Multimedia Exchange - 2013 GT500 goes 11.83@123 Stock

With Evan Smith driving :judge:

ZR1 Killer No
Z06 Killer No
GTR Killer No
ZL1 Killer Yes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU1ym8nUOUs

Sounds/runs good!

While i think there's still a faster run in them I wouldn't call a pass a "tenth" faster a "kill" by any means especially since its a coupe hundred pounds lighter with an extra 90hp. Now if you search some more there's a rumor about it going down into the 11.50s but then again it should (IMO) be even faster since it does have so much in its favor but slicks will show the true potential of this beast.

Defenitly not a zl1 killer considering the zl1 ran a 11.93 with less horsepower and more weight......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3juGH4y0Yms&feature=youtube_gdata_player

11.93 with drag radials though. The description in the video of the gt500 says stock tires.

Stock for stock, it's a ZL1 killer. Interested to see how the two do on a race track together.

Stock for stock, it's a ZL1 killer. Interested to see how the two do on a race track together.

This.

I like the car a lot and it's a solid pass but I expected better.

Defenitly not a zl1 killer considering the zl1 ran a 11.93 with less horsepower and more weight......
http://www.&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Look at trap speeds (ZL1 115-119, GT500 121-125+). The ZL1 is woefully outclassed. Wait for the next Gen....:judge:

Ya if your in a stock zl1 do not jack with a 13 Gt500 on the interstate.

That's awesome crazy how such heavy cars are trapping this MPH right out the box. Haven't been following them but does anyone know if the super snake is really in production?

i'd like to know what tires were on the GT500, nice run though!

So with 357 more HP it can only muster 1sec better than Evan Smith did in a ls1 z28......that kinda sucks.

Strong video quality

Nice quality video

Strong video quality

You're aware? You misc brah?

That video sucked....

You're aware? You misc brah?

I am aware brah

That vid was garbage, i couldnt tell if it was a gt500 or a crown vic lol,pretty impressive if thats a bone stock gt500 on street tires,this car will be a beast with a tune/pulley/tire should for sure be in the 10 second range

I am aware brah

Bert stare, chit just got real brah.

This was after 35 hot laps!!! Please note that the highest trap of that day (after some ice) was 129!

Defenitly not a zl1 killer considering the zl1 ran a 11.93 with less horsepower and more weight......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3juGH4y0Yms&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Wtf are you on? The car ran sub 11.8s at 125+. Let me know when the ZL1 traps 120+ that with stock tires...

When a car has big hp, street tires really become a limiting factor, especially on a manual car. My Cobra's best on regular street tires is almost 2 seconds slower than it's best on ET Streets.

this is as true today as it was back in 1988 when this video was first recorded with a calculator watch.

this is as true today as it was back in 1988 when this video was first recorded with a calculator watch.

Now that's funny. Evan Smith is driving a new GT500 and nobody thought to bring a real camera?

you mean you guys dont film imporant record breaking runs with your toaster?

you mean you guys dont film imporant record breaking runs with your toaster?

Looks more like a potato was used.

Wtf are you on? The car ran sub 11.8s at 125+. Let me know when the ZL1 traps 120+ that with stock tires...

Did some research, damn Chevy dissapoints. Car is to overpriced. & they needa put the camaro on a diet

Look at trap speeds (ZL1 115-119, GT500 121-125+). The ZL1 is woefully outclassed. Wait for the next Gen....:judge:

This man speaks the truth MPH = HP, 117 and 123 are a BIg difference at the recetrack. I'm a LS guy but you can argue with the numbers,

Well from a roll it's very clear the gt500 will walk the zl1 but from stop light to stop light the auto zl1 should get the manual gt500 with your average drivers and street tires. Now before you guys start saying how "hard you launch your manual car" just remember most drivers can't and a auto car is king when it comes to easy consistent launches.

Now for you guys that say most of us judge cars by a drag race and not the road course I mostly agree but I believe most "drag races" are on the street so the gt500 my be the strip king but the zl1 will be the street king so...........

Bert stare, chit just got real brah.

Miscers gettin their jimmies rustled up in here.

Miscers gettin their jimmies rustled up in here.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUARK miscers are everywhere

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2g0v3ERSj1r9uw79.gif

Well from a roll it's very clear the gt500 will walk the zl1 but from stop light to stop light the auto zl1 should get the manual gt500 with your average drivers and street tires. Now before you guys start saying how "hard you launch your manual car" just remember most drivers can't and a auto car is king when it comes to easy consistent launches.

Now for you guys that say most of us judge cars by a drag race and not the road course I mostly agree but I believe most "drag races" are on the street so the gt500 my be the strip king but the zl1 will be the street king so...........


Sub 11.8s vs 12.0-12.5 (ok and ONE hero run of sub 12s)??? Where is your logic here? Last I checked, the car that runs the lower et is quickest.

^hes talking about on the street. Big difference between the street and the track.


Just because the zl1 has less horsepower and isn't a drag king doesn't mean its a piece of shit. Some of you guys are so fucking stupid it's unreal.

^hes talking about on the street. Big difference between the street and the track.


Just because the zl1 has less horsepower and isn't a drag king doesn't mean its a piece of shit. Some of you guys are so fucking stupid it's unreal.

Correct. I misread.

Sub 11.8s vs 12.0-12.5 (ok and ONE hero run of sub 12s)??? Where is your logic here? Last I checked, the car that runs the lower et is quickest.

