Western Members - new smog jan 1st

Now that 2000+ cars no longer need a dyno smog just a obd2 check everybody saving up for a cam and a set of heads?

what do u mean no more dyno smog????

Some parts of CA put your car on rollers and test at 15mpg and 25mpg, it's the "enhanced" smog. It depends on which county your car is registered in. I didn't know they were doing away with that.

What's your source on this?

I've heard about this too..but I have a 98 :(

haha put a cam in everything reguardless of SMOG .... is my saying

.next is the e85 for good measure :)

What's smog?

more details on this plz, so how exactly would they determine if it passes or not?

Now that 2000+ cars no longer need a dyno smog just a obd2 check everybody saving up for a cam and a set of heads?

Where did you run across this info? Would like to find out more.

There has to be a catch, no way passing smog could get easier in CA.

Where did you run across this info? Would like to find out more.

There has to be a catch, no way passing smog could get easier in CA.

There trying to cut costs from smog shops extra paperwork etc. You will still be required to smog your car but it will be a readiness test, just to make sure all systems are performing as they should. There won't be a sniffer for 2000+.

Cant find any infor on ca.gov.dmv

It was posted here awhile back as a bill that was being passed.

what do u mean no more dyno smog????

more details on this plz, so how exactly would they determine if it passes or not?

By smelling your culo; sniffer test.

By smelling your culo; sniffer test.

mamon, didnt you read no more sniffer test ha

mamon, didnt you read no more sniffer test ha

So what dont you get lol

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/southern-california/2767808-new-smog-law-2289-no-more-sniffer-test.html

http://www.smogtips.com/new-smog-law-AB-2289.cfm

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/northern-california/3051338-for-those-with-modified-motors-exhausts-how-do-you-get-past-a-smog-check.html

If they are interested in reducing pollution, then they should eliminate the visual and functional and keep the sniffer. Smog testing is done to mitigate pollution. Who cares if the car is modified as long as it's not grossly polluting. That law is absolutely retarded.

But, say hello to big cams, big heads, and gutted stock cats!

Anyone know if the computer scan will be able to detect tuned PCMs?

Anyone know if the computer scan will be able to detect tuned PCMs?

No one seems to know for sure yet. Not a lot published about that yet that I have seen. Tons of speculation, so take that for what its worth since it is the internet.

An interesting thing I came across not too long ago was that the FAST LSx intake is now CARB approved. However, the wording in the EO states "This Executive Order is valid provided that the installation instructions for the LSXR Intake Manifold will not recommend tuning the vehicle to specifications different from those of the vehicle manufacturer."

Thread about the EO here:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/southern-california/3019567-carb-exemption-order-for-fast-lsx-manifolds.html

Here is a link to the EO:
http://arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devices/eo/D-279-7.pdf

How will they know? Not entirely sure but some of the leading speculation with the OBDII scan is a checksum comparison...or something like that. Not really too sure about that so take it for what its worth - internet speak.

I know the eForce Supercharger has something similar in that it is only legal if you use the tune provided. Again, not sure how they would be able to check. I'm would imagine they would have some plan in place.

I think the biggest thing that jumped out at me from AB 2289 is this:

'B. Vehicles known to release large amounts of pollution must test at stations with the highest performance ratings."

Not sure how they are going to determine how a car does or doesn't fall in this category.

From another internet posting, so who knows:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122635

At the smog test, they connect to your PCM via the OBD2 port and read these things (using Mode $09):
- CAL ID for each segment,
- CVN for each segment,
- VIN of your vehicle,

they then use the VIN to look up a database containing valid CAL ID and CVN values for your VIN (this is already in place for 2005+ cars);

the CVN's are like checksums; when tuning software writes to the PCM, the tuning software calculates what the CVN should be for each segment and writes it to the PCM; when you turn on the key, the PCM performs the same CVN calculation and expects to arrive at the same values;

if you have significant engine mods, you would have had your PCM tuned, which means the CVN for the engine segment now differs from original...

if you deleted codes, then the engine diagnostic segment CVN differs...

if you had your auto trans tuned, then the trans segment CVN differs...

if you changed your ring/pinion ratio, then your speedo segment CVN differs...

if you changed your fan on/off temperatures, then your system segment CVN differs...

[ if GM reflashed your PCM for some reason or other, CARB will know about it (since the PCM is an emissions device), and the new CAL ID and CVN will end up in the database ]

if your car is a 2005+ they will definitely see the differences in CVN values, and they will fail you;

if your car is 2000-2005 they may still be able to pick up on these differences, even tho they didn't legislate for a database for cars prior to 2005; that doesn't mean they don't have a means of looking up and checking (they have had the ability to store the CAL ID and CVN values from all your previous smog tests, and they have the computing ability to detect differences, they just can't necessarily compare them to the OEM values);

in short, this is looking bad."

