Oil Filter Question
#1
Oil Filter Question
So recently I have been wondering about oil filter change intervals. I'm sure we've all seen synthetic oils that "guarantee" engine protection up to 7500,10k, and even 15k miles. The oils may or may not protect up to that mileage that's not what I'm wondering.
I'm wondering if the oil filters can last that long. On "x" filter you may see 99.9% efficiency or 98.6% efficiency. Does that efficiency remain the same throughout the entire filter life or does it slowly diminish. And if it does is there a general rule as to when the filter becomes bad.
I hope all of this makes sense. Any opinions/facts are welcome.
I'm wondering if the oil filters can last that long. On "x" filter you may see 99.9% efficiency or 98.6% efficiency. Does that efficiency remain the same throughout the entire filter life or does it slowly diminish. And if it does is there a general rule as to when the filter becomes bad.
I hope all of this makes sense. Any opinions/facts are welcome.
#3
No Filter will last that long! Neither will the oil! You're Crazy if your keeping the oil in your engine for 7500 miles! Racing around town in the traffic Heat and haulin ****? That's just Dumb! If you can't afford the oil & Filter don't drive!
#4
I definitely understand the 3000 miles thing. My DD gets every 3500 miles oil and filter.
I know the best thing to do but I'm not wanting to spend ~$50 or more every oil change when I could easily go 7500 miles or more on the oil.
I've seen multiple oil tests backing up the claims of 7500-10k miles but noone ever talks about the filters life.
I know the best thing to do but I'm not wanting to spend ~$50 or more every oil change when I could easily go 7500 miles or more on the oil.
I've seen multiple oil tests backing up the claims of 7500-10k miles but noone ever talks about the filters life.
#7
When you change your oil you are giving in more lubrication which is less wear and tear. Also gets out shavings or particles in the oil. The more you change it the longer the motor lastest.
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#8
The tests are independant labs Blackstone in particular that I sent my OWN personal oil to so there you go and those synthetics that claim engine protection to 7500-15k miles do seem to hold up based upon my own experience.
The OIL life isn't the debate here. The FILTER is what I'm interested in.
Oh BTW that whole 3k/3 month was clever marketing 50+ yrs. ago for the oil manufacturers to make more money PERIOD.
The OIL life isn't the debate here. The FILTER is what I'm interested in.
Oh BTW that whole 3k/3 month was clever marketing 50+ yrs. ago for the oil manufacturers to make more money PERIOD.
#10
The tests are independant labs Blackstone in particular that I sent my OWN personal oil to so there you go and those synthetics that claim engine protection to 7500-15k miles do seem to hold up based upon my own experience.
The OIL life isn't the debate here. The FILTER is what I'm interested in.
Oh BTW that whole 3k/3 month was clever marketing 50+ yrs. ago for the oil manufacturers to make more money PERIOD.
The OIL life isn't the debate here. The FILTER is what I'm interested in.
Oh BTW that whole 3k/3 month was clever marketing 50+ yrs. ago for the oil manufacturers to make more money PERIOD.
#11
I know that it is a moot point but you can't definitively say that your Camrys engine would or would not have lasted this long if you didnt change it every 3k.
I agree 100% that you didn't hurt anything though.
I agree 100% that you didn't hurt anything though.
#13
TECH Junkie
I've owned some fine German cars in the past and the oil filters will last longer than you think. My 911 (genuine Porsche oil filters; 2 of them in these cars) lasted 10,000 miles+ easily. No issues BUT as every owner stated, why take the chance? Change the filters with the oil change. For the past 16 years of Fbody ownership I have used GM oil filters, and now Wix filters, in both my '96 Formula and '01 Trans Am. I have never bypassed changing the oil filter even though I probably could have. For $5 or $6 or whatever you pay for your oil filters, it just isn't worth leaving them on there for 10,000 or more miles. I don't rack up much mileage on my cars but everything is changed at least once a year or 4,000 - 5,000 miles. My cars are not driven hard, usually highway or cruising miles, but if they were hard traffic oriented miles I would probably change more frequently, and the filter would never be left on. Too inexpensive to even consider.
