View Full Version : GTO vs Cobra and M3


V8EATR
05-20-2012, 07:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXoboaBapdw

P/I/E cobra, says it made 480, same car that 38394z28 raced. It was 90+ during this race and as you can see he isn't the best driver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8AlouTE7BE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9Lv612GRTc

2011 M3 DSG w/competition package.



My car is bolt on only.

38394Z28
05-20-2012, 07:26 PM
change your sig fag.

Oh you also raced a Bolt on C5Z from a 60 roll...using only cruise control...and lost, no biggy. I took out a WS6 too. Boom.

Oh yeah, nice videos :D

Sticks n Stones
05-20-2012, 07:28 PM
Your GTO is bolton only my ass. Irregardless it was a nice set of kills, but you are NOT just boltons. boltons plus a 100 shot MAYBE.

V8EATR
05-20-2012, 07:29 PM
lol I forgot about that. It probably wouldn't hurt to change my sig as I haven't had that car for 5 years.

V8EATR
05-20-2012, 07:33 PM
no spray. I like it when people call bs on my mods, it means I'm doing it right. Car weighs 3540 and probably makes 390whp? I'm not hiding anything I just know how to race correctly.

Sticks n Stones
05-20-2012, 07:42 PM
A lame ass roll race has little to do with knowing "how to race correctly" and everything to do with horsepower. That Cobra and the M3 should be trapping what? 116+mph? And your setup should be trapping 110 maybe? 112 with perfect DA and a drunken fairy granting wishes?

I know exactly what a bolton GTO does and doesn't do. And they don't hang with 480rwhp Cobra's nor mid 400rwhp M3's from a roll.

It's all good man, if you don't want to tell the mods then that's your choice. Just don't try to bullshit us into thinking your honey crusted bejeweled right hand and foot add 50+rwhp to your car.

V8EATR
05-20-2012, 07:48 PM
no need to get mad man. I'm not lying at all. Anyone local is more than welcome to come check out my car. The owner with the cobra was not very smart. He claimed 480whp. Who knows what it actually was? Could be 440whp. Also you have to remember it was hot as balls out and that car was probably heat soaked, which that combined with poor driving makes sense.

2SSARME
05-20-2012, 07:55 PM
bolt on only my ass rofl..

480rwhp cobra would anally rape you so hard you'd be shitting in China.

And the way you pulled on that M3...lol. I only have a CAI on my car too bro.

V8EATR
05-20-2012, 08:00 PM
heat soak and bad drivers make no difference, got ya.

GXPPOWER
05-20-2012, 08:01 PM
A lame ass roll race has little to do with knowing "how to race correctly" and everything to do with horsepower. That Cobra and the M3 should be trapping what? 116+mph? And your setup should be trapping 110 maybe? 112 with perfect DA and a drunken fairy granting wishes?

I know exactly what a bolton GTO does and doesn't do. And they don't hang with 480rwhp Cobra's nor mid 400rwhp M3's from a roll.

It's all good man, if you don't want to tell the mods then that's your choice. Just don't try to bullshit us into thinking your honey crusted bejeweled right hand and foot add 50+rwhp to your car.


you do realize you just made yourself look really stupid when you said a bolton GTO would trap 110 maybe 112? i trapped 109 with less mods and more weight ntm in an AUTO.

if i can trap 109 with 330 rwhp which is what i dynoed before my new tune. with 4100 lbs then id say a bolton GTO that weights 3500-3600 lbs with more mods esp headers could probably trap 113-114

WisT02ws6
05-20-2012, 08:02 PM
I can't believe the shit that you are getting. I've seen this car, rode in it and raced it. There is nothing special about it. I think some of you guys are on the mustang bandwagon a bit..

38394Z28
05-20-2012, 08:03 PM
Well I'm sure it doesn't hold much water...but his car is bolt on only. Nothing more, nothing less...

2SSARME
05-20-2012, 08:08 PM
I can't believe the shit that you are getting. I've seen this car, rode in it and raced it. There is nothing special about it. I think some of you guys are on the mustang bandwagon a bit..

A bolt on GTO will not pull on a 480rwhp cobra like that unless the driver is retarded.

Now OP talks about heat soak?

Wait until the mustang boys get in here.

