Dynamometer Results & Comparisons - TSP 228R w/ Stage 2.5 LS6 Heads

Hey guys, I had my car tuned today on a dynojet at MC racing in KC.

Mods

228/228 .588/.588 112 LSA at .050- 228r from TSP
Stage 2.5 LS6 CNC ported heads from TSP
Pacesetter longtube headers
Dual 3 inch exhaust with bullets and high flow cats
Spec 3 clutch and aluminum flywheel
Stock 3.42 gears stock 10 bolt rear
Stock LS6 intake

It put down 428rwhp and 400rwtq! :cool:

I tried to post the graph but for some reason it won't upload... Ill try again tomorrow.

Nice numbers! What do you plan on doing with the car? Just DDing, racing, or what?

Good numbers! This is a similar setup to mine (cam/heads). Glad to get some real numbers to back up my "seat of the pants dyno."

Good numbers with mild cam , stock intake and tb
Congrats man.

Nice numbers! I bet it drives pretty nice with that kind of setup in there.

Im happy with the results, specially considering the mileage. I wanted to upgrade to a fast intake, but thats like an additional $1k+ for may be 10-15rwhp, and I wanted to keep this under a decent budget but also make this motor last.

Nice numbers! What do you plan on doing with the car? Just DDing, racing, or what?

I might take it to the strip a few times, but its mainly just a fast street car with good street manners. I only drive it when its nice out and I dd my 96 jeep grand cherokee.

How would you rate your experience with MC Racing? Also, could you PM me what the cost was for the dynotune? I'll be needing a place to get my WS6 tuned in the near future.

Nice Numbers! Love my 228r 110lsa. Mine only put down 385rwhp 377tq with stock heads though.

How would you rate your experience with MC Racing? Also, could you PM me what the cost was for the dynotune? I'll be needing a place to get my WS6 tuned in the near future.

They were pretty good, my car drives pretty good and they got the car tuned well. My only complaint could be they were not the friendliest people but they were by no means rude. Im pretty sure they are the only ones who tune in the KC area. House of boost no longer does tuning. And it was $430 for the tune and took about 2.5 hours.

They were pretty good, my car drives pretty good and they got the car tuned well. My only complaint could be they were not the friendliest people but they were by no means rude. Im pretty sure they are the only ones who tune in the KC area. House of boost no longer does tuning. And it was $430 for the tune and took about 2.5 hours.

good numbers for the setup but i have a concern of my own for and its that they only had your car for two hours for tuning? How does the car drive? Usually a head cam package will take alittle bit longer then two half hours to get the tune perfect.

good numbers for the setup but i have a concern of my own for and its that they only had your car for two hours for tuning? How does the car drive? Usually a head cam package will take alittle bit longer then two half hours to get the tune perfect.

There is some surging in first and second. Kind of depends though, sometimes it will a little bit and other times it wont. Im still on the stock 3.42 gears too.

Anyone else have an idea of how much surging there should be acceptable?

Hey well My car does surge when i am in low of a gear and it is annoying! My car is cam only and it has been awhile since it was tuned but If i remember correctly he only tuned my car for about an hour for the cam! (it had been tuned their before for bolt ons tho). It still surges but I have grown to live with it the passed 15k miles.

if the car is tuned properly there should be no surging at all especially with a cam of that size.

Are your heads milled at all? What compression are you runnig?

Nice numbers! That is the same cam I want and I'm not sure on heads yet. I live in southwest ks and I need a place to get a dyno tune. Does anybody know if there is good dyno tune shop in wichita?

How do you like the spec 3 clutch? When I first did H/C/I on my z28 I ran one and ended up swapping for the ls7, but there seems to be mixed feelings on them.

They were pretty good, my car drives pretty good and they got the car tuned well. My only complaint could be they were not the friendliest people but they were by no means rude. Im pretty sure they are the only ones who tune in the KC area. House of boost no longer does tuning. And it was $430 for the tune and took about 2.5 hours.


Thank you for the information regarding your experience with them. I'm in Jefferson City, MO, so I'm a little closer to St. Louis than I am to K.C., so I'm keeping my options open when it comes time for a dynotune. Congrats on your setup. Great numbers that you can really use on the street and strip.

The compression is about 11 to 1, the heads were milled .030 and im running the stock gm mls gasket. The clutch isnt to bad, kind of a pain when your going stop light to stop light and a bunch of launching, but for a weekend car or summer toy its nice, its got a nice and crisp feeling and I havent had any problems with it not holding the power. But today I was leaving my drive way and the car got stuck in reverse... I had to shut it off and somehow it came out of gear and I rolled it back into the driveway, and now the pedal wont come all the way back up... Im thinking its the slave cylinder... :bang:

Anyways here is the graph

My car is cam only and it has been awhile since it was tuned but If i remember correctly he only tuned my car for about an hour for the cam! (it had been tuned their before for bolt ons tho). .

