Street Racing & Kill Stories - C6 Z06 vs 2013 GT500 stock for stock roll

*not my z06* found on CF and SVTP
Figures people would want to hear results of these 2, no vids since I guess the dude with the GT500 batteries died on his gopro

All the speculation can conclude..........I have a stock 09Z06...just ran my friends new gt500 with 600 miles........Did quite a few rolls from 75-180...the gt jumped out about half car at the hit on the first run and then the cars stayed dead even all the way over 170..........this was duplicated many times ....The extra weight ofdsets the extra HP apparently.........these cars are very close on the eway.

For being 150whp down think the Z06 did really good and GT500 did pretty good for being 700lbs heavier while racing to that high of speeds

Hmmm, interesting.

These new GT500's are beasts!!! Definitely :sack: worthy.

Definitely a lot of car for $55k base price

But :ripped: - I thought they were 10 second cars with good tires. Why is it side by side to a Z06?

Definitely a lot of car for $55k base price

But :ripped: - I thought they were 10 second cars with good tires. Why is it side by side to a Z06?

What mean Z06 are 10 sec cars all day. And mid 10's on DR's.


Best review so far shows 11.6@125 for magazine test. Supposedly a.Guy has taken his to 11.0-11.1@128 bone stock. But yet to see any real confirmation.

From what I've seen so far from the '13 GT500, stock 1/4 mile & trap numbers are pretty much right there with a C6 Z06...mid 11's@~125mph. You factor in the Z06's aerodynamics and gearing and I'm not surprised on the outcome really.

Figure the GT500 will gain a little bit too once it gets broken in a little more.

What mean Z06 are 10 sec cars all day. And mid 10's on DR's.


Best review so far shows 11.6@125 for magazine test. Supposedly a.Guy has taken his to 11.0-11.1@128 bone stock. But yet to see any real confirmation.
I was merely trolling to incite some reply from Ford fanatics.

Z06's aren't 10 second cars all day. Mid 11's at 125ish on average. Oop just saw Redfire posted the same thing :P

I'm interested to see if it will always need 150whp more to slightly pull the Z06.
Like Cam Only bolt on Z06 vs Bolt/Pullied GT500, both sets of mods I would think would add ~100whp

I'm interested to see if it will always need 150whp more to slightly pull the Z06.
Like Cam Only bolt on Z06 vs Bolt/Pullied GT500, both sets of mods I would think would add ~100whp

I would say yes, unless you strip weight out of the GT500. I think the weight is the achilles heel, I'd add aerodynamics but Ford supposedly has done a lot of tricks to the front end of the GT500.

I know this is going to sound a lot like the "5.0 is maxed out from the factory" argument that came about a couple years ago...but...

I've read a few articles that seem to indicate that the GT500 is sort of a "max effort" car right off the assembly line. Correct me if I'm wrong, but these are the statements I found on the car.

The block is bored to its maximum intended size at 5.8L. = no room left for improvement in displacement.

The blower is already pushing pump gas boost limits at 15lbs. That's a shit load of boost from the factory.

Can anyone confirm or deny these claims? If this is all true, the competition isn't going to have a problem catching up with this car. This would pretty much require the GT500 to runs race fuel and/or add meth injection if it wanted to safely up the boost. Not exactly ideal for people who want to just mod their street/strip car.

Since when are fucking z06s 10 second cars.

Maybe on tires but your typical z06 owner won't even break low 11s.

Good runs! Those new GT500's are insane.

Since when are fucking z06s 10 second cars.

Maybe on tires but your typical z06 owner won't even break low 11s.

Don't listen to that hater shit Ohioborn is talking about. He's just mad because a few guys actually did get into the 10's bone-stock and his Mustang didn't even come close to that.

Ohioborn= Big ass Joke.

Since when are fucking z06s 10 second cars.

Maybe on tires but your typical z06 owner won't even break low 11s.

On a tire in good DA, they are high 10s from what I remember. Mid-high 11's in higher DA and lack of tire/driver mod out here from what I have seen.

Haven't they got like 50whp from tuning alone?
On svtp one guy was told by evolution u can gain 80whp from JLT 127mm, frpp TB, and tune

Haven't they got like 50whp from tuning alone?
On svtp one guy was told by evolution u can gain 80whp from JLT 127mm, frpp TB, and tune

I think they were using a race gas tune for that. 15lb is approaching those types of gains for switching gas.

i want i want i want i want i want i want

sounded like a great race...i agree with RED FIRE 03...the outcome seems about right..i think the best ''ranger'' did on stock tires was 11.02 if i remember correctly...evan smith ran a 11.8 on the shelby hot running it with stock tires...OHIOBORN found a better time at 11.6 which i can easily see with 662hp...has anyone seen the rear tire size on the '13 ???...they seem narrow as hell to me...best to roll race with that car, never beat a Z06 from a dig..

Haven't they got like 50whp from tuning alone?
On svtp one guy was told by evolution u can gain 80whp from JLT 127mm, frpp TB, and tune

That's the wonderful thing about blower cars. lol

sounded like a great race...i agree with RED FIRE 03...the outcome seems about right..i think the best ''ranger'' did on stock tires was 11.02 if i remember correctly...evan smith ran a 11.8 on the shelby hot running it with stock tires...OHIOBORN found a better time at 11.6 which i can easily see with 662hp...has anyone seen the rear tire size on the '13 ???...they seem narrow as hell to me...best to roll race with that car, never beat a Z06 from a dig..

I think they're only like 285/40's or something like that. LOL Guys at Ford said they wanted to keep the tires narrow to keep the steering responsive.

Once modding starts since the Gt500 has forced induction it can get crazy....

Boy is the Zl1 in trouble in regards to straight line speed though the ET is not too far off...

We test drove a 13 gt500 and i was impressed didnt like blind spots on yhe inside but could get use to it. I would like to own one for sure and they have great power. It did deceant on some fast hard corners too. Sales man almost shit him self after i got out and my dad was next lol.

I know this is going to sound a lot like the "5.0 is maxed out from the factory" argument that came about a couple years ago...but...

I've read a few articles that seem to indicate that the GT500 is sort of a "max effort" car right off the assembly line. Correct me if I'm wrong, but these are the statements I found on the car.

The block is bored to its maximum intended size at 5.8L. = no room left for improvement in displacement.

The blower is already pushing pump gas boost limits at 15lbs. That's a shit load of boost from the factory.

Can anyone confirm or deny these claims? If this is all true, the competition isn't going to have a problem catching up with this car. This would pretty much require the GT500 to runs race fuel and/or add meth injection if it wanted to safely up the boost. Not exactly ideal for people who want to just mod their street/strip car.

That's not the best blower out there and I would say its far from max out. I can only imagine what a Whipple or twin turbo set up would do

I know this is going to sound a lot like the "5.0 is maxed out from the factory" argument that came about a couple years ago...but...

I've read a few articles that seem to indicate that the GT500 is sort of a "max effort" car right off the assembly line. Correct me if I'm wrong, but these are the statements I found on the car.

The block is bored to its maximum intended size at 5.8L. = no room left for improvement in displacement.

The blower is already pushing pump gas boost limits at 15lbs. That's a shit load of boost from the factory.

Can anyone confirm or deny these claims? If this is all true, the competition isn't going to have a problem catching up with this car. This would pretty much require the GT500 to runs race fuel and/or add meth injection if it wanted to safely up the boost. Not exactly ideal for people who want to just mod their street/strip car.

It comes with smallest pulley already. Although Jon Lund tuned one and did net right at 50 whp gain. Only way to add boost is udp or swap pulley. . Evolution has said to went 10.02@141 but will not say if was only tire and tune. Wait for magazine review.

Don't listen to that hater shit Ohioborn is talking about. He's just mad because a few guys actually did get into the 10's bone-stock and his Mustang didn't even come close to that.

Ohioborn= Big ass Joke.

Oh please. The car been out for two weeks. Wait till people see good DA with it. And super track rentals. And my mustang did run 10's bone stock. Now a GT should? But yet 7k in mods took me to.mid 10's. Wow still 35k cheaper then a zo6. And I eat its lunch. So not worried. And you speaking with your slow ass shit that competes with none the cars mentioned. And yes slow. Buddy has what you have. Tuned, exhaust on race gas it ran 11.6@123 all night in 500 da. Then on way home he got spanked by me, a 5th Gen, and two vettes.

Oh please. The car been out for two weeks. Wait till people see good DA with it. And super track rentals. And my mustang did run 10's bone stock. Now a GT should? But yet 7k in mods took me to.mid 10's. Wow still 35k cheaper then a zo6. And I eat its lunch. So not worried. And you speaking with your slow ass shit that competes with none the cars mentioned.

while your car is fast, a stock car with a warranty is not apples to apples. just sayin

while your car is fast, a stock car with a warranty is not apples to apples. just sayin

As said should we expect a mustang GT to run 10's? And GT500 been out two weeks for people to buy. Wait till it hits same tracks that Z06 ran its 10 on in super -100 to -200 da. Its going mid 11@126 in bad air. And that is magazine test. Not to mention designed to kill zl1's its already beating z06's stock for stock.

I know this is going to sound a lot like the "5.0 is maxed out from the factory" argument that came about a couple years ago...but...

I've read a few articles that seem to indicate that the GT500 is sort of a "max effort" car right off the assembly line. Correct me if I'm wrong, but these are the statements I found on the car.

The block is bored to its maximum intended size at 5.8L. = no room left for improvement in displacement.

The blower is already pushing pump gas boost limits at 15lbs. That's a shit load of boost from the factory.

Can anyone confirm or deny these claims? If this is all true, the competition isn't going to have a problem catching up with this car. This would pretty much require the GT500 to runs race fuel and/or add meth injection if it wanted to safely up the boost. Not exactly ideal for people who want to just mod their street/strip car.

Motor yes, blower no. The key to the motor is that it can handle well over 1000rwhp. The 11-12s were making 1k rwhp without breaking a sweat. The GT500 can handle about 19-20lbs of boost safely on pump gas. It actually makes ~13lbs as determined from dyno tests (measured electronically).

I know this is going to sound a lot like the "5.0 is maxed out from the factory" argument that came about a couple years ago...but...

I've read a few articles that seem to indicate that the GT500 is sort of a "max effort" car right off the assembly line. Correct me if I'm wrong, but these are the statements I found on the car.

The block is bored to its maximum intended size at 5.8L. = no room left for improvement in displacement.

The blower is already pushing pump gas boost limits at 15lbs. That's a shit load of boost from the factory.

Can anyone confirm or deny these claims? If this is all true, the competition isn't going to have a problem catching up with this car. This would pretty much require the GT500 to runs race fuel and/or add meth injection if it wanted to safely up the boost. Not exactly ideal for people who want to just mod their street/strip car.

the issue they are going to run into is cam timing is fixed and there is only so high boost level pump gas can take.

15 psi in a 4v isnt the limit, but it is close. ive run 16psi on pump with 8.5:1 and never had a problem, but personally racing gas is needed for 17-21 psi.

the issue they are going to run into is cam timing is fixed and there is only so high boost level pump gas can take.

15 psi in a 4v isnt the limit, but it is close. ive run 16psi on pump with 8.5:1 and never had a problem, but personally racing gas is needed for 17-21 psi.

Always use e85. That has been key to the high compression of the 5.0's. Guys running 14-16lbs boost on stock engines. On 93 10-12 seem to be limit.

Wonder how bad it'll beat a ZL1 lol

Oh please. The car been out for two weeks. Wait till people see good DA with it. And super track rentals. And my mustang did run 10's bone stock. Now a GT should? But yet 7k in mods took me to.mid 10's. Wow still 35k cheaper then a zo6. And I eat its lunch. So not worried. And you speaking with your slow ass shit that competes with none the cars mentioned. And yes slow. Buddy has what you have. Tuned, exhaust on race gas it ran 11.6@123 all night in 500 da. Then on way home he got spanked by me, a 5th Gen, and two vettes.