2SSARME
05-20-2012, 08:10 PM
A lame ass roll race has little to do with knowing "how to race correctly" and everything to do with horsepower. That Cobra and the M3 should be trapping what? 116+mph? And your setup should be trapping 110 maybe? 112 with perfect DA and a drunken fairy granting wishes?

I know exactly what a bolton GTO does and doesn't do. And they don't hang with 480rwhp Cobra's nor mid 400rwhp M3's from a roll.

It's all good man, if you don't want to tell the mods then that's your choice. Just don't try to bullshit us into thinking your honey crusted bejeweled right hand and foot add 50+rwhp to your car.

A 480rwhp cobra will trap 120+ and run mid 11s all day.

V8EATR
05-20-2012, 08:12 PM
I will be expecting 113-114 trap in decent air the way the car sits. Yea, my mustang trapped 110 with 330whp and was only 200 lbs lighter so I expect a good bit more than that with this car.

V8EATR
05-20-2012, 08:14 PM
A 480rwhp cobra will trap 120+ and run mid 11s all day.

your not very smart. A 480whp cobra MIGHT trap 120 in good air on a good day. Listen to the shifts on the car, they are slow as fuck and I stated that. Also like I said he already raced a few cars before me and it was 90+ out. Guy didn't even have a bigger heat exchanger.

2SSARME
05-20-2012, 08:14 PM
I will be expecting 113-114 trap in decent air the way the car sits. Yea, my mustang trapped 110 with 330whp and was only 200 lbs lighter so I expect a good bit more than that with this car.

Only on LS1tech do 115 trap cars beat 123 trap cars.

V8EATR
05-20-2012, 08:16 PM
both of those trap speeds are irrelevant. And if you think a "480whp" full weight cobra with a stock heat exchanger will trap 123 after several highway pulls with 90+ air temps, your even more dumb than I pegged you for.

2SSARME
05-20-2012, 08:16 PM
your not very smart. A 480whp cobra MIGHT trap 120 in good air on a good day. Listen to the shifts on the car, they are slow as fuck and I stated that. Also like I said he already raced a few cars before me and it was 90+ out. Guy didn't even have a bigger heat exchanger.

Totally bro.

My CAI only SS beats turbo M3s and 600awhp Evos.
It's really hot out here bro.
Lets me pull buses on them.


Oh yeah, the evo is actually 250awhp. Owner just wasn't very smart.

2SSARME
05-20-2012, 08:17 PM
both of those trap speeds are irrelevant. And if you think a "480whp" full weight cobra with a stock heat exchanger will trap 123 after several highway pulls with 90+ air temps, your even more dumb than I pegged you for.

I know that 480rwhp cobra even with an armless driver will drag your ass.

Just post up the truth man. You're running a stock cobra with a shitty driver.

flattusmaximus78
05-20-2012, 08:17 PM
This is the only site I know that when a ls car beats a cobra everyone says the cobra is a turd and ford sucks, as well as the ls1 running shit hot. When the under powered ls car beats a similar cobra, the ls should have been destroyed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Good kills. Like Everyone else, I thought you would have lost to the slobra, and tied with the m3. Luckily you can drive your car, and you cleaned house. You made some good videos to boot :usa:

V8EATR
05-20-2012, 08:20 PM
^ good post flattusmaximus78. I'm not claiming to have beat him on a cool night and he was a good driver, cause had both of those factors changed, I would have been toast for sure.

38394Z28
05-20-2012, 08:22 PM
Holy fuck. He claimed 480. We didn't dyno the car before we ran it so it could only make 450 wheel for all we know. Then...hes not a good driver at all. Also, he raced a bunch of cars when it was 90* outside then raced said GTO. Makes perfect sense to me.

Heater
05-20-2012, 10:02 PM
Is there something wrong with the Mustang bandwagon :confused:

Mach Boy
05-20-2012, 10:42 PM
Is there something wrong with the Mustang bandwagon :confused:

No joke. I think it didn't show up because the LS Bandwagon slapped a Cobra sticker on the side of theirs.

HioSSilver
05-20-2012, 11:07 PM
Is there something wrong with the Mustang bandwagon :confused:

Yes....the wheels are square......and it smells funny.


Oh wait, I have a Mustang now so it's all good.


Good kills op! p/i/e cobra is probally closer to 450-460.......and run more like 400-410.

