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Stocker94z
04-28-2012, 12:13 PM
I know you guys have seen those 200k+ mile cars that say their all original and think bs. Well my dad has a 99 Sierra with 215xxx miles and it is al original. It runs amazing, it has had only 2 sets of shocks, 4 tranny services(every 50k) oil changes, a few air filters, 1 set of brakes, 2 sets of tires(on it's 3rd), and 1 battery. That's it, everything else is original and in perfect working condition. Seats are power leather, leather is NOT cracked or excessively worn either, power part still works and the heated part will melt your asshairs together. The only issue right now is one of the cats is bad, all the honeycomb stuff inside broke up so it throws a cel for that and one bedside is rusty. The 4wd works perfect, tranny shifts awesome. And it is used as a truck, he's pulled 3/4 ton turf stuff. Everything from 5-10k pound loads. Last summer we drove from St. Louis Missouri to Lake Havasu Arizona(BEAUTIFUL drive, I'd do it again in a heartbeat) to go to the Advantage Boat plant to pick up a 27' Victory. And I'm unsure of the weight of the boat/trailer but I know it was close to 9k. It pulled it fantastic through the hills and everything. It didn't skip a beat. Anyone else think this is odd a truck with this many miles runs as good as it does and almost everything is original? I thought so. Especially when my step brother's 05 F-150 is on it's second set of brakes at 90k miles and 2nd set of tires. The motor has random ticks and such. The 5.3 in my dad's truck is very solid and sound. A/C blows ice cold and everything still. And we have an 09 Pontiac G6 with almost 90k with 1 set of tires 1 air filter and 1 set of brakes and that's it. Except oil changes. I've heard a lot of stories of people always having issues with GM stuff. Yet with good maintenance we've had EXCELLANT expierences with them. What do you guys think?


'WHEELS'
04-28-2012, 12:31 PM
I think the simplicity of the SBC helps out a lot in the durability department. Basic overhead valve setup.

The jeep 4.0 is the same design and those too are known to dip well into the 200-300k range. I'm at 200k now.

Gotta love old tried and true technology.

'WHEELS'
04-28-2012, 12:34 PM
Can't edit posts on my phone :( forgot to ask; has your dad owned the truck it's whole life?


Marc3.4V6
04-28-2012, 03:18 PM
Why does it seem like trucks always last longer with less problems?

matt224
04-28-2012, 04:20 PM
Because a truck is made to do work, and most trucks dont end up doing that much work in their life.

7998
04-28-2012, 04:32 PM
My 1997 C2500 had 357,000 miles on the original drivetrain when I got rid of it.

180ls1
04-28-2012, 04:40 PM
Sure there are some good ones put together for any automaker but that is just one person and one example. Talk the the vast majority of GM and they wont say the same. Now talk to the vast majority of Toyota owners and they will probably have similar stories to yours.

Wile E's 98
04-28-2012, 08:50 PM
I had a 2000 model 2500 (old body style) truck. It ran like a clock when I sold it with 211000 on it. Only maintnance things did I have to put a wrench too it. I've got an 07 that has more problems than I can count on my hands. Only has 70000 on it.

1ltcap
04-28-2012, 08:58 PM
I know you guys have seen those 200k+ mile cars that say their all original and think bs. Well my dad has a 99 Sierra with 215xxx miles and it is al original. It runs amazing, it has had only 2 sets of shocks, 4 tranny services(every 50k) oil changes, a few air filters, 1 set of brakes, 2 sets of tires(on it's 3rd), and 1 battery. That's it, everything else is original and in perfect working condition. Seats are power leather, leather is NOT cracked or excessively worn either, power part still works and the heated part will melt your asshairs together. The only issue right now is one of the cats is bad, all the honeycomb stuff inside broke up so it throws a cel for that and one bedside is rusty. The 4wd works perfect, tranny shifts awesome. And it is used as a truck, he's pulled 3/4 ton turf stuff. Everything from 5-10k pound loads. Last summer we drove from St. Louis Missouri to Lake Havasu Arizona(BEAUTIFUL drive, I'd do it again in a heartbeat) to go to the Advantage Boat plant to pick up a 27' Victory. And I'm unsure of the weight of the boat/trailer but I know it was close to 9k. It pulled it fantastic through the hills and everything. It didn't skip a beat. Anyone else think this is odd a truck with this many miles runs as good as it does and almost everything is original? I thought so. Especially when my step brother's 05 F-150 is on it's second set of brakes at 90k miles and 2nd set of tires. The motor has random ticks and such. The 5.3 in my dad's truck is very solid and sound. A/C blows ice cold and everything still. And we have an 09 Pontiac G6 with almost 90k with 1 set of tires 1 air filter and 1 set of brakes and that's it. Except oil changes. I've heard a lot of stories of people always having issues with GM stuff. Yet with good maintenance we've had EXCELLANT expierences with them. What do you guys think?

