New LS1 Owners - Newbie Tech - Need help with cam and stall size..

I can't decide what cam and stall size to go with.. The car isn't my DD so drivability isn't a big deal. I wanna go cam only. I researched for days and many of the previously asked questions aren't the same as mine. I want peak power between 5800-6300 so I don't over rev the 4l60e. I was thinking a 228r cam with a 4000revmax stall. My main goal is to have a cam/stall setup that will work really well on the street and smoke some SVT COBRAS along the way.. I was looking at an ms4 cam but That would require revving up to 7000krpm just to get peak power..

try a torquer v2 with a yank or vigilante 3800 stall. torquer has a nice powerband and shouldnt over rev the motor if you get maybe a 113 or 114 LSA

Check out the TRuTorq Level 2 by Thunder racing, John at their tech line was steering me that direction and it sounds like you and I have similar goals.

I've been looking at the torquer v2 but idk if it's right for me... maybe a donkey dick cam like an ms4 with a low lsa like 110

I guess my real question is that I need help finding a well layed out mild cam like a 228r and a stall that will work very well together on the street and not a monster that will blow the tires off and need 7k rpm's to do anything.

IMO, just get the TSP 228r with a 111lsa.
Also a 3600 stall would be plenty big with this cam.

The 228r w/ a 3600 stall is a very drivable set up

Wouldnt he want more then a 3600 stall? I know people who daily drive 3600 stalls and wish they had got bigger stalls.

I would do a TSP 224 on a 112 (or 114 for a little easier tuning, though it will raise the power band a bit) and a 3600 stall. That should keep your peak at or near 6300 and make great torque throughout the useable rpm range.

thanks guys i'm pretty settled on a 228r either a 111 lsa or 112 lsa.. What would be the best performing stall on the street for that cam.. 3600 or 4000 or even maybe in between with a 3800.

RPM hit it right on the head a 224R on a 112lsa is what cam I have and it peaks 6100rpm. It loses 7rwhp and 4rwtq to rev limiter at 6500. My car is a 6spd though vs. your auto. Either way you can't go wrong with a 224r/228r and 3600 stall. Great street manners and will be a blast on the street.

you dont want a 110 LSA... lower LSA is going to make it get its peak power higher. (Higher RPM)

you dont want a 110 LSA... lower LSA is going to make it get its peak power higher. (Higher RPM)

Sorry but that's wrong! :nono:

It's a higher lsa that will put the peak power higher, that's why I'd suggest a 111 or even a 110 lsa..

thanks guys i'm pretty settled on a 228r either a 111 lsa or 112 lsa..

Depending on your head/intake setup, this cam may be a bit too big to be ideal for your 6300rpm shift point that you mentioned above.

What would be the best performing stall on the street for that cam.. 3600 or 4000 or even maybe in between with a 3800.

The 4000 stall would be better for performance, but traction will certainly be more difficult. I would probably stick with the 3600 for a street only car, but neither one would be a bad choice.

RPM hit it right on the head a 224R on a 112lsa is what cam I have and it peaks 6100rpm. It loses 7rwhp and 4rwtq to rev limiter at 6500. My car is a 6spd though vs. your auto. Either way you can't go wrong with a 224r/228r and 3600 stall. Great street manners and will be a blast on the street.

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you dont want a 110 LSA... lower LSA is going to make it get its peak power higher. (Higher RPM)

It's the other way around. Lower (numeric) LSA numbers will make peak power at lower rpms than the exact same cam on a higher number LSA (all else being equal).

Example:

FYI, a 228/228 110lsa +3, and a 224/224 112lsa +3 should make peak power at the same rpm.
That why I suggested a 3600 stall and not a 4000.

Also if later you decide you want your cam to peak a few hundred rpm higher then you can just retard the cam those 3 degrees.

Example:

FYI, a 228/228 110lsa +3, and a 224/224 112lsa +3 should make peak power at the same rpm.


228/110lsa will sacrifice some street manners and idle quality in an A4, versus the 224/112.

That why I suggested a 3600 stall and not a 4000

Even a stock internal LS1 will run better times with a 4000 stall vs. a 3600, assuming full traction is possibile. But which is "better" overall for a given setup is a matter of driver preference and how much tire you plan to run. There is no question that a 4000 stall (of equal build quality and similar STR) will have better ET potential with the right tires/suspension behind even a stock internal LS1 (and most certainly with a 224-228 cam).

check the auto trans section for converter sponsors and talk to them.after you get the converter get the cam.the more radical the cam the more it cost.with a more wild cam you need dual springs and some comp trunnion bearings.call thunder racing or TSP and tell them what you want.Damian has a nice cam he uses on fast street cars.

Then why do turbo cars need a higher LSA? i thought it was so that they had power when not in boost??

Well it's all a compromise, if he goes "cam only" with a 224r 112lsa he'll be wishing he went bigger. Furthermore the 228 with 110lsa was just given as an example, but I would still recommend a 111 or 112lsa with the 228/228 cam since he would like to make peak power by 6300rpm. The 3600 stall would still work really good with a 228, and I didn't say it would get him the fastest track time only that it was a good option beside 4k stall.
Thrdlife, update us once it's all said and done.

I'm in the same boat. Decided on 228r now stall choice... I'm thinking 3200 or 3400

if your looking for a good stall try R&R converters out of ashville NC very good tell them matt sent you!