I believe most of the the mid 12 second runs we're done by shops trying to promote their upgrades and the vast improvement over stock which we all know is bs on their part. Also I was in no way saying that it's faster then a gt500 because even though I'm a GM guy im smart enough to see the truth but like I said a fast auto most of the time is faster then a quicker stick car from a dig on the street which is why I worded it the way I did since I would rather have ten street kills over one track lose.

Also on a side note there has been more then "ONE" hero run of 11's in a "STOCK" zl1 so do some more searching my friend.

This was after 35 hot laps!!! Please note that the highest trap of that day (after some ice) was 129!

129mph, really?
Sounds like it would give a C6Z a run for its money.

This was after 35 hot laps!!! Please note that the highest trap of that day (after some ice) was 129!

Where did you see that?

Update

Motortrend Runs 11.6@125.7 in a bone stock 2013 GT500

Like I said....ZL1 Killer. There is no doubt about that

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1205_2013_ford_shelby_gt500_first_test/

129mph, really?
Sounds like it would give a C6Z a run for its money.

Where did you see that?

It was on svtp, a guy on there was one of the people who got to drive one. He ran it twice, one was a 11.7@129 and the other was a 11.5 @ 127. He is a really good driver not the average editor like on car and driver who was driving them

That is a very strong running car. Nice work, Ford. :cheers:

I believe most of the the mid 12 second runs we're done by shops trying to promote their upgrades and the vast improvement over stock which we all know is bs on their part. Also I was in no way saying that it's faster then a gt500 because even though I'm a GM guy im smart enough to see the truth but like I said a fast auto most of the time is faster then a quicker stick car from a dig on the street which is why I worded it the way I did since I would rather have ten street kills over one track lose.

Also on a side note there has been more then "ONE" hero run of 11's in a "STOCK" zl1 so do some more searching my friend.

No sir you need to do more research. Ive been on camaro5 for a while now in both Shelby ZL1 threads. There has been NO PROOF of an 11sec BONE STOCK time from a ZL1. Only a 11.9 CLAIM from GM. No documentation or video of the pass. They had a camaro5 member there when they ran the 11.9 and he said he watched them put a fresh pair of Nittos drag radials on the car bc they were determained to get a 11sec pass out of it. The rest of the passes were mid 12's on factory tires @ around 116mph.

I dare you to provide proof of a single case where a ZL1 made a 11sec pass BONE STOCK (factory tires)

116mph vs 125-129mph is HUGE.

Also Nite you should edit youre OP. This car will indeed be capable of beating a Z06 and GTR. Its def a drivers race and id give the edge to the Shelby from a roll.

im not impressed for 650 hp just my .02 cents i bet my cam car would drag it on the street

im not impressed for 650 hp just my .02 cents i bet my cam car would drag it on the street

Its 662hp.

I bet theres a car with less mods and hp that will drag your car too...Whats your point?

I bet your car would drag a ferrari, does that make your car better???

Its a serious question.

No sir you need to do more research. Ive been on camaro5 for a while now in both Shelby ZL1 threads. There has been NO PROOF of an 11sec BONE STOCK time from a ZL1. Only a 11.9 CLAIM from GM. No documentation or video of the pass. They had a camaro5 member there when they ran the 11.9 and he said he watched them put a fresh pair of Nittos drag radials on the car bc they were determained to get a 11sec pass out of it. The rest of the passes were mid 12's on factory tires @ around 116mph.

I dare you to provide proof of a single case where a ZL1 made a 11sec pass BONE STOCK (factory tires)


Since you believe a member of the forum over GM then there's no point to further dispute it with you but on the other i dare you to prove GM a liar. So until that day I stand behind my previous comment and I will go on enjoying the zl1 and gt500 battle knowing that BOTH will whip any DODGE.....May not be first but atleast were not last!!!!!

Since you believe a member of the forum over GM then there's no point to further dispute it with you but on the other i dare you to prove GM a liar. So until that day I stand behind my previous comment and I will go on enjoying the zl1 and gt500 battle knowing that BOTH will whip any DODGE.....May not be first but atleast were not last!!!!!


Exactly what i thought. U made a claim and cant back it up. So if ford says tomorrow that they nailed a 10.7@131mph on street tires i guess we should all just run with that bc thats what they CLAIM right?? Lol!

You claim that theyre more than one bone stock ZL1's that has ran in the 11's and ive called you out on your claim. Just admit like a MAN that you CANT prove it. Why? Cause it has never happened. Just jump on camaro5 for 5min and you would know that instead of just pulling stuff out of ur you know what.

And ANY Dodge huh?? Even a DODGE Viper? or how about a DODGE Challenger Drag Pak?? Once again you sir have put your foot in your mouth. Try thinking before you talk/type. I know its hard but give it a shot. It will save you from a lot of embarrassment. :)

Here ill even help you. Heres a link to the thread where GM engineers claim that they ran an 11.9 on street tires and posted a video of them racing at the track. One thing tho. In the video it shows the engineers mounting DRAG RADIALS clear as day. They wanted to make a big deal about the car running a 11.9 on street tires, had a film crew out there but some how doesnt have any footage of the 11sec pass where its visable its on street tires. Just read thread. Its full of pissed off CAMARO and ZL1 owners calling BS. Enjoy.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221434

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBefU6CIr5Q

Correct me if I'm wrong but, I thought livernois motor sports ran a hand full of 11 sec passes with there zl1 in stock form.

Its 662hp.