Where'd you take your car to get tuned?

Try this link for the dyno run

http://www.youtube.com/embed/fEFRr5GgzsM

You will have to copy and paste it looks like

Looks like it's a slightly generous dyno for that heads/cam setup. Why does the dyno sheet show the run file for a 2001 Corvette with an auto and P1SC? You have a WS6 correct?

Looks like it's a slightly generous dyno for that heads/cam setup. Why does the dyno sheet show the run file for a 2001 Corvette with an auto and P1SC? You have a WS6 correct?

dont think its generous, the added compression probably helps a bit. I plan on running a similar setup at 11.5:1 CR.

Nice job OP!

dont think its generous, the added compression probably helps a bit. I plan on running a similar setup at 11.5:1 CR.

Nice job OP!

No, it's generous. The compression is not that high at all. It was a happy dyno. Why do you think the OP is so pleased with his numbers? If he made a more realistic 400/380 do you think he would be as satisfied? Nobody likes or wants to admit that shops can easily manipulate dyno numbers. But the customer is happy and they are guaranteed to get him back as a repeat customer.

I'm sure that heads/cam combo runs great regardless of what numbers it shows. But it still doesn't explain why the run file of the dyno sheet shows a 2001 Corvette with a P1SC.

No, it's generous. The compression is not that high at all. It was a happy dyno. Why do you think the OP is so pleased with his numbers? If he made a more realistic 400/380 do you think he would be as satisfied? Nobody likes or wants to admit that shops can easily manipulate dyno numbers. But the customer is happy and they are guaranteed to get him back as a repeat customer.

I'm sure that heads/cam combo runs great regardless of what numbers it shows. But it still doesn't explain why the run file of the dyno sheet shows a 2001 Corvette with a P1SC.

I saw that on there at the shop, I would imagine that was the name of the file from a previous guy. Just because it has a different name does not mean they skewed the numbers. Im sure its just what the title of it was. And yes my car is a trans am ws6

For what its worth, I saw each pull on the screen, started off around 370/350 and ended up with what I posted on here.

OP dont worry about people saying you were on a happy dyno, you have a couple things that help dyno numbers going for you.. true duals, and a lightweight flywheel, and i assume stock wheels and tires, which arent that heavy compared to others you could have. My TQV2/PRC 5.3 combo only made 415/410 at stock compression with an ls1 intake so i think youre right where you should be.

Glad I found this thread.

Good choice and nice numbers OP. :cheers:

Been considering this package with the TSP 227cc heads and 228R cam.

Also thought about the package with the TSP 237cc heads and 228R cam or bigger cam ?

http://www.texas-speed.com/p-1168-precision-race-components-227cc-aftermarket-casting-heads-cam-package.aspx



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I have the 228R, AFR 205 milled to 62cc, Kooks Long Tube headers, high flow cats, FAST 90/90, 30# ford injectors, 85mm MAF, Vararam system, textrilia clutch, GHL exhaust, 19 inch rims in the rear, and 3.90 gears.

100's of hours of tuning in it, and depending on which dyno im on, I range
445 to 460 RWHP and 430 RWTQ. Put myself through the basic and advanced tuning school.

On a mustang, I hit 417 RWHP.

She's a quick little corvette. I like to say when I put the package together, I didnt want to go "big" on anything. I wanted to stay under a 230+ cam because 10 years ago, 230 was big. I wanted to stay under 11.1 compression because 10 years ago 11.1 was high (now its stock).



Alway got help from Doug @ ECS, Edmcatlt1, Patrick G, Slowhawk and Tony Mamo. When you see a post from those guys, read it twice because its always has great advice.

You dont have to go big to make power. Click the picture.
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff231/aprea1/th_Dynotune.jpg (http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/ff231/aprea1/?action=view&current=Dynotune.mp4)

Looks like it's a slightly generous dyno for that heads/cam setup. Why does the dyno sheet show the run file for a 2001 Corvette with an auto and P1SC? You have a WS6 correct?

People are so funny! I just saw an AI set-up with a similar cam that the OP claimed 440rwhp, and nobody said a thing......I also saw a livernois 243s with stock cam...460rwhp:gtfo:

No, it's generous. The compression is not that high at all. It was a happy dyno. Why do you think the OP is so pleased with his numbers? If he made a more realistic 400/380 do you think he would be as satisfied? Nobody likes or wants to admit that shops can easily manipulate dyno numbers. But the customer is happy and they are guaranteed to get him back as a repeat customer.

I'm sure that heads/cam combo runs great regardless of what numbers it shows. But it still doesn't explain why the run file of the dyno sheet shows a 2001 Corvette with a P1SC.

Yup. that BS is flung around all over the dyno section. Peoples dyno #s are all over the place and people are running practically the same combo. I try to avoid the threads, its nothing more than my dik is longer than yours, which everyone inflates the #s just to be "cool"

Nice setup. We've done a bunch of the same combo's. The numbers are very believable. We are close on our mustang dyno. I like it because it has a great average power and drives very good.

