Street Racing & Kill Stories - 06 GSXR 600 v 03 C5Z N20
FirebirdTransAm
05-01-2012, 07:24 PM
03 Z06: 233/239 cam & 100 shot
06 GSXR 600: slip on, sprocket, tune
Eclipse: 61, E85, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_c6Zm1W6oI&feature=player_embedded
BM6GTO
05-01-2012, 08:19 PM
03 Z06: 233/239 cam & 100 shot
06 GSXR 600: slip on, sprocket, tune
Eclipse: 61, E85, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_c6Zm1W6oI&feature=player_embedded
Sick races, that eclipse must be making some good power?
ScreaminRedZ
05-01-2012, 09:29 PM
Good races!
Beans
05-01-2012, 10:58 PM
Rider needs a little more practice at roll racing.
Judging by how clearly you can hear the honks/yells, these were approx 40 rolls. Bike was late on the hit for 2 of the 3 races, started in 2nd gear, didn't seem to tuck fully, didn't powershift, and ran into the limiter.
Consider setting and turning the shift light on also. It's pointless during the day because it's tough to see, but helpful at night. Half the time i forget it because you have to turn it on every time you start the bike, at least on my GSXR you do.
You can definitely pull the Z06, and probably give the eclipse a hard time too with a little more practice. :thumb:
punishmentcycle
05-02-2012, 12:21 PM
dont let out of that throttle on that bike!!!!! your losing crazy ground by moving ur wrist so far
evangto87
05-02-2012, 12:27 PM
i was actually expecting a lot more from the Z. With a cam, full exhaust, and a 100 shot (i assume full exhaust because of that cam), you should be crossing the 130mph trap boundary no problem. I would expect the Z to pull an ace on that r6... nevermind a newer rider. But good races none the less.
R6cowboy
05-02-2012, 12:41 PM
Cool vid.
OP, is that you on the bike?
FirebirdTransAm
05-02-2012, 12:44 PM
No, not my bike and he is an experienced rider but i don't know much about riding. The runs are at 50mph not 40mph btw.
The eclipse is fast, pulled the Z by a couple cars from a 50mph roll.
evangto87
05-02-2012, 12:47 PM
No, not my bike and he is an experienced rider but i don't know much about riding. The runs are at 50mph not 40mph btw.
The eclipse is fast, pulled the Z by a couple cars from a 50mph roll.
have the z and eclipse tracked it up yet?
FirebirdTransAm
05-02-2012, 01:09 PM
have the z and eclipse tracked it up yet?
Eclispe no, he won't. The Z went 12.0@127 on a smaller shot 2.3 60' lol.
evangto87
05-02-2012, 01:26 PM
Eclispe no, he won't. The Z went 12.0@127 on a smaller shot 2.3 60' lol.
lol nice. Thats exactly my point though. O potential 130mph car should pull an r6 pretty hard on the roll. Even at first then start leaving up top. Weirdness i tell ya...
Johnnystock
05-02-2012, 02:37 PM
Very nice race. That Z06 has a nice setup!! Well the eclipse is even stronger! I agree the rider was sleeping on the beep though.
R6cowboy
05-02-2012, 04:15 PM
i was actually expecting a lot more from the Z. With a cam, full exhaust, and a 100 shot (i assume full exhaust because of that cam), you should be crossing the 130mph trap boundary no problem. I would expect the Z to pull an ace on that r6... nevermind a newer rider. But good races none the less.
lol nice. Thats exactly my point though. O potential 130mph car should pull an r6 pretty hard on the roll. Even at first then start leaving up top. Weirdness i tell ya...
Not that it really matters but the bike in this thread is a GSXR 600. And a Vette that traps 127mph isn't going to pull "hard" on a well ridden '06 GSXR 600.
NOLAG05
05-02-2012, 06:42 PM
where is all this takin place when i come to Disney World...lol.
good runs!
38394Z28
05-02-2012, 06:59 PM
nice videos...that 600 rider is better than all the riders up here in Wisconsin! lol I Haven't lost to a 600 in my slow turd! Actually, the riders are so bad here, my roommate in is 02 WS6 w/ lid and tune beat an 06 GSXR600 from a 40 roll! haha
Anyways, I'm with the others...the Z06 has a nice set up on it. What kinda of mph does a 600 run with those mods? Is it north of 130?
ScreaminRedZ
05-02-2012, 07:09 PM
What kinda of mph does a 600 run with those mods? Is it north of 130?
Probably not in general, but from a 1st gear roll it's a different game with those bikes.