i had a customer with a camry with 624k miles. a friend with a awd gmc minivan with 680k, a buick with 324k

ULTIMATEORANGESS
04-28-2012, 09:00 PM
where the big three have dominated is the full size truck segment. if they'd just put that effort into everything they designed. :judge:

autogeek23
04-28-2012, 09:00 PM
i think its all about the owner, ok well maybe 50/50 owner and manufacturer. cause if ppl beat on their cars and/or dont maintain them. they become unreliable.

TransAmWS.6
04-28-2012, 09:08 PM
My parents have a Black '04 Z71 Suburban that they bought new, we are in 2012 and it's sitting at 142k, always garaged, not all of those are easy miles, but it's a truck. That thing is still in great condition, looks good, rides good, I think it's a nice ride, but I'll be honest, that thing is a piece of shit. Truck is on it's second motor and it also has a lot of electrical issues and other annoying quality related problems. '96 Tahoe they had before it was very similar reliability wise.

However, the Toyota FJ Cruiser we bought in '08 on the other hand has 82k on it now and has not missed a beat, just been doing the normal maintenance and it's had no problems, our Chevy's were starting to fall apart at that point.

1ltcap
04-29-2012, 12:09 AM
my earlier post mentioned customer cars.....i personally have an 85 e-350 on the original engine, but 2nd trans, with about 335k. i had a 74 chevy pickup that had about 320k on it when i sold it about 8 years ago.
my 95 taurus has 135k on everything original, and my 97 dakota has 128k on it, but on the 2nd rear, getting ready to be rebuilt again.

david068513
04-29-2012, 12:19 AM
Ok, I had a 07 crew cab 5.3 truck. Bought it new with 3 miles on it. traded it in 6 months ago with 420k miles on it. Stock everything but tires and one transmission. changed it out at 250k. It had the stock battery, etc. NOTHING was changed but the tires and Oil. NOTHING. It was my work truck and it lasted because I took care of it. It also towed my car from South FL to North GA and towed a few boats and jetski's around. traded it in on another 2011 crew cab 5.3 that now has 65k miles on it.


I also have a 2000 blazer with 227k miles with stock motor, trans, rear, etc. Just change oil etc.

UAE_Z28
04-29-2012, 12:25 AM
I know a friend who has around 210k miles on his Tahoe Z71, he has a lead foot ( never took it anywhere without going WOT) , and he's never done anything but oil change/brake pads. That's reliable IMO.

AronZ28
04-29-2012, 02:57 AM
where the big three have dominated is the full size truck segment. if they'd just put that effort into everything they designed. :judge:

This. Although Ford and GM's cars have come a LONG LONG LONG way in the past 5 years. Some of them were good cars(anything GM with the 3800 v6), others were total crap. I guess my main point is you can go buy any used Honda or Toyota and get good service out of it. With the big 3 you need to do your research and make sure you don't buy one of their turd models.

Of course the average person just goes out and buys whatever, then when their Ford Tempo is a POS they swear off domestics for life.

MurderedOut
04-29-2012, 03:37 AM
03 Sierra 1500 2wd step side here. bought new off the delivery truck. Currently at 107,000 or so. A couple months ago i chanced the transmission fluid, rear end fluid, plugs, wires, fuel filter, front and rear pads, belts, and cleaned the k&n. Other than that before 100,000 i did nothing put tires on and oil changes. Im on my 3rd set now. I also had to have the speedometer rebuilt.

The front pads still had 25% and the rear about 40%. I went ahead and changed them just because. The shocks still work great, no bounce.

Great truck and its everything i need in a daily driver, i wouldn't trade it for a new one. But id drive a new one over it. lol

Ellsworth
04-29-2012, 03:44 AM
My 99 Z71 has 236k on the original motor/tranny and runs like a top :cheers:

Daily driven, and as you can tell by my signature I like to have fun in it once and a while

Tainted
04-29-2012, 08:33 AM
Ha, in my trans am one day I went outside, started it up and clink clank bang. Put a rod through my block, on start up.