I love how some people keep raggin' on my "slow ass shit", as if I don't have about 3 or 4 Mustang GT's wrapped up in my slow ass shit, as in I could have purchased whatever fast domestic car I wanted to and built it to the moon for what I payed for my "slow ass shit". :rotflmao: Some people just don't get it.

No worries though. Soon I will be building another LSX vehicle. Browsing Craigslist and Autotrader as we speak. Going for single digits this time W/O a power adder.

And your buddy has the 65, I have the 63. Runs mid/low 13s depending.

I love how some people keep raggin' on my "slow ass shit", as if I don't have about 3 or 4 Mustang GT's wrapped up in my slow ass shit, as in I could have purchased whatever fast domestic car I wanted to and built it to the moon for what I payed for my "slow ass shit". :rotflmao: Some people just don't get it.

No worries though. Soon I will be building another LSX vehicle. Browsing Craigslist and Autotrader as we speak. Going for single digits this time W/O a power adder.

And your buddy has the 65, I have the 63. His best is 11.3@123 still on street tires. Runs mid/low 13s depending.

No one cares what you spent. We are in a racing section.

And yep hehas a sl65amg. Also TT Lamborghini. He recently putsches a amg of some kind for his wife, and looked a a ZR1 but decided it was a down grade to even consider for price to performance. But hey he got it like that.

No one cares what you spent. We are in a racing section.

And yep hehas a sl65amg. Also TT Lamborghini. He recently putsches a amg of some kind for his wife, and looked a a ZR1 but decided it was a down grade to even consider for price to performance. But hey he got it like that.

I "got it like that" too, but that's none of your business. :P

You're still a moron though. Don't hate.

No point in flaunting who has money and who has even more of it. I always say im glad that a person has money because there are soo many people broke out there that it puts a smile on my face for the ones who made it. You can always find someone that has a faster car that will be a never ending debate or discussion. I have to admit i love the look of the Gt500 and not comparing apples to apples because real world doesnt really work that way i still would love to own a 06-07 C6 Z06 used pay less. Again thats not apples to apples were talking used but thats my preference.

And yep hehas a sl65amg. Also TT Lamborghini. He recently putsches a amg of some kind for his wife, and looked a a ZR1 but decided it was a down grade to even consider for price to performance. But hey he got it like that.

Suck his :sack: already why dont you!!

No one cares what you spent. We are in a racing section.

And yep hehas a sl65amg. Also TT Lamborghini. He recently putsches a amg of some kind for his wife, and looked a a ZR1 but decided it was a down grade to even consider for price to performance. But hey he got it like that.

What stock car did he own that it would be considered a downgrade to go to a ZR1?

What stock car did he own that it would be considered a downgrade to go to a ZR1?

He don't look at it as stock or anything. He just looks what he has. His lambo is his baby. Its hard to compare about anything to it. Being it makes 1300whp and has raped everything around that has tried to run it. even few 1000whp vettes and Vipers. he mentioned next doing a new Audi R8 then sending to UGR for TT also.

LMR has something for him to lose to then if he's raping everything LOL

He don't look at it as stock or anything. He just looks what he has. His lambo is his baby. Its hard to compare about anything to it. Being it makes 1300whp and has raped everything around that has tried to run it. even few 1000whp vettes and Vipers. he mentioned next doing a new Audi R8 then sending to UGR for TT also.

Gotcha. He's sort of in love with the whole AWD thing. That's cool.

cool story bro

He don't look at it as stock or anything. He just looks what he has. His lambo is his baby. Its hard to compare about anything to it. Being it makes 1300whp and has raped everything around that has tried to run it. even few 1000whp vettes and Vipers. he mentioned next doing a new Audi R8 then sending to UGR for TT also.

Whomever this guy is I guarantee he's not thinking about you right now. :lol:

He don't look at it as stock or anything. He just looks what he has. His lambo is his baby. Its hard to compare about anything to it. Being it makes 1300whp and has raped everything around that has tried to run it. even few 1000whp vettes and Vipers. he mentioned next doing a new Audi R8 then sending to UGR for TT also.

Does he take his car to jiffy lube also to have the oil changed or does he know how to do that on his own?

I wouldn't say the gt500 is maxed out at all to be honest. maybe in bore size? but like it was mentioned before, throw on a whipple, or even a tt kit, and its another story. 15lbs with the stock blower, and 15lbs with a 3.4 whipple are 2 different ball parks.

and someone mentioned comparing a 1300wheel tt lambo, to a 1000wheel vette or viper, just a heads up, 300wheel more than the competition is alot....

I wouldn't say the gt500 is maxed out at all to be honest. maybe in bore size? but like it was mentioned before, throw on a whipple, or even a tt kit, and its another story. 15lbs with the stock blower, and 15lbs with a 3.4 whipple are 2 different ball parks.

and someone mentioned comparing a 1300wheel tt lambo, to a 1000wheel vette or viper, just a heads up, 300wheel more than the competition is alot....

From what I read, it is completely maxed in bore AND stroke. Sure it can handle a ton of power, but think if all of the LT and LS cars and mod motor GT's we bought had been maxed out in bore and stroke from the factory. That doesn't leave a lot of room for a rebuild, let alone any shortblock improvements down the road. Plus, once you get into the upper teens with boost, meth and/or race gas becomes a either a priority or at the very least, a very good idea.

What are the ZL1s running/dynoing with bolt ons?

Anyone that owns a blown car should know what meth can do. It's not a hassle like some might say.

I can't wait to see a 2013 GT500 on the road.

Figure the GT500 will gain a little bit too once it gets broken in a little more.

Here we go again with this BS

Anyone that owns a blown car should know what meth can do. It's not a hassle like some might say.

I can't wait to see a 2013 GT500 on the road.

Exactly, people think running methanol is a chore. I filled my 3 gallon trunk mounted tank like 3 months ago and have maybe used a gallon. 20psi and i could make a tune for 25 if i wanted.

Damn I didn't know that I was over the limit of boost on pump gas :eek2:


Been rolling around on 18psi for the past couple of years :secret2:

Damn I didn't know that I was over the limit of boost on pump gas :eek2:


Been rolling around on 18psi for the past couple of years :secret2:

As long as you dont have a ton of timing thrown at it then you'll continue to be fine. Its a give or take, less boost and more timing, or more boost and less timing.

Guys, keep the tread clean and lay off the insults. This is the exact comparison I'd love to hear but I'm so over you guys insulting each other so often.

I'll have to see video's to believe this. The gt500 has more Horsepower to the wheels than the z06 has to the Flywheel. I highly doubt the 700lb difference is what's holding the gt500 back. I got to drive the gt500, and i have to say, it is nasty

I'll have to see video's to believe this. The gt500 has more Horsepower to the wheels than the z06 has to the Flywheel. I highly doubt the 700lb difference is what's holding the gt500 back. I got to drive the gt500, and i have to say, it is nasty

I sure hope you were being sarcastic here. :suspiciou

Racer's law is a 100 lbs. is a tenth of a second in the 1/4....700 lbs.

Racer's law is a 100 lbs. is a tenth of a second in the 1/4....700 lbs.

That's the general rule, depends where the weight is at though. 700 pounds is A LOT! I know the Cobra's & GT500 have needed roughly 100 or so whp advantage to run with those Z06's from a roll. Those C6 Z's really shine from rolling speeds, I still give the GT500 a slight edge though.

Damn I didn't know that I was over the limit of boost on pump gas :eek2:


Been rolling around on 18psi for the past couple of years :secret2:
Boy your really pushing the limits.:eyes:
As long as you dont have a ton of timing thrown at it then you'll continue to be fine. Its a give or take, less boost and more timing, or more boost and less timing.
This. I guess you have to find a happy medium. Alot of guys especially the 4cyl crowd run more boost /less timing to get the power they want. But then their engine turns more in a switch it's on or off. Alot of guys forget that a good running street car also needs tractability....or they just don't care and want BIG POWA

true... meth in the STi is two switches away... 1 to turn on the pump, 2 switch to the higher boost map on the fly... = i hope you got nitrous!...lol. i am thinking a meth setup in the V but it appears to way more complicated then in the subie... superchargers in V8's require way different routing as far as delivery and tuning is way different then a 4cyl...


Boy your really pushing the limits.:eyes:

This. I guess you have to find a happy medium. Alot of guys especially the 4cyl crowd run more boost /less timing to get the power they want. But then their engine turns more in a switch it's on or off. Alot of guys forget that a good running street car also needs tractability....or they just don't care and want BIG POWA

I know this is going to sound a lot like the "5.0 is maxed out from the factory" argument that came about a couple years ago...but...

I've read a few articles that seem to indicate that the GT500 is sort of a "max effort" car right off the assembly line. Correct me if I'm wrong, but these are the statements I found on the car.

The block is bored to its maximum intended size at 5.8L. = no room left for improvement in displacement.

The blower is already pushing pump gas boost limits at 15lbs. That's a shit load of boost from the factory.

Can anyone confirm or deny these claims? If this is all true, the competition isn't going to have a problem catching up with this car. This would pretty much require the GT500 to runs race fuel and/or add meth injection if it wanted to safely up the boost. Not exactly ideal for people who want to just mod their street/strip car.

Im sure more aggressive, blower oriented cams, true LT's, and cutout(s) will add a good bit of HP. Meth/water injection isnt that daunting of a mod imo. Im sure a better SC or TT will net a good bit more. Then if you convert to E85 you can run a lot more boost. :)

Lol at saying any car is anywhere near maxed out from the factory.

Does it have a warranty? Does it meet noise and emissions standards?

If so, there's a HUGE margin of safety in it.

Boy your really pushing the limits.:eyes:





I know :(

Lol at saying any car is anywhere near maxed out from the factory.

Does it have a warranty? Does it meet noise and emissions standards?

If so, there's a HUGE margin of safety in it.

From what I've researched, the bore cannot be increased on this engine. The stroke cannot be increased on this engine. The boost is within a few lbs of needing to run meth or race gas. Can you think of any other production car on the market that you can say this about? It's edge over the ZL1 can be overcome by a simple pulley swap that would put both cars at roughly the same boost level.

A throttle body and intake tube can net huge gains on any supercharged setup. The same goes for the exhaust and a tune. No car is maxed out from the factory. Cams, ported heads, the list goes on and on. I installed my meth system in a couple of hours on my old sc combo. It lasts a long time and can add a ton of hp if you want to bump the timing to take advantage of it. Also, no switches to worry about either, mine came on when it sensed 2psi and ramped up the flow rate from there. Not much easier than that.

From what I've researched, the bore cannot be increased on this engine. The stroke cannot be increased on this engine. The boost is within a few lbs of needing to run meth or race gas. Can you think of any other production car on the market that you can say this about? It's edge over the ZL1 can be overcome by a simple pulley swap that would put both cars at roughly the same boost level.

Sure, the bore and stroke are limited. That's like saying you can't do much with a stock displacement LSx. It's not true at all.

The 5.4 has the same limitation on stroke and cannot be significantly over-bored, yet people make SICK power with them. You don't need the displacement when you have PSI.

There's no specific boost level where more octane is needed. I've run as much as 31-32psi on straight 93 in a turbo 4 cylinder, and a lot of guys run more than that (36-40psi) on straight pump gas. If the compression is reasonable and timing is low, the engine will take it.