V8EATR
05-20-2012, 11:30 PM
^ truth. I don't know if he ever dynoed it cause I heard several different numbers from him throughout the night so it was probably just a guess.

s346k
05-20-2012, 11:43 PM
nice kills. a local here made...i want to say 495 and trapped 124 in a full weight cobra. unsure of mods, but i do know he made 619 on c16 and trapped over 130. repeated pulls on that car didn't really show a huge loss in power. he was def not afraid to make pulls...1 after the other anywhere anytime.

32vape
05-21-2012, 12:13 AM
Even on ls1 tech 03-04 cobras are unbeatable just like another forum I know of. No lie, gto is just full bolt ons. And this was a intake,pulley,tune cobra. That cobra had just got done racing me and it was 90 out.

whytryz28
05-21-2012, 12:23 AM
That cobra had like 600lbs worth of driver and passenger. Its funny seeing all these high horsepower cars driven by guys who weight 300+lbs of pure fat.

Sticks n Stones
05-21-2012, 01:04 AM
That cobra had like 600lbs worth of driver and passenger. Its funny seeing all these high horsepower cars driven by guys who weight 300+lbs of pure fat.

would you rather see them in a prius? lol

Heater
05-21-2012, 01:26 AM
Cobra's are over rated.

V8EATR
05-21-2012, 01:37 AM
I think a pullied cobra today is alot slower than a pullied cobra was in 04. Not literally but you get my point. Hell, bolt on 5.0's are taking down p/i/e cobras now.

odthetruth
05-21-2012, 02:38 AM
Good driving. Good kills

lt4388stroker
05-21-2012, 04:02 AM
bolt on only my ass rofl..

480rwhp cobra would anally rape you so hard you'd be shitting in China.

And the way you pulled on that M3...lol. I only have a CAI on my car too bro.
I agree with him I put 449 to the wheels on motor and I race my buddies 03 cobra all the time hes making 510 to the wheels and he pulls me like a raped ape once he hits 3rd gear

V8EATR
05-21-2012, 10:47 AM
Had this guy been able to drive, it might have changed things a bit. I posted this cause its a good day time run. I'm not saying I'm going to beat all pullied cobras, I just beat this one on this day under these circumstances, nothing more, nothing less.

06vLo
05-21-2012, 11:25 AM
I know exactly what a bolton GTO does and doesn't do. And they don't hang with 480rwhp Cobra's nor mid 400rwhp M3's from a roll

.

Huh? mid 400rwhp? they dyno like maybe 340hp and 290tq stock, amd the way the race went with the cobra i would say the cobra is lying about his mods and power.

V8EATR
05-21-2012, 11:53 AM
M3 owner said most dyno 340-360whp. His is stock. You people need to understand the cobra driver was a bad driver and believe it or not that can affect the outcome of a race.

UNVME
05-21-2012, 12:43 PM
Holy fucking hell there's a lot of butthurt in here.

2SSARME, you're an ABSOLUTE idiot. Not every car out there is driven by John Force, BRO.

That cobra's shifts were slower than AIDS in January. And the guy looked like he weighed 400 lbs. And how do you know if he shifted at the correct rpm's or not? Have you not heard that saying ''anything can happen on the street''? You act like the OP is claiming the earth is still flat or something? He said that he beat a cobra that ''claimed'' 480 rwhp, and you watch it happen on video with your own eyes. Good lord.

Nice kills, V8ETR. It's always fun beating cars that should be faster.

V8EATR
05-21-2012, 12:48 PM
^ right on man, thanks.

Mach Boy
05-21-2012, 04:04 PM
WTF is "slower than AIDS in January?" I mean I've heard slower than a 3 legged dog, your grandmother, an SRT8.... But AIDS in January????

UBoysPlayBall?
05-21-2012, 04:09 PM
cobra's are over rated.

+1,324,896!

UNVME
05-21-2012, 04:53 PM
WTF is "slower than AIDS in January?" I mean I've heard slower than a 3 legged dog, your grandmother, an SRT8.... But AIDS in January????

You like that huh? :jest:

Mach Boy
05-21-2012, 04:58 PM
You like that huh? :jest:

AIDS is no laughing matter.































Next time say HIV.

