Street Racing & Kill Stories - Ls1 camaro vs h22 prelude

I know a guy with a h22 prelude who is extremeley confident he can take me (my car is an 02 ls1 camaro with longtubes full exhaust and a lid). He is claiming 340 to the wheels with no nitrous or boost? How is that possible? If someone could shed some light on this i would much appreciate it. Theres no reason i should loose to a n/a h22 right?

Most ricers are pretty confident. Run him. If he wins, he wins...if he loses, he loses.

I highly doubt that lol Just run him.

Yeah im just gonna run him and see what happens. I will post results soon after.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.......this hurts.....hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha...340hp? Hahahahahaha.

Anytime anyone can just randomly come up with a number like that, spells bull shit. Please run him for cash. I'd say that would be the fastest $50 you could ever make in your life. It's funny too because in all my years of asking people "how much power do you make" I have never heard "340". Such a random number. If you make 340 hp or rwhp please post.

Thats an efficent motor there now!! thats like 2.5hp/CI for that little N/A 2.2l motor...

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.......this hurts.....hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha...340hp? Hahahahahaha.

Anytime anyone can just randomly come up with a number like that, spells bull shit. Please run him for cash. I'd say that would be the fastest $50 you could ever make in your life. It's funny too because in all my years of asking people "how much power do you make" I have never heard "340". Such a random number. If you make 340 hp or rwhp please post.

I make 352hp lol I think that's a pretty random number :guns:

lol highly unlikely there are people making over 300 on motor with honda's but they are no where near being daily drivable. Now with a power adder its very very possible.

Buddy of mine made 290 with a 13.1 compression forged k24 with cams and bolt ons on e85.

The H-series takes alot more just to get into the upper 200's on motor, just because the heads don't flow that well.

Edit: Oh and in a prelude lol, don't even sweat it.

there's a guy on Honda-tech that i was following his build he made 325hp (to the flywheel) and threw the setup in a prelude the car traps 115 and runs 11s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wldLa2eP184

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI0hBE948bs

You'll put buses on in.....run him

three83'camaro, glad you decided to delete that post.

I make 352hp lol I think that's a pretty random number :guns:

I've seen 352 before. I seriously cannot recall ever seeing a 340hp dyno sheet or claim. Simply can't. It's like you either make 330-339 or 345-350. 340-344 is just so random.

I've seen 352 before. I seriously cannot recall ever seeing a 340hp dyno sheet or claim. Simply can't. It's like you either make 330-339 or 345-350. 340-344 is just so random.

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I've seen 352 before. I seriously cannot recall ever seeing a 340hp dyno sheet or claim. Simply can't. It's like you either make 330-339 or 345-350. 340-344 is just so random.

That's a retarded ass argument.

You smoke him. Roll.dig u name it , don't waste ur gas , make it interesting runn for least 20 -50 bucks

three83'camaro, glad you decided to delete that post.

lol you like that? i saw the vids and felt stupid but seriously that is a low trap in relation to the et for a honda

Hello.

Hi.

That's a retarded ass argument.

Ok and...

lol you like that? i saw the vids and felt stupid but seriously that is a low trap in relation to the et for a honda

Lol no, thats what a 115mph trap car would run with a proper 60ft, gearing, tire size. Local guy used to trap 115 and E/T 11.5, Now he traps 117 and E/T's 11.3 in an all motor honda with a stock bottom end.

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Ok and...

And assuming just because the guy claims 340, its fake cause to hit 340 on the dyno is less than likely? Any car can make w/e it makes.

Coming from someone who has played with all motor honda's for a couple years, ill call Bullshit on the power output OP very UNLIKELY.

Your right, if they can hook... most of the hondas i see cant get out of the hole very well spinning bangging limiter what ever. hell i went 13.2 at 113 with a 2.0 60' in my beretta full suspension on 8psi and 3120# with me in it. im not disagreeing with you that trap is about right for that e.t its just kind of hard to achieve in a FWD car.

Your right, if they can hook... most of the hondas i see cant get out of the hole very well spinning bangging limiter what ever. hell i went 13.2 at 113 with a 2.0 60' in my beretta full suspension on 8psi and 3120# with me in it. just with my experiance fwd is hard and its not to often you come across one on the street that will bust you from a dig. im not disagreeing with you that trap is about right for that e.t its just kind of hard to achieve in a FWD car.

Yeah def, i agree very few people with honda's have there cars setup right (most of the people who own em are broke teenagers). All motor honda's are easier to get to hook, because they don't make as much power lol. Turbo honda's are the ones who are a bitch to get to grab. My buddies Turbo k-series has trouble doing 40 and 60 rolls with 275/55 M/T out front, full suspension, traction bars, lsd, etc...