I bet theres a car with less mods and hp that will drag your car too...Whats your point?

I bet your car would drag a ferrari, does that make your car better???

Its a serious question.

It's been done allready lol guy was pissed I love my bottle and too me yep it sure does

Correct me if I'm wrong but, I thought livernois motor sports ran a hand full of 11 sec passes with there zl1 in stock form.

No 11sec passes have been made stock. Than have made 11 sec passes with at least a tune and tires.

Props to ford on the gt500.

Wish GM would pull its head out of the sand, put the tvs2300 on the zl1 or at least up the boost on its current tvs1900 to 14 to 16lbs.

I guess there isn't really much argument, the new gt500 is clearly faster, but some guys posting are acting as if the zl1 is in the same power range as the 13' gt500,& clearly its not, so of course it's gonna be quicker, but what I do remeber is that the 13' gt500 was built to beat the zl1, while the zl1's main deal was to compete against the 2012 gt500 (550hp),

The new GT500 is amazing. No doubt in my mind someone will get into the 10s with just a tire and good air. As for the GT500 vs ZL1, that's a moot argument. The ZL1 is by far out matched. Just the way it is my fellow GM friends.

Its 662hp.

I bet theres a car with less mods and hp that will drag your car too...Whats your point?

I bet your car would drag a ferrari, does that make your car better???

Its a serious question.

So when are you going to stop trolling the GM forums and pony-up and buy a Mustang?

Serious question. :)

Its 662hp.

I bet theres a car with less mods and hp that will drag your car too...Whats your point?

I bet your car would drag a ferrari, does that make your car better???

Its a serious question.

So the Gt500 will have no problem beating the ZL1 in a drag race, does that make the gt500 a better car?


Its a serious question.

Wish GM would pull its head out of the sand, put the tvs2300 on the zl1 or at least up the boost on its current tvs1900 to 14 to 16lbs.

Gm also has the ZR1. It has to regulate the power on the camaro because the vette is its flagship.

The new GT500 is amazing. No doubt in my mind someone will get into the 10s with just a tire and good air. As for the GT500 vs ZL1, that's a moot argument. The ZL1 is by far out matched. Just the way it is my fellow GM friends.



So when are you going to stop trolling the GM forums and pony-up and buy a Mustang?

Serious question. :)

Lol! Im a car guy period. No matter what make i own i will be on every type of forum talking cars.

Im actually up in the air on my next ride.
C5Z
5.0
Or and built f body that runs 9's or better. Really cant beat the f body since ypu can find those all the time for 15k or less. And im not loyal to any brand, i just wanna go fast, real fast.

So the Gt500 will have no problem beating the ZL1 in a drag race, does that make the gt500 a better car?


Its a serious question.

Well since it has more hp, more tq, quicker 0-60, quicker/faster in the 1/4 mile, much better fuel economy, and its base price is actually cheaper than a ZL1, yes i would have to say its a better car. Actually a much better car.

And that was a serious answer with serious FACTS. :)

im not impressed for 650 hp just my .02 cents i bet my cam car would drag it on the street

wow. you could even beat it if its running 315 DR's and similar mods to you? you must be making 1k hp. cuz thats what it will take -apples to apples to beat a car like this. you think owners who race it are gonna run you with 285's?

GOTHEMI?- Well sir you have proven that you try way hard to be the alpha male on the Internet guess you don't have that at home huh?

1. You provided the proof for me with 2 cars that went 11's based on GM
2. The viper goes against the corvette I was referring to the pony cars but I guess next time I'll clarify that for the Simpletons.
3. The "drag pack"is a race only package that can't be directly compared to a street car so that was a FAIL!!!
4. ^^^^COPO CAMARO if wanna go there and the mustang cobra jet so once DODGE=LAST
5. Like I said before I'm sticking to what GM claims right or wrong and if I am wrong then I apologize to all that wasted their time reading my post.

GOTHEMI?- Well sir you have proven that you try way hard to be the alpha male on the Internet guess you don't have that at home huh?

1. You provided the proof for me with 2 cars that went 11's based on GM
2. The viper goes against the corvette I was referring to the pony cars but I guess next time I'll clarify that for the Simpletons.
3. The "drag pack"is a race only package that can't be directly compared to a street car so that was a FAIL!!!
4. ^^^^COPO CAMARO if wanna go there and the mustang cobra jet so once DODGE=LAST
5. Like I said before I'm sticking to what GM claims right or wrong and if I am wrong then I apologize to all that wasted their time reading my post.

1. I provided you with proof that GM ran 11.9's with two ZL1's on drag radials. (not bone stock)
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4. You said that the ZL1 would beat ANY Dodge. Whether its street legal or not its still a Dodge. I just took your words for exactly what they were.

As for the drag pak, put it up against any NA package car and watch it stomp the crap outta them. Even the supercharged cobra jets arent that much faster than the V10 powered challenger. Besided iirc they are in different classes. Dodge kicks ass in its class and so does ford. Chevy will be in both classes i think, we'll see how that goes.

I think both cars are awesome and I like all domestic performance cars.... but stock for stock, the Shelby should make more power and beat the ZL1

I would hope the Shelby makes more power though, it's a bigger blower with a smaller pulley than the ZL1.

-Rick

I think both cars are awesome and I like all domestic performance cars.... but stock for stock, the Shelby should make more power and beat the ZL1

I would hope the Shelby makes more power though, it's a bigger blower with a smaller pulley than the ZL1.

