View Full Version : Those with roll bars, keep airbags?


69gto96z
05-16-2012, 12:09 AM
Just kinda curious, all of the guys who have 6 point roll bars in your car, do you still have airbags? After the roll bar install, my dash will be coming out. I am thinking of pulling the airbags out while I am at it. The car will be primarily a fun street car, but will see the track, and will have the power to run in the 10s.

Mighty Whitey
05-16-2012, 01:11 AM
I ditched my passenger side when I pulled the HVAC from behind the dash.
While you're putting a 6pt in, might as well ditch the factory crash bars inside the door, since the ones on the new roll bar are MUCH MUCH better.

Demonicbird00
05-16-2012, 07:00 AM
both of mine are out

sweetbmxrider
05-16-2012, 10:47 AM
Might are gone but I also did an aftermarket steering wheel. Still have to get the stock door bars out but that is on the list.

JL ws-6
05-16-2012, 10:54 AM
I took both of mi e out at that point, 5 pt harness kind of makes then useless

minytrker
05-16-2012, 11:26 AM
First thing I did when I had car tore apart for cage was take out air bags.

zracer323
05-16-2012, 12:12 PM
If its primarily a street car I would leave them in.

deerslayinrednek
05-16-2012, 12:26 PM
I took both of mi e out at that point, 5 pt harness kind of makes then useless

but a harness isn't legal on the street

Imo if your going to street drive the car they should be left in. There's just too many idiots on the road. Mine are still in and I plan to keep it that way.

It's your car though, and it would be a good excuse to get a nicer steering wheel

355z28
05-16-2012, 01:04 PM
My only fear with leaving mine in is coming down hard from being on too wheels. That would suck 2 blown air backs, a broken dash and windshield and an oil pan and headers lol

69gto96z
05-16-2012, 01:23 PM
I was pulling my gauge cluster and noticed the light was pulled. I remember I pulled the bulb when I did the last motor swap, so out they come.

69gto96z
05-16-2012, 01:35 PM
I didn't know harnesses weren't legal on the street. I was planning on ditching my factory belts for 5 points. Cops in DFW love to give no seat belt tickets. Hopefully I can get away with a harness for a seat belt and avoid a ticket.

69gto96z
05-16-2012, 01:37 PM
When I say primarily a street car, it will mainly be a weekend warrior/cruiser. I DDed the car for 7 years, that was enough for me. The car might see 1000 miles a year street use.

deerslayinrednek
05-16-2012, 02:31 PM
I didn't know harnesses weren't legal on the street. I was planning on ditching my factory belts for 5 points. Cops in DFW love to give no seat belt tickets. Hopefully I can get away with a harness for a seat belt and avoid a ticket.

There is a few DOT harnesses out there

94Z28rag
05-16-2012, 02:36 PM
Airbags are pretty useless with a properly-fitting 5-point harness.

Not only that, but airbags + full face helmet = bad.

69gto96z
05-16-2012, 02:49 PM
There is a few DOT harnesses out there

I'll look into that, hopefully some have the cam lock feature.

Airbags are pretty useless with a properly-fitting 5-point harness.

Not only that, but airbags + full face helmet = bad.

Ah, good point.

94Z28rag
05-16-2012, 02:58 PM
I'll look into that, hopefully some have the cam lock feature.

Yes, there are, but none of them are SFI-approved. I'd get the SFI-approved harness and "risk" the ticket.

69gto96z
05-16-2012, 04:08 PM
I came across this DOT approved 4 point harness.

http://www.schrothracing.com/store/tuning/rallye/rallye-4

At what time does NHRA require a 5 point harness?

JL ws-6
05-16-2012, 05:19 PM
but a harness isn't legal on the street

Imo if your going to street drive the car they should be left in. There's just too many idiots on the road. Mine are still in and I plan to keep it that way.

It's your car though, and it would be a good excuse to get a nicer steering wheel

Honestly, if you get stopped, and are wearing a 5 pt harness, I think the seat belt ticket is the last thing that you really need to be concerned with don't ya think? At that point, there's surly plenty of other reasons to give you a hard time, I'd rather get the seat belt ticket then have them start looking at the car....