Tracked350Z
05-21-2012, 05:07 PM
So, I finally got around to watching the videos. Car pulls hard. But if you're claiming 112-113 mph traps in good weather but yanking on 112-114 mph M3's like that, I don't know. It's also possible you caught the M3 in a bad spot. What mph was the roll? For a M3 to really keep up it needs to be in the right gear and at a high rpm. If not then that's what happens. I remember a video a few months ago of a bolt on G8 running an M3 from a 40 roll and a 70 roll. 40 roll he ate the M3 up. From a 70 roll the M3 pulled. The LS cars make alot more power and torque down low, whereas the M3 doesn't make peak power until 8k rpm. So rolling from 45-4700 rpm is no where near the capabilities of the S65 (E92 M3 engine). I say good runs. But on that Cobra kill. Eh, good job. Who the fuck knows what bs he was spitting when he claimed 480.

V8EATR
05-21-2012, 06:09 PM
It was somewhere around a 40 roll for the M3. First run the cobra started in third, which was too high, second run (both 40 rolls) he started in second which is just where it needs to be. He "claimed" a number so who knows. It was also a bad driver on a hot day. I guess Heatons never heatsoak?

Heater
05-21-2012, 06:32 PM
I've seen pulley Cobra's put down 470+ rwhp on the dyno, unless they have full bolt ons to go with it...it's a hopped up dyno.

V8EATR
05-21-2012, 06:38 PM
My buddy has had 3 of them and with off road x, catback, intake, pulley, tune they have always made 440-470 on a dynojet depending on the air.

Heater
05-21-2012, 06:47 PM
My buddy has had 3 of them and with off road x, catback, intake, pulley, tune they have always made 440-470 on a dynojet depending on the air.

That's about right.

1_MEANZ28
05-21-2012, 06:54 PM
good kills none the less

2SSARME
05-21-2012, 08:20 PM
As much as I like to fuck with Ford guys.... Cobras are not over rated.

They are by far the best bang for buck car you could get... I mean those fucking engines are indestructible... It's amazing what you could do with them.

My buddy down here got one with the bumper crashed for $8k. Threw in about $5k in mods and repairs and the thing was at like 480-490rwhp. Would pull my bolt on SS by buses.

karpetcm
05-21-2012, 08:41 PM
I actually thought about buying a 03-04 cobra if i could daily drive it. After driving them although they are great cars and LOTS of potential just didnt work out for me. I have to agree i dont think they are overated, i think when they lose everyone points the finger at them and says see see it lost so there its not as fast as most people think. The car is about 3700-3800lbs and 440-470 rwhp is still fast in my book. Ported blower and full bolt ons and you could get them past 500+rwhp. For what you can buy them for and the amount of abuse the motor can take ford did a great job with them. Every car has its pros and cons.

38394Z28
05-21-2012, 09:35 PM
As much as I like to fuck with Ford guys.... Cobras are not over rated.

They are by far the best bang for buck car you could get... I mean those fucking engines are indestructible... It's amazing what you could do with them.

My buddy down here got one with the bumper crashed for $8k. Threw in about $5k in mods and repairs and the thing was at like 480-490rwhp. Would pull my bolt on SS by buses.

Not by far at all dude. C5Z06 is right there in the "Bang for your buck" section. It might even be better (only because of the road course abilities if you are into that kinda thing)

NightmareTA
05-21-2012, 10:15 PM
Only on LS1tech do 115 trap cars beat 123 trap cars.

And also, only on LS1tech do guys from Somalia that drive 5th gens call constant BS on vids. :judge:

That cobra had like 600lbs worth of driver and passenger. Its funny seeing all these high horsepower cars driven by guys who weight 300+lbs of pure fat.

LMAO I noticed that too. Saw the driver of the cobra and said to myself "yup, that's why he lost."

WTF is "slower than AIDS in January?" I mean I've heard slower than a 3 legged dog, your grandmother, an SRT8.... But AIDS in January????

Starting that war up again, are we?

:jest:


BTW, nice runs OP...when you have a race where you win by driving experience, people are always going to call BS. Just gotta take it with a grain of salt. Been there before.

V8EATR
05-21-2012, 10:33 PM
it just means I'm doing it right so I'm happy. And if you guys think he is fat, you should have gotten a look at his girl riding shotty.

38394Z28
05-21-2012, 10:37 PM
it just means I'm doing it right so I'm happy. And if you guys think he is fat, you should have gotten a look at his girl riding shotty.

they were north of 500#'s together haha

Mach Boy
05-22-2012, 12:13 AM
Starting that war up again, are we?

