Generation III External Engine - Prothane motor AND trans mount
redlineracing
05-07-2012, 12:21 PM
How's it going guys. I have been compiling parts for my return from Afghanistan, and one of my purchases were prothane motor and trans mounts. I have read mixed opinions about running poly motor and trans mounts. Some guys say do it, others say run poly motor and rubber trans. WHAT IS THE REAL DEAL. Do I want to run both poly, or rubber trans mount? I bought them as a kit, so it would be ideal to just install both of them. The car is my daily driver, but I do not mind some added vibrations if it helps performance wise. The car is an a4.
Thanks in advance.
JrodCamaro
05-07-2012, 01:52 PM
I just installed the poly trans mount, I love it. But then again I'm running an m6. The vibrations make the car feel more alive, it shifts smoother and there's no more tran movement. But again that's on an m6. I have the motor mounts also, just haven't had time to install them. But I'm eager to get it done.
Soldier I thank you for serving our country. I would be over there with you now if medical reasons hadn't barred me from enlisting.
redlineracing
05-07-2012, 01:54 PM
I just installed the poly trans mount, I love it. But then again I'm running an m6. The vibrations make the car feel more alive, it shifts smoother and there's no more tran movement. But again that's on an m6. I have the motor mounts also, just haven't had time to install them. But I'm eager to get it done.
Soldier I thank you for serving our country. I would be over there with you now if medical reasons hadn't barred me from enlisting.
I appreciate the reply as well as the kind words.
I am just worried about having poly for the engine AND trans mounts..
Full-Force
05-07-2012, 02:05 PM
Just do it. Poly motor mounts are a must IMO.
Dan Brown
05-07-2012, 02:25 PM
I have poly motor mounts, trans mount, and torque arm mount.
I feel that all those poly components really tightened up the car and didn't add much (if any?) noise. In fact, my car made more noise with all the slop in the drivetrain due to the weak rubber mounts. My car is more of a "cruiser" than a drag racer or auto-x machine, and I wouldn't hesitate to install all the poly pieces again.
jrob56
05-07-2012, 02:54 PM
This is gonna all come down to personal preference, I think I would go ahead and try it. If the vibrations are too much for you, pull the trans mount back out and go back to the stock rubber. Replacing the trans mount isnt that much work. Im doing the poly engine and rubber trans on an A4. After the engine goes back in, if vibes arent bad I might try that trans mount as well. My advice is feel it out.
rickyzZ28
05-07-2012, 04:30 PM
I have them for my swap, but have not installed the motor yet. I have used them in many cars in the past and never had any complaints with them.
s346k
05-07-2012, 06:48 PM
whatever you do, do not use a poly trans mount with rubber motor mounts. i believe the rubber MMs let the engine twist while the poly TM does not. putting the stress on your tailshaft housing. i have some good pictures of what happens when the 2 disagree. i think i even made a thread about it a few years ago.
here is the thread: http://ls1tech.com/forums/automatic-transmission/557976-i-have-small-problem.html
here are the pics: http://s95.photobucket.com/albums/l126/s346k/Camaro/
jrob56
05-07-2012, 07:34 PM
whatever you do, do not use a poly trans mount with rubber motor mounts. i believe the rubber MMs let the engine twist while the poly TM does not. putting the stress on your tailshaft housing. i have some good pictures of what happens when the 2 disagree. i think i even made a thread about it a few years ago.
here is the thread: http://ls1tech.com/forums/automatic-transmission/557976-i-have-small-problem.html
here are the pics: http://s95.photobucket.com/albums/l126/s346k/Camaro/
Yeah I heard that was bad news, did not know that happened to you? I remember mike saying you had something go wrong and spray trans fluid everywhere, but never heard the cause. That is extremely impressive! I liked that car, what was your best in that, like 12.2 bolt ons and converter?
s346k
05-07-2012, 07:44 PM
yeah it went 12.2s...after i sold the car, the new owner discovered the tq arm was bent hahaha. he put a new tq arm on it and new yank converter and went 12.0s..
not bad for a monkey-do setup in a car with a 3700lb+ raceweight...in indiana's awesome 2k'+ da to boot.
