Drag Racing Tech - Wheelstand oilpan baffling

So my car has a tendency to stand up on the rear wheels when launching (currently doing low 1.3x 60') and it caught up to me this week when I found a munched main bearing due to oil starvation.

I was looking at http://http://www.improvedracing.com/oil-pan-baffles/ls1-camaro-firebird-body-racing-oil-pan-baffle-p-30.html as a fix to my problem, but the only actual reviews i found are for road racers. Any of you faster guys using this? (doing Wheelstands and or running the 60' in my range) I don't really have the budget for a dry sump setup and this car is driven often around town and for trips so an accusump is not really something I want to deal with... Will this baffle setup be enough for me? Thanks in advance for the info!

quick search

http://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-tech/1200956-new-trap-door-oil-pan-baffle-drag-racing.html

http://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-induction/1460529-can-anyone-confirm-mast-oilpan-fixes-oil-starvation-issues-fbodies-2.html

quick search

http://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-tech/1200956-new-trap-door-oil-pan-baffle-drag-racing.html

http://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-induction/1460529-can-anyone-confirm-mast-oilpan-fixes-oil-starvation-issues-fbodies-2.html

I'm quite aware of how the search function works. The first topic was posted by the seller of the product, and nobody that actually drag races with a fast car gave insight to it. The 2nd topic has a bunch of people saying they might use e product, but none have given a review. So my question still is not answered by your quick search. thanks for the effort though.

I'm interested in members that actually have cars running with this product (at the level I am talking about) to answer this, not people that assumed I didn't do a simple search that don't have any actual new info for me.

quick search

http://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-tech/1200956-new-trap-door-oil-pan-baffle-drag-racing.html

http://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-induction/1460529-can-anyone-confirm-mast-oilpan-fixes-oil-starvation-issues-fbodies-2.html

You are a wealth of information. A beacon of knowledge, I'd like to subscribe to your news letter.

Maybe fix the wheel stand issue by limiting how high the front goes ?

Maybe fix the wheel stand issue by limiting how high the front goes ?

Not really an option. I'm not running wheelie bars on my street car. And anyways I will be doing 1.2x 60s soon so if it starves on wheelies, it will starve on launches. Also I'm not gonna risk my motor by hoping the car doesn't wheelie everytime I try to launch hard.

The car isn't getting the front end up from a hard transbrake hit anyways, it powers the front end up. Not really possible to limit that.

So from the lack of responses, I'm guessing nobody is using these setups?

My brother just put one of those baffles in his car that cuts low 1.30 60 foots, and it looks like it should control the oil pretty well, but it hasnt been run yet.

here is a thread where a lot of people are talking about them
http://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-tech/1486573-looseing-oil-pressure-launch.html

So my car has a tendency to stand up on the rear wheels when launching (currently doing low 1.3x 60') and it caught up to me this week when I found a munched main bearing due to oil starvation.

I was looking at http://http://www.improvedracing.com/oil-pan-baffles/ls1-camaro-firebird-body-racing-oil-pan-baffle-p-30.html as a fix to my problem, but the only actual reviews i found are for road racers. Any of you faster guys using this? (doing Wheelstands and or running the 60' in my range) I don't really have the budget for a dry sump setup and this car is driven often around town and for trips so an accusump is not really something I want to deal with... Will this baffle setup be enough for me? Thanks in advance for the info!

I 60 ft in the 1.3x range and have been known to do a wheel stand or two. If I am not shifting into 2nd gear looking at the sky, I am not very happy camper. :cool:

I have never used the products above. I have asked Erik & Madman about it and they both said I didn't need it.

We have only had 1 time in 10 years that we had a main bearing problem. I run the stock oil pan but I do run 6 qts of oil in her.

Coach

I 60 ft in the 1.3x range and have been known to do wheel stands or two. If I am not shifting into 2nd gear looking at the sky, I am not very happy camper. :cool:

I have never used the products above. I have asked Erik & Madman about it and they both said I didn't need it.

We have only had 1 time in 10 years that we had a main bearing problem. I run the stock oil pan but I do run 6 qts of oil in her.

Coach

I have heard running extra oil helps. I always ran normal oil level so that might be my issue. No foaming issues from the extra oil in the system?

Been doing this for 10 years with an average of 300 passes a year with no foaming issue.:burn:

Coach

You can if you are worried about it plumb an accusump into the car as well, which will help if the pickup does somehow get uncovered... I'd do that before anything else, as that's for sure, going to keep the motor oiled if the pickup does lose pressure.

Couple people on here have set them up without a dry sump as well, the info on how to plumb it is available, I'd link it but I can't do that from my Iphone.

98Z28Cobrakiller put one on his car, it cuts low 1.3x 60's, maybe send him a PM.