Yeah def, i agree very few people with honda's have there cars setup right (most of the people who own em are broke teenagers). ...

This made me lol

Lol no, thats what a 115mph trap car would run with a proper 60ft, gearing, tire size. Local guy used to trap 115 and E/T 11.5, Now he traps 117 and E/T's 11.3 in an all motor honda with a stock bottom end.



And assuming just because the guy claims 340, its fake cause to hit 340 on the dyno is less than likely? Any car can make w/e it makes.

Coming from someone who has played with all motor honda's for a couple years, ill call Bullshit on the power output OP very UNLIKELY.

No, no, no. You're reading too deeply into it. Any car can make 340 hp. True. It was just funny, because 340hp is such a rare one to hear. Let alone from a honda. Possible? Yes. 340 crank is very possible on a Honda. Is it likely for this guy. Nah. Not even the slightest bit. Unless you see a tube frame chassis, I wouldn't think twice about it having that much power.

This made me lol

lol its funny but the truth. Those cars are trendy and affordable to anyone, anyone can afford to own and maintain one. Kids flock to it like flys to shit.

No, no, no. You're reading too deeply into it. Any car can make 340 hp. True. It was just funny, because 340hp is such a rare one to hear. Let alone from a honda. Possible? Yes. 340 crank is very possible on a Honda. Is it likely for this guy. Nah. Not even the slightest bit. Unless you see a tube frame chassis, I wouldn't think twice about it having that much power.

It's not really rare to hear if your aware on what all motor honda's can or cant do. What are you talking about? What does a tube chassis frame have anything to do with the power output of a motor? There are several "street class" civic's making mid 3's running in the 10s with a completely stock gutted and caged shell. The tube chassis cars are making 4's on motor. WHP too.

lol its funny but the truth. Those cars are trendy and affordable to anyone, anyone can afford to own and maintain one. Kids flock to it like flys to shit.



It's not really rare to hear if your aware on what all motor honda's can or cant do. What are you talking about? What does a tube chassis frame have anything to do with the power output of a motor? There are several "street class" civic's making mid 3's running in the 10s with a completely stock gutted and caged shell. The tube chassis cars are making 4's on motor. WHP too.

If it's a honda claiming 340hp. I'd more then likely expect to see it in a tube frame chassis or like you said a caged, gutted, all out drag car. Not some street car is what I was basically getting at. I'm not at all doubting a Honda motor has the potential. I know they do, and I know they have made these numbers. But, from someone driving a street driven H22 prelude? Ha.

OP, I HIGHLY doubt that car is making 340. With cams intake and other bolt ons, maybe 260, maybe. I haven't seen a lot of high hp NA h22 builds though, but I think you'll take him no questions asked.

If it's a honda claiming 340hp. I'd more then likely expect to see it in a tube frame chassis or like you said a caged, gutted, all out drag car. Not some street car is what I was basically getting at. I'm not at all doubting a Honda motor has the potential. I know they do, and I know they have made these numbers. But, from someone driving a street driven H22 prelude? Ha.

Yeah def not daily drivable or atleast tolerable to be street driven, but there are cars making that power but there simply made to go down the 1/4.
My buddy used to daily drive his H2B EG that car had EVERYTHING out of the interior besides a dash, 2 front seats and door panels lol. He's nuts.

OP, I HIGHLY doubt that car is making 340. With cams intake and other bolt ons, maybe 260, maybe. I haven't seen a lot of high hp NA h22 builds though, but I think you'll take him no questions asked.

Yeah would need ALOT more than just cams and stock bottom end to make 260 especially through the stock H-series trans. Buddy of mine is making 25xwhp through a b-series tranny (h2b) and skunk2 pro 1 cams and some minor head work, bolt ons and E85.

Naturally aspirated? Maybe he said 240 and you heard him wrong?? Otherwise, that was a helluva happy dyno or theres a hidden 100 shot or something. No way its a casual streetcar/DD making 340 all motor.

Thanks for all of the feedback guys. Im looking foward to this :usa:

I can see 320 balls out with a k-series too.( Finding unfound HP, N/A for these cars is like getting graced by the gods) My buddy made 290 with stock sleeves, stock stroke, and stock head port with a/c! k24 Car which is his daily. Usually the stock stroke gets maxed out around 320ish and that's when its time for a stroker setup which is risky to daily and bigger cams, like single lobes ("vtec killers) which is just untolerable to daily.

You have alot of "buddies" lol.

