Cadillac CTS-V - test drove a bunch of new cars..and they don't compare to my V1




hatched91
06-01-2012, 10:43 PM
As the title states, i test drove some new sportscars over the past couple of weeks, all 2012 models... trying to stay under $35k

Camaro 1SS- had great gearing, looks great, has the heavy GM steering feel that i love...but had terrble blind spots, doors would be a pita just like the f-and the interior felt cheap for the price

Mustang GT- looked great, handled really well, cool interior. However, the power felt like it was turbocharged...not much under 3k rpm, then bang!! tons of power. The driving position was extremely akward, and even with all the drastic advances over the past couple of years...it still was a mustang (if you know what i mean).

Subaru WRX- Very comfortable and practical daily driver..and i could even see myself driving it daily. Power was substantial, and loved the awd. However, the shifter felt knotchy, the radio was down right terrible, and it even had a hunting idle. The car just felt...super cheap. Plus the highway cruising rpm was very high, and exhaust was too loud for a factory car, and i felt like the brakes sucked.

c6 corvette- really enjoyed the car, but too impractical for daily driving, with the super low ground clearance, especially here where i live (crap roads and 4 seasons)

I would still like to drive a 370z.

But after all the test drives, i just don't think the quality, performance, or practicality of any of the cars would justify me spending and additional $15k-$20k ontop of my V1 trade in value.


Discuss! :eek2:


soulja
06-01-2012, 11:06 PM
I hear you man. There isn't a car out right now that I want over my V1. A V2 maybe, but much too pricey at the moment.

heavymetals
06-01-2012, 11:58 PM
I thought about getting rid of mine.

The car I wanted would have been an additional $90-100k on top of whatever I got for my V.

Decided to throw more mods at the V.

It is a great hot rod and a modders wet dream.

I have put more in mods then the cars trade in value, but I didn't buy it as in investment.

When I get some software squid to help me hack the class II radio stuff, look out.


SSmokd U
06-02-2012, 07:36 AM
Totally agree. When I decided to trade my Magnum R/T in I test drove a 2SS & a GT. I thought it sad that I ended up picking a 7 year old car over a new one.

BOBS99SS
06-02-2012, 08:36 AM
Yeah i felt the same way after my test drive in the 5.0 and 5thi gen ss, i liked the 5.0 better but not enough to justify buying a brand new car, op you have them both spot on as i felt the same way, you really cant beat what you got

Skidmarcx
06-02-2012, 11:11 AM
Most people think my car is new because of how clean I keep it... so I might as well pretend it's new hehe... but yea I can't think of what I'd replace mine with except a V2 which is still outta my reach. With so much to do to this car I may actually keep it for a while

dtsti
06-02-2012, 11:27 AM
When I tell people my car is an 04 they are always blown away. I love the V

NeverSatisfied02
06-02-2012, 01:42 PM
I love the V... Hence why this is my second V1. Lol only replacement that would be just as fun and practical is the V2 but I'm waiting for the price to come down some more before I jump into one of those

Fuzzy_Wuzzy
06-02-2012, 02:56 PM
I was cross shopping the Camaro when i bought my V, and had the same complaints (and there was no 5.0 mustang yet)

It sounds like in 2014 there will be a new mustang and camaro, that might be worth just enjoying the v until then to see what they do. I'm holding out for an ATS-V with a LS something, but add a few years for a used one...

SSmokd U
06-02-2012, 11:13 PM
I'm holding out for an ATS-V with a LS something, but add a few years for a used one...

^^THIS!!!:eek2:

ITSAV
06-03-2012, 06:53 AM
did you do a reg WRX? or was it an STI? You may look at the STI if not, I had one of those before the V, and now that I have modded the V a bit more, I am thinking of picking one up just for DD purposes. They are fun to drive, comfortable, and the shifter is a lot better than the WRX, like TONS. The only thing that sucks is like you said the high RPM at highway. I think going 80 I was just under 3k RPM's but they are also AWD so getting around in snow/ice is a lot easier with it.

Dmax/04V
06-03-2012, 07:10 AM
These cars are hard to beat once you get them modded and dialed in correctly. For the money i spent buying mine, and getting it to the point where it is now I am still way under the price of anything new that is comparable, and as stated earlier in this thread people still think it's a new car. As long as your willing to put in a little money and some wrench time these cars are awesome. Maybe one day I'll save up for a GForce 9inch.

odthetruth
06-03-2012, 01:31 PM
As the title states, i test drove some new sportscars over the past couple of weeks, all 2012 models... trying to stay under $35k

Camaro 1SS- had great gearing, looks great, has the heavy GM steering feel that i love...but had terrble blind spots, doors would be a pita just like the f-and the interior felt cheap for the price

Mustang GT- looked great, handled really well, cool interior. However, the power felt like it was turbocharged...not much under 3k rpm, then bang!! tons of power. The driving position was extremely akward, and even with all the drastic advances over the past couple of years...it still was a mustang (if you know what i mean).