Man, that blows

We can speculate on what it can and cannot do , almost every good tuner I've spoke to is fairly certain that cars tuned with hpt will be fine, I highly doubt they are going to get extremly complicated with the computer systems as this law is about decreasing operating cost to smog shops and in turn increasing revenue for they state (new machinery new fees )
In reality its all about money , even though the cost of operation will be much less, but they will be tacking on more fees for a test , so smog check cost will be the same or more money
But if it does turn out bad , I have a address in az and ill just reg my car out there

The quote in Vilkata post seems very inaccurate current smog check systems have no way of checking vin # or any real data in a pcm other then readyness and ses codes , so unless they have inside info , I would take it with a grain of salt

The quote in Vilkata post seems very inaccurate current smog check systems have no way of checking vin # or any real data in a pcm other then readyness and ses codes , so unless they have inside info , I would take it with a grain of salt

Like I said, all internet speak so who knows. The possibility could be what all is included in the 'new machines' you reference in your previous post. I think what might tell us more is to reach out to people in the other states that already use this method. Perhaps it is the same things they look for as well.

I'm sure someone is going to find out the hard/easy way come 2013. Who knows, maybe everyone is wrong and its something completely different all together.

No matter what the case, the thing I am wondering about is item B in the law regarding being able to direct cars to specific smog stations. Not sure what all that is going to allow.

Either way, won't stop me from modding. As you point out, its all about revenue. So there will just possibly be more $ that needs to be spent on the other side.

The quote in Vilkata post seems very inaccurate current smog check systems have no way of checking vin # or any real data in a pcm other then readyness and ses codes , so unless they have inside info , I would take it with a grain of salt

This is kind of cool though. Disturbing, but cool none the less:

http://tis2web.service.gm.com/tis2web

This is kind of cool though. Disturbing, but cool none the less:

http://tis2web.service.gm.com/tis2web

I found this link too. What does it mean? This was from my truck:

Calibration History for: Operating system
Part Number CVN Bulletin # Description
12208322 N/A - New calibration removes functionality of A/C variation correction enhancement. Replaces calibration number 12202088.
M4455: There are 2 calibration part numbers that are valid for 'Engine'. Read the descriptions from the following tables to determine the correct calibration for this vehicle.

Calibration History for: Engine
Part Number CVN Bulletin # Description
9357818 0000B4FB - Software change to control unwanted idle speed
16263781 0000A539 - Engine calibration

Part Number CVN Bulletin # Description
9358694 000037DE - NOTICE: Should only be used to correct lean hesitation during warm up that is caused by intake valve deposits. Use only in complaint vehicles. Use of this calibration in non-complaint vehicles can create undesirable drivability characteristics.
16263781 0000A539 - Engine calibration

Calibration History for: Engine diagnostic
Part Number CVN Bulletin # Description
9358941 00005551 - New calibration to address OBD2 compliance issue
9362534 00008C23 - Software change to control unwanted idle speed
16263998 00006AAB - Engine diagnostic calibration

Calibration History for: Transmission
Part Number CVN Bulletin # Description
16264214 0000184A - Transmission calibration

Calibration History for: Transmission diagnostic
Part Number CVN Bulletin # Description
16264334 0000E269 - Transmission diagnostic calibration

Calibration History for: Fuel system
Part Number CVN Bulletin # Description
16264630 00001B41 - New calibration to reflect changes in fuel tank stiffness
16264543 0000459B - Fuel system calibration

Calibration History for: System
Part Number CVN Bulletin # Description
9373483 0000F5E1 - System calibration

Calibration History for: Speedometer
Part Number CVN Bulletin # Description
9359199 0000C3D7 - Speedometer calibration

I have a feeling this is one of those things that people with 2000+ cars will be cheering about until the details are out. If it sounds too good to be true..

I have a feeling this is one of those things that people with 2000+ cars will be cheering about until the details are out. If it sounds too good to be true..

+1 I hope they do not check to see if we got a tune, because if they do I'm screwed.

guys, they cannot check the current tune in the vehicle. The way the Eforce supercharger works, is that edelbrock had to provide CARB with a tune that would pass smog. So they mandate that you must use the tune that comes with the Eforce to be compliant. They would have no way of knowing if you changed it or not.

you should all join the SEMA SAN network. Its free, and it updates you on the progress of all smog laws. When this law passes (which it will) people with HPtuners cars will have no issues.

