Generation III Internal Engine - ARP Bolts on Aluminum LS engines




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badazz81z28
05-07-2012, 01:28 PM
Who has used ARP bolts on their Aluminum LS build? Besides head bolts, bolts such as cam retainer, oil pump, timing cover etc. The reason I ask is because their Tq specs are quite higher than GM.

ARP will NOT tell me if they are safe for Aluminum or not.


baxsom
05-07-2012, 01:43 PM
did you not get the answer you need in the last thread you put up on this?

badazz81z28
05-07-2012, 01:48 PM
Nope. I did not. Nobody said they have used them for their application. Just "what they would do"


redtan
05-07-2012, 04:20 PM
Lots of people have used both studs and bolts from ARP in al blocks...they're not just for iron blocks.

badazz81z28
05-07-2012, 05:49 PM
Lots of people have used both studs and bolts from ARP in al blocks...they're not just for iron blocks.

Agree, looking for people who have actually used the said bolts for their applications for build LS engines. Not head bolts.

bayer-z28
05-07-2012, 08:00 PM
Cam bolts, head bolts and crank bolt here. And I see APR bolts as a more precise stretch vs conventional GM bolts. Especially when using the torque lube and cleaning the threads prior to install.

I wouldn't worry about pulling the threads out of you follow the recommended procedures. I'd gather that ARP has spend their R&D time/money on testing these bolts on aluminum blocks.

badazz81z28
05-07-2012, 08:09 PM
Cam bolts, head bolts and crank bolt here. And I see APR bolts as a more precise stretch vs conventional GM bolts. Especially when using the torque lube and cleaning the threads prior to install.

I wouldn't worry about pulling the threads out of you follow the recommended procedures. I'd gather that ARP has spend their R&D time/money on testing these bolts on aluminum blocks.



Did you use the cam retaining plate bolts? Torqued to 24ft? Did you use lube or loctite?

ARP wouldnt tell me if they were designed to be used with Aluminum or not. In fact he kind of tried to avoid the question by stating "he doesnt know how strong the aluminum is".

Darkman
05-07-2012, 08:21 PM
ARP's stated torque specifications are based on 75% of each fastener's yield strengh with ARP's lubricant, which presumably reduces the friction component implicit in the torque value. Since ARP produces fasteners with varous tensile strengths (and yield strengths) the specifiations are fastener-specific. So, it does not appear the ARP's specifications vary based on the materal being fastened.

badazz81z28
05-07-2012, 08:32 PM
ARP's stated torque specifications are based on 75% of each fastener's yield strengh with ARP's lubricant, which presumably reduces the friction component implicit in the torque value. Since ARP produces fasteners with varous tensile strengths (and yield strengths) the specifiations are fastener-specific. So, it does not appear the ARP's specifications vary based on the materal being fastened.

Youre absoluty right. I just need someone to torque that bolt to 24 ftlbs and let me know if if stripped :guns:

Junk block anyone?

Steve01SS
05-07-2012, 10:22 PM
My Alum block motor is full of ARP hardware.(head studs, water pump, cam and retainer...etc.) I used loctite on the cam and cam retainer plate bolts. Taking no chances there. Stock GM tq specs on the retainer if i remember correctly.

They were not the countersunk type bolts on the retainer, was the older type.