-Rick


Were you attempting to quote me earlier?????

the 13 gt500 is rumored to be running 7:30's around the ring...

i cannot recall what forum i read it on... but it was a rumor

Well since it has more hp, more tq, quicker 0-60, quicker/faster in the 1/4 mile, much better fuel economy, and its base price is actually cheaper than a ZL1, yes i would have to say its a better car. Actually a much better car.

And that was a serious answer with serious FACTS. :)


Better fuel economy? I just looked and they get about the same. Too close to declare a winner on that front. Both get teens in the city and low 20s on the highway. I did noticed Chevy claims lower. No body buys these cars for that though.

The ZL1 would have more power but it has the ZR1 in its way.




So the GT500 beats it in power and straight line performance. The only thing you fans boys have is that the car makes 662 and is fast in a straight line.


And no Im not a ZL1 nuthugger. In fact, I dont like the 5th gens at all. I would rather have the Mustang but you some of you guys make it sound like the ZL! is a huge piece of shit

Better fuel economy? I just looked and they get about the same. Too close to declare a winner on that front. Both get teens in the city and low 20s on the highway. I did noticed Chevy claims lower. No body buys these cars for that though.

The ZL1 would have more power but it has the ZR1 in its way.




So the GT500 beats it in power and straight line performance. The only thing you fans boys have is that the car makes 662 and is fast in a straight line.


And no Im not a ZL1 nuthugger. In fact, I dont like the 5th gens at all. I would rather have the Mustang but you some of you guys make it sound like the ZL! is a huge piece of shit

LOL

I drive a dodge but im a ford fanboy?? Makes a lot of sense.

The info you looked up is WRONG!! The ZL1 does NOT hit 20's on the highway. Ever stop and ask yourself why doesnt the Shelby have the gas guzzler tax and the ZL1 does?? Duuuuhhhhh let me think... Lol

Yes no one buy these cars bc of fuel economy but it doesnt hurt to have it with almost 100more hp. It also doesnt hurt to have over $2000 more in your pocket from not having to pay the gg tax.

ZL1- city 14 hwy 19
GT500- city 15 hwy 24

Oh and the car is the FIRST pony car to be capable of 200+ mph out of the box. Just another reason why its a much better car. And yes straight line performance means everything. Tell me, when the last time you ran a road course??? Also tell me how many road course threads there are on here vs drag strip threads. GET REAL.

Im also not saying the ZL1 is a pos, just compared to the GT500 it may seem like a pos.LOL

The fact that you dont want to admit the Shelby is the better car (even tho i know you know it is) screams that your a good ole Chevy fan boy. :)

Well FWIW:

Equal boost out of each setup yeilds some damn close racing. (Wish the ZL1 had the TVS2300!!!)

LMR = Still on stock stall and street tires!


I know this isn't stock but pretty close comparison of what could happen if the general would quit playing around!!!!!!

http://www.lsxtv.com/news/video-lmr-modified-zl1-on-the-dyno-and-at-the-dragstrip/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ATdRgnMZoq4#!



put a TVS2300 on the LS7 = 2013 ZR1
Revamped cam LS9 = 2013 ZL1

WTF are they waiting for!

1. I provided you with proof that GM ran 11.9's with two ZL1's on drag radials. (not bone stock)
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4. You said that the ZL1 would beat ANY Dodge. Whether its street legal or not its still a Dodge. I just took your words for exactly what they were.

As for the drag pak, put it up against any NA package car and watch it stomp the crap outta them. Even the supercharged cobra jets arent that much faster than the V10 powered challenger. Besided iirc they are in different classes. Dodge kicks ass in its class and so does ford. Chevy will be in both classes i think, we'll see how that goes.

1. Either the video is up and YOU can't prove that their pass was with dr not stock tires so I'm sticking with GM on that one.
2. I corrected my previous statement about ANY DODGE since you couldn't see where I was going and dodge still lose's so.....
3. As a drag only option the COPO is way better since it doesn't limit you to only one class and gives the ability to buy all 3 engines with the car as one package.
4. Don't cry about fastest N/A car just because your dodge with 512ci has a hard time with a Lil 5.3 with the small blower not even the big blower version. Because if that's the way your going to argue then the ZL1 would be better then the GT500 "IF" it was lighter with the same power, see how that works yeah it doesn't.
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There I left those open so you can have the last word and feel better about yourself.

the 13 gt500 is rumored to be running 7:30's around the ring...

i cannot recall what forum i read it on... but it was a rumor

You would think the GT500 would be faster there since are alot of high speed sections and ford has proved that sucker will roll on the ZL1 by the traps speeds in the quarter so I could only imagine what it would do from a roll.

I do think it's funny how some Chevy guys dismiss the GT500 as a good handling car and some Ford guys dismiss the ZL1 because it's not as fast in the quarter. Now if that GT500 had the performance pack that's almost 10 g's more then I say the ZL1 is stock for stock better on the road course plus it will be a easier driving car when equipped with the auto which alot of people will appreciate and is an option ford should add to their arsenal of tricks.

1. Either the video is up and YOU can't prove that their pass was with dr not stock tires so I'm sticking with GM on that one.
2. I corrected my previous statement about ANY DODGE since you couldn't see where I was going and dodge still lose's so.....
3. As a drag only option the COPO is way better since it doesn't limit you to only one class and gives the ability to buy all 3 engines with the car as one package.
4. Don't cry about fastest N/A car just because your dodge with 512ci has a hard time with a Lil 5.3 with the small blower not even the big blower version. Because if that's the way your going to argue then the ZL1 would be better then the GT500 "IF" it was lighter with the same power, see how that works yeah it doesn't.
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There I left those open so you can have the last word and feel better about yourself.

