Street Racing & Kill Stories - Killer 305?!!!

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/theoretical-street-racing/634313-305-lb9-slow-bull.html

Thought you guys enjoy this for laughs.

So much hate on lt1s lol

LOL I had a 305 3rd gen and so did a lot of people I used to know. We all dumped them for LS1's. They were reliable as hell but god were they slow.

lmao!! I used to have a carb'd 350 in another 280Z awhile back and when I blew that up a former friend and I stuck a stock 305 in it just to get me around until rebuild. The Z was pretty light (~2675), but even at that weight the 305 could only push my car to a 13.8 @ 99 best. An LS car would rape it lol.

People still modify those engines?

lol ,probly a teen with his 1st v8

1 of the thousands of reasons I moved from tgo to lswat.tech....

My 92 305 will always have a special place in my heart. I got my ass handed to me buy an eclipse and i said F$%k it!

Ahhhh I remember high school and drollin over a bad ass new red 91 Camaro.

Got me a Lt1 as soon as I could.....but now my slobalt would rape my old 94 :lol:

Best suggestion on that site was posting it up here, and then doing some lines of Bath Salts to eat everyone's faces...

Need Hio to come in here and save this thread.

i can't see any well driven 6spd LT1 z28 losing to this car...i did say well driven, never heard second, my LT1 rips second and it's a stock auto..a '93 formula or z28 6spd. were good for a 13.8-14.0 showroom stock...the z needs the driver mod...as BAT TA said they were slow, i sold a lady a new '90 t/a with the TBI 305...170hp. auto....talk about being slow, beautiful car, but that was about it...could not spin the tires...Jremix81...yes this was funny...lolol..

Everyone hates on that kid over there. There have even been other threads made just to hate on him.

maybe it a 305 stroker :eek2:. that kid is funny. how old is he??

My slightly modified 305 car got DESTROYED by my buddies LT1 z28 Vert.


It was like a civc vs lambo kill..... That kid is smoking crack.

maybe it's a sprint car 305 engine. lol!!

The best time in my Camaro with the old 305 was a 13.6, but it had a mild cam among other things. It ran door to door with a brand new Auto 96 LT1 T/A, but it never pulled one.

But, either way that kid is a moron.

16.9 @ 79 mph in my 1984 Z28...bitches.

I remember back in the day when I was 14 my cousins and I thought my old 2003 Eclipse 4 banger was quick and my cousin's buddy's 305 3rd gen was fast. Ohh, the younger years!

16.9 @ 79 mph in my 1984 Z28...bitches.:rotflmao:

My brother has a '87 IROC: He took the 305 to it's limits with a SLP T-ram intake, twisted wedge heads, mid sized cam, SLP headers/cats/catback, speed and marine TB, TCI 3000 stall, 3.42 gears, custom chip, full BMR suspension and a bunch of other stuff that netted him low 14's @ 98-99mph.

Pitiful.

He then dropped in a crate 350 with 10 to 1 compression and got it into the high 12's with those same parts. lol

16.9 @ 79 mph in my 1984 Z28...bitches.

That would be a good run for my GF's 99 civic :jest:

That would be a good run for my GF's 99 civic :jest:

Yeah, maybe if she missed a gear :drive:

Psht, she can't drive. And seriously though, it's dropped on shitty suspension with shitty 18's. In August here in Phoenix (over 3k DA?), I went 17.8 at 82 I think. Clutch hates me, and the fucking AWESOME 2.4 60's made for a great night.

reminds me of when i was in high school and my buddy had a 85 t\a 305 auto and did some small stuff to it, could only do a right tire fire lol. then i got in my friends 99 z28 and almost shit my pants lol been a ls1 fan ever since

Psht, she can't drive. And seriously though, it's dropped on shitty suspension with shitty 18's. In August here in Phoenix (over 3k DA?), I went 17.8 at 82 I think. Clutch hates me, and the fucking AWESOME 2.4 60's made for a great night.

Damn you and your blistering trap speed.

My brother has a '87 IROC: He took the 305 to it's limits with a SLP T-ram intake, twisted wedge heads, mid sized cam, SLP headers/cats/catback, speed and marine TB, TCI 3000 stall, 3.42 gears, custom chip, full BMR suspension and a bunch of other stuff that netted him low 14's @ 98-99mph.

Pitiful.