Obviously a blown V8 is a different application, but the same rules apply. The engine is 9:1 compression, so i don't see how 20psi with a safe timing curve would even begin to push the limits...and if it does start to have knock issues with no timing in it, add meth injection and make another 100whp with a few more PSI and a bit more timing.

I see no reason why a bolt-on, pulley, and meth injected tune can't make 800rwhp reliably on these cars, once the aftermarket catches up.

Ford left 50whp on the table in just the tune, nevermind what can be harnessed with full bolt-ons and a boost increase.

There's a ton on the table, waiting to be set free by tuners.

We test drove a 13 gt500 and i was impressed didnt like blind spots on the inside but could get use to it.

Wow, you have never drove a 5th gen Camaro have you? There are no spots, only blinds...

Well it made 748whp with the setup that went 10.0@140+ Idk what gas or if it had method tho. Sure seems to be a decent bit left on the table. Although I have read u can't change the blower pulley because its already so small

Sure, the bore and stroke are limited. That's like saying you can't do much with a stock displacement LSx. It's not true at all.

The 5.4 has the same limitation on stroke and cannot be significantly over-bored, yet people make SICK power with them. You don't need the displacement when you have PSI.

There's no specific boost level where more octane is needed. I've run as much as 31-32psi on straight 93 in a turbo 4 cylinder, and a lot of guys run more than that (36-40psi) on straight pump gas. If the compression is reasonable and timing is low, the engine will take it.

Obviously a blown V8 is a different application, but the same rules apply. The engine is 9:1 compression, so i don't see how 20psi with a safe timing curve would even begin to push the limits...and if it does start to have knock issues with no timing in it, add meth injection and make another 100whp with a few more PSI and a bit more timing.

I see no reason why a bolt-on, pulley, and meth injected tune can't make 800rwhp reliably on these cars, once the aftermarket catches up.

Ford left 50whp on the table in just the tune, nevermind what can be harnessed with full bolt-ons and a boost increase.

There's a ton on the table, waiting to be set free by tuners.

The problem is when you do a tune like that the engine will lack tractability and reliability. Your a tank of bad gas from having to pick up little pieces.

Am I the only one that cares about part throttle drive ability?

I'm sure the gt500 will make slot more power. So will the zl1. Ford is finally producing some decent shit. I think gm should've stuck the ls9 in the Camaro. For all I care they could stop making the vette. Then they could open the Camaro up a bit more.

That'll never happen lol, Corvette is a superior car. And older people with money like vettes not camaros

The problem is when you do a tune like that the engine will lack tractability and reliability. Your a tank of bad gas from having to pick up little pieces.

Am I the only one that cares about part throttle drive ability?

I'm sure the gt500 will make slot more power. So will the zl1. Ford is finally producing some decent shit. I think gm should've stuck the ls9 in the Camaro. For all I care they could stop making the vette. Then they could open the Camaro up a bit more.

totally agree.

wait.. were people actually expecting the gt500 to be faster than the z06?

wait.. were people actually expecting the gt500 to be faster than the z06?

Yes and it might be just as fast. With most gt500 pushing around the 600+whp mark vs the (correction 440+whp) it's a pretty good race between them both. I'm not sure if a zo6 hits 200 stock.

Since the GT500 is keeping up with the Z06, its time for the C7 guys! They upgraded now its time for us. Get that direct injected beast out here!

Pretty sure its like 198 top speed wise. And stock on average make 440-450ish on a dynojet just depends. But engine dyno Katech has not seen more than like 1-2hp difference on them

imagine the torque out of a LS9 varient with direct injection.

Well it made 748whp with the setup that went 10.0@140+ Idk what gas or if it had method tho. Sure seems to be a decent bit left on the table. Although I have read u can't change the blower pulley because its already so small

Where get info of what it made? They haven't said mods it had yet. Only it had a tune and bigs/skinnies and they didn't use launch control. A bunch people have guessed mods.. but evolution will not say till magazine comes out.

You are correct on pulley. Livernoise even mentioned that in their review of one. Stated it was nicer inside then there zl1 also.

I guess people from Evolution has told a few people in the thread
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/2013-shelby-gt500-413/855098-tune-evolutiong-performance.html

Am I the only one that cares about part throttle drive ability?

I'm sure the gt500 will make slot more power. So will the zl1. Ford is finally producing some decent shit. I think gm should've stuck the ls9 in the Camaro. For all I care they could stop making the vette. Then they could open the Camaro up a bit more.

Who says a car can't make power at full throttle and run well at part throttle?


imagine the torque out of a LS9 varient with direct injection.

Thank god none of these companies have been silly enough to use DI in their real motors.

DI is garbage for tuning and reliability.

Thank god none of these companies have been silly enough to use DI in their real motors.

DI is garbage for tuning and reliability.

you better strap in because it's coming

I guess people from Evolution has told a few people in the thread
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/2013-shelby-gt500-413/855098-tune-evolutiong-performance.html

Read it. So bolt ons ntted 750whp...If so that is crazy. Makes me want a 13 GT500. I wonder h wmuch more they can gain with running in some better air.

you better strap in because it's coming


Im sure it is eventually.

By the time it's the only option hopefully the aftermarket will catch up with it.

Idk if that's on what kind of gas tho, cause 150whp from bolt ons is insane if it is just pump gas

The fact is, however, the Z06 is the better platform and it will react much better to mods, thanks to the amazing gearing, huge tires, aerodynamics, and the weight. Add FI to the Z06 and see how it performs.

Damn those are sick.

The fact is, however, the Z06 is the better platform and it will react much better to mods, thanks to the amazing gearing, huge tires, aerodynamics, and the weight. Add FI to the Z06 and see how it performs.

The vette perform bad ass don't get me wrong but the vette is a 427 and you want to add FI? Cam and heads with a shot will do the trick I'm sure don't need FI

The fact is, however, the Z06 is the better platform and it will react much better to mods, thanks to the amazing gearing, huge tires, aerodynamics, and the weight. Add FI to the Z06 and see how it performs.

do serious weight reduction and bolt ons to a '13 gt500 and everything is back where it was.....mods are mods.

Yes and it might be just as fast. With most gt500 pushing around the 600+whp mark vs the (correction 440+whp) it's a pretty good race between them both. I'm not sure if a zo6 hits 200 stock.

i believe zo6 hits the rev limiter at 198. it's a gearing issue.

i would say they are very close in performance. one z06 has hit 10's bone stock and many in the low 11's from 125-129 mph. some people thought the gt500 would be right with the zr1! lol!

fact is the c6 zo6 has been out for years now and it is entirely inevitable that ford would keep up with it one day. but the c7 is coming! and it will be glorious!

i believe zo6 hits the rev limiter at 198. it's a gearing issue.

i would say they are very close in performance. one z06 has hit 10's bone stock and many in the low 11's from 125-129 mph. some people thought the gt500 would be right with the zr1! lol!

fact is the c6 zo6 has been out for years now and it is entirely inevitable that ford would keep up with it one day. but the c7 is coming! and it will be glorious!

Give the car time it hasn't been out long and already mid 11s not bad and trapping pretty good mph.

The vette perform bad ass don't get me wrong but the vette is a 427 and you want to add FI? Cam and heads with a shot will do the trick I'm sure don't need FI...in addition to some boost...will do the trick even better :nod:.

do serious weight reduction and bolt ons to a '13 gt500 and everything is back where it was.....mods are mods.
...and a decent tire...
Although I will say, that even with weight reduction the 500 will never be the car the Z is off the showroom floor while still being light. Interesting match up here. Although I'm tragically disappointed in the Zl.

Let's not have ford bring out the ford gt. I seen the mustang gt , the boss and now the gt500 what do you think the ford gt would be with nothing in its way? If they come back with it.

Buncha ricer talk going on ITT.

The '13 GT500 is a bad motherfucker. Period.

Let's not have ford bring out the ford gt. I seen the mustang gt , the boss and now the gt500 what do you think the ford gt would be with nothing in its way? If they come back with it.Well I'm sure I'd still hate how it looked...granted it'd prolly clean the barn out real quick :nod:

Buncha ricer talk going on ITT.

The '13 GT500 is a bad motherfucker. Period.
I don't remember what ITT is, but screw you :jest:. It's talk, nothing ricer about me....beans :D

Man those cars are incredibly ugly if they come back they better make them look good this time

A ford gt ugly? Ok..

Buncha ricer talk going on ITT.

The '13 GT500 is a bad motherfucker. Period.

Really? Looks like you don't mind joining in on a little "ricer talk" yourself
huh....

Obviously a blown V8 is a different application, but the same rules apply. The engine is 9:1 compression, so i don't see how 20psi with a safe timing curve would even begin to push the limits...and if it does start to have knock issues with no timing in it, add meth injection and make another 100whp with a few more PSI and a bit more timing.

I see no reason why a bolt-on, pulley, and meth injected tune can't make 800rwhp reliably on these cars, once the aftermarket catches up.

Ford left 50whp on the table in just the tune, nevermind what can be harnessed with full bolt-ons and a boost increase.

There's a ton on the table, waiting to be set free by tuners.

Yep, buncha ricer talk alright. :eyes:

Extremely

Really? Looks like you don't mind joining in on a little "ricer talk" yourself
huh....



Yep, buncha ricer talk alright. :eyes:

You don't see the difference between what Beans was saying, and what some other people have been saying? :confused:

The '13 gt500 is a sinister vindicator for ford of epic proportions. With that being said I'd still go buy a nice used C6z and call it a day. That is my opinion for what it matters. However growing up I always had a thing for 4th gens, thank goodness for my wallets sake.lol

i believe zo6 hits the rev limiter at 198. it's a gearing issue.

i would say they are very close in performance. one z06 has hit 10's bone stock and many in the low 11's from 125-129 mph. some people thought the gt500 would be right with the zr1! lol!

fact is the c6 zo6 has been out for years now and it is entirely inevitable that ford would keep up with it one day. but the c7 is coming! and it will be glorious!

this is a good point. the car has been out since 2006 and was marketed as a performance bargain. not a dollar is no object. it still being a benchmark at the end of it's life cycle, shows how special the C6Z is.


how you think this combo will do?

'13 GT500 -LTs, pulley, E85

I don't remember what ITT is, but screw you :jest:. It's talk, nothing ricer about me....beans :D

ITT = In this thread, lol

Really? Looks like you don't mind joining in on a little "ricer talk" yourself
huh....
Yep, buncha ricer talk alright. :eyes:

The car has already seen 50whp gains tune only, and already been to 740+whp with a pulley, basic bolt-ons and tune.

That's fact.

You don't see the difference between what Beans was saying, and what some other people have been saying? :confused:

Thank you.

Ricer talk =

"Slap a blower on a Z06 and see what happens"
"It runs more stock boost than a ZL1"
"It's maxed from the factory, GM offers more potential gains"

Blah, blah, blah.

55K for a brand new 600whp, 200+mph car with 4 seats and a warranty and GM nut-swingers still find ways to spin things in GMs favor.

55K for a brand new 600whp, 200+mph car with 4 seats and a warranty and GM nut-swingers still find ways to spin things in GMs favor.

GM is the best at everything - didn't you know brah? :eek2:

This thread is full of retards, but my favorite part is when Ohio was leghumping his rich "friend" (who is probably just a guy he knows of :lol:) because his own wallet can't compete with Redfire's. :rotflmao: Then he proceeds to do his usual defend to the death at all costs and bash everything else routine.



Carry on. :corn:

do serious weight reduction and bolt ons to a '13 gt500 and everything is back where it was.....mods are mods.

Because you can't do weight reductions on a Z06?

The 2013 GT500 is a badass car no doubt. But it's not in the same category as a Corvette. Before you flame me, think about design intent. The mustang was meant to compete with the camaro, and it does that extremely well. But it isn't the american made Supercar that the corvette is. I'm not a GM nutswinger either. I have designed parts for each of the Big 3.