Smoke em

you'll be VERY hard pressed to see any H series motor making north of 275whp and be streetable...

most high compression builds with high flowing heads and premium parts on a great tune make 250ish.

not to mention stock cubic inch H22 will make less than 175wtq.

and its in a car that weights a TON (in the honda community).

You have alot of "buddies" lol.


Smoke em

Yeah lol i noticed that while i was typing, you get to know alot of different people through the local forums and through friends. I used to always be out at the meets here which is like 4 times a week so yeah. Being that ive been into em since like sophomore year in high school, the list of people you meet and hang with gets pretty big.

I can see 320 balls out with a k-series too.( Finding unfound HP, N/A for these cars is like getting graced by the gods) My buddy made 290 with stock sleeves, stock stroke, and stock head port with a/c! k24 Car which is his daily. Usually the stock stroke gets maxed out around 320ish and that's when its time for a stroker setup which is risky to daily and bigger cams, like single lobes ("vtec killers) which is just untolerable to daily.

Damn! 290 in a DD, I bet thats a fun little ride, what car is it in? Integra? Whats the absolute most youve seen anywhere from a N/A S2000 (F20/F22) and what did it run in the 1/4?

...or theres a hidden 100 shot...

hello!

If you take your sweet ass time installing and running everything, it will take someone tearing your car apart several hours to find the nitrous...

Take the 340 to heart, add your own 100 hp of insurance and go race for some cash.

I'd stay away. I ran an H22 Accord with my full bolt on T/A And he pulled HARD on me. 40-140 roll and I felt like I was standing still.

Damn! 290 in a DD, I bet thats a fun little ride, what car is it in? Integra? Whats the absolute most youve seen anywhere from a N/A S2000 (F20/F22) and what did it run in the 1/4?

Yeah its def fun especially when the turbo civics and the v8 cars get mad or over think "no way that civic was on motor". He ran a charger on a 100 shot and pulled it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXCav_dVFFs

He's parting it out to go on boost though.

Prelude making 340whp all motor? Not likely. People who make that much power out of the h series usually put them in lighter cars and are mostly track. It will need ITBs and it's pretty hard to daily with those.

a) i lol'd that the OP feared a kid in a 2.2l accord to begin with

b) there is too much honda tech in this thread, and there are too many honda videos in this thread

c) never seen a car put 340 to the tires. heard of 338.x, 339.x, seen 341.x, but never 340 on the dot, and i think thats what dude is saying. highly unlikely to see 340 on the dot, which is what the kid claimed to the OP

d) no matter how fast, quick, strong, or however else you quantify how well performing a honda is, at the end of the day, its still a goofy looking, gay sounding HONDA...

seems like you guys are over-analyzing the 340HP remark. Maybe but highly unlikely he dynoed a 338 and just rounded up to 340 when someone asks him. I don't believe he has 340 or 338 or even north of 300HP but when I had my old project dynoed at 223 RWHP I just said 225 to round up. What's a couple of HP?? It could be the difference of fresh oil or the temperature outside. :usa:

Sure would like to hear the results of this. But I'll bet when OP takes him up on it, his buddy will back out.

OP will destroy the Prelude, if the race ever happens. Then after, its going to be the excuses fest for the Honda kid.

The OP also doesn't mention if the Honda has a reputation as a V8 killer. A 340 horse N/A front wheel drive Honda would have a huge rep in the local street scene and would be putting away cars every night. If nobody local has heard of this kid or the badass honda chances are it's BS and doesn't exist.

So did this race ever go down?

I had one, you will eat it, there quicker than rsx- type S b.c mine beat one (but by a fender). There was a local honda forum member whos, h22 made 450+ but that is with boost. He is not making 350 probably not even 250, do not sweat it

The OP also doesn't mention if the Honda has a reputation as a V8 killer. A 340 horse N/A front wheel drive Honda would have a huge rep in the local street scene and would be putting away cars every night. If nobody local has heard of this kid or the badass honda chances are it's BS and doesn't exist.

x2 what I thought.


So what was the outcome of the race?

I've seen 352 before. I seriously cannot recall ever seeing a 340hp dyno sheet or claim. Simply can't. It's like you either make 330-339 or 345-350. 340-344 is just so random.

If it's a honda claiming 340hp. I'd more then likely expect to see it in a tube frame chassis or like you said a caged, gutted, all out drag car. Not some street car is what I was basically getting at. I'm not at all doubting a Honda motor has the potential. I know they do, and I know they have made these numbers. But, from someone driving a street driven H22 prelude? Ha.
You really are this stupid aren't you? I would hate to have to be around your for long than 2-3 minutes a day.
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c) never seen a car put 340 to the tires. heard of 338.x, 339.x, seen 341.x, but never 340 on the dot, and i think thats what dude is saying. highly unlikely to see 340 on the dot, which is what the kid claimed to the OP
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So every time I told people I make 370Rwhp, I was lying immediately in their eyes... Because on my dyno sheet it actually said 377.45?