:jest:


I thought I would have had a nibble by now, but I guess the fish aren't biting today.

V8EATR
05-22-2012, 12:27 AM
^ oh what the hell, I'll play. A SRT-8 anything with the same mods as me would get flat out murdered and a Mach 1? Lets not sink to that level :)

BlackDemonSS
05-22-2012, 01:44 AM
Good kill op.

Have to say covra was a surprise but the m3 was not. Ive dustes a 2011m3 in my car. Fact is we have more torque 3**>290tq. M3 was designed as a track car on road courses were torque only matters exiting a turn.
Cobra had to be a shitty driver enough said.

2SSARME
05-22-2012, 04:25 AM
Not by far at all dude. C5Z06 is right there in the "Bang for your buck" section. It might even be better (only because of the road course abilities if you are into that kinda thing)

I agree with the c5z06 being nasty but man them cobras you can really make em run with just such few mods.

snake95
05-22-2012, 04:38 AM
Your GTO is bolton only my ass. Irregardless it was a nice set of kills, but you are NOT just boltons. boltons plus a 100 shot MAYBE.

I've watched you post this enough. Lose the "ir" prefix.

wicked383lt1
05-22-2012, 10:49 AM
Good kills...when you get a chance race a soon to be released 2013 m5. You should do good!

V8EATR
05-22-2012, 11:47 AM
Good kills...when you get a chance race a soon to be released 2013 m5. You should do good!

I'll be sure to get right on that.

1981TA
05-22-2012, 12:44 PM
would you rather see them in a prius? lol

Actually, that would be funny as hell. It would certainly win the 1/4 mile cliff race.

V8EATR
05-22-2012, 03:27 PM
Like I said, if anyone wants to come check out my car your more than welcome. Or if someone has a modded cobra or anything else for that matter, I'm always down. I got nothing to hide.

UNVME
05-22-2012, 03:37 PM
FWIW. A guy I know has a bolt-on, pullied, tuned 03 Cobra that ran 12.4 @ 113mph on DR's and 12.0 on slicks. I could definitely see the OP beating that from a roll, given the right conditions.

I also know another guy that has a similar set-up on his cobra and he is even slower. Not all modded cobras run mid 11's @ 120+ mph.

V8EATR
05-22-2012, 06:24 PM
Yea I met a guy at the strip once that had a best of 12.0@118 with a full weight PIE cobra making 460whp and that was in good air. But that car alos went as bad as 12.8@112 when hot lapped in not great air.

Heater
05-22-2012, 07:03 PM
Like I said, if anyone wants to come check out my car your more than welcome. Or if someone has a modded cobra or anything else for that matter, I'm always down. I got nothing to hide.



Location?

V8EATR
05-22-2012, 07:27 PM
South central WI

evolve
05-23-2012, 02:15 PM
your not very smart. A 480whp cobra MIGHT trap 120 in good air on a good day. Listen to the shifts on the car, they are slow as fuck and I stated that. Also like I said he already raced a few cars before me and it was 90+ out. Guy didn't even have a bigger heat exchanger.

118-122 for stock non ported/ pullied "Heaton" Cobras.

V8EATR
05-23-2012, 05:00 PM
after hot lapping on a 90+ degree day? sure about that?

Black Snake Blown
05-23-2012, 06:38 PM
FWIW. A guy I know has a bolt-on, pullied, tuned 03 Cobra that ran 12.4 @ 113mph on DR's and 12.0 on slicks. I could definitely see the OP beating that from a roll, given the right conditions.

I also know another guy that has a similar set-up on his cobra and he is even slower. Not all modded cobras run mid 11's @ 120+ mph.

What? I trapped 113 with a shitty chinese upr hot air intake and basani catback (105,000 miles) on hard ass nitto 555 street tires with busted bushings in the rear. I can't even imagine running anything less than 120 with a pulley.

Cwarta
05-23-2012, 06:43 PM
^^^ In reverse and uphill even.

Black Snake Blown
05-23-2012, 06:46 PM
^^^ In reverse and uphill even.

Well maybe if I was towing a 25,000 lb trailer or something.

Cwarta
05-23-2012, 06:56 PM
Seems appropriate!

V8EATR
05-23-2012, 07:34 PM
I have seen plenty of pullied cobras trap less than 120 at the track. I'm not saying 112 is the norm but not every pullied cobra traps 120+ all the time.