He then dropped in a crate 350 with 10 to 1 compression and got it into the high 12's with those same parts. lol

Where did your brother get his hands on a T-ram at? I believe that's the intake used on the 3rd gen Firehawk. Rare piece!

Now that I think about it, I believe SLP use to sell those seperately. One of the best manifolds for the TPI motors.

Where did your brother get his hands on a T-ram at? I believe that's the intake used on the 3rd gen Firehawk. Rare piece!

Now that I think about it, I believe SLP use to sell those seperately. One of the best manifolds for the TPI motors.And still didnt help haha

When my 87 was still a 305 tpi it went 11.81 @112 on a 150 shot. It had ported sr torquer heads lpe cam 1.6rr's full tpis tpi setup shorty headers 2800 stall 3.73s it took alot but it did go 11's @ 3600lb race weight

The solution here is to drop a ls1 in! Looks+performace.
Mystery solved:D

There have definitely been 305 builds that moved out well. A guy in our car club in college, years back, built his 305 Firebird and ended up running 13.8 @ 104 with it. Carbed motor, stock bottom end, 5-speed. He could never launch it well on the street, but from a roll he ran door to door with my bolt-on LT1 Trans Am.

I've always had good luck with 305's. Hell I had a stock one with only exhaust that was as fast as this turd I've got now when it was stock. They def are sorry but they're hard to kill!

I love 3rd gens but thirdgen.org is just too comical. The word "MULLET" is censored from the website as if if were profanity :jest:

and yes some of those old farts are still modding the TPI and spend $$$$$ to run 12's and not even make 400rwhp :emb:

I love 3rd gens but thirdgen.org is just too comical. The word "MULLET" is censored from the website as if if were profanity :jest:

That's fucking awesome. They might as well just have an open invitation to ridicule them.

I once beat a 305 tbi camaro to 70 or so......




In my old 1991 3.8 na V6 cougar :lol:

Where did your brother get his hands on a T-ram at? I believe that's the intake used on the 3rd gen Firehawk. Rare piece!

Now that I think about it, I believe SLP use to sell those seperately. One of the best manifolds for the TPI motors.
Yeah the T ram is a badass looking manifold but the TPIS miniram and holley stealthram outperform it above 5500rpm. He got the very last one SLP had left when they were selling them, paid like $2,000 for it. The hardest to find part is the eccentric pulley linkage that a auto car requires. He has been offered $3,500+ dollars for that intake by collectors multiple times but refused to sell. Even though he now has a Stealthram intake for it sitting on a shelf.

Here is his cars (91 vert and 87 Ttop):
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/IROCDAVE/BothIROCs7-31-09005.jpg
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/IROCDAVE/BothIROCs7-31-09011.jpg
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/IROCDAVE/2IROCs2008021.jpg
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/IROCDAVE/SLP%20T-Ram%20cruise%20control%20bracket/SLPT-Ramcruisecontrolbracket007.jpg
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/IROCDAVE/BothIROCs7-31-09001.jpg
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/IROCDAVE/BothIROCs7-31-09025.jpg

His boat is badass too!
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/IROCDAVE/New%20boat%20pics/3-25-12boatpics001.jpg
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/IROCDAVE/New%20boat%20pics/3-25-12boatpics008.jpg

And still didnt help haha

Didn't help? :huh:

Those 3rd gen 'hawks went bottom 13's@107-108mph, and 12's with just tires. Faster than any LT1 Firehawk ever produced. Like Sticks-n-Stones said, the intake wasn't as good as some others but a huge improvement over the stock TPI.

Yeah the T ram is a badass looking manifold but the TPIS miniram and holley stealthram outperform it above 5500rpm. He got the very last one SLP had left when they were selling them, paid like $2,000 for it. The hardest to find part is the eccentric pulley linkage that a auto car requires. He has been offered $3,500+ dollars for that intake by collectors multiple times but refused to sell. Even though he now has a Stealthram intake for it sitting on a shelf.