So since you know what the Copo can beat how about you release some numbers. For all three engines. What kinda ets and mph are these cars seeing?

Also if the little 5.3 with a little blower is so much of a light weight how come its not the entry level engine???

Instead of putting the v10 against the blown 5.3 how about you keep it apples to apples. Ya kno, na vs na. As in 427 (ls7) vs V10. I promise you it wont be pretty for the copo...

So since you know what the Copo can beat how about you release some numbers. For all three engines. What kinda ets and mph are these cars seeing?

Also if the little 5.3 with a little blower is so much of a light weight how come its not the entry level engine???

Instead of putting the v10 against the blown 5.3 how about you keep it apples to apples. Ya kno, na vs na. As in 427 (ls7) vs V10. I promise you it wont be pretty for the copo...

Pretty Bold statement!

Incase you didnt know the 427 Ls7 ran faster in testing than the 5.3/2.9L whipple car.

So since you know what the Copo can beat how about you release some numbers. For all three engines. What kinda ets and mph are these cars seeing?

Also if the little 5.3 with a little blower is so much of a light weight how come its not the entry level engine???

Instead of putting the v10 against the blown 5.3 how about you keep it apples to apples. Ya kno, na vs na. As in 427 (ls7) vs V10. I promise you it wont be pretty for the copo...

Ha if you think the 427 is a slouch that's just silly and if the dodge can't beat it with an extra two cylinders and 85ci then it will be another sad day for mopar fans. I guess time will only tell huh? But it still comes down to the motors offered by the manufactures so it's Chevys choice to choose which motor not yours because if they had a boosted v10 it would a different argument for you.

Put down the motortrend and get back to us when you actually know something about cars.

^^^ Me? If so please explain your reasoning behind your comment if not disregard this comment.

Not you, gothemi? On mobile, can't quote.

I wouldn't mind knowing if these GT500s being tested are base models or models with the SVT Performance & Track Upgrade packages?

Not you, gothemi? On mobile, can't quote.
I see thank you for clarifying sir.
I wouldn't mind knowing if these GT500s being tested are base models or models with the SVT Performance & Track Upgrade packages?
Oooo....That would be good and bad if it did have the pack because it would be even heavier and still that fast (the good) but on the flip side that puts a much bigger price tag compared to the ZL1 which evens it up a little when comparing performance for the $$$(the bad) but it's probably the base model GT500 which is nasty either way.

According to Motor Trend, "Prices as tested $64,000.00+ on the GT500"

Well FWIW:

Equal boost out of each setup yeilds some damn close racing. (Wish the ZL1 had the TVS2300!!!)

LMR = Still on stock stall and street tires!


I know this isn't stock but pretty close comparison of what could happen if the general would quit playing around!!!!!!

http://www.lsxtv.com/news/video-lmr-modified-zl1-on-the-dyno-and-at-the-dragstrip/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ATdRgnMZoq4#!



put a TVS2300 on the LS7 = 2013 ZR1
Revamped cam LS9 = 2013 ZL1

WTF are they waiting for! Your forgetting that the same psi with a smaller blower isnt the same as a bigger blower so it's still not the same but we don't have a bigger blower yet so that is a pretty cool comparison even though the mph was still really low but most times a auto car will mph less but it shouldn't be that low.

Put down the motortrend and get back to us when you actually know something about cars.

LMAO Son if you only knew...GTF with that weak ass chit.

Ok so ive seen the ls7 performed better in testing. To know that one would have to know what they tested at. I asked for numbers but didnt get anything. Sounds like its just more talk coming out of asses.

If that is indeed the case what a dumb ass mistake by GM. Heres a cheaper entry level engine thats faster than the more expensive engine above it. Great for for consumers, horrible for gm.

Also if thats the case bring on that WEAK ass BLOWN 5.3. I got somethig for its ass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvup1r5O08k

And yes this is from my own personal page. Every video i own. This is not my car but i can set up races for it just like its my own. Wheres that damn motor trend book i would love read about fast cars... :)

I might be the only one, but I am not impressed that any car that costs what the ZL1 or GT500 cost only does mid to high 11's? I was expecting a bit more.

Ok so ive seen the ls7 performed better in testing. To know that one would have to know what they tested at. I asked for numbers but didnt get anything. Sounds like its just more talk coming out of asses.

If that is indeed the case what a dumb ass mistake by GM. Heres a cheaper entry level engine thats faster than the more expensive engine above it. Great for for consumers, horrible for gm.

Also if thats the case bring on that WEAK ass BLOWN 5.3. I got somethig for its ass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvup1r5O08k

And yes this is from my own personal page. Every video i own. This is not my car but i can set up races for it just like its my own. Wheres that damn motor trend book i would love read about fast cars... :)

Give yourself about 4 to 5 weeks and the COPOs will be on the track, then do some more talking.

Our COPO #26 is expected to be completed in late august. First 5 COPOs should be out in June.

http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1205_2013_ford_shelby_gt500_first_test/road_test_data_and_specs.html

^ price as tested $64,770

Give yourself about 4 to 5 weeks and the COPOs will be on the track, then do some more talking.

Our COPO #26 is expected to be completed in late august. First 5 COPOs should be out in June.

Well then let the games begin.