Bottom line: even if the GT500 beats the C6Z in a straight line, It can't hang with it on a high speed road course.

I'm just excited to see the Big 3 competing in HP wars again, we all win!

The 2013 GT500 is a badass car no doubt. But it's not in the same category as a Corvette. Before you flame me, think about design intent. The mustang was meant to compete with the camaro, and it does that extremely well. But it isn't the american made Supercar that the corvette is. I'm not a GM nutswinger either. I have designed parts for each of the Big 3.

Bottom line: even if the GT500 beats the C6Z in a straight line, It can't hang with it on a high speed road course.

I'm just excited to see the Big 3 competing in HP wars again, we all win!

true, it is what it is, first muscle car to 200mph. fastest enough to run with a c6z is insane. but its not a corvette nor is it supposed to be.

Just crazy 140-160whp more was needed to pull a half car on it. But also crazy that those cars will make over 700whp easy with bolt ons

Just crazy 140-160whp more was needed to pull a half car on it. But also crazy that those cars will make over 700whp easy with bolt ons

Exactly this. Thats a crap ton of power just to edge it out at speed over 120mph.

Are the bottom ends forged on the GT500?

this is a good point. the car has been out since 2006 and was marketed as a performance bargain. not a dollar is no object. it still being a benchmark at the end of it's life cycle, shows how special the C6Z is.


how you think this combo will do?

'13 GT500 -LTs, pulley, E85

Evolution made 748whp with LT's, udp, cold air, TB...No one sure of gas. It ran a 10.02@140 first trip out. Least these are mods floating around. They will not say for sure till magazine come out.

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i372/wnt2gofst/578152_10151777189700648_637822259_n.jpg

This thread is full of retards, but my favorite part is when Ohio was leghumping his rich "friend" (who is probably just a guy he knows of :lol:) because his own wallet can't compete with Redfire's. :rotflmao: Then he proceeds to do his usual defend to the death at all costs and bash everything else routine.



Carry on. :popcorn:

Not worried about his wallet being this is a street racing section and my car would blow his away who cares. He tried to flaunt I mentioned a buddy way ahead of him. I have a few buddies like that. Most ex militray who are now contractors.

Yep, buncha ricer talk alright. :eyes:

Never knew timing/tuning/gasoline limitation and knock was ricer talk, i thought ricers only knew how to rev the shit out of their cars and add badges/stickers/and underglow lighting?


Beans looks like you should change your tone.


"Dat dere z06 is da best we can all know bout dat GM all day, UMERICA BABY"

Sure, the bore and stroke are limited. That's like saying you can't do much with a stock displacement LSx. It's not true at all.

The 5.4 has the same limitation on stroke and cannot be significantly over-bored, yet people make SICK power with them. You don't need the displacement when you have PSI.

There's no specific boost level where more octane is needed. I've run as much as 31-32psi on straight 93 in a turbo 4 cylinder, and a lot of guys run more than that (36-40psi) on straight pump gas. If the compression is reasonable and timing is low, the engine will take it.

Obviously a blown V8 is a different application, but the same rules apply. The engine is 9:1 compression, so i don't see how 20psi with a safe timing curve would even begin to push the limits...and if it does start to have knock issues with no timing in it, add meth injection and make another 100whp with a few more PSI and a bit more timing.

I see no reason why a bolt-on, pulley, and meth injected tune can't make 800rwhp reliably on these cars, once the aftermarket catches up.

Ford left 50whp on the table in just the tune, nevermind what can be harnessed with full bolt-ons and a boost increase.

There's a ton on the table, waiting to be set free by tuners.

Strong this.


Edit:

Saying a car is at its limits from the factory is probably one of the dumbest things ive read on here all day. You don't need displacement in a FI (forced inducted) motor. Perfect example =Imports.

Changing: Heads/Cams/intake/throttle body/headers/exhaust/pulley/meth or E85/raising boost/changing blower/adding turbo/adding nitrous Are all ways to add power to this car. How in the hell would anyone conjure up that it is at its limits from factory? HERP DERP.

Maybe he meant at its limits before having to tear into the motor, dunno tho lol

ITT = In this thread, lol



The car has already seen 50whp gains tune only, and already been to 740+whp with a pulley, basic bolt-ons and tune.

That's fact.



Thank you.

Ricer talk =

"Slap a blower on a Z06 and see what happens"
"It runs more stock boost than a ZL1"
"It's maxed from the factory, GM offers more potential gains"

Blah, blah, blah.

55K for a brand new 600whp, 200+mph car with 4 seats and a warranty and GM nut-swingers still find ways to spin things in GMs favor.

Demon's comment towards you had nothing to do with bashing nor taking anything away from the 2013 GT500. I think you know this already, but I can tell you're one of those guys that has to always have the last word. After all, he owns a 2012 5.0 GT, and doesn't own a Z06. I doubt he'd be brand loyal. It's just that you flamed the thread for "ricer talk", but your previous post was filled with "assumptions", none of which you have no idea about because not much information and testing has been done with this car yet. I understand you have a couple friends with Mustangs and all, but geez, be easy. Don't get so offended over some GM guys stating their own opinions. Do you plan on buying one of these new beasts...GT500 that is?

This thread is full of retards, but my favorite part is when Ohio was leghumping his rich "friend" (who is probably just a guy he knows of :lol:) because his own wallet can't compete with Redfire's. :rotflmao: Then he proceeds to do his usual defend to the death at all costs and bash everything else routine.



Carry on. :corn:

Ironic, that's my favorite part too. :lol:

Demon's comment towards you had nothing to do with bashing nor taking anything away from the 2013 GT500. I think you know this already, but I can tell you're one of those guys that has to always have the last word. After all, he owns a 2012 5.0 GT, and doesn't own a Z06. I doubt he'd be brand loyal. It's just that you flamed the thread for "ricer talk", but your previous post was filled with "assumptions", none of which you have no idea about because not much information and testing has been done with this car yet. I understand you have a couple friends with Mustangs and all, but geez, be easy. Don't get so offended over some GM guys stating their own opinions. Do you plan on buying one of these new beasts...GT500 that is?

I understood his point.

Maybe in a few years but not now. Other financial priorities for the time being, hence the economy car ('12 Cruze) and bike combo for practicality and cheap thrills.

Sorry to burst everyones bubble but the 2013 GT500 is faster than a base (non ZO7) ZO6 around a road course. The 5.4 GT500 was a tad slower than a Ford GT around a track, and the 2013 flat out spanked a FGT around the road course. The FGT and C6Z runs nearly identicle time around the track.

They have a guy over on SVTP that goes by the name DBK. Hes that guy that every car forum has that either works for the company of has inside info. The guy that is always right. I know on the mopar boards its resumespeed, on camaro5 its fbodfather or sum shit. Not sure who it is on Tech. Anyways this is what DBK had to say...

No point to this statement. The assertion is that 2013 GT500 is shit on a road course. Ford GT on it's shitty decade old tires isn't slow around a road course even by today's standards, and GT500 will clobber it.

I know you're not, but when I say it's faster than a Ford GT, I know this specifically based on actual lap times done by Gene Martindale in both cars at the same track. Ford GT was just a useful benchmark because they have lots of them, lots of track time in them, and lots of experience from that program to draw on. The 2012 performance pack GT500 cars were a little bit slower than a Ford GT, 2013 is much faster. The 2013 GT500 is substantially faster around a road course than both an 06 FGT and an 06 Z06. Obviously a 2012 Z06 has gotten substantially faster in nearly 7 years since, and no, a 2013 GT500 is not as fast as that car is now.

He says its faster than a 06 C6Z, but slower than the 2012. Hes speaking on the ring times from the C6Z with the ZO7 package. I believe it ran a 7.22. I dont know whether the base 12 is any better than the 06 so take it for what its worth.

Sorry to burst everyones bubble but the 2013 GT500 is faster than a base (non ZO7) ZO6 around a road course. The 5.4 GT500 was a tad slower than a Ford GT around a track, and the 2013 flat out spanked a FGT around the road course. The FGT and C6Z runs nearly identicle time around the track.

They have a guy over on SVTP that goes by the name DBK. Hes that guy that every car forum has that either works for the company of has inside info. The guy that is always right. I know on the mopar boards its resumespeed, on camaro5 its fbodfather or sum shit. Not sure who it is on Tech. Anyways this is what DBK had to say...


I think it's silly to me how you'd compare it to the 2006 version, and not the latest(12) and the most improved version :eyes:


He says its faster than a 06 C6Z, but slower than the 2012. Hes speaking on the ring times from the C6Z with the ZO7 package. I believe it ran a 7.22. I dont know whether the base 12 is any better than the 06 so take it for what its worth.

Don't you think it's a bit silly to compare it to the 06 version and not the latest and the most improved version(12)? :eyes:

I'd put my money on the Z06 any day of the week.

Don't you think it's a bit silly to compare it to the 06 version and not the latest and the most improved version(12)? :eyes:

I'd put my money on the Z06 any day of the week.

What i think is silly is that you paid no attention when i said take it for what its worth. To me everyone in here would have called BS on the Shelby beating ANY C6Z around a road course no matter the year.

I asked if that 12 version he speaks of had the Z07 package (nearly 100k) and he said yes. So tell me what improvements does a base 12 C6Z have over a 06 C6Z. Also how much faster around a track is the 2012?

What is most silly to me is that we're actually comparing a Mustang to ZO6 performance. Not bc the Z is so much faster, its due to the fact that its actually close enough to compare.

Even tho its a 06 Z you cant tell me that its not mind boggling that a GT500 is WAY faster around a road course.

PCM4Less just had a new GT500 in for a dyno pull. Made something like 578rwhp bone stock on a Dynojet. Just throwing that out there.

What i think is silly is that you paid no attention when i said take it for what its worth. To me everyone in here would have called BS on the Shelby beating ANY C6Z around a road course no matter the year.

I asked if that 12 version he speaks of had the Z07 package (nearly 100k) and he said yes. So tell me what improvements does a base 12 C6Z have over a 06 C6Z. Also how much faster around a track is the 2012?

The biggest improvement came with the stock tire change. The C6Z is considerably faster around the track than it was 6 years ago.

I really think the only chance a GT500 has against the C6Z is in a straight line. If the GT500 can't significantly pull on the C6Z in a straight line how is it going to hang (turn and stop) with a car that's 700lbs lighter? This would defy logic but I'll wait and see.


The stock C6Z06 7:42 time at the ring was from 2005 when testers were first experiment and getting to know the car. Add a few years to dial in the car and I don't see why any newer C6Z(non Z07) wouldn't do better than 7:42. Heck, the fatty ZL1 went 7:41 recently and it would not hang with a C6Z at a track.

To say the GT500 is faster than a circa 2005 7:42 time but slower than 7:22(z07) is not saying much. It leaves 20 seconds to speculate on.

Improvements between the 2006 vs. 2012? IDK but the "stock drag-tire only" C6Z 1/4 record in 2006 was 11.3's. That record kept improving and now its 10.7's as of December 2011.

So youre saying 20 seconds isnt a lot??? IMO its huge!! If the Shelby runs 10sec faster than the 06 Z and ZL1 id say thats a mojor ass whoopin on a road course. Not nearly as bad as a 10 sec faster lap a LS considering how much larger the Ring is but still a ass whoopin none the less.

The LS7 makes the same power now as it did 6 years ago. I dont have a answer why the records are a 11.3 vs 10.7. Theres a lot a variables like driver and weather. The only thing i can see is maybe gearing but i dont think that has changed either. If the base Z is any quicker than the 06 it would have to be bc of tires. Maybe some suspension tweak but i dont believe anything major was changed. Only major change for the Z was the ZO7 option.

