alchy/meth injected lt1 ? has it been done anyone running one
05-03-2012, 12:38 PM
#1
alchy/meth injected lt1 ? has it been done anyone running one just wondering if anyone has or what never heard of it i thinking of planning a new build and exploring some options ... the fuel itself is cheaper aint it and better as far as a colder denser charge besides it has good cooling effects on a filled block .. any info?
05-03-2012, 01:05 PM
#2
I've been had it for the past 10 years. It used mostly by boosted cars. Can't say I've seen any NA guys do it but doesn't mean it can't be done.
Works great on boosted cars.
Works great on boosted cars.
05-03-2012, 01:38 PM
#3
well i know it will require large amounts of fuel i just wonder howthe factory style setup would handle it i would nee a good tune . i dont know alot about it i just wonder what are the particulars to it ... i wanna do it in a 396ci lt1 .. would be nice to have a sleeper stock loookingbig cubed lt1 on the meth
05-03-2012, 01:40 PM
#4
Boost street cars use it as "chemical intercooling" and in rarer cases supplimental fueling when their fuel system is running out of capacity.
Are you talking intercooling with it or using it as the primary fuel source through the port injection?
As a primary fuel it is corrosive, used to help with a dirttrack car that ran on methanol and it can ruin a lot of stuff if not drained/flushed with gas during storage.
E85 and methanol carry some oxygen with them which allows the engine to burn more which is how they can make more HP despite containing less energy per lbs. The needing to burn a lot more means a bigger fuel system is needed to deliver the extra volume.
Boosted cars heat the intake air by compressing it meaning there is a LOT more potential gain from cooling the charge as compared to a NA car sucking in ambient temp air.
Edit:You replied while I was typing.
After reading you post it sounds like you want to use it as the multiport injected fuel, IMO waste of time and effort, going to cost a lot more money than you think, gain you less than you hope and be a constant PITA with it's corrosive and hydroscopic nature.
Are you talking intercooling with it or using it as the primary fuel source through the port injection?
As a primary fuel it is corrosive, used to help with a dirttrack car that ran on methanol and it can ruin a lot of stuff if not drained/flushed with gas during storage.
E85 and methanol carry some oxygen with them which allows the engine to burn more which is how they can make more HP despite containing less energy per lbs. The needing to burn a lot more means a bigger fuel system is needed to deliver the extra volume.
Boosted cars heat the intake air by compressing it meaning there is a LOT more potential gain from cooling the charge as compared to a NA car sucking in ambient temp air.
Edit:You replied while I was typing.
After reading you post it sounds like you want to use it as the multiport injected fuel, IMO waste of time and effort, going to cost a lot more money than you think, gain you less than you hope and be a constant PITA with it's corrosive and hydroscopic nature.
05-03-2012, 04:03 PM
#5
Basically what you use it for is as 96Caprice said it lowers the temp of the intake charge, it also raises the octane of the fuel, as Methanol has a higher octane rating.
Usually its Water/Meth injection. The water cools the intake charge and the methanol raises the octane so you can run higher boost. So you set your system say to inject at 15lbs of a boost so you can run up to 25lbs.
In order to run higher boost on pump gas you would have to have a super low timing. Water/Meth allows you to run pump gas but when you want it basically turns it into Turbo Blue, or C16.
Usually its Water/Meth injection. The water cools the intake charge and the methanol raises the octane so you can run higher boost. So you set your system say to inject at 15lbs of a boost so you can run up to 25lbs.
In order to run higher boost on pump gas you would have to have a super low timing. Water/Meth allows you to run pump gas but when you want it basically turns it into Turbo Blue, or C16.
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05-03-2012, 09:05 PM
#9
Basically what you use it for is as 96Caprice said it lowers the temp of the intake charge, it also raises the octane of the fuel, as Methanol has a higher octane rating.
Usually its Water/Meth injection. The water cools the intake charge and the methanol raises the octane so you can run higher boost. So you set your system say to inject at 15lbs of a boost so you can run up to 25lbs.
In order to run higher boost on pump gas you would have to have a super low timing. Water/Meth allows you to run pump gas but when you want it basically turns it into Turbo Blue, or C16.
Usually its Water/Meth injection. The water cools the intake charge and the methanol raises the octane so you can run higher boost. So you set your system say to inject at 15lbs of a boost so you can run up to 25lbs.
In order to run higher boost on pump gas you would have to have a super low timing. Water/Meth allows you to run pump gas but when you want it basically turns it into Turbo Blue, or C16.
And methanol does a hell of a lot more cooling to the intake charge than water.
05-03-2012, 09:25 PM
#10
They do not mix the water/meth to dilute the methanol.
Its usually a 50/50 mix of water/meth mixed in one container.
Its just the pros/cons of 100% methanol do not constitute running pure methanol.
The water cools down the combustion temperatures. The Methanol is just a cooler burning fuel.
http://www.aemelectronics.com/water-...ne-engines-51/
http://www.alcohol-injection.com/en/
The main function of water methanol injection is preventing detonation. Detonation is caused by high temperatures and pressure developed in the combustion chamber. Water has a high latent heat content, which makes it extremely effective at preventing the onset of detonation. Water injection also reduces the production of NOx (oxides of nitrogen). Methanol, with its 116 octane and high flash point, further reduces the chances of detonation. While water is not combustible, it has a greater capacity to cool the intake air temps more than methanol alone. This is why we recommend a 50/50 mixture being misted into your boosted engine. Methanol also effectively increases the octane rating of the fuel, allowing performance gains when used in supercharged and turbocharged applications.
Its usually a 50/50 mix of water/meth mixed in one container.
Its just the pros/cons of 100% methanol do not constitute running pure methanol.
The water cools down the combustion temperatures. The Methanol is just a cooler burning fuel.
http://www.aemelectronics.com/water-...ne-engines-51/
http://www.alcohol-injection.com/en/
The main function of water methanol injection is preventing detonation. Detonation is caused by high temperatures and pressure developed in the combustion chamber. Water has a high latent heat content, which makes it extremely effective at preventing the onset of detonation. Water injection also reduces the production of NOx (oxides of nitrogen). Methanol, with its 116 octane and high flash point, further reduces the chances of detonation. While water is not combustible, it has a greater capacity to cool the intake air temps more than methanol alone. This is why we recommend a 50/50 mixture being misted into your boosted engine. Methanol also effectively increases the octane rating of the fuel, allowing performance gains when used in supercharged and turbocharged applications.
05-04-2012, 07:05 AM
#12
I did not go specifically into how hard it is on the fuel system because it would have to redone just for the volume needed. Once I go back and reread though he wants to stay "stock style" so that did warrant more emphsis.
It certainly has it's place, but a street/strip car is not it.
It certainly has it's place, but a street/strip car is not it.
05-04-2012, 12:10 PM
#13
I did not go specifically into how hard it is on the fuel system because it would have to redone just for the volume needed. Once I go back and reread though he wants to stay "stock style" so that did warrant more emphsis.
It certainly has it's place, but a street/strip car is not it.
It certainly has it's place, but a street/strip car is not it.