Oh yeah, well the ZL1 has run upper 9's with just the following:

CAI,
full exhaust
pullies
heat exchanger
cam
heads
full drag suspension
tires
tuning

...oh wait. Nevermind.

Don't be sad. The ZL1 is only about 8mph behind the GT500. With the addition of a V-Tak sticker and a Tornado, it's a driver's race.

Ill take the gt500 any day of the week, so many GM mongers can't own up to the fact that ford made an awesome car.

LOL at people with no real ties to either company, arguing about cars that they will probably never drive, let alone own, just because they own a completely different car by said company.

Oh yeah, well the ZL1 has run upper 9's with just the following:

CAI,
full exhaust
pullies
heat exchanger
cam
heads
full drag suspension
tires
tuning

...oh wait. Nevermind.

Don't be sad. The ZL1 is only about 8mph behind the GT500. With the addition of a V-Tak sticker and a Tornado, it's a driver's race.

Where do you get full drag suspension from, it clearly states 100% stock suspension.

Gm also has the ZR1. It has to regulate the power on the camaro because the vette is its flagship.

no, no they don't.

Better fuel economy? I just looked and they get about the same. Too close to declare a winner on that front. Both get teens in the city and low 20s on the highway. I did noticed Chevy claims lower. No body buys these cars for that though.

The ZL1 would have more power but it has the ZR1 in its way.




So the GT500 beats it in power and straight line performance. The only thing you fans boys have is that the car makes 662 and is fast in a straight line.


And no Im not a ZL1 nuthugger. In fact, I dont like the 5th gens at all. I would rather have the Mustang but you some of you guys make it sound like the ZL! is a huge piece of shit

no, tyhey do not get about the same. otherwise the camaro wouldn't have the gas guzzler tax...or the shelby would.

Give yourself about 4 to 5 weeks and the COPOs will be on the track, then do some more talking.

Our COPO #26 is expected to be completed in late august. First 5 COPOs should be out in June.

how did we get onto the COPO's, which we all know are not street cars........


also, how do they compare to the cobrajets?

Where do you get full drag suspension from, it clearly states 100% stock suspension.

I stand corrected.

Ill take the gt500 any day of the week, so many GM mongers can't own up to the fact that ford made an awesome car. Yeah but theirs also alot of ford nutswingers that feel the ZL1 is garbage because it isn't as fast as a GT500 so it rolls or should I say trolls both ways.

LOL at people with no real ties to either company, arguing about cars that they will probably never drive, let alone own, just because they own a completely different car by said company.
Guess we need to do some test drives or we can't talk about all the new cars that come out huh?
no, no they don't.
Ok this will be the second time I'm going to ask your reason for saying thàt maybe this time you will answer? Why would they take a car that has been their alpha car for all these years and just kick it to the side for a pony car?

Yeah but theirs also alot of ford nutswingers that feel the ZL1 is garbage because it isn't as fast as a GT500 so it rolls or should I say trolls both ways.


Guess we need to do some test drives or we can't talk about all the new cars that come out huh?

Ok this will be the second time I'm going to ask your reason for saying thàt maybe this time you will answer? Why would they take a car that has been their alpha car for all these years and just kick it to the side for a pony car?

i don't think i've seen a single person in here call the zl1 garbage.

possibly i missed tghe first time you asked me.........but they do not have the vette as a limiting factor, because they are two different cars, aimed at two demographics.

those of you that think the vette limits what gm can do with the camaro are over thinking things.

Guess we need to do some test drives or we can't talk about all the new cars that come out huh?

Talk about, ya, people can and do that all the time. These people in here though making up excuses left and right for either car as though they designed the damn thing.....that's what's funny. The ZL1 is clearly outmatched. The people claiming otherwise just because they have some misguided brand loyalty to GM is ridiculous. GM doesn't care about you at a personal level. They care about selling cars, and having cars with the least amount of liability as possible. But yet, there are people out there that get brainwashed into buying only GM or buying only Ford. Man, if I could only make a product that developed a brainwashed following where I don't actually have to provide the best product because people believe it's the best no matter what. I guess GM is doing something right....and it's not the ZL1.

Seems like the GM faithful just can't stand to be "one upped".


I don't think the ZL1 is garbage, I just think that GM thought all they had to do was better than the 2011 GT500.

Seems like the GM faithful just can't stand to be "one upped".


I don't think the ZL1 is garbage, I just think that GM thought all they had to do was better than the 2011 GT500.

Exactly. They also did a whole lot of chest pumping, and smack talking. Now they have to deal with the back lash of those actions.

Funny this is, the ZL1 is no faster than the 12 Shelby. So it failed at that also.

Yeah but theirs also alot of ford nutswingers that feel the ZL1 is garbage because it isn't as fast as a GT500 so it rolls or should I say trolls both ways.


Lol not one person called the ZL1 garbage, even if they have, do you own one? Who cares? it just failed to perform anywhere near the gt500. That's all. Im not a brand monger so i can say ford made an awesome car, who ever thinks otherwise is in denial, who wouldn't want a car that is capable of those trap speeds stock? and even if you don't like it for w.e reason, it still a awesome car.

Exactly. They also did a whole lot of chest pumping, and smack talking. Now they have to deal with the back lash of those actions.

Funny this is, the ZL1 is no faster than the 12 Shelby. So it failed at that also.

Big deal the car is a little slower, it should be. They are both nice cars with tons of potential.