C6 Corvette=Sports Car

GT500 Mustang=Sporty Car












/discussion

C6 Corvette=Sports Car

GT500 Mustang=Sporty Car












/discussion

That would be subjective. I'm sure there are a good deal of people who'd consider the 'Stang a sports car. But I agree, it's not really in the same class as a Vette.

Sorry to burst everyones bubble but the 2013 GT500 is faster than a base (non ZO7) ZO6 around a road course. The 5.4 GT500 was a tad slower than a Ford GT around a track, and the 2013 flat out spanked a FGT around the road course. The FGT and C6Z runs nearly identicle time around the track.

They have a guy over on SVTP that goes by the name DBK. Hes that guy that every car forum has that either works for the company of has inside info. The guy that is always right. I know on the mopar boards its resumespeed, on camaro5 its fbodfather or sum shit. Not sure who it is on Tech. Anyways this is what DBK had to say...





He says its faster than a 06 C6Z, but slower than the 2012. Hes speaking on the ring times from the C6Z with the ZO7 package. I believe it ran a 7.22. I dont know whether the base 12 is any better than the 06 so take it for what its worth.

:rotflmao:

Both lame and moot points, but what else can I else can I expect in a post from you. If your going to comare the GT500 to the Z06, it only makes sense to compare the latest versions of both cars, not using "price or options" to negate facts. Nice try though.

I'd have to see some numbers to back up his claims

He wasn't comparing them. He was referring to a comparison that was made as a performance benchmark.

So youre saying 20 seconds isnt a lot??? IMO its huge!! If the Shelby runs 10sec faster than the 06 Z and ZL1 id say thats a mojor ass whoopin on a road course. Not nearly as bad as a 10 sec faster lap a LS considering how much larger the Ring is but still a ass whoopin none the less.


I said the opposite, 20 seconds to speculate is A LOT to speculate on.

Saying that its faster than 7:42 doesn't say much. It could be 1-2 seconds faster than the ZL1 for all we know. Should be interesting to see heads-up comparison between the non-Z07 C6Z and the GT500.

I think another impressive thing is that the GT500 makes about 100HP more than the ZL1 and still gets better gas mileage :eek2:

A ford gt ugly? Ok..Yeah, it looks squished...but squished REAL quick!

You don't see the difference between what Beans was saying, and what some other people have been saying? :confused:
Nope :P
ITT = In this thread, lol



The car has already seen 50whp gains tune only, and already been to 740+whp with a pulley, basic bolt-ons and tune.

That's fact.



Thank you.

Ricer talk =

"Slap a blower on a Z06 and see what happens"
"It runs more stock boost than a ZL1"
"It's maxed from the factory, GM offers more potential gains"
Blah, blah, blah.

55K for a brand new 600whp, 200+mph car with 4 seats and a warranty and GM nut-swingers still find ways to spin things in GMs favor.

Yah I guess that's pretty ricer'ish. Nothing is ever maxed out...

:rotflmao:

Both lame and moot points, but what else can I else can I expect in a post from you. If your going to comare the GT500 to the Z06, it only makes sense to compare the latest versions of both cars, not using "price or options" to negate facts. Nice try though.

Coming from me?? Who the fck are you?? U dont know me so dont pretend like you do. What a big ass surprise that its a corvette owner to make a post like this. Butt Hurt much??

He wasn't comparing them. He was referring to a comparison that was made as a performance benchmark.

Exactly!! We all know theyre two totally different animals...

How bout somebody get a Z (plenty of them around) and a GT500 with decent drivers and run them on camera and stop all the bullshit bench racing and mathematical equations. FORDs need more HP than Chevy's to go fast, they always have but how much. And before Ohioborn brings the GT500 vs ZL1 comparo, yes the Gt500 is quicker and faster by about 3 tenths so far stock for stock. 80-100hp for 3 tenths? Good job FORD finally caught up in the pony war after 18 years. Will Chevy respond or surrender?

How bout somebody get a Z (plenty of them around) and a GT500 with decent drivers and run them on camera and stop all the bullshit bench racing and mathematical equations. FORDs need more HP than Chevy's to go fast, they always have but how much. And before Ohioborn brings the GT500 vs ZL1 comparo, yes the Gt500 is quicker and faster by about 3 tenths so far stock for stock. 80-100hp for 3 tenths? Good job FORD finally caught up in the pony war after 18 years. Will Chevy respond or surrender?

18 years?? Who was winning the pony war from 2003-2008? And i know the 5.0 is faster than the SS.

3 tenths?? The Shelby has already gone 11.6. The best the ZL1 has done stock is what? A 12.2?? The rest of the times are mostly mid to high 12's. Oh and lets not forget about the Shelby trapping 10mph faster... Youre right. Great job ford.

ZL1 has gone 11.9x from my understanding.

18 years?? Who was winning the pony war from 2003-2008? And i know the 5.0 is faster than the SS.

3 tenths?? The Shelby has already gone 11.6. The best the ZL1 has done stock is what? A 12.2?? The rest of the times are mostly mid to high 12's. Oh and lets not forget about the Shelby trapping 10mph faster... Youre right. Great job ford.

Man you don’t do any research do you..

Krazy how this thread turned into a nasty debate all because an old Z06 ran door to door with Fords BRAND NEW 662HP monster. And now all the Ford lovers are butt hurt. lol

18 years?? Who was winning the pony war from 2003-2008? And i know the 5.0 is faster than the SS.

3 tenths?? The Shelby has already gone 11.6. The best the ZL1 has done stock is what? A 12.2?? The rest of the times are mostly mid to high 12's. Oh and lets not forget about the Shelby trapping 10mph faster... Youre right. Great job ford.

GTO for 3 years. Aside from the Cobra in 04.

Krazy how this thread turned into a nasty debate all because an old Z06 ran door to door with Fords BRAND NEW 662HP monster. And now all the Ford lovers are butt hurt. lol

Actually it beat the zo6 so now most wonder how it would do against the zr1 since we all know the zl1 would be a waste of time :angel:

Krazy how this thread turned into a nasty debate all because an old Z06 ran door to door with Fords BRAND NEW 662HP monster. And now all the Ford lovers are butt hurt. lol

There it is, I can't believe it took this long for someone to say it. That is one of the dumbest arguments on this site. My OLD whatever hung with or beat something new. Who gives a shit? Is there a stock car on here anywhere? If anyone ever goes to the drag strip/street races you will see plenty of old cars that will hand you your ass on a plate. Run what you brung and hope you brung enough. There is always someone faster. :drive:

GTO for 0 years. Aside from the Cobra/mach in 04.

Fixed

So 3v mustangs outran LS2 goats? Right.

GTO wasn't a pony car.

Actually it beat the zo6 so now most wonder how it would do against the zr1 since we all know the zl1 would be a waste of time :angel:

Prolly lose by atleast 6 cars, same amount a stock Z06 should lose to a ZR1 by. Or a Half car better since thats all the GT500 pulled the Z06 by which was all gained on the initial hit and no where else

^probably right I'm sure the zr1 will walk away since I see a 5-8mph difference in trap speed could be wrong. I think it will still be interesting to watch.

18 years?? Who was winning the pony war from 2003-2008? And i know the 5.0 is faster than the SS.

3 tenths?? The Shelby has already gone 11.6. The best the ZL1 has done stock is what? A 12.2?? The rest of the times are mostly mid to high 12's. Oh and lets not forget about the Shelby trapping 10mph faster... Youre right. Great job ford.

Well your right, more like 19 years. The last time the Mustang was faster than a Camaro was 1992. From 1993 until the Camaro didn't exist in 2002 it was serving the Mustang a steady diet of taillights. So I guess the only way for a mustang to beat the Camaro is when it just didn't exist. In the mean time the GTO was giving the Mustang the business for a couple years. Not to mention in the 4th Gen's absence their wasn't a Mustang that matched their numbers at the track, so in a sense even an extinct Camaro was still faster.

Fastest stock time I've seen for the 13 GT500 is 11.6@126? and the fastest for the ZL1 is 11.9@ 120 if i'm not mistaken? so yes 3 tenth's and ok 6 mph. Fastest MODDED time for the GT 500 10.0@140 and the ZL1 is 10.3@135 again
3 tenths and 5 mph. They are both too new to for the verdict to be written in stone. Yes the GT500 has a 100 more HP, but the ZL1 is using a 1.9L blower and has alot of room for growth. Like I said if Chevy chooses not to surrender it can easily pump the ZL1 up to GT500 power numbers. So good job FORD boys, but your not outta the woods yet,so enjoy your time on top:punch:

So 3v mustangs outran LS2 goats? Right.

Not mine. I could pull my boy in his 03 Cobra with my 05 GTO. Both had CAI and Catback from a dig or a roll.

Well your right, more like 19 years. The last time the Mustang was faster than a Camaro was 1992. From 1993 until the Camaro didn't exist in 2002 it was serving the Mustang a steady diet of taillights. So I guess the only way for a mustang to beat the Camaro is when it just didn't exist. In the mean time the GTO was giving the Mustang the business for a couple years. Not to mention in the 4th Gen's absence their wasn't a Mustang that matched their numbers at the track, so in a sense even an extinct Camaro was still faster.

Fastest stock time I've seen for the 13 GT500 is 11.6@126? and the fastest for the ZL1 is 11.9@ 120 if i'm not mistaken? so yes 3 tenth's and ok 6 mph. Fastest MODDED time for the GT 500 10.0@140 and the ZL1 is 10.3@135 again
3 tenths and 5 mph. They are both too new to for the verdict to be written in stone. Yes the GT500 has a 100 more HP, but the ZL1 is using a 1.9L blower and has alot of room for growth. Like I said if Chevy chooses not to surrender it can easily pump the ZL1 up to GT500 power numbers. So good job FORD boys, but your not outta the woods yet,so enjoy your time on top:punch:


19 years ? Ok a 96 cobra and the lt1? The 2000 cobra r still a mustang ? The 2003 cobra ? How is it 19 years ? Sorry but your wrong the camaro wasn't showing no 2003-2004 cobra in stock form any tail lights.

Not mine. I could pull my boy in his 03 Cobra with my 05 GTO. Both had CAI and Catback from a dig or a roll.

Tune your car and tune your boy car see the difference

Saying 2002 ended production as an excuse when let's be real cobra came out 1yr later and look when gm came back 8 years later with the camaro still can't beat the termi.

this thread makes me hate society... nuff said

Yep...

GTO wasn't a pony car.

What was it then? It's got 4 seats, longish nose, short deck, rwd, v8 etc.

The new gt500 is going to kick the zr1's ass in the 1/4 mile with traction and the top speed is killer. If you want something that can handle like crazy than you will want the ZL1. I do like the way the ZL1 looks more than the gt500, but that is expected from someone that owns a camaro lol. Although I seen a ZR1 today and I would rather have it than a ZL1 and a GT500 together.

The new gt500 is going to kick the zr1's ass in the 1/4 mile with traction and the top speed is killer. If you want something that can handle like crazy than you will want the ZL1. I do like the way the ZL1 looks more than the gt500, but that is expected from someone that owns a camaro lol. Although I seen a ZR1 today and I would rather have it than a ZL1 and a GT500 together.

YOUR HIGH!!!!!!! Its okay the new viper is going to slap them all around=)

18 years?? Who was winning the pony war from 2003-2008? And i know the 5.0 is faster than the SS.

3 tenths?? The Shelby has already gone 11.6. The best the ZL1 has done stock is what? A 12.2?? The rest of the times are mostly mid to high 12's. Oh and lets not forget about the Shelby trapping 10mph faster... Youre right. Great job ford.