You can if you are worried about it plumb an accusump into the car as well, which will help if the pickup does somehow get uncovered... I'd do that before anything else, as that's for sure, going to keep the motor oiled if the pickup does lose pressure.

Couple people on here have set them up without a dry sump as well, the info on how to plumb it is available, I'd link it but I can't do that from my Iphone.

Looked into those, I will be doing one as well as whatever I decide to do with the pan setup

studdering is using the improved racing baffle in his car as well. I just opted to get a moroso oil pan and call it good. Yea it was some money but its a nice piece and a new oil pan is a lot cheaper than a new motor IMO.

studdering is using the improved racing baffle in his car as well. I just opted to get a moroso oil pan and call it good. Yea it was some money but its a nice piece and a new oil pan is a lot cheaper than a new motor IMO.

you got any pictures on how you relocated your filter?

only pic i have of my relocated filter.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e73/mahogoff/fab.jpg

Crappy cell pics is all I got. The angles are kinda bad too but you get the point. Its mounted where the cruise control used to be.

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r213/transam69230/photobucket-2371-1336177426124.jpg

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r213/transam69230/photobucket-8491-1336177376438.jpg

Crappy cell pics is all I got. The angles are kinda bad too but you get the point. Its mounted where the cruise control used to be.

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r213/transam69230/photobucket-2371-1336177426124.jpg

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r213/transam69230/photobucket-8491-1336177376438.jpg

How many feet of hose did you use?

How about relocating the pick to the rear of the sump, rather than basically the middle where it is now?
If the issue with a hard launch, is oil sloshing to the rear, and up the back of the pan/block, then putting the pickup where the oil is being transferred to, would only make sense to me.

I'm fixing To cut apart a basically useless truck pan, and rework it for my car, with kickouts, internal baffling, and all that jazz. I'm only pulling 1.5 60's for now, but that's subject to change.

If you locate the pickup to the back and don't kill the engine (no more engine rotation at all) at the end of a run the oil will slosh forward, and you may lose the pickup's coverage at that point.

Accusump, put one on and just call it a day... no more dry startup's, and no concern's of losing oil pressure anywhere in the run, at the hit, or on the brakes at the top end.

ya I have raced the car yet, just street cursing. But I put the improved racing one on my car, I really like it for what it is. I looked at other setups, and this worked best for me. But the other day on YB somone said moroso in coming out with the pan with the stock filter mount. FYI


This thread I did has the install, and lots of pics on info on the imporved racing, and other setups

http://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-tech/1486573-looseing-oil-pressure-launch.html?highlight=oil

Do you think the decelerating force (braking) is going to be as great, or greater than the accelerating force of a car pulling 1.3 60's?
I myself, never hammer the brakes right as I cross the line, I'll steadily apply them for 2 seconds, then back off a little and get back on them, but It never throws Me forward nearly as hard as it pushes me back on the launch.
With an auto tranny car, I can somewhat see the concern here. On a stickshift, idk. Most people I see click it to neutral after a run when they slow down. The pan will have significantly more oil in it at idle speed than 6k+

Do you think the decelerating force (braking) is going to be as great, or greater than the accelerating force of a car pulling 1.3 60's?
I myself, never hammer the brakes right as I cross the line, I'll steadily apply them for 2 seconds, then back off a little and get back on them, but It never throws Me forward nearly as hard as it pushes me back on the launch.
With an auto tranny car, I can somewhat see the concern here. On a stickshift, idk. Most people I see click it to neutral after a run when they slow down. The pan will have significantly more oil in it at idle speed than 6k+


Even if you did lose a little on the decel, I'd rather lose oil pressure at a low rpm rather than at redline......

It's not going to be as dramatic on decel as it is leaving the line, but it's a longer period of time that the oil is being forced forward.....

I'd just put a moroso pan on, and plumb an accusump into the oil filter lines, that's about the best you can do short of a dry sump.

It's not going to be as dramatic on decel as it is leaving the line, but it's a longer period of time that the oil is being forced forward.....

I'd just put a moroso pan on, and plumb an accusump into the oil filter lines, that's about the best you can do short of a dry sump.
Got any pictures of your pan and filter relocation set-up.

I relocated mine to the back. dont figure I'll have to many issues considering olders sbc's have been that way forever.

Ws I don't.... C all the ls stuff is gone, going to a bbc. Nothing tonitvrwalky, simple moroso pan, oil filter relocation kit, accusing on the pressure side of the filter, opened with the accu sump solenoid.

Just watched the video Studderin' posted...
I wonder if it's not the pickup thats coming uncovered as much as it "could be" just the G-force of the launch with the heavy oil in the large tube going to the pump ?
Kind of like the old school fuel pump issues moving gas all the way to the front of the car on launch ???