Here is his cars (91 vert and 87 Ttop):
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/IROCDAVE/BothIROCs7-31-09005.jpg
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/IROCDAVE/BothIROCs7-31-09011.jpg
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/IROCDAVE/2IROCs2008021.jpg
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/IROCDAVE/SLP%20T-Ram%20cruise%20control%20bracket/SLPT-Ramcruisecontrolbracket007.jpg
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/IROCDAVE/BothIROCs7-31-09001.jpghttp://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/IROCDAVE/CopyofIROCConvertible17SLPwheels006.jpg
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/IROCDAVE/BothIROCs7-31-09025.jpg

His boat is badass too!
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/IROCDAVE/New%20boat%20pics/3-25-12boatpics001.jpg
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/IROCDAVE/New%20boat%20pics/3-25-12boatpics008.jpg

Clean IROC, especially the 'vert. And the Boat...:hump:

The boat is a "keeping up with the jones" thing combined with brotherly competition. We have ALWAYS competed to see whose car was faster and who was the better driver.

I got the GTO and he was faster stock, then I modded up and beat him, so he dropped the trick flow heads and got AFR 195's and a bigger cam, so I did a heads/cam and one-upped him again: he was planning a LSx swap until I did the full 402 build and got a nitrous kit. lol so he gave up on the car and got the boat.

A badass 26' Eliminator with a stout big block and more aftermarket mods then you can shake a stick at. Couple thousands watts of stereo with 12 speakers and 3subs build into the plush custom interior plus 78mph on GPS with a jet boat like midrange punch. The mods had to have cost as much as the cost of the boat itself... Seriously. He got a screaming deal on it for $18k and only a few years old... though he had to drive 4 states away to get it out of lake havasu.

!!! Now he is badgering me to buy a offshore boat myself so we can race each other. !!! I can't swim in the deep end of that money pool!!!

My brother has an 87' z28 with a 305. It has intake,full exhaust,a cam,700r4,some sort of heads,and 3.73's and with all that he bet that my bolt-on 98' trans am had no chance. I'll tell you like this my buddies tpi gave me a better run.

Some really nice looking cars up there.

I have thought about this long and hard.

I THINK** the reason these cars are still popular is because these were cheap back in the day and now days. so it was alot of peoples first cars. usually first cars have a special place in peoples hearts, especially "sports cars (lol)"... thats the only reason why i see these cars still alive.. i mean, they are junk with junk motors, and coming from a lt1 guy, they really must be junk motors lol

edit: there are some sexy 3rd gens, but im talking about in general.. which we all know what the average 3rd gen is like.. and who drives them lol

A badass 26' Eliminator with a stout big block and more aftermarket mods then you can shake a stick at. Couple thousands watts of stereo with 12 speakers and 3subs build into the plush custom interior plus 78mph on GPS with a jet boat like midrange punch. The mods had to have cost as much as the cost of the boat itself... Seriously. He got a screaming deal on it for $18k and only a few years old... though he had to drive 4 states away to get it out of lake havasu.

!!! Now he is badgering me to buy a offshore boat myself so we can race each other. !!! I can't swim in the deep end of that money pool!!!

I'd love to upgrade to a 24' VIP Vindicator. Found a CLEAN 02 24' VIP Vindicator open bow with a 496 MAG and Bravo 1 drive for $22,500

Still think I want to try out some supercharged Seadoos first while I'm young

I'd love to upgrade to a 24' VIP Vindicator. Found a CLEAN 02 24' VIP Vindicator open bow with a 496 MAG and Bravo 1 drive for $22,500

Still think I want to try out some supercharged Seadoos first while I'm young

My brother just found a late 90's 25' Vindicator going for $16k out of Arizona for me. tempted to buy it, but damn I've had alot of boats in my life and they all are money pits!

I have thought about this long and hard.

I THINK** the reason these cars are still popular is because these were cheap back in the day and now days. so it was alot of peoples first cars. usually first cars have a special place in peoples hearts, especially "sports cars (lol)"... thats the only reason why i see these cars still alive.. i mean, they are junk with junk motors, and coming from a lt1 guy, they really must be junk motors lol

edit: there are some sexy 3rd gens, but im talking about in general.. which we all know what the average 3rd gen is like.. and who drives them lol

There's a lot of truth here. My first two cars were 3rd gens and neither were anything special, but I loved them all the same. I'd love to pick up a 1988-1990 GTA someday. I've always been a fan of them in burgundy or gray.

89 turbo t\a is pretty bad ass.

I think after reading over this thread I've given up on the idea of modding my L98 Iroc lol. I'm starting to think a 2v mustang is a better peformance foundation than the TPI lol but I see a LS/4l60e swap in my future. I love my 3rd gens but man they're slow.

I have thought about this long and hard.