Stock ZL1 runs 11.9, on stock tires.
http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/n...amaro_zl1.html

and

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/05/04/2...11-93-seconds/

So for a little extra money to buy the GT500(8500$ for the track upgrade, no doubt an incredible car) you have a car thats 3 tenths faster and does 200mph. The ZL1 is slower but not by that big of a margin like everyone is making it out to be. Also Motor Trend verified 11.9 in their review of the ZL1 as they mention it in their vid on youtube.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/05/04/2012-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-runs-quarter-mile-in-11-93-seconds/

sorry previous links werent working

http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2012/May/0504_camaro_zl1.html

F19 years ? Ok a 96 cobra and the lt1? The 2000 cobra r still a mustang ? The 2003 cobra ? How is it 19 years ? Sorry but your wrong the camaro wasn't showing no 2003-2004 cobra in stock form any tail lights.
1993-1997 Fbody Domination...FACT!
Yea the 96-97 LT1 SS 305hp will beat a 96-97Cobra 305hp...been done its a FACT. That doesn't even include the limited run of LT4 SS that would crush every Stang until the Vermy.
1998-2002 F-body Domination can't be argued at all!
2000 Cobra R factory race car 385 HP (1 year) vs. 2001 SLP SS 1LE 345hp is a good match up. Edge Cobra R but not by much and 20k less $ for the SS Strip the the SS down the same as the R and I'd say dead even.
So after the Fbody is gone Ford brings the 2003-2004 Supercharged Cobra, as I said no Camaro to go against. But have seen as many stock LS F-body's go 12's as stock Verminators.
2005-2010 Mustangs still slower than 4th Gen Fbody (except Shelby GT 500)
5th Gen SS still faster than 5th Gen Mustang until the 2012 5.0.
We both had tunes and yes I still had the edge in the GTO, but it was close.
So a 1 model year factory race car, not Regular production Cobra and the 2003-2004 Supercharged Cobra. So for 2 model years out of 2 decades and only after F body was gone. I'm sure had GM decided keep the FBody 2 more years, could have easily just throw some sort of LS6 variant SS to squash that Vermy. That would have surely taken care of that lil problem. None the less it takes FORD to have a Tuner car (Shelby) built to compete. WOW you sure told me:chug:
So according to my math 2012-1993 = 19 years it took FORD to bring Chevy ponycar dominance to an end.
Granted at least for this year the GT 500 faster than the ZL1 and the 5.0 has an edge on the SS. Of course the overall superiority still resides with GM (ZR1).
But props to FORD they have brought some great offerings and have upped the ante.

Again we will see if GM responds:cheers:

Im currently looking at an audi r8 or a 2010 viper acr.

My boy mentioned a 09 gtr and then a bunch of mods and I said hohummm...

My other friend mentioned the 13 gt500 and I actually lol'd...

Its a mustang folks..........yea its kool that 7 years later a 55k mustang can match a 06z06 that cost 70k. But seven years later is a lonnnnnnnnggggggggg time.


Mustang will never be held in the same regard as camaro or especially z06. I applaud ford for finally makeing the gt500 a quick ride. But that dosent erase years and years of being the lowliest and cheapest pony car their is.


Mustang is essentially the honda civic of our world

Im currently looking at an audi r8 or a 2010 viper acr.

My boy mentioned a 09 gtr and then a bunch of mods and I said hohummm...

My other friend mentioned the 13 gt500 and I actually lol'd...

Its a mustang folks..........yea its kool that 7 years later a 55k mustang can match a 06z06 that cost 70k. But seven years later is a lonnnnnnnnggggggggg time.


Mustang will never be held in the same regard as camaro or especially z06. I applaud ford for finally makeing the gt500 a quick ride. But that dosent erase years and years of being the lowliest and cheapest pony car their is.


Mustang is essentially the honda civic of our world

Really? Then the fifth gen camaro must be a prius and the challenger must be an echo?

Thats a bit of an ignorant statement dont you think.

F
1993-1997 Fbody Domination...FACT!
Yea the 96-97 LT1 SS 305hp will beat a 96-97Cobra 305hp...been done its a FACT. That doesn't even include the limited run of LT4 SS that would crush every Stang until the Vermy.
1998-2002 F-body Domination can't be argued at all!
2000 Cobra R factory race car 385 HP (1 year) vs. 2001 SLP SS 1LE 345hp is a good match up. Edge Cobra R but not by much and 20k less $ for the SS Strip the the SS down the same as the R and I'd say dead even.
So after the Fbody is gone Ford brings the 2003-2004 Supercharged Cobra, as I said no Camaro to go against. But have seen as many stock LS F-body's go 12's as stock Verminators.
2005-2010 Mustangs still slower than 4th Gen Fbody (except GT 500)
5th Gen SS still faster than 5th Gen Mustang until the 2012 5.0.
We both had tunes and yes I still had the edge in the GTO, but it was close.
So a 1 model year factory race car, not Regular production Cobra and the 2003-2004 Supercharged Cobra. So for 2 model years out of 2 decades and only after F body was gone. I'm sure had GM decided keep the FBody 2 more years, could have easily just throw some sort of LS6 variant SS to squash that Vermy. That would have surely taken care of that lil problem. None the less it takes FORD to have a Tuner car (Shelby) built to compete. WOW you sure told me:chug:
So according to my math 2012-1993 = 19 years it took FORD to bring Chevy ponycar dominance to an end. Of course the overall superiority still resides with GM .But props to FORD they have brought some great offerings.

Again we will see if GM responds:cheers:


WRONG WRONG WRONG. 95 Cobra R would kill an LT1. A DOHC 96-97 Cobra would beat an LT1-didn't happen much because most people don't know how to drive them. Saying to strip an LS1 to compete with a Cobra R is laughable. From 1992 and up you could order a Saleen or or a Steeda from most dealers and they came with a factory warranty as well. A 93 Cobra was a 2 tenths slower than a 6 speed 342 geared LT1 anything-nothing a socket set and timing gun couldn't solve but after 110MPH the Lt1 would shine. The baddest stock Mustang you could buy from a dealer from the 90s was the S351 which could trap 125MPH and could run 10s with a simple tire swap and still even pass California emmisions with a Ford warranty. The n/a Steedas used the GT40 package on the 92-95s as well and even in mags ran low 13s and trapped 107MPH. Lets not mention the support Ford Motorsport provided for the Mustang as opposed to GM High performance parts. If you lacked power with a stang you could buy Ford parts from your local dealer including a blower(Ford sold one for Fox bodys and even the 96-98 GT cars and change that situation very quickly. An LS1 Fbody will not run with a Terminator stock to stock and running 12s with an Fbody stock was a lot rarer than seeing a Termi do it stock to stock.
And actually a dual cat 323 geared L98 Camaro automatic from 89-92 could run right with a 308 geared 5 speed 5.0 stang from 90 and up due to the 5.0 slowing down with weight increase,MAF conversion and cam swap.

Steeda tuner car
Saleen tuner car
S351. tuner car
Cobra R factory stripped race car.
Shelby tuner car.
Actually a 1LE SS with all the SLP options (air lid, catback, sway bars and springs, bilstien shocks, torsen diff) would absolutely give the Cobra R a good race. Simply stripping the interior as the Cobra R is stripped would simply lower the weight to a point to make it more competitive. What did Cobra R's run mid to high 12's@ 108-112? Stock LS1's would go 12.8-13.1@107-108 routinely, add the SLP lid and SLP cat back on an 01 SS (factory equipt with LS6 intake and Ram Air) you are in the same ballpark with a slight edge to the Cobra R
So I guess I should count a Lingenfelter TT 427 Camaro (which none of those cars could come close to) because it comes with a warranty. I'll concede that FORD had some good collaboration with Tuners and it is cool that they would honor the warranty, but they are still tuner cars. I think for a fair comparison it should go
GT vs. Z28/Trans Am, Cobra vs. SS/WS6 and then all the Specialty stuff vs. well granted GM doesn't have much of that so again it's tuner cars vs. Factory so advantage FORD.
Now I'll give you that most FORD guys can't drive, but LT1 SS ran 13.5@105-106 on average, I don't recall the Cobra matching or topping that. The LT4 SS ran 13.2@109. But my friends had a stock 97 SS and a 95 Formula and had no trouble beating 96-97 DOHC Cobra's. They had the same rated HP, way more Torque and weighed bout the same so i'll still say advantage Fbody. Yes the 1992 1LE Z28 could beat the 92 stang but I was giving FORD the benefit of the doubt since it had the edge for the majority of the 3rd Gen battle. WRONG WRONG WRONG. 95 Cobra R would kill an LT1. A DOHC 96-97 Cobra would beat an LT1-didn't happen much because most people don't know how to drive them. Saying to strip an LS1 to compete with a Cobra R is laughable. From 1992 and up you could order a Saleen or or a Steeda from most dealers and they came with a factory warranty as well. A 93 Cobra was a 2 tenths slower than a 6 speed 342 geared LT1 anything-nothing a socket set and timing gun couldn't solve but after 110MPH the Lt1 would shine. The baddest stock Mustang you could buy from a dealer from the 90s was the S351 which could trap 125MPH and could run 10s with a simple tire swap and still even pass California emmisions with a Ford warranty. The n/a Steedas used the GT40 package on the 92-95s as well and even in mags ran low 13s and trapped 107MPH. Lets not mention the support Ford Motorsport provided for the Mustang as opposed to GM High performance parts. If you lacked power with a stang you could buy Ford parts from your local dealer including a blower(Ford sold one for Fox bodys and even the 96-98 GT cars and change that situation very quickly. An LS1 Fbody will not run with a Terminator stock to stock and running 12s with an Fbody stock was a lot rarer than seeing a Termi do it stock to stock.
And actually a dual cat 323 geared L98 Camaro automatic from 89-92 could run right with a 308 geared 5 speed 5.0 stang from 90 and up due to the 5.0 slowing down with weight increase,MAF conversion and cam swap.

GT500 is a Shelby by name, but it was mainly developed by Ford. Carroll put it input, but Ford built it.

WRONG WRONG WRONG. 95 Cobra R would kill an LT1. A DOHC 96-97 Cobra would beat an LT1-didn't happen much because most people don't know how to drive them. Saying to strip an LS1 to compete with a Cobra R is laughable. From 1992 and up you could order a Saleen or or a Steeda from most dealers and they came with a factory warranty as well. A 93 Cobra was a 2 tenths slower than a 6 speed 342 geared LT1 anything-nothing a socket set and timing gun couldn't solve but after 110MPH the Lt1 would shine. The baddest stock Mustang you could buy from a dealer from the 90s was the S351 which could trap 125MPH and could run 10s with a simple tire swap and still even pass California emmisions with a Ford warranty. The n/a Steedas used the GT40 package on the 92-95s as well and even in mags ran low 13s and trapped 107MPH. Lets not mention the support Ford Motorsport provided for the Mustang as opposed to GM High performance parts. If you lacked power with a stang you could buy Ford parts from your local dealer including a blower(Ford sold one for Fox bodys and even the 96-98 GT cars and change that situation very quickly. An LS1 Fbody will not run with a Terminator stock to stock and running 12s with an Fbody stock was a lot rarer than seeing a Termi do it stock to stock.
And actually a dual cat 323 geared L98 Camaro automatic from 89-92 could run right with a 308 geared 5 speed 5.0 stang from 90 and up due to the 5.0 slowing down with weight increase,MAF conversion and cam swap.

lol!!!!