Subaru WRX- Very comfortable and practical daily driver..and i could even see myself driving it daily. Power was substantial, and loved the awd. However, the shifter felt knotchy, the radio was down right terrible, and it even had a hunting idle. The car just felt...super cheap. Plus the highway cruising rpm was very high, and exhaust was too loud for a factory car, and i felt like the brakes sucked.

c6 corvette- really enjoyed the car, but too impractical for daily driving, with the super low ground clearance, especially here where i live (crap roads and 4 seasons)

I would still like to drive a 370z.

But after all the test drives, i just don't think the quality, performance, or practicality of any of the cars would justify me spending and additional $15k-$20k ontop of my V1 trade in value.


Discuss! :eek2:

I had the same complaints about the Camaro SS. The windshield was like looking outside between 2 venetian blinds. Not enough of a view, which felt awkward.

thebigjimsho
06-03-2012, 06:59 PM
The V2 fixed so much of what didn't last in the V1. But I miss my V1 and still think I'll buy another '04 down the road for fun...

hatched91
06-03-2012, 10:59 PM
did you do a reg WRX? or was it an STI? You may look at the STI if not, I had one of those before the V, and now that I have modded the V a bit more, I am thinking of picking one up just for DD purposes. They are fun to drive, comfortable, and the shifter is a lot better than the WRX, like TONS. The only thing that sucks is like you said the high RPM at highway. I think going 80 I was just under 3k RPM's but they are also AWD so getting around in snow/ice is a lot easier with it.

My prior car to the v1 was an 04 sti, wrb on goldies. I LOVED that car..more than any other car i've owned. The only roads with twisties (within reasonable driving distance) are crappy, and we have nasty winters, and it rains nearly 1/3 of the time. So as you can image, the STi was a perfect car.... Except mine was a pile of crap.

It had the most ridiculous problems, it would lean out to 15% fuel trim and start bucking when at constant throttle...no CEL, passed all tests with flying colors, and completely stock. (You can PM me if you want to know more about it. )

So needless to say, my faith in subaru is pretty much non-existent. However, if I do end up relocating any farther up north, buying a subie is a must..even if it's a crappy old non-turbo winter driver, such as an older impreza.

The V2 fixed so much of what didn't last in the V1. But I miss my V1 and still think I'll buy another '04 down the road for fun...

I've talked to other V2 owners, who said the same thing. They miss the "raw" feel of the V1. Unfortunately, as a recent college grad, a V2 is not in my finances at the moment haha.

liqidvenom
06-03-2012, 11:04 PM
the t6060 i drove the first time i was in a 5th gen really let me know how much gm has progressed when it comes to chassis and drivetrain components. Being decently tall i have a hard time sitting in the 5th gen and also in my V so i get the same blind spot c pillar feeling in both vehicles.

The interior of the 5th gen wasnt my liking for a 2011 vehicle but i felt it was on par with my V.

Gabbiani
06-04-2012, 08:29 AM
Not a lot of options.

We just bought an 09 WRX for the wife. There are things I love about it. But there are several things that really feel like an economy car with a turbo. When it boils down to driving fun the V is more comfortable, is faster at any speed, and on dry pavement the V turns in and holds corners better at speeds.

The only thing bugging me now is I want more power. Someone needs to sell me a maggie cheap.

I want to look at an AMG c63 but at nearly 2x the price of a v2 that is pretty much out too.

liqidvenom
06-04-2012, 11:28 PM
how is a c63 2x the price of a v2?

whisler151
06-05-2012, 02:35 PM
I want to look at an AMG c63 but at nearly 2x the price of a v2 that is pretty much out too.

how is a c63 2x the price of a v2?

Yeah, a 2009 C63 is on average several thousand dollars less than a similarly equipped 2009 CTS-V.

Hell, the 2012 C63 starts at $58k and the 2012 CTS-V starts at $64k.

heavymetals
06-05-2012, 02:48 PM
Yeah, a 2009 C63 is on average several thousand dollars less than a similarly equipped 2009 CTS-V.

Hell, the 2012 C63 starts at $58k and the 2012 CTS-V starts at $64k.

I would talk to someone who has one.

A 2013 AMG C63 is about $125k.

2013 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Coupe Black Series
BASE PRICE $125,000 (est)
DRIVETRAIN Front-engine, RWD, 2-pass, 2-door coupe
ENGINE 6.2-liter/510-hp/457-lb-ft DOHC 32-valve V-8
TRANSMISSION 7-speed automatic
CURB WEIGHT 3700 lb (est)
WHEELBASE 108.9 in
LENGTH X WIDTH X HEIGHT 186.3x69.7x54.6in
EPA CITY/HWY FUEL ECON 10/16 mpg (est)
ENERGY CONSUMPTION, CITY/HWY 337/211 kW-hrs/100 miles
CO2 EMISSIONS 1.61 lb/mile(est)
ON SALE IN U.S. June 2012

I got a ride in Ernie's as he got phucking tired of waiting for his Mallet and got one (not a 2013).

What a spaceship!

A fast spaceship.