I THINK** the reason these cars are still popular is because these were cheap back in the day and now days. so it was alot of peoples first cars. usually first cars have a special place in peoples hearts, especially "sports cars (lol)"... thats the only reason why i see these cars still alive.. i mean, they are junk with junk motors, and coming from a lt1 guy, they really must be junk motors lol

edit: there are some sexy 3rd gens, but im talking about in general.. which we all know what the average 3rd gen is like.. and who drives them lol

That's true for most older sports cars. They were def slow but in the end they are just plain ole sbc's and you can make those as fast as you want, not to mention a bbc bolts right in its place. That's why my 92 vert just got a 468 and my 86 iroc had a 454. The LT1 distributor situation well that's gotta be one of the worst ideas ever. My brother in law finally gave up after years of fighting with his and went to a carb and regular distributor.

There are moron's in every type of car out there.

If I ever classified cars in the same category as their owners, I definitely would not be into LSX cars. lol.

That's true for most older sports cars. They were def slow but in the end they are just plain ole sbc's and you can make those as fast as you want, not to mention a bbc bolts right in its place. That's why my 92 vert just got a 468 and my 86 iroc had a 454. The LT1 distributor situation well that's gotta be one of the worst ideas ever. My brother in law finally gave up after years of fighting with his and went to a carb and regular distributor.

thats true... they have giant engine bays, so thats a plus... but yea opti just sucks.. lucky i bought the whole msd system and never had one problem with it.. but i have heard from others with the same system who have tons of problems, its just the luck of the draw with these cars lol

i mean, they are junk with junk motors, and coming from a lt1 guy, they really must be junk motors lol

edit: there are some sexy 3rd gens, but im talking about in general.. which we all know what the average 3rd gen is like.. and who drives them lol

I don't agree at all with this statement. In fact, I think that GM really a good job with the third gens. I wouldn't call the motors junk, I would call the intake/exhaust system JUNK, the motor is just a sbc and can be made to be fast. In fact, change out the intake, throw on a good flowing exhaust system and it will almost run with LT1's. Want to get even crazier, and throw in an LS1 and it will run with 4th gens and even be faster due to the weight difference. Doing an LS swap, and you have a great all around little "sports car". The thing I really like about the third gens and where GM really did a good job was the suspension. Have you ever driven a stock suspension 3rd gens in the twisties? They handle extremely well. My personal iroc has about every suspension modification you can throw at these cars and it handles just on par with a stock newer c5 vette (I have only driven a stock c5, so I don't know how it will stack up against a c6)

I will agree though, that most of the third gen owners don't take time or have the money to make these cars look "sexy" as you say, so they get the mullet/trailer trash persona. Again, my car is also different in that aspect, I have spent lots of money bring mine back from a POS I bought it as to where it is today.

Either way I will probably get flammed for showing some third gen love on a 4th gen site, but LOVE third gens and have to defend them.

the engines were good. dont forget that even the tpi 305's made more hp than the ford 5.0.

however the tpi was a major restriction. the ford really had the advantage there.

the engines were good. dont forget that even the tpi 305's made more hp than the ford 5.0.

however the tpi was a major restriction. the ford really had the advantage there.

That and you couldn't get a 5 speed with the 350. The 5 speed 305's weren't much slower than the auto 350's. I hardly ever saw anybody street racing an auto 5.0. The camaro ran better than the 5.0 from what I saw back then. Imagine is there weren't any 6 speed ls1's and everybody was running cars with just little bolt ons....

Since they were slow as fuck when they came out and the fact that most of them today are 200k mile 305 cars or full blown race cars...they make the perfect sleeper. Slap a ls based motor in them with some dope and you'll be making money all night long. A friend of mine had one with a 383 setup in it, even with a cam thumpin he got way way more races then mysilf in my LS1 car. And both ran the same times. Everyone was scared to run me but would jump at the chance to run a "305" cammed car lol....

That and you couldn't get a 5 speed with the 350. The 5 speed 305's weren't much slower than the auto 350's. I hardly ever saw anybody street racing an auto 5.0. The camaro ran better than the 5.0 from what I saw back then. Imagine is there weren't any 6 speed ls1's and everybody was running cars with just little bolt ons....

another mistake. if the trans they were buying wasn't good enough to handle the torque of a tpi 350 then that's just plain silly.

the 350 tpi made a good bit more power than the 5.0 ford, especially in the later years. but the auto only and the extra weight slowed it down.