jrob56
05-07-2012, 07:48 PM
yeah it went 12.2s...after i sold the car, the new owner discovered the tq arm was bent hahaha. he put a new tq arm on it and new yank converter and went 12.0s..
not bad for a monkey-do setup in a car with a 3700lb+ raceweight...in indiana's awesome 2k'+ da to boot.
thats awesome, thats my goal for Mikes car, 12.0s with bolt ons and suspension.
flintwrench69
05-07-2012, 10:39 PM
How's it going guys. I have been compiling parts for my return from Afghanistan, and one of my purchases were prothane motor and trans mounts. I have read mixed opinions about running poly motor and trans mounts. Some guys say do it, others say run poly motor and rubber trans. WHAT IS THE REAL DEAL. Do I want to run both poly, or rubber trans mount?
I recommend poly engine but rubber trans mount.
I bought them as a kit, so it would be ideal to just install both of them. The car is my daily driver, but I do not mind some added vibrations if it helps performance wise. The car is an a4.
Thanks in advance.
Trust me, the added vibrations outweigh the performance by a lot. Guys run the poly trans mount but some, like me didnt leave it in for more than a day. I gave it to one of my relatives that owns a 95 TA, he couldnt stand it either & gave it back to me. Its easy to switch out though if you dont like it.
whatever you do, do not use a poly trans mount with rubber motor mounts.
BUT...you can use a rubber trans mount with poly engine mounts.
Lionhearted
05-07-2012, 10:42 PM
Prothane motor mounts add weight to the car i heard...dont do it.
You should swap in a 7 speed transmission, more gears and you'll go faster. better bang for buck.
bww3588
05-08-2012, 02:06 AM
^^^seriously I hope your kidding...
I have poly trans and motor mounts, the added vibrations are not as bad as others say, but that comes down to personal preference. My car is not a Cadillac, I don't know about other peoples f bodies tho.
mOtOrHeAd MiKe
05-08-2012, 05:12 PM
I just finished doing the motor and trans mounts in my wife's car. It took me 3 days to do it by myself... granted that was 8 hrs spread over those three days - semantics. The two things I will add are:
1. This isn't for a novice, especially not one lacking patience. Take the whole assembly out and re-install from the top down (motor to pedestal) with everything loosely installed; and
2. Yes, it transmits more vibration through the chassis... but, at least you know the engine and trans will stay put. Our stockers were hardened, crumbling and split.
Good luck!
sheaadams86
05-09-2012, 07:15 AM
Get a torque ARM bushing also, trans mount is easy install, motor mounts helped a lot!!!! But they suck for install, get help cause Ur gonna get stressed and its gonna take awhile, has nothing to do with mech skill level just a ***** to get to bolts
redlineracing
05-09-2012, 08:38 AM
I'm going to be doing the engine and trans mounts at the same time. Both will be done during my header installation. I'll have my father helping me out so I don't think it will be too much trouble.
Not going to get a torque arm bushing, as I will be getting a UMI torque arm as soon as I have the cash.
MikeWS6
05-09-2012, 10:48 AM
I did the poly mm install after the headers. I didnt notice any difference. The stock motor mounts were in rough shape though so it was a must.
MeentSS02
05-09-2012, 11:03 AM
I ran both poly motor and trans mounts on my old Camaro for years - for the trans mount, I did not use the preload plate.
The poly mounts seem to "break in" after a while, so if you don't like the vibration, just give it some time. Swapping back to a rubber transmission mount is far easier than trying to do the motor mounts again, so you can easily reverse that portion of it. The poly motor mounts, IMO, were a must. As a matter of fact, I'll end up doing poly motor and trans mounts on my Viper once I get some time.
redlineracing
05-09-2012, 11:44 AM
Yeah I'm just going to do both of them. Hopefully the motor mounts wont be too much trouble while the headers are off.
MeentSS02
05-09-2012, 02:38 PM
Yeah I'm just going to do both of them. Hopefully the motor mounts wont be too much trouble while the headers are off.
Motor mounts still aren't the easiest things in the world to install, but having the headers out of the way is a huge help. I installed one side with the header still in place, and it took me an entire day. Having learned my lesson, I took the other header out before attempting the other side.