Nice setup. We've done a bunch of the same combo's. The numbers are very believable. We are close on our mustang dyno. I like it because it has a great average power and drives very good.

I left you off my list of great resources of help and information, but I added you.

Looks like it's a slightly generous dyno for that heads/cam setup. Why does the dyno sheet show the run file for a 2001 Corvette with an auto and P1SC? You have a WS6 correct?

I would say it was because they forgot to create a new "run file" for his car. Obviously the Covette was the previous car on the dyno and that was the run file still in use. Seen it many times. All they have to do is create a new run file under his name and Pontiac WS6 or what ever and move that file(s) into the new one.

Thanks for all the compliments guys, I will try and get and idle clip up this week. Sounds badass with the 3 inch duals with bullet mufflers :)

No, it's generous. The compression is not that high at all. It was a happy dyno. Why do you think the OP is so pleased with his numbers? If he made a more realistic 400/380 do you think he would be as satisfied? Nobody likes or wants to admit that shops can easily manipulate dyno numbers. But the customer is happy and they are guaranteed to get him back as a repeat customer.

I'm sure that heads/cam combo runs great regardless of what numbers it shows. But it still doesn't explain why the run file of the dyno sheet shows a 2001 Corvette with a P1SC.

LOL 400/380 sounds like cam only to me with torque a touch on the low side.

No, it's generous. The compression is not that high at all. It was a happy dyno. Why do you think the OP is so pleased with his numbers? If he made a more realistic 400/380 do you think he would be as satisfied? Nobody likes or wants to admit that shops can easily manipulate dyno numbers. But the customer is happy and they are guaranteed to get him back as a repeat customer.

I'm sure that heads/cam combo runs great regardless of what numbers it shows. But it still doesn't explain why the run file of the dyno sheet shows a 2001 Corvette with a P1SC.

I just dynoed mine this weekend, its very similar but no duals, slightly lower compression with TFS 215s its about 10.6:1 & going though a 9 inch I made 398/378 on an 86 deg day on a dynojet. I will post up the dyno sheet when I get home. I couldve got 400 out of it if I had them pull it up to 6600 but I told them 6400. Cam only I made 380/360 on a mustang with 3.73s on the 10 bolt. It feels much stronger than the 20 hp/tq increase though. The OPs numbers are believeable, not the first time I seen that from a 228 cam.

My dyno sheet
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z318/red99rocket/SAM_0519.jpg

My 02 bird made 393/366 with a 228r @ 114. stock heads, and A4/stall. its a really nice mid range cam. my results were from a dynocom.

OP what do you trap in the 1/4?

OP what do you trap in the 1/4?

Never been to the track yet, and the closet quarter mile track is in Topeka and thats about a 2 hour drive. :bang:

I know this Idle clip is WAYYY over due but here it is fellas!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_OpW0DvU0g&feature=youtu.be

Two things first keep in mind his numbers are shown STD corrected not SAE they will be a little bit higher with STD. When I was h/c I made 424rwhp 393rwtq std. Either way OP be happy with your results!

Nice numbers..I believe your well within 400rwhp range.Im at 350whp and 360tq just 228r and ls6 intake on stock lq4..stock manifolds.My tune isnt spot on between 1000-2100rpm..slight surges in 1st and 2nd cruisin along but I have smaller issues to fix first before I do another dyno tune.I plan to be over 400whp by milling the heads and longtube headers and bigger injectors.

228r is awesome street/strip cam..my ls7 clutch isnt liking being launched but is great for street.I need a better clutch to really get power down to the ground off idle.Mid range and topend screams for a almost baby cam..surprises bigger cammed cars.

Old thread bump. I think im going to run the stg 2.5 ls6's with my 228r. Ill post the numbers. I still have the stock clutch so they might be lower than op's.

Old thread bump. I think im going to run the stg 2.5 ls6's with my 228r. Ill post the numbers. I still have the stock clutch so they might be lower than op's.

What LSA are you going with?

What LSA are you going with?

I already have the 228R on 112.

Those are good numbers OP... I put that down with the help of a fast 92/92 set up and Prc 5.3 cnc heads, 224r cam/big stall built A4 427hp/402tq

Take that ride to topeka and find out what it does! Make sure you get some tires for it.

Those are good numbers OP... I put that down with the help of a fast 92/92 set up and Prc 5.3 cnc heads, 224r cam/big stall built A4 427hp/402tq

Take that ride to topeka and find out what it does! Make sure you get some tires for it.

Yeah thats what I am hoping to do! As long as my budget allows haha

I picked up ~20rwhp with the FAST 92/92 & 98mm lid. Then another 20rwhp by going from 1 3/4" to 1 7/8" headers with those heads on a torquer V3.