Steeda tuner car
Saleen tuner car
S351. tuner car
Cobra R factory stripped race car.
Shelby tuner car.
Actually a 1LE SS with all the SLP options (air lid, catback, sway bars and springs, bilstien shocks, torsen diff) would absolutely give the Cobra R a good race. Simply stripping the interior as the Cobra R is stripped would simply lower the weight to a point to make it more competitive. What did Cobra R's run mid to high 12's@ 108-112? Stock LS1's would go 12.8-13.1@107-108 routinely, add the SLP lid and SLP cat back on an 01 SS (factory equipt with LS6 intake and Ram Air) you are in the same ballpark with a slight edge to the Cobra R
So I guess I should count a Lingenfelter TT 427 Camaro (which none of those cars could come close to) because it comes with a warranty. I'll concede that FORD had some good collaboration with Tuners and it is cool that they would honor the warranty, but they are still tuner cars. I think for a fair comparison it should go
GT vs. Z28/Trans Am, Cobra vs. SS/WS6 and then all the Specialty stuff vs. well granted GM doesn't have much of that so again it's tuner cars vs. Factory so advantage FORD.
Now I'll give you that most FORD guys can't drive, but LT1 SS ran 13.5@105-106 on average, I don't recall the Cobra matching or topping that. The LT4 SS ran 13.2@109. But my friends had a stock 97 SS and a 95 Formula and had no trouble beating 96-97 DOHC Cobra's. They had the same rated HP, way more Torque and weighed bout the same so i'll still say advantage Fbody. Yes the 1992 1LE Z28 could beat the 92 stang but I was giving FORD the benefit of the doubt since it had the edge for the majority of the 3rd Gen battle.

OMG how old are you? Saleen and Steeda cars passed emmissions and had FORD WARRANTIES and could be ordered from a FORD DEALER. Saleen is/was a MANUFACTOR as well as Steeda regarding their cars that were sold through Ford. Their cars passed emmisions certification which you had to pay big bucks for. You could dealer order GT40 package that was DEALER INSTALLED for any 94-95 Mustang and car still had the warranty intact from Ford. LPE can't be intalled by a GM dealer nor ordered by one.
LS1 SS can hang with a Cobra R??????????????????????? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
LT1 SS runs mid 13s and traps 105 MPH average???????????-WRONG. One car did it and it was a ringer in the mags(the red one). Unlike you I OWNED BOTH so I am not partial to either.
So because your friend beat some 96-97 DOHC cars that means they are faster??? It took me almost 100 pases to get my Cobra to run low 13s and trap 103-104MPH depending on the air. You had to shift that car right before the limiter to get the mph which many never did. Launching the car was a freaking nightmare due to low end torque and it being WAY undergeared.
1LE was no faster in the straights than any other non verison with the same motor/trans and gear. In fact in 1992 the Fbody 350 could be a lot faster than the Mustang 5.0 if you didn't have the bucks to get a Saleen/Steeda. How? You could get the dealer installed SLP package which again retained the factory warranty which included headers and SLP catback,SLP runners,CAI and SLP prom. Rated at 275HP. In fact that package was going to be used on an anniversary 1992 350 Z28 in white with orange racing stripes like the original first gens that was killed at the last minute hence it being emmissions legal(the package). You could also add if you had the bucks the Tram manifold,shift kit and bottom end pieces but they were not part of the package and would ruin the warranty. Fastest 92 F body that you could get from a dealer was the Firehawk. Low 13s and trapped 105-107. Fastest third gen ever sans maybe a 1989 Turbo Trans Am which was very fast and could do 165MPH as well.

Im currently looking at an audi r8 or a 2010 viper acr.

My boy mentioned a 09 gtr and then a bunch of mods and I said hohummm...

My other friend mentioned the 13 gt500 and I actually lol'd...

Its a mustang folks..........yea its kool that 7 years later a 55k mustang can match a 06z06 that cost 70k. But seven years later is a lonnnnnnnnggggggggg time.


Mustang will never be held in the same regard as camaro or especially z06. I applaud ford for finally makeing the gt500 a quick ride. But that dosent erase years and years of being the lowliest and cheapest pony car their is.


Mustang is essentially the honda civic of our world
get a 2013 viper:drive:

How old am I? WTF kinda question is that? Old enough to read and comprehend what I wrote about Steeda and Saleen being tuners with cool relationship with FORD, but they are still Mustang tuners. Old enough to have been at the track to watch those cars run exactly what I said they did. Old enough to have owned 4 IROCs so I know about SLP upgrades and what they were capable of and owned a SLP 99SS stock new, then went H/C/I before most on this board. Old enough to have driven DOHC Cobras, Terminators, LT1's, GTO's, CTS-V's, Vettes and Vipers. Worked at a Chevy dealer for 8 years and built some 3rd and 4th gens with SLP and GM Performance parts. Old enough not to give a Rats ass about cars not coming from a FORD plant. Get it,I already acknowledged that it is cool that they had a collaboration with FORD. Old enough to have given FORD credit for stepping up. Old enough to recongnize how to make comparisons of cars that are direct competitors. Old enough to say that we are way off track since this thread was originally about the goofballs trying to compare the GT500 to a Z06. By the way A 1LE does have the advantage of being lighter than most other FBodies that's all I was saying. Last but not least OLD enough to know when this is getting OLD! FORD :swing:much? OMG how old are you? Saleen and Steeda cars passed emmissions and had FORD WARRANTIES and could be ordered from a FORD DEALER. Saleen is/was a MANUFACTOR as well as Steeda regarding their cars that were sold through Ford. Their cars passed emmisions certification which you had to pay big bucks for. You could dealer order GT40 package that was DEALER INSTALLED for any 94-95 Mustang and car still had the warranty intact from Ford. LPE can't be intalled by a GM dealer nor ordered by one.
LS1 SS can hang with a Cobra R??????????????????????? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
LT1 SS runs mid 13s and traps 105 MPH average???????????-WRONG. One car did it and it was a ringer in the mags(the red one). Unlike you I OWNED BOTH so I am not partial to either.
So because your friend beat some 96-97 DOHC cars that means they are faster??? It took me almost 100 pases to get my Cobra to run low 13s and trap 103-104MPH depending on the air. You had to shift that car right before the limiter to get the mph which many never did. Launching the car was a freaking nightmare due to low end torque and it being WAY undergeared.
1LE was no faster in the straights than any other non verison with the same motor/trans and gear. In fact in 1992 the Fbody 350 could be a lot faster than the Mustang 5.0 if you didn't have the bucks to get a Saleen/Steeda. How? You could get the dealer installed SLP package which again retained the factory warranty which included headers and SLP catback,SLP runners,CAI and SLP prom. Rated at 275HP. In fact that package was going to be used on an anniversary 1992 350 Z28 in white with orange racing stripes like the original first gens that was killed at the last minute hence it being emmissions legal(the package). You could also add if you had the bucks the Tram manifold,shift kit and bottom end pieces but they were not part of the package and would ruin the warranty. Fastest 92 F body that you could get from a dealer was the Firehawk. Low 13s and trapped 105-107. Fastest third gen ever sans maybe a 1989 Turbo Trans Am which was very fast and could do 165MPH as well.

OMG how old are you? Saleen and Steeda cars passed emmissions and had FORD WARRANTIES and could be ordered from a FORD DEALER. Saleen is/was a MANUFACTOR as well as Steeda regarding their cars that were sold through Ford. Their cars passed emmisions certification which you had to pay big bucks for. You could dealer order GT40 package that was DEALER INSTALLED for any 94-95 Mustang and car still had the warranty intact from Ford. LPE can't be intalled by a GM dealer nor ordered by one.
LS1 SS can hang with a Cobra R??????????????????????? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
LT1 SS runs mid 13s and traps 105 MPH average???????????-WRONG. One car did it and it was a ringer in the mags(the red one). Unlike you I OWNED BOTH so I am not partial to either.
So because your friend beat some 96-97 DOHC cars that means they are faster??? It took me almost 100 pases to get my Cobra to run low 13s and trap 103-104MPH depending on the air. You had to shift that car right before the limiter to get the mph which many never did. Launching the car was a freaking nightmare due to low end torque and it being WAY undergeared.
1LE was no faster in the straights than any other non verison with the same motor/trans and gear. In fact in 1992 the Fbody 350 could be a lot faster than the Mustang 5.0 if you didn't have the bucks to get a Saleen/Steeda. How? You could get the dealer installed SLP package which again retained the factory warranty which included headers and SLP catback,SLP runners,CAI and SLP prom. Rated at 275HP. In fact that package was going to be used on an anniversary 1992 350 Z28 in white with orange racing stripes like the original first gens that was killed at the last minute hence it being emmissions legal(the package). You could also add if you had the bucks the Tram manifold,shift kit and bottom end pieces but they were not part of the package and would ruin the warranty. Fastest 92 F body that you could get from a dealer was the Firehawk. Low 13s and trapped 105-107. Fastest third gen ever sans maybe a 1989 Turbo Trans Am which was very fast and could do 165MPH as well.

the fail is strong with this one.

How old am I? WTF kinda question is that? Old enough to read and comprehend what I wrote about Steeda and Saleen being tuners with cool relationship with FORD, but they are still Mustang tuners. Old enough to have been at the track to watch those cars run exactly what I said they did. Old enough to have owned 4 IROCs so I know about SLP upgrades and what they were capable of and owned a SLP 99SS stock new, then went H/C/I before most on this board. Old enough to have driven DOHC Cobras, Terminators, LT1's, GTO's, CTS-V's, Vettes and Vipers. Worked at a Chevy dealer for 8 years and built some 3rd and 4th gens with SLP and GM Performance parts. Old enough not to give a Rats ass about cars not coming from a FORD plant. Get it,I already acknowledged that it is cool that they had a collaboration with FORD. Old enough to have given FORD credit for stepping up. Old enough to recongnize how to make comparisons of cars that are direct competitors. Old enough to say that we are way off track since this thread was originally about the goofballs trying to compare the GT500 to a Z06. By the way A 1LE does have the advantage of being lighter than most other FBodies that's all I was saying. Last but not least OLD enough to know when this is getting OLD! FORD :swing:much?


Right. I am a Ford swinger lol. I have had more GMs than Ford. I am not threatened by them. Like most people with a slow LS1 you are threatened by them. 1Le lighter? By what 31 pounds? Yes I had one of those too. Like I said I owned most of them-not watching ones at the track like you and spouting off nonsense in this thread. Your stupidity laced posts rivals a trained monkey

the fail is strong with this one.

You are not even worth a reasonable retort-get fast,learn how to write and get a clue slowpoke

Right. I am a Ford swinger lol. I have had more GMs than Ford. I am not threatened by them. Like most people with a slow LS1 you are threatened by them. 1Le lighter? By what 31 pounds? Yes I had one of those too. Like I said I owned most of them-not watching ones at the track like you and spouting off nonsense in this thread. Your stupidity laced posts rivals a trained monkey



You are not even worth a reasonable retort-get fast,learn how to write and get a clue slowpoke

the ford fanboi-ism is strong in this one.

Im currently looking at an audi r8 or a 2010 viper acr.

My boy mentioned a 09 gtr and then a bunch of mods and I said hohummm...

My other friend mentioned the 13 gt500 and I actually lol'd...

Its a mustang folks..........yea its kool that 7 years later a 55k mustang can match a 06z06 that cost 70k. But seven years later is a lonnnnnnnnggggggggg time.


Mustang will never be held in the same regard as camaro or especially z06. I applaud ford for finally makeing the gt500 a quick ride. But that dosent erase years and years of being the lowliest and cheapest pony car their is.


Mustang is essentially the honda civic of our world

Mustang will never be held in the same regard as a Camaro???? The Mustang is THE ORIGINAL pony car. Without it, the Camaro would not be here to talk about now. The faster stock times have went back an forth through the years. You guys act like it has been total domination since 1964, lol.