Z06Ryan
05-02-2012, 07:41 PM
I am the owner of the Z06. It was just some fun runs. The first run I wasnt sure if he could hear me yelling the count down so I gave him the hit and had to shut it down due to a car coming up in my lane. Second run we left pretty much at the same time. There was a vehicle broke down on my side of the road so I had to let out just as I started pulling pretty good. Seems like my car wakes up in 4th. But it was all just for fun. I had never ran a bike before so I wanted to see how it would go. From what I have seen the 06+ 600's with filter, pipe, and -1 +2 usually trap in the 126-128 range.
Beans
05-02-2012, 07:57 PM
I am the owner of the Z06. It was just some fun runs. The first run I wasnt sure if he could hear me yelling the count down so I gave him the hit and had to shut it down due to a car coming up in my lane. Second run we left pretty much at the same time. There was a vehicle broke down on my side of the road so I had to let out just as I started pulling pretty good. Seems like my car wakes up in 4th. But it was all just for fun. I had never ran a bike before so I wanted to see how it would go. From what I have seen the 06+ 600's with filter, pipe, and -1 +2 usually trap in the 126-128 range.
It's really not that simple though. The bike gains a lot less MPH on the back half than a car that traps the same, so you can't compare traps between bikes and cars like you can between cars. A well ridden stock 600 will pull a car that traps 130 pretty hard from a first gear roll. From 55+ where the bike is in second gear it's a very close race and the car will eventually pull up top. A stock 600 will trap 125-129 depending on the model, rider, DA, etc. From a 40 roll it doesn't look anything like the trap speeds indicate. From a 60 roll it'll be very close.
It takes a 135mph car to beat a 600 with a rider on it from 40mph, unless passing the bike at 140+ when it's out of steam counts as a win.
evangto87
05-02-2012, 11:29 PM
Not that it really matters but the bike in this thread is a GSXR 600. And a Vette that traps 127mph isn't going to pull "hard" on a well ridden '06 GSXR 600.
not sure where i got r6 from
R6cowboy
05-03-2012, 02:14 AM
It's really not that simple though. The bike gains a lot less MPH on the back half than a car that traps the same, so you can't compare traps between bikes and cars like you can between cars. A well ridden stock 600 will pull a car that traps 130 pretty hard from a first gear roll. From 55+ where the bike is in second gear it's a very close race and the car will eventually pull up top. A stock 600 will trap 125-129 depending on the model, rider, DA, etc. From a 40 roll it doesn't look anything like the trap speeds indicate. From a 60 roll it'll be very close.
Stock trapping 125-129, in perfect conditions I guess...??
Beans
05-03-2012, 03:59 AM
Stock trapping 125-129, in perfect conditions I guess...??
Nah that's pretty real world.
PSM trapped 127 on a stock 2007 GSXR-600 in normal air, nothing spectacular, and he's nowhere near magazine rider weight.
I trapped 122 on a ZZR600 with only a jetting change (maybe 3hp) and i'm not especially light either. Had good air, but being only a few mph off that trap speed with about 12hp-14hp less than a GSXR, R6, ZX6R, etc shows that 126+ is pretty easy to achieve for real world rider weight/conditions.
PewterScreaminMach
05-03-2012, 02:37 PM
Stock trapping 125-129, in perfect conditions I guess...??
As Beans said, I trapped 127 at LVD (and almost 104 in the 1/8), which is a less than stellar track. In fact, I trapped 126 multiple times at LVD in a +2000 DA, and that was while I was still learning (hell, I'm still learning and improving as I've only been to the strip 3 times on a bike - I just learn quickly :D).
"Perfect conditions" down at a better track like the ones in NJ would yield more impressive results. I don't doubt I could hit 130 on a cold day at Atco, but until I do, I guess we'll never know. I plan on going down end of this year when the weather's cold just to find out.
And this was on my bone stock 2007 GSXR 600. I weigh about 180-185 in full gear. My bike is the same "model year" as the 2006 from the OP's video, only I'm stock (06 and 07 GSXR 600's were the same bike).
KingKiller
05-03-2012, 11:43 PM
03 Z06: 233/239 cam & 100 shot
06 GSXR 600: slip on, sprocket, tune
Eclipse: 61, E85, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_c6Zm1W6oI&feature=player_embedded
god that Z is sexy...I need one with boost in a bad way
KingKiller
05-03-2012, 11:52 PM
lol nice. Thats exactly my point though. O potential 130mph car should pull an r6 pretty hard on the roll. Even at first then start leaving up top. Weirdness i tell ya...
driver's race, just like you saw in the video. especially considering how inconsistent nitrous can be. one and one it looked like in the video? sounds about right
Not that it really matters but the bike in this thread is a GSXR 600. And a Vette that traps 127mph isn't going to pull "hard" on a well ridden '06 GSXR 600.