BudRacing
06-05-2012, 03:07 PM
Anything with AMG's 6.3 in it is a monster. Got a ride in an R63 once... it was a trade-in at a dealer I used to work with/for. Thing was one funny lookin ride, but it sure was quick.

http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/mercedes/w251/r63_bh/Evosport-MBZ-R63-AMG-003.jpg

heavymetals
06-05-2012, 03:12 PM
If you are gonna compare, compare FAIRLY.

Comparing a CTS-V to a base model MB is not the same as the AMG (which I would consider the MB version of a V).

lunarx
06-05-2012, 09:18 PM
The V1 is a great performance sedan that still holds it's own 8 years later.
Excellent handling, brakes, power and very nicely appointed.
With proper mods it's almost untouchable (in the sedan world) except by much newer sedans, that cost twice as much when new.
With the mods available for a V1 now, its a very fun car to own.

As for finding a faster comparable sedan for under $30K, I don't think it's possible.
Some might say 335, but that's a tiny car and slower than a V1, stock to stock.
G8 GXP is an option but it's very rare and not a V.
The M's and AMG's are good cars but they cost significantly more and don't mod as cost effectively.

liqidvenom
06-05-2012, 10:06 PM
a black series is not the same as a normal amg.... the normal c63 is cheaper then a V2 base for base.

heavymetals
06-05-2012, 10:18 PM
The CTS is the base, not the V2.

liqidvenom
06-05-2012, 10:29 PM
The CTS is the base, not the V2.

i cant tell if you are serious or are messing around here.

base price for a c63 is $58,930
http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicles/model/class-C/model-C63

base price for a 2013 cts-v is $64,515
http://www.cadillac.com/cts-v-luxury-sedan.html


so if no extra options is something you want from a vehicle then the base c63 is cheaper then a base cts-v. The black series is a more serious vehicle then the c63, in the same way a zr1 is more serious then the z06.

its like google isnt available for everyone.

heavymetals
06-05-2012, 10:38 PM
The CTS is the base model for the CTS-V.

If you are gonna compare base models you start there.

If you are gonna compare V8 models, you start with a V.

Semantics it may be.

thebigjimsho
06-05-2012, 11:05 PM
I'm with liquidvenom here. The C63 Black is a skunkworks car. Might as well bring in a Hennessey V that costs $100G and has every mod listed. A C63 is directly comparable to a V2, not a C63 Black...

lunarx
06-05-2012, 11:09 PM
C class has C250 T4, C300 3L V6, C350 3.5L V6, 63 AMG, 63 AMG Black Series (coupe only).
Typical 63 costs more than a V2.
Its hard to get a stripped C63.

lunarx
06-05-2012, 11:10 PM
Actually E63 is the comparable car to V2. C
Class compares with 3 series and ATS.

lollygagger8
06-06-2012, 07:51 AM
I have put more in mods then the cars trade in value, but I didn't buy it as in investment.


I hear you man. There isn't a car out right now that I want over my V1.


^I was thinking the same exact things^

Plus I still get comments all the time....."is that the new Cadillac?" I say "Nah man, it's 8 years old" and I always get...."daaaammmmnnn" as a response. That's worth keeping it right there. :)

Albertan
06-06-2012, 01:41 PM
Interesting discussion. When it came time to get rid of my wife's 2004 CTS, I looked at a Hyundai Genisis Coupe with the 2 litre 275hp 4 cylinder and 8 speed auto. It wasn't here yet, so we looked at and bought a 2010 BMW 135i.
It is a small car which is what we wanted, since our kids are all gone but I'm sure it would give my V1 a run for the money especially if I'm doing the shifting.
A couple of days ago a salesman came by and we were talking cars. He had a 2009 MB C63 AMG. But he really wants a V2!

Gabbiani
06-06-2012, 03:07 PM
Oh dear... didn't mean to start a fight. Just meant it was another neat vehicle I would like to drive but terribly expensive. Talking the $130kish one.

liqidvenom
06-07-2012, 12:46 AM
C class has C250 T4, C300 3L V6, C350 3.5L V6, 63 AMG, 63 AMG Black Series (coupe only).
Typical 63 costs more than a V2.
Its hard to get a stripped C63.

yeah i've never seen a stripper base c63 on a lot. but i think unlike most caddy dealers you can order a c63 at its base price and either do european delivery which saves you money or have it shipped to you which takes like a month or something.

Actually E63 is the comparable car to V2. C
Class compares with 3 series and ATS.

technically a cts is in between the entry level and mid size luxury vehicles as it currently sits. its priced and equiped as a entry level but size wise closer to the 5/e class vehicles. the next cts will move up to that class.

thebigjimsho
06-09-2012, 10:08 AM
Yeah, the competition against argument becomes m00t when the ATS and new CTS finally debut...

liqidvenom
06-09-2012, 04:59 PM
ive seen alot of the ATS....for something so light it looks pretty big

kciaccio
06-10-2012, 12:50 PM
WRX-feel like an economy car with a turbo

Yep, when I drive one that's what I am thinking too. Tinny doors ect..

hatched91
06-11-2012, 12:05 PM
I kinda like the light econobox feel. At least for a toy...but then again I was very attached to my 04 sti. I was dissappointed that the wrx did not have the tire digging, raw aggressive feel my sti did.