BrntWS6
04-29-2012, 08:46 AM
+1 on GM trucks...my 2006 Express 2500 has 92k on it and not a single problem except normal maintenance. My wifes 2005 Equinox at about the same mileage had a list of things go wrong as long as my arm, including a blown head gasket. Both were bought new and treated well.

Marc3.4V6
04-29-2012, 10:08 AM
Ha, in my trans am one day I went outside, started it up and clink clank bang. Put a rod through my block, on start up.
LS1? Damn, my next DD is going to be an LS1. After all thats happened, if that had happened to me, I'd just have to quit.......you know, at least for a week or two. :burn:

1ltcap
04-29-2012, 12:19 PM
This. Although Ford and GM's cars have come a LONG LONG LONG way in the past 5 years. Some of them were good cars(anything GM with the 3800 v6), others were total crap. I guess my main point is you can go buy any used Honda or Toyota and get good service out of it. With the big 3 you need to do your research and make sure you don't buy one of their turd models.

Of course the average person just goes out and buys whatever, then when their Ford Tempo is a POS they swear off domestics for life.

had a customer with an 04 accord......at 63k miles, it wiped out the exhaust cam, timing chain, tensioners, and guides.

smg267
04-29-2012, 04:57 PM
Knock on wood! my 01 grand prix bought new: 180k only thing replaced was front suspension at 165k. I drive that like a grandma.

My z/28: 2nd engine,3rd clutch, 3rd rear at 107k.

My fathers 02 ws6 bought new: 220k daily driver, 2 water pumps both at 100k intervals, suspension at 180k. Only big repair was when pilot bearing went and took the trans at 120k.

If you don't beat the shit out of them, they will last!

jrob56
04-29-2012, 05:23 PM
My family and I have had a lot of cars, domestics mostly a couple imports and all have been great with maintenance.

All the ones in my sig I had and while I owned them were amazing. Still in contact with people I sold them too and still no real issues I know of. Plus my 95 taurus with 185k miles Ive had for eight years, my dads 01 f150 with 285k miles since new. With a little care and maintenance I think any car will last. The only people I know with problems personally dont take care of their cars.

Pipeless416
04-29-2012, 10:29 PM
some of you guys are comparing reliability based on tire and brake longevity...? really...? :rolleyes:

JUSTINSWS6
04-29-2012, 10:35 PM
Wok truck has 267000 and go muddin in it

CaptainDirtymax
04-30-2012, 12:35 AM
Aurora, 204k miles. replaced the HG's @ 186k. averaging about 70-100 miles a day with it and 24-26mpg too.

Silverado is at 322k. only had one set of injectors @ 260k miles (not bad for an LB7).

93M6Formula
04-30-2012, 12:14 PM
I agree that most vehicles will last well into 300K if well taken care of, but I've also seen some in that range that have been beaten like a redheaded stepchild. There's a lot of factors that can play into the reliability of a vehicle.

Here's a few examples of high mileage GM's my family has owned.

I had a 93 Jimmy that I bought for $150... drove it with rod knock for 2 straight years and it had 321K when the rod went flying through the block. That thing had one hell of a rough life too, being burried in mud multiple times, seen 3ft of air a few times only ever changed oil, and replaced a balljoint that broke.

My family(dad, great grandpa, uncles, etc) owned a business that required full size chevy/GMC vans for their operation. 360 mile round trips 7 days a week.
Van1: 1989 GMC rally stx full size van 350/700r4. Took out countless deer along a 7 year time frame, been layed over in a ditch. etc etc. Has 564K on the original motor absolutely never touched but has had 3 trannies.
Van2: 1988 Chevy Sportvan 350/700r4. At least 3 deer encounters, 1st motor went 251K, 2nd went another 179K till it spun a bearing. Original trans.
Van3: 1983 Chevy Beauville van 6.2 diesel/700r4 went 341K on original everything until a rod bent.
Van4: 1992 Chevy Sportvan 4.3L/700r4 362K until the motor blew, all original.
Van5: 1995 Chevy Van 350/4L60E 290K till it was rolled in a ditch.

I could honestly go on forever, my family has ran that business for over 30+ years using only chevy/GMC full size vans and have cleared 600K on the odometer in a few vans. i wont bore you guys with the other 20+ vans owned. They were used and far exceeded what they were built for in some cases.

cambirdracing
04-30-2012, 12:28 PM
94 3.4 Firebird with 311k. One tranny, one set of injectors, one p/s pump and rack, one set of shocks, who knows how many brake jobs, one timing chain, one water pump, still on the original long block and still gets 27 on the highway.