#14
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I've owned some fine German cars in the past and the oil filters will last longer than you think. My 911 (genuine Porsche oil filters; 2 of them in these cars) lasted 10,000 miles+ easily. No issues BUT as every owner stated, why take the chance? Change the filters with the oil change. For the past 16 years of Fbody ownership I have used GM oil filters, and now Wix filters, in both my '96 Formula and '01 Trans Am. I have never bypassed changing the oil filter even though I probably could have. For $5 or $6 or whatever you pay for your oil filters, it just isn't worth leaving them on there for 10,000 or more miles. I don't rack up much mileage on my cars but everything is changed at least once a year or 4,000 - 5,000 miles. My cars are not driven hard, usually highway or cruising miles, but if they were hard traffic oriented miles I would probably change more frequently, and the filter would never be left on. Too inexpensive to even consider.
#16
I agree on all points that it is best to change your oil every 3k miles. I am not disputing that. But from my experience it isn't exactly necessary. The used oil analysis that I have done. (15 or so analysis) it has shown only nominal differences in oil condition from 3000 miles up to 10k on one oil change. That is full synthetic also.
So far it looks like your filter will really last as long as you need it to. Within reason of course I'm not oblivious to the fact that the filter will need changed and I do one every time I change the oil.
Still I haven't seen any opinions or facts regarding the filter itself.
The sludge that has been mentioned isn't there because of not changing your oil on the exactly 3k rule. It is from the oil that is in your engine breaking down over mileage/time. We all know this, and answer me this : If I have seen zero difference in oil life going 3k miles exactly to going 10k so why change it at the 3k mark?
And I recently pulled the factory 87k mile heads off my LS1 and I have zero sludge and all the heads are clean as they should be. In fact the speed shop that pulled the heads asked if the odometer was right because they said that it looked more like a 50k engine than the mileage it actually was. I guess I am doing something right.
So far it looks like your filter will really last as long as you need it to. Within reason of course I'm not oblivious to the fact that the filter will need changed and I do one every time I change the oil.
Still I haven't seen any opinions or facts regarding the filter itself.
The sludge that has been mentioned isn't there because of not changing your oil on the exactly 3k rule. It is from the oil that is in your engine breaking down over mileage/time. We all know this, and answer me this : If I have seen zero difference in oil life going 3k miles exactly to going 10k so why change it at the 3k mark?
And I recently pulled the factory 87k mile heads off my LS1 and I have zero sludge and all the heads are clean as they should be. In fact the speed shop that pulled the heads asked if the odometer was right because they said that it looked more like a 50k engine than the mileage it actually was. I guess I am doing something right.
#17
TECH Fanatic
Just with my own car, I have recently found it to be a waste of money to change perfectly good synthetic oil every 3k, so I disagree with everyone in here condoning that. Both the oil and average filter can last 5-7k no problem, a lot of times you can even go beyond that. That 3k oil change interval is from many years ago. Also, why would anyone even consider going through the trouble of changing the oil and then keeping the same old filter on there?
#18
Just with my own car, I have recently found it to be a waste of money to change perfectly good synthetic oil every 3k, so I disagree with everyone in here condoning that. Both the oil and average filter can last 5-7k no problem, a lot of times you can even go beyond that. That 3k oil change interval is from many years ago. Also, why would anyone even consider going through the trouble of changing the oil and then keeping the same old filter on there?
You sir are understanding what I am saying. I have personally gone 7500 miles on two different types of full synthetic and based upon the oil analysis I received from Blackstone I had 89% and 91% oil life on the oil that I had just drained.
Of course I ALWAYS change the filter when I change the oil. I guess my question is even though the oil will (scientifically proven) last 7500 miles when does the filter become a liability. Is there any data that shows a filters life expectancy?
#20
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If you want to change the oil in longer intervals I'd still recommend replacing the filter(filled w/ clean oil) every 3K miles.