You fucking serious? I have NEVER heard anyone say I made three hundred and forty six point four Rwhp. Absolutely retarded... Usually people round up or down a few rwhp... 300-305-310-315-320 etc..

no jack ass, they'd say 377. at least thats how it is here in texas, california, maryland, hawaii, and the middle east. maybe in the hills of TN you have to keep numbers down to two significant digits or people get confused, but not most everywhere else, and thats what dudes is saying. , the guy apparently claimed to hit 340 on the dot. not 339, not 338, 340.000 on the dot, and he and i are both saying thats BS, no way he hit that number on the dot. we are saying he, like you just said you do, rounded the number. and yes, everywhere else, you'd be considered a lieing sack of shit. i mean, dont they teach rounding in like the second grade? even they know 377 would round to 380, not 370.

So you're saying 340 is an impossible number to hit? That's fucking retarded.

no jack ass, they'd say 377. at least thats how it is here in texas, california, maryland, hawaii, and the middle east. maybe in the hills of TN you have to keep numbers down to two significant digits or people get confused, but not most everywhere else, and thats what dudes is saying. , the guy apparently claimed to hit 340 on the dot. not 339, not 338, 340.000 on the dot, and he and i are both saying thats BS, no way he hit that number on the dot. we are saying he, like you just said you do, rounded the number. and yes, everywhere else, you'd be considered a lieing sack of shit. i mean, dont they teach rounding in like the second grade? even they know 377 would round to 380, not 370.

Yes, because TN is the only place I have talked cars. Perfect.

In the car world..... 377Rw actually rounds to 350Rw, get with the program.

Just like I dono't have a 370, I'm going to round down to a stock bottom end lq9.

Yea, NO WAY could someone hit 340 on the dot... That is unicorn level shit. That ass hole. 341..... Sure... 340, what a dip shit. He gave himself away. :)

If I spin 4 wheels any combination is statistically just as likely as the next. Be it 444.4, 123.4, or 340.0

It is a mental illusion to think patterned, whole, or "special" (ie 777 or 666) number is less likely than a more "random" looking number.

...That is unicorn level shit...

:cheers: thats some funny shit. OP should tell the dude that. i love it!!

Hondas rule

:cheers: thats some funny shit. OP should tell the dude that. i love it!!

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I think some people are wrapping their heads around my post a bit too much.

Slowpoke you should really think before you post and chill out the name calling which you can't even spell correctly.

technically you could have a 600hp peak and tell ppl you only dynoed 421...granted it was at 4700rpm, it's still not lying.

racing dyno sheets is lame anyway. who gives a fuck. if you want to talk shit about someone else's car, you best be doing your homework before the shit talking starts. most ppl will embellish their dyno results anyway. i am the opposite. i fucking loved having a 317whp car that went 12.0 with a 3700lb raceweight.

dumbest argument ive ever read...

my car made 340 to the wheels on a mustang dyno... i guess i should play the powerball huh

My car at one time put down 310/320 .... i must be double lucky. :bang::bang::bang::bang::bang: You guys crack me up.

no jack ass, they'd say 377. at least thats how it is here in texas, california, maryland, hawaii, and the middle east. maybe in the hills of TN you have to keep numbers down to two significant digits or people get confused, but not most everywhere else, and thats what dudes is saying. , the guy apparently claimed to hit 340 on the dot. not 339, not 338, 340.000 on the dot, and he and i are both saying thats BS, no way he hit that number on the dot. we are saying he, like you just said you do, rounded the number. and yes, everywhere else, you'd be considered a lieing sack of shit. i mean, dont they teach rounding in like the second grade? even they know 377 would round to 380, not 370.



Smartest person in the world....ever....

so did this race happen? i want to hear how bad the honda got raped

No, they were supposed to meet a 3:40pm, but everyone assumed he was rounding and showed up at 3:45 :confused:. By the time everyone rounded off, it was all too late. Race turned out dead in the water because of this.

I'd stay away. I ran an H22 Accord with my full bolt on T/A And he pulled HARD on me. 40-140 roll and I felt like I was standing still.

This. I suffered the same fate.

That would really hurt I think, watchin' those tail lights pull away. Losing is losing, but those would just be hard ones to look at for me.