Z Fury
04-30-2012, 01:34 PM
I've still got my '94 Silverado Blazer with 209K on it. Original engine, original transmission. The truck has seen better days, but starts right up on the coldest days with no complaints. It is starting to leak oil due to the amazingly shitty gaskets that were used back in the day, but I'll get it all fixed up. If/when this engine finally dies, I'll either drop in a fresh 350TBI or convert to a 5.3 LS engine, depending on budget at the time.

I'll echo what others have said - how a person maintains their vehicle counts heavily when you look at reliability.

Stocker94z
04-30-2012, 11:01 PM
Can't edit posts on my phone :( forgot to ask; has your dad owned the truck it's whole life? He bought it totalled in 2000, it had like 13k on it. He put a bed side, 2 rims, door and a cab corner on it, that's why only one bed side is rusty, he undercoated the whole one side he replaced. And I forgot to add, I beat a 5.4 F-150 the other day and a 1st gen Tibouron :burn: haha.

mjs1012
05-02-2012, 05:15 AM
Iv had 3 gm vehicles that seemed to be pretty good. My first Camaro (92) had the boat anchor 305 which I beat the shit out of ran great with 140k before i totaled it. My s10 had the 4.3 which was a strong little motor had 155k and all I replaced in the 2 years I owned it was a water pump and clutch. And my 98 had 228k on the original engine that ran like a top when I pulled it out.

BanditTA
05-02-2012, 07:50 AM
My 94 S10 has 398,000 and I just rebuilt the transmission - it was all original up until now. Engine was all original until recently when I pulled it to stuff a cam in it and do a valve job on the heads, the bottom end is still 100% stock.

I use synthetic oil and it doesn't use a drop. All I've even done - besides modifying it - are brakes and wheel bearings, I usually get about 100k out of wheel bearings running a 33" tire too. I've also replaced the spider injector as it usually fails around 140k - the plastic lines dry rott.

My 06 HHR has 150k on and you'd never guess it. All I've done to it were wheel bearings, control bushings (vertical ones) and brakes.

Dope
05-02-2012, 11:58 AM
I have a 2000 Silverado with 150k and my father has a 2000 S10 with 200k and they've both been amazing. Normal wear items sure. Biggest issue at this point is simply rust. Can't complain, that's for sure.

Dope

deft
05-03-2012, 11:26 AM
RE: reliability--I might argue GM is more reliable than most German manufacturers, and if I'm wrong....it's still cheaper to fix.

RedRocketZ28
05-03-2012, 11:48 AM
My parents have a 02 Trailblazer with the I6 in it with just under 180k miles on it. Still pulls the boat just fine and drives perfect. Transmission shifts well and the motor sounds and runs great.

The highest mileage car I had was a 94 S10 4 cyl that I sold for $600 3 years ago and at the time it had 174k on it. Not sure if it is still running or not.

I have had always had good luck with GM vehicles. I have had 4 Fbodys, 3 S10 Blazers (still have a 97), a Trailblazer, S10 pickup, and Regal GS. Out of all of them, I spent the most on my 2000 SS that needed a tranny rebuild (M6) at 23k miles. I wasn't easy on it by any means though.

Like has been mentioned previously, reliability heavily relies on how well the vehicles are taken care of.

JD_AMG
05-03-2012, 04:07 PM
Ha, in my trans am one day I went outside, started it up and clink clank bang. Put a rod through my block, on start up.

Wasn't that an LS1 you swapped from a junkyard?

Sneakyws6
05-03-2012, 08:34 PM
My dad seems to have everyone beat so far.

1996 GMC Yukon 4x4
425000+

So far only has had:

Transmission rebuilt
Replaced the main bearings

Other than that it has only had regular maintenance items. It is worn but runs great, still gets 16mpg average. He prefers to drive it over his 2005 GMC Sierra Duramax 4x4 to this day.

SVTconfused
05-03-2012, 08:39 PM
had a customer stop in one day in a Single cab long bed 5.0 f150... had 573k on it and claimed it was all original minus normal repairs...

only gripe i got with GM trucks is there damn front wheel hubs... in the last month our shop has changed 23...

FinallymyT/A
05-06-2012, 04:41 PM
1. My '93 Suburban had 270K+ on it before I sold it. (350ci SBC TBI)

2. My '99 Buick Regal LS has 160K and counting... (3.8L Series II V6)

Two of the most reliable engines GM has ever made.