^^ just as I thought ^^
Although they will still do a visual and unless you know the smog guy , I'm sure if you roll in with a nasty sounding cam car they are probably going to fail you

guys, they cannot check the current tune in the vehicle. The way the Eforce supercharger works, is that edelbrock had to provide CARB with a tune that would pass smog. So they mandate that you must use the tune that comes with the Eforce to be compliant. They would have no way of knowing if you changed it or not.

you should all join the SEMA SAN network. Its free, and it updates you on the progress of all smog laws. When this law passes (which it will) people with HPtuners cars will have no issues.

Should be an interesting read (SEMA SAN). More interesting at least than reading the actual bill itself. Which already passed by the way. The state assembly voted for it on July 2, 2010. Amended it twice, then the senate amended it four times. The assembly passed it on August 26, 201. The State Senate voted for it on August 25, 2010. The governor signed it into law in September 23, 2010. It was filed officially on September 24, 2010. This as mentioned before, is scheduled to be enacted January 1, 2013.

Here is the bill as presented back then:

ftp://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_2251-2300/ab_2289_cfa_20100825_190519_asm_floor.html

Here is a link to who actually voted for it:

http://www.ecovote.org/bill/all-onboard-smog-checks

Here is an interesting quote about the bill:

AB 2289 provides regulations to penalize those who violate the smog check standard. The bill would authorize the department to adopt, by regulation, a process by which vehicles that present prohibitive or unusual inspection circumstances are inspected by referees, as provided. A referee would be authorized to charge a fee sufficient to cover the costs of providing certain referee services.

This too (from the bill itself):

To better address the extent to which improper and/or falsified
test results may be factors in the smog check program, the
report recommended corrective steps, some of which are
incorporated in this bill.

Here is another interesting one. Talks about how they have been collecting data about the stations that have been performing the tests and the vehicles that have been using them.

http://www.smogcheck.ca.gov/80_BARResources/03_Standards&Training/Star/pdf/AB_2289.pdf

Again, who knows. Lots of bureaucratic bs.

Here people from other states that already use this method speak of AP. Basically spoofing the OBDII

http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=215773

How does this affect someone with a 94 car with a 2002 LS1. I might be moving to Cali next year. I don't actually have an OBDI port anymore but the car did pass emissions in AZ.

How does this affect someone with a 94 car with a 2002 LS1. I might be moving to Cali next year. I don't actually have an OBDI port anymore but the car did pass emissions in AZ.

Not sure if swapped engine vehicles count as "specially constructed vehicles"

http://www.aroundthecapitol.com/Bills/AB_2289/20112012/

How does this affect someone with a 94 car with a 2002 LS1. I might be moving to Cali next year. I don't actually have an OBDI port anymore but the car did pass emissions in AZ.

Out of state cars can be a pain to register here. Engine swaps can be worse. I would HIGHLY recommend doing your research before coming here.

guys, they cannot check the current tune in the vehicle. The way the Eforce supercharger works, is that edelbrock had to provide CARB with a tune that would pass smog. So they mandate that you must use the tune that comes with the Eforce to be compliant. They would have no way of knowing if you changed it or not.

STS does it by sending you a Predator with a base tune on it. They make adjustments that are still within CARB parameters and once you're done you send the Predator back to them, they check the tune that you used, and then they send you a CARB sticker. Seems kinda silly if you ask me.

Funny thing is even if they kept the sniffer most of the "pollutants" that a car produces well those who have a tune and no cats, is like at the bottom of the pollutants list well last I saw. The only real pollutant cars are ones that don't run right old clunkers what not and also mostly manufacturing processing.

I like a quote from one comedian, we as a people are pretty arrogant to believe that we have such a huge effect on the planet, the planet which is larger than us and has always managed to balance itself out and yet us small little people believe we can have such a huge effect on it.

When this law passes (which it will) people with HPtuners cars will have no issues.

Why HPtuners?

So they cant check if the computer has been modified?.. Hmm.. Im no expert but the way technology is going soon there's gonna be an app for that. :jest:

If they are interested in reducing pollution, then they should eliminate the visual and functional and keep the sniffer. Smog testing is done to mitigate pollution. Who cares if the car is modified as long as it's not grossly polluting. That law is absolutely retarded.

But, say hello to big cams, big heads, and gutted stock cats!

Who cares in general! F*ck them I say. We're putting $$$ into the economy. It's not a old pos falling apart down the road or a mustang lol... just kidding blue circle lovers...