I would have liked to see how a stock 350 TPI Formula would run with a stick. Damn GM and their shitty transmission.

I don't agree at all with this statement. In fact, I think that GM really a good job with the third gens. I wouldn't call the motors junk, I would call the intake/exhaust system JUNK, the motor is just a sbc and can be made to be fast. In fact, change out the intake, throw on a good flowing exhaust system and it will almost run with LT1's. Want to get even crazier, and throw in an LS1 and it will run with 4th gens and even be faster due to the weight difference. Doing an LS swap, and you have a great all around little "sports car". The thing I really like about the third gens and where GM really did a good job was the suspension. Have you ever driven a stock suspension 3rd gens in the twisties? They handle extremely well. My personal iroc has about every suspension modification you can throw at these cars and it handles just on par with a stock newer c5 vette (I have only driven a stock c5, so I don't know how it will stack up against a c6)

I will agree though, that most of the third gen owners don't take time or have the money to make these cars look "sexy" as you say, so they get the mullet/trailer trash persona. Again, my car is also different in that aspect, I have spent lots of money bring mine back from a POS I bought it as to where it is today.

Either way I will probably get flammed for showing some third gen love on a 4th gen site, but LOVE third gens and have to defend them.

idk about the whole intake/exhaust thing.. i dont know enough about the cars...

but we had a ls1 t56 swap car that kept up with my friends bolt on c5... buttttt it was 3100lbs and full coil-over suspension/ chrome only everything

Lol... I feel so bad for that kid. He's got an enthusiasm for the sport but he likes to run his mouth a bit too much. He knows enough to hurt himself, unfortunately.

Anyway he couldnt get his HSR setup to work right and just sold that legendary 305 to who knows where. I couldnt give mine away so I guess the joke is on me.

Anyway, looks like he's gonna be over here in a few:

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/ltx-lsx/656083-cheap-lq4-swap-stupid.html

I sold my 305, and now I'm picking up a LQ4. It's a short block, no heads, no oil pan, just crank and cam. My buddy has a pcm from a 98 ws6 6speed, stock ls1 intake, oil pan and some other small parts. I have a nother friend with a complete LS4 and he want 400 for it (lq4 guy want 350). The LS4 is from a 07 Impala SS.

:corn:

I love my thirdgens, and I LOVE TGO. I've learned SO much from the guys over there. There are a lot of good dudes there helping people out so dont paitn them all with that brush, ESPECIALLY that particular board. That IS the riff raff section. The fourth gens are only getting older and cheaper... theyll be there soon, so you guys wont have to feel left out for long. ;)



These thirdgens really are great cars, they're just getting old and worn out. A well-maintained one will surprise you, they can handle very, very well. I dont think you'd see much of a difference if any between third and fourth gens around a track if power levels were the same. We've got several AutoX championships after all. The great thing about thirdgens is that it's so easy to make it whatever you want it to be, from a BBC-powerglide drag car with ladder bars to an LS7 road racer with a Muncie to a twin turbo 400 with a T56. You can do almost any combination of new and old school, corner carving or drag that you want. Theres even a guy that put a C4 IRS in one. Fourth gens are similar in their inherent flexibility, but we are lighter and we are cheaper and its a bit easier to retrofit more exotic setups into our cars.

Don't forget the engines were basically detroit's first attempt at scraping itself out of the 70's nadir for performance. They were crawling out of the days of low compression 455 cubic inch, 170 hp big blocks and trying to do something respectable. Technology then just wasnt where it was now to meet the government regs and still make the kind of power we are used to now. But remember, an 85 305 TPI IROC could hang with most of those 60s muscle cars stock for stock. An 87+ with the L98 could give them a REAL good run. They're very slow by today's standards, but in the late 80's they were very respectable, at least when optioned properly.

Fourth gens are better cars from the factory, no one will dispute that. Fourth gens were better from the factory than first gens too. But the third gens have their place and the sooner all the crappy ones rot and fall off the road the better. ;)

only 1 305ci stands out in my mind and it had a huge Vortech on it. But it did run....

enjoy

http://thirdgenfbody.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/iroc-n-roll-high-tech-performance-may-1998/

just goes to show you, when built correct aint nothing a chevy small block can't do.

Kid at my school had a 87 GTA (305 auto) and talked so much shit with it. he fucking lost to a 03 sunfire LOL