I concur, especially if the 600 has some work done. it's no 1000, but it's still very fast, just needs a better rider to get more out of it
It's really not that simple though. The bike gains a lot less MPH on the back half than a car that traps the same, so you can't compare traps between bikes and cars like you can between cars. A well ridden stock 600 will pull a car that traps 130 pretty hard from a first gear roll. From 55+ where the bike is in second gear it's a very close race and the car will eventually pull up top. A stock 600 will trap 125-129 depending on the model, rider, DA, etc. From a 40 roll it doesn't look anything like the trap speeds indicate. From a 60 roll it'll be very close.
It takes a 135mph car to beat a 600 with a rider on it from 40mph, unless passing the bike at 140+ when it's out of steam counts as a win.
40 is a funny spot cause most fast street cars would be shifting into second about there, but if you start off in second at 40 you're gonna be soft...I'd love to do something like a 25 or 30 roll in the cobra with anything on the road once it's back together. I'll use the boost controller to keep the boost down in 1st, raise it up in 2nd, and full blast in third. should be pretty epic on the street haha
PewterScreaminMach
05-04-2012, 03:42 PM
Thought it was relevant that the bike rider made these posts on another forum in his thread with the video:
I started in 2nd gear. Probably should've started in 1st but I'm not experienced with pulling the front wheel up at all lol.
This was the first time I've ever raced on a bike so I definitely have a long ways to go and yes my shifting is lazy as hell right now.
MTN_Z
05-04-2012, 04:54 PM
Thought it was relevant that the bike rider made these posts on another forum in his thread with the video:
This is the reality in most cases. Car guys believe a rider to be experienced based on ownership and perceived abilities, but bike riders mostly don't know what they are doing. Hence, bolt on F-bodies beating 600s. I will tell you, I raced a CBR600F4 back when I first got my car in 99 so the bike was probably brand new too. We would race from 50 and I would try to get the jump on him. He would always end up pulling away without a problem as soon as that thing was spun up, and those are quite a bit slower than a new 600.
Bikes are extremely rider dependent.
First time ever down the strip on the ZX6 in sig, when it was stock, was only an 11.3 @ 122mph but I had no track experience on a bike. Magazines were getting 10.7s so I was pretty bummed by being half a second slower on the same bike and in great air. Three years and a few bolt-ons later by the end of the day trapped 131, stock height/wheelbase with the front strapped. Super shitty 1.9 60'. -1/+2 sprockets, X-TRE, tuned PCIII, BMC race filter, secondaries pulled, no cat, GP pipe, etc. Weigh ~165lbs, DA was ~150...blessed by two ~sea level tracks within an hour and a half of me...
Terribly difficult to launch a stock wheelbase bike at the track, I have been riding over 10 years and it was still a PITA to find the line between yanking the front or bogging. 600s make shit torque so the launch is especially difficult.
New ones are a lot faster, doing close to my modded times stock.
R6cowboy
05-05-2012, 11:09 AM
Nah that's pretty real world.
PSM trapped 127 on a stock 2007 GSXR-600 in normal air, nothing spectacular, and he's nowhere near magazine rider weight.
I trapped 122 on a ZZR600 with only a jetting change (maybe 3hp) and i'm not especially light either. Had good air, but being only a few mph off that trap speed with about 12hp-14hp less than a GSXR, R6, ZX6R, etc shows that 126+ is pretty easy to achieve for real world rider weight/conditions.
As Beans said, I trapped 127 at LVD (and almost 104 in the 1/8), which is a less than stellar track. In fact, I trapped 126 multiple times at LVD in a +2000 DA, and that was while I was still learning (hell, I'm still learning and improving as I've only been to the strip 3 times on a bike - I just learn quickly :D).
"Perfect conditions" down at a better track like the ones in NJ would yield more impressive results. I don't doubt I could hit 130 on a cold day at Atco, but until I do, I guess we'll never know. I plan on going down end of this year when the weather's cold just to find out.
And this was on my bone stock 2007 GSXR 600. I weigh about 180-185 in full gear. My bike is the same "model year" as the 2006 from the OP's video, only I'm stock (06 and 07 GSXR 600's were the same bike).
Right on. At the time I didn't take into consideration you gents are out east which usually results in better track times then here in northern IL. It's believable for a 600cc to normally get a few more 1/4 mile mph out on the east coast then in my neck-of-the-woods.