Lol not one person called the ZL1 garbage, even if they have, do you own one? Who cares? it just failed to perform anywhere near the gt500. That's all. Im not a brand monger so i can say ford made an awesome car, who ever thinks otherwise is in denial, who wouldn't want a car that is capable of those trap speeds stock? and even if you don't like it for w.e reason, it still a awesome car.

pretty well said.

Here are a few baseline runs from a 2013 GT500 earlier today.

VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml0lG4sMTJU)

-Rick

the stock tune actually looks kinda sketchy... look at all the damn rapid ups and downs towards the top end...

goddam that sounds good........

Meh....it's not a Super Snake :shiner:

the stock tune actually looks kinda sketchy... look at all the damn rapid ups and downs towards the top end...

Depending on what scaling/smoothing the dyno was on, you could be right.

Bert stare, chit just got real brah.

this made me spit up my latte

possibly i missed tghe first time you asked me.........but they do not have the vette as a limiting factor, because they are two different cars, aimed at two demographics.

those of you that think the vette limits what gm can do with the camaro are over thinking things. So if ford built a focus that performed better then a gt500 you don't think it would affect the sales with a price tag of almost half?

Lol not one person called the ZL1 garbage, even if they have, do you own one? Who cares? it just failed to perform anywhere near the gt500. That's all. Im not a brand monger so i can say ford made an awesome car, who ever thinks otherwise is in denial, who wouldn't want a car that is capable of those trap speeds stock? and even if you don't like it for w.e reason, it still a awesome car.
Do you own one? If not then who cares about your opinion either. Guess you could call me a brand loyalist but at the same time you cant find a post where I trash talk the GT500 or other brands that don't prove their a better car.
I like my brand but I'm not blinded by the facts either Chevy lost this battle I'm just glad we have a dog in the fight.

funny you mention focus....i've been trying to get my mother to let me buy her one....those things are a lot of economy car for cheap.......

Here are a few baseline runs from a 2013 GT500 earlier today.

VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml0lG4sMTJU)

-Rick

Well that shows why ford had to re-rate there Hp numbers because clearly that bad boy is severely UNDERRATED and now it's mph makes way more sense. That's 700 at the motor based off a 15% drivetrain loss...WOW

funny you mention focus....i've been trying to get my mother to let me buy her one....those things are a lot of economy car for cheap.......

I liked the old svt hatch back but the Saleen n2o edition was hawt also.

Redline Motorsports ran a 11.6 at 118 in a ZL1 with mickey t street drags and a cold air intake (without a tune) not sure if it was auto or standard but like a few people have said these speed shops are mainly trying to promote their business they arent professional drivers. I would be willing to bet that guy on youtube RangerC6Z06 could run a mid 11 with a stock ZL1. He ran a 10.66 with a stock ZR1 and a 11.02 with a stock Z06 both had the factory tires and neither of them have launch control. Granted the Camaro weighs a lot more with the right driver the race between a GT500 and a ZL1 would be closer, for the 1/4 mile anyways.

I don't think the ZL1 is garbage, I just think that GM thought all they had to do was better than the 2011 GT500.

The truth. I think it'll be interesting to see how many changes come for the 2013 ZL1. And yes, the 'Vette is in fact the flagship performance vehicle for GM, so no, they won't build a lesser Camaro and rate it at higher HP. That would be poor marketing. Who would pay $120k for 638hp versus $60k for 650hp?....the average person doesn't pay attention to weight etc.....Horsepower sells cars baby.

The GT500 is a sick monster but the ZL1 is a dam good car as well, for its weight and power its moving out pretty well...the A6 is even more impressive. I think both cars are awesome and I am glad we have both out running around.

Ford has the advantage with the Mustang since its their flagship car, where as GM has the Corvette and everybody knows that GM will never allow the Camaro to be faster/better then the Corvette.

Redline Motorsports ran a 11.6 at 118 in a ZL1 with mickey t street drags and a cold air intake (without a tune) not sure if it was auto or standard but like a few people have said these speed shops are mainly trying to promote their business they arent professional drivers. I would be willing to bet that guy on youtube RangerC6Z06 could run a mid 11 with a stock ZL1. He ran a 10.66 with a stock ZR1 and a 11.02 with a stock Z06 both had the factory tires and neither of them have launch control. Granted the Camaro weighs a lot more with the right driver the race between a GT500 and a ZL1 would be closer, for the 1/4 mile anyways.

As much I as wish that were true I think even with the best driver on the same day same everything the ZL1 will improve some but the GT500 would have more to gain based on trap speed. A dyno proven 600-610whp is roughly 700HP at (15% loss)the motor in a lighter car. Only way the ZL1 wins if it the auto beats out the manual with a crap driver.

As much I as wish that were true I think even with the best driver on the same day same everything the ZL1 will improve some but the GT500 would have more to gain based on trap speed. A dyno proven 600-610whp is roughly 700HP at (15% loss)the motor in a lighter car. Only way the ZL1 wins if it the auto beats out the manual with a crap driver.

Truth! Couldnt have said it better. Both are great cars but Ford really overdid it here with the latest GT500 and I am so happy they did! It's like a modern day muscle car era and the most badass mustang ever made and the last one by Carroll, Couldn't ask for anything else.

Well that shows why ford had to re-rate there Hp numbers because clearly that bad boy is severely UNDERRATED and now it's mph makes way more sense. That's 700 at the motor based off a 15% drivetrain loss...WOW

Oh now its "WOW".