UNVME
05-23-2012, 08:15 PM
What? I trapped 113 with a shitty chinese upr hot air intake and basani catback (105,000 miles) on hard ass nitto 555 street tires with busted bushings in the rear. I can't even imagine running anything less than 120 with a pulley.

Yep, 113-114 mph. He got yanked by a 100% stock LS2 C6 Vette from a roll.

UBoysPlayBall?
05-23-2012, 09:14 PM
I have seen plenty of pullied cobras trap less than 120 at the track. I'm not saying 112 is the norm but not every pullied cobra traps 120+ all the time.

112 is an average trap speed for a stock Terminator out here. A pullied one better be doing better than that in any condition.

LSFTW!
05-23-2012, 09:46 PM
ive seen said GTO, raced it, worked on it, rode in it, etc and as others have stated its bolt on only with the best driver i know. put an idiot driver in the same car and im sure they would have lost by alot. a bad, heavy driver in an already heavy car on a hot day with a few runs under its belt is at a huge disadvantage. i love the terminator as much as the next guy but christ people they arent god.

V8EATR
05-23-2012, 10:40 PM
I beg to differ on 112 being a average stock trap for a termi. Maybe 110.

raysadude
05-24-2012, 09:04 AM
Good kill on the cobra, however on the M3 I still can't believe my eyes lol..its DSG that means all the guy gotta do is just paddle shift it..and I'm pretty sure if memory serves those new M3s trapped anywhere between 112-115..must have been the stoutest intake GTO you have there bud..FWIW I've seen multiple I/E GTO making 350 on wheels. You must have make at least 370 to dust him like that

V8EATR
05-24-2012, 09:09 AM
I just found out the M3 is a manual. Not sure on driver, probably not the best. But I have full bolt ons, LT's, ported intake, vararam, UDP, 1 pc ds, clutch, minor weight reduction. I would like to see 400whp.

raysadude
05-24-2012, 11:47 AM
Now it makes more sense if it is manual and with full bolt ons. Good kill regardless, your car runs strong man with comfort and luxury of european cars, can't beat that.

evangto87
05-24-2012, 12:10 PM
Im gonna get flamed for this big time but..... I have my own rule of thumb. When racing a roots blower cobra... subtract 100whp from its dyno number... and thats what its really going to run like in the NA world. I have yet to see my theory be incorrect. Friends 625whp cobra racing my buddies 520whp 403 SS. Both cars with similar gearing, cobra raceweight was 100lbs heavier. Cobra also had the faster shifter. The SS got the win by half a car on the top end. Had they been equal drivers... the SS would have cleared a solid car easy.

Bence
05-24-2012, 01:54 PM
Kills were legit, one of my buddies linked me here and the car (GTO) is as OP says. I drive the M3 and as stated its manual, most make anywhere from 320-360 wheel depending on the dyno in stock form. Cobra dude couldn't shift, was a big dude, and his girlfriend wasn't exactly small either. Just from talking with the guy he also didn't sound like he had a clue what he was talking about regarding his car. Good kills dude.

V8EATR
05-24-2012, 03:27 PM
Im gonna get flamed for this big time but..... I have my own rule of thumb. When racing a roots blower cobra... subtract 100whp from its dyno number... and thats what its really going to run like in the NA world. I have yet to see my theory be incorrect. Friends 625whp cobra racing my buddies 520whp 403 SS. Both cars with similar gearing, cobra raceweight was 100lbs heavier. Cobra also had the faster shifter. The SS got the win by half a car on the top end. Had they been equal drivers... the SS would have cleared a solid car easy.

Thats right on the money man. It gets even worse when they heatsoak, like I said he had like 10 40-130 pulls right in a row and it was 90*+ out and he was on a stock heat exchanger.

Im looking for a 392 car and a 5.0 to race, hell even a stock boss would be fun. If I find one and race it, you bet I'll post up win or not.

Bence, let me know if you run again man, I know you said you wanted to and we never got a chance to do it again.

Bence
05-25-2012, 01:37 AM
Haha I'm down, I should have found you before I hit the sauce Saturday. I have no clue if the result will be any different, just wanted to see the difference with the rear exhaust section on/off and if that was just in my imagination. I'll make it down south one of these weekends and we can run them again.