That was my thinking anyway.

69gto96z
05-16-2012, 05:34 PM
Honestly, if you get stopped, and are wearing a 5 pt harness, I think the seat belt ticket is the last thing that you really need to be concerned with don't ya think? At that point, there's surly plenty of other reasons to give you a hard time, I'd rather get the seat belt ticket then have them start looking at the car....

That was my thinking anyway.

True, but the car has been far from emissions legal for the past 5 years, and I have never had a problem out of the many times I've been stopped. TX cops seem to be more concerned with seatbelt tickets than emissions tickets. I have to make sure I avoid all emissions checkpoints though. I've had cops follow me for miles and never pull me over. People I know that have followed me always comment on the exhaust smell, so I know the cops smell it too.

Fbodyjunkie06
05-16-2012, 09:17 PM
It's one of those things about owning a car like this.

Have to do what YOU want to do in the long run with the car.

I personally don't have mine but then again mine is far from a cruiser although the new nitrous stall is heaven compared to the all motor stall:D

I say take em out, and rock the 5 points. I just usually use the shoulder straps when I drive around and leave the lap belts undone.

sweetbmxrider
05-17-2012, 11:01 AM
I ditched my passenger side when I pulled the HVAC from behind the dash.
While you're putting a 6pt in, might as well ditch the factory crash bars inside the door, since the ones on the new roll bar are MUCH MUCH better.

Why just the passenger?

Not only that, but airbags + full face helmet = bad.

Why is that?

JL ws-6
05-17-2012, 06:36 PM
air bag hits your helmet it's easier for it to break your neck, more area and the weight of the helmet getting thrown back.... not good.

sweetbmxrider
05-18-2012, 10:08 AM
I thought the bags were to slow your forward travel? There's probably some testing related to racing helmets and air bags, might have to google around and see.

69gto96z
05-18-2012, 10:15 AM
I thought the bags were to slow your forward travel? There's probably some testing related to racing helmets and air bags, might have to google around and see.

With how fast they air up, and the force of your head being thrown forward, when you hit the bag your head will be thrown backwards.

JL ws-6
05-18-2012, 11:44 AM
It's the shock of your head hitting the bag that usually throws you back a little, but when the weight of a helmet is added now there's more force on your neck. Think of your neck, as a broomstick balancing a bowling ball.. that's kind of how your head/neck is. Add more weight to the bowling ball= more neck stress.

sweetbmxrider
05-21-2012, 10:45 AM
Yup I understand your point. I want to read up on it some too. I don't think the bags are blowing your head back, more the belt pulling back and the car stopping after the collision.

JL ws-6
05-21-2012, 03:12 PM
If you have the belts tight you shouldn't move at all, just your head forward a little bit (if you have a hans device not at all)... it's when the airbag comes out and sends your head and the weight of the helmet back again, the shock is what can kill you.

End of the day.. once you have a real harness in the car and the other safety stuff, you're beyond what any factory safety equipment were meant to do and it's all meaningless.

69gto96z
05-21-2012, 08:24 PM
Yup I understand your point. I want to read up on it some too. I don't think the bags are blowing your head back, more the belt pulling back and the car stopping after the collision.

Sure they are, it's simple physics. For every action, there is an opposite and or equal reaction.

sweetbmxrider
05-22-2012, 10:25 AM
If you have the belts tight you shouldn't move at all, just your head forward a little bit (if you have a hans device not at all)... it's when the airbag comes out and sends your head and the weight of the helmet back again, the shock is what can kill you.

End of the day.. once you have a real harness in the car and the other safety stuff, you're beyond what any factory safety equipment were meant to do and it's all meaningless.

Ah yeah, I wasn't thinking in the sense of 5 points rather factory belts. I got ya.

Sure they are, it's simple physics. For every action, there is an opposite and or equal reaction.

Yes but you are talking about different speeds and masses aside from the whole car pushing you forward. If your head went back with as much energy as the bag deploying, you'd be dead. I still want to google around and learn more about this. Nothing wrong with safety education :burn:

69gto96z
05-22-2012, 11:38 AM
Very true, probably would be a good thing to look into!