So i came in here made some corrections/updates on the Shelby and ZL1's performance, tell everyone the ZL1 doesnt hold a candle to the Shelby and i get called out and basically told i dont kno chit.

You watch one dyno video and its all hail the GT500.

When i say something, take it to the bank. LOL

The truth. I think it'll be interesting to see how many changes come for the 2013 ZL1. And yes, the 'Vette is in fact the flagship performance vehicle for GM, so no, they won't build a lesser Camaro and rate it at higher HP. That would be poor marketing. Who would pay $120k for 638hp versus $60k for 650hp?....the average person doesn't pay attention to weight etc.....Horsepower sells cars baby.

the person smart enough to realize that the vette in that instance will still pummel nearly anything that lines up next to it, regardless or course type.

Oh now its "WOW".

So i came in here made some corrections/updates on the Shelby and ZL1's performance, tell everyone the ZL1 doesnt hold a candle to the Shelby and i get called out and basically told i dont kno chit.

You watch one dyno video and its all hail the GT500.

When i say something, take it to the bank. LOL

Haha that's how things go; the brand loyal look at your username or avatar then decide what youmeant by your post. If you made a username with something about fbodies you could say the same thing and get a 100% opposite reaction. To some its more important who said it than what they said.

Haha that's how things go; the brand loyal look at your username or avatar then decide what youmeant by your post. If you made a username with something about fbodies you could say the same thing and get a 100% opposite reaction. To some its more important who said it than what they said.

Sad but very true. Lol

Do you own one? If not then who cares about your opinion either. Guess you could call me a brand loyalist but at the same time you cant find a post where I trash talk the GT500 or other brands that don't prove their a better car.
I like my brand but I'm not blinded by the facts either Chevy lost this battle I'm just glad we have a dog in the fight.

Seems like you were defending the ZL1 to death there, or atleast that's what i got from all of you're posts. You don't have to care about my opinion, but it was based on facts. But the facts are this. The ZL1 is the slower car, by a good amount. Other than that choosing which car is "better" is based on opinion. Both cars start at the same price, one is alot faster than the other, only difference between is the brand. In reality, you don't look at a ZL1 or GT500 if you aren't into sports cars or cars that perform, the obvious choice for someone interested in this is the gt500.

Oh now its "WOW".

So i came in here made some corrections/updates on the Shelby and ZL1's performance, tell everyone the ZL1 doesnt hold a candle to the Shelby and i get called out and basically told i dont kno chit.

You watch one dyno video and its all hail the GT500.

When i say something, take it to the bank. LOL

Seems like you were defending the ZL1 to death there, or atleast that's what i got from all of you're posts. You don't have to care about my opinion, but it was based on facts. But the facts are this. The ZL1 is the slower car, by a good amount. Other than that choosing which car is "better" is based on opinion. Both cars start at the same price, one is alot faster than the other, only difference between is the brand. In reality, you don't look at a ZL1 or GT500 if you aren't into sports cars or cars that perform, the obvious choice for someone interested in this is the gt500.
Please show me a post I made where I was blind by the facts. I have never said the zl1 is the out right better car only that it has it's own advantages compared to the gt500 and I have always said the GT500 would be faster and by all means it should. My "defending" was against people that totally trash talk zl1 so I will be waiting for your findings....

Haha that's how things go; the brand loyal look at your username or avatar then decide what youmeant by your post. If you made a username with something about fbodies you could say the same thing and get a 100% opposite reaction. To some its more important who said it than what they said.

Well after looking over your last 15-20 post nothing you say really adds to the conversation other then being negative and that has nothing to do with your name and I invite others to search your most recent post.

Please show me a post I made where I was blind by the facts. I have never said the zl1 is the out right better car only that it has it's own advantages compared to the gt500 and I have always said the GT500 would be faster and by all means it should. My "defending" was against people that totally trash talk zl1 so I will be waiting for your findings....

Im not going to look at every single post you made. Simple again, you keep thinking that people called the ZL1 anything but slower. Again, no one trash talked about the ZL1. Okay, why would you need to "defend" it? The facts are there. Obviously brand mongering, lol why would you need to "defend" a car you don't own and is obviously slower? The GT500 is faster, The ZL1 is slower. /thread.

Im not going to look at every single post you made. Simple again, you keep thinking that people called the ZL1 anything but slower. Again, no one trash talked about the ZL1. Okay, why would you need to "defend" it? The facts are there. Obviously brand mongering, lol why would you need to "defend" a car you don't own and is obviously slower? The GT500 is faster, The ZL1 is slower. /thread.
If you haven't been following the threads then you really can't call me on anything.

If you haven't been following the threads then you really can't call me on anything.

I posted on page 1 3 times, Ive been following it pretty close. I knew people would be butt hurt by it, so i subscribed.

It was on svtp, a guy on there was one of the people who got to drive one. He ran it twice, one was a 11.7@129 and the other was a 11.5 @ 127. He is a really good driver not the average editor like on car and driver who was driving them

I have yet to see a 129mph pass. Show it to me

personally, i think they are both great cars. and alot of good arguements here. yeah the new 500 is faster than the zl1. (500 made 601/584, and the zl1 made 476/476 both from livernois!) thats a HUGE difference. but dont forget, the zr1 is in a completely different ballpark from BOTH these cars(although the zr1 makes less power than the 500). i dont ever see a production camaro being close to a production corvette. simple as that. which is fine by me. 3 different cars, all with amazing potential. what floats your boat? and how deep are your pockets?