You are wrong about it being the Honda Civic of our world also. The Civic gets a lot more respect on this site.

the ford fanboi-ism is strong in this one.

Ok we get it you watch star wars and you are a gm fan boy. I owned 8 fbodys most of them were ls1's 6 mustangs I'm not loyal to any brand both have pros and cons ..To say Ford took 19 years to catch up is just stupid period. He says oh if gm was still making the camaro it would took care of the 03-04 cobra ? The cobra came out 1yr later and answered . Shit gm had 8 yrs to do that with the 2010 camaro. Chevy saw the competition had time to answer to the 2003 cobra /07-09 Gt500 and it failed stock for stock. You can keep making excuses for the reason why the camaro don't have as much power as the mustang Or how its slower because the vette is in its way Or ect.

the ford fanboi-ism is strong in this one.

Matches your second grade writing skills.

Ok we get it you watch star wars and you are a gm fan boy. I owned 8 fbodys most of them were ls1's 6 mustangs I'm not loyal to any brand both have pros and cons ..To say Ford took 19 years to catch up is just stupid period. He says oh if gm was still making the camaro it would took care of the 03-04 cobra ? The cobra came out 1yr later and answered . Shit gm had 8 yrs to do that with the 2010 camaro. Chevy saw the competition had time to answer to the 2003 cobra /07-09 Gt500 and it failed stock for stock. You can keep making excuses for the reason why the camaro don't have as much power as the mustang Or how its slower because the vette is in its way Or ect.

EXACTLY. Guy was posting total crap. GT500 a tuner car I think was the most laughable and then attacking another board member to retort his bullshit. Its always the same kids/clowns that spout out insults about Fords etc-guys with lid/exhaust LS1s that feel threatened...

On with the thread......

WRONG WRONG WRONG. 95 Cobra R would kill an LT1. A DOHC 96-97 Cobra would beat an LT1-didn't happen much because most people don't know how to drive them. Saying to strip an LS1 to compete with a Cobra R is laughable. From 1992 and up you could order a Saleen or or a Steeda from most dealers and they came with a factory warranty as well. A 93 Cobra was a 2 tenths slower than a 6 speed 342 geared LT1 anything-nothing a socket set and timing gun couldn't solve but after 110MPH the Lt1 would shine. The baddest stock Mustang you could buy from a dealer from the 90s was the S351 which could trap 125MPH and could run 10s with a simple tire swap and still even pass California emmisions with a Ford warranty. The n/a Steedas used the GT40 package on the 92-95s as well and even in mags ran low 13s and trapped 107MPH. Lets not mention the support Ford Motorsport provided for the Mustang as opposed to GM High performance parts. If you lacked power with a stang you could buy Ford parts from your local dealer including a blower(Ford sold one for Fox bodys and even the 96-98 GT cars and change that situation very quickly. An LS1 Fbody will not run with a Terminator stock to stock and running 12s with an Fbody stock was a lot rarer than seeing a Termi do it stock to stock.
And actually a dual cat 323 geared L98 Camaro automatic from 89-92 could run right with a 308 geared 5 speed 5.0 stang from 90 and up due to the 5.0 slowing down with weight increase,MAF conversion and cam swap.

The '93 Z28 was actually 3-4 tenths faster than 93 Cobra. And the '95 R vs LT1 SS would be a good run, both around 300hp and run high 13's. 96 Cobra is slower than both, average low 14@100-102. And no the S351 wont go 10's with just tires. MM&FF got one into the 11's though.

The '93 Z28 was actually 3-4 tenths faster than 93 Cobra. And the '95 R vs LT1 SS would be a good run, both around 300hp and run high 13's. 96 Cobra is slower than both, average low 14@100-102. And no the S351 wont go 10's with just tires. MM&FF got one into the 11's though.

I seen so may comparisons of the 96-98 cobra and the lt1 its back and fourth both capable of running high 13s

It doesn't matter. Ford could make a Mustang that ran 9's stock and it would still be put down by brand loyal idiots. I have owned both f bodies and Mustangs over the years and have gotten over the brand loyal blindness bs. The ls is a great platform. My brother and I are currently installing an ls1 in his 68 RS along with a complete TCI sub frame kit. It is going to be a nice ride.

EXACTLY. Guy was posting total crap. GT500 a tuner car I think was the most laughable and then attacking another board member to retort his bullshit. Its always the same kids/clowns that spout out insults about Fords etc-guys with lid/exhaust LS1s that feel threatened...

On with the thread......

I notice that as well. I understand if people like gm better than fords but to just be one sided because you don't like the other Or vise versa is just stupid. Both had their moments on top period Or were very close to each other in performance stock for stock. The ls1 had so much potenial to take on any mustang but dosnt mean it owned every mustang stock for stock.

I seen so may comparisons of the 96-98 cobra and the lt1 its back and fourth both capable of running high 13s

Bullshit. All comparisons had the Cobra in the low 14's. Yes 13s were possible but not common.

You like to talk out your ass quite often I've noticed. :D

It doesn't matter. Ford could make a Mustang that ran 9's stock and it would still be put down by brand loyal idiots. I have owned both f bodies and Mustangs over the years and have gotten over the brand loyal blindness bs. The ls is a great platform. My brother and I are currently installing an ls1 in his 68 RS along with a complete TCI sub frame kit. It is going to be a nice ride.

That's a good choice ,I'm sure it will be a nice ride. I wanted to do a project car with a ls base motor and a t56 in a older model camaro Or firebird

Bullshit. All comparisons had the Cobra in the low 14's. Yes 13s were possible but not common.

You like to talk out your ass quite often I've noticed. :D

Yeah ok I posted one running a 13.7 some showed to be faster and vise versa. I notice you like to be on my nuts because I don't recall the stuff you post I never cared to remember honestly

Yeah ok I posted one running a 13.7 some showed to be faster and vise versa. I notice you like to be on my nuts because I don't recall the stuff you post I never cared to remember honestly

LOL Keep it mature now.

You posted one "freak" time and that was against and LS1 not LT1 for the record. You'll find bottom 14's@100-102 the norm - period. /discussion

Look what others run.. my bad ill keep it mature for you like I was doing http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/sn95-cobras-24/191512-96-98-cobra-stock-quartermile-time.html that's more than one freak time

Look what others run.. my bad ill keep it mature for you like I was doing http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/sn95-cobras-24/191512-96-98-cobra-stock-quartermile-time.html that's more than one freak time

Great, a link w/ no vids/slips. I already know what they are capable of. Average ~14.0 vs high 13's for SS. If your going to compare times use the data for the SS too. Multiple LT1 SS's of both 96 & 97 and average mid-high 13's.

Swear this topic is beaten.

Like I said both cars are capable of running high 13s. Sorry buddy your the one that keeps wanting to beat up at it.

I have one simple question.

Why are we all arguing?

Its the internet guys, you're all just wasting key strokes. You will likely not get your point across no matter what you do. People like what vehicle they like. People will buy what cars they like. There are very few things you can do to change that. Stop bickering like children (you are), and get on with your damn lives. I get that this is a discussion forum but this is getting out of hand.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

Right. I am a Ford swinger lol. I have had more GMs than Ford. I am not threatened by them. Like most people with a slow LS1 you are threatened by them. 1Le lighter? By what 31 pounds? Yes I had one of those too. Like I said I owned most of them-not watching ones at the track like you and spouting off nonsense in this thread. Your stupidity laced posts rivals a trained monkey



You are not even worth a reasonable retort-get fast,learn how to write and get a clue slowpoke

Ok for the last time, read what I wrote and don't get your panties in a bunch.
The 1LE is light enough to be the fastest of the breed and stay a solid 12 second car. Second, I was at the races watching while I wasn't racing to keep tabs on the competition. I'm not threatened by anything cuz it's just racing, somethings always faster. I don't own a SLOW LS1, I own a quick LS1. I didn't insult you. but if you want to insult me and call me a stupid monkey I suggest you get it right, I'm more like a dumbass Gorilla. Luckily your on the other end of a keyboard or you might rethink the insults, because well just because. I may not be worth a reasonable retort which is great since you don't have one. Oh and Don't worry tough guy, i'm fast enough to put every car you listed in my rear view mirror. I got a clue and it's telling me your not worth talking to anymore. So all's well that ends ok, so I'll end this with a FUCK YOU and have a nice day:flipbird:

Ok for the last time, read what I wrote and don't get your panties in a bunch.
The 1LE is light enough to be the fastest of the breed and stay a solid 12 second car. Second, I was at the races watching while I wasn't racing to keep tabs on the competition. I'm not threatened by anything cuz it's just racing, somethings always faster. I don't own a SLOW LS1, I own a quick LS1. I didn't insult you. but if you want to insult me and call me a stupid monkey I suggest you get it right, I'm more like a dumbass Gorilla. Luckily your on the other end of a keyboard or you might rethink the insults. So all's well the ends ok, so I'll end this with a FUCK YOU and have a nice day:flipbird:

Enough said...:cheers:

Soooo, what was this thread about?

I have one simple question.

Why are we all arguing?

Its the internet guys, you're all just wasting key strokes. You will likely not get your point across no matter what you do. People like what vehicle they like. People will buy what cars they like. There are very few things you can do to change that. Stop bickering like children (you are), and get on with your damn lives. I get that this is a discussion forum but this is getting out of hand.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

You are right sir! it is silly isn't it?

No its not silly. The fact is that mustang is so sadly engineered it takes 650 hp to run with a 505 hp chevy.

Thats sad.

Some people only see hp numbers and that alone will sell this car quite well. But theres so much more.

Honestly my money would quickly go to a ctsv over the mustang. Or the zl1 as well.

The 03 cobra is the only recent mustang that ever escaped the mustang stigma. It has style that has aged quite well. Cobra also is much kooler than gt500.sematics I know but damn the 03 cobra is bad ass

No its not silly. The fact is that mustang is so sadly engineered it takes 650 hp to run with a 505 hp chevy.

Thats sad.

Some people only see hp numbers and that alone will sell this car quite well. But theres so much more.

Honestly my money would quickly go to a ctsv over the mustang. Or the zl1 as well.

The 03 cobra is the only recent mustang that ever escaped the mustang stigma. It has style that has aged quite well. Cobra also is much kooler than gt500.sematics I know but damn the 03 cobra is bad ass

So true, I wish that GM would quit playing and slap the 2300TVS on the ZL1 to squash all this over hype of the GT500. Then we wouldn't have to say "but the ZL1 handles better", it would just be more Total Chevy Domination!

Ok we get it you watch star wars and you are a gm fan boy. I owned 8 fbodys most of them were ls1's 6 mustangs I'm not loyal to any brand both have pros and cons ..To say Ford took 19 years to catch up is just stupid period. He says oh if gm was still making the camaro it would took care of the 03-04 cobra ? The cobra came out 1yr later and answered . Shit gm had 8 yrs to do that with the 2010 camaro. Chevy saw the competition had time to answer to the 2003 cobra /07-09 Gt500 and it failed stock for stock. You can keep making excuses for the reason why the camaro don't have as much power as the mustang Or how its slower because the vette is in its way Or ect.

not really. i just seen an incredibly stupid post and had to give some sort of stupid response.

Like I said both cars are capable of running high 13s. Sorry buddy your the one that keeps wanting to beat up at it.

Being "capable" and what it runs normally are two very different things. An LS1 is capable of running 12's, still not a solid 12-second car. Those year Cobra's are ~14.0@101 cars. LT1 SS is a tad faster on average. Dunno why this hurts your feelings so much. This debate was put to rest decades ago.

No its not silly. The fact is that mustang is so sadly engineered it takes 650 hp to run with a 505 hp chevy.

Thats sad.

Some people only see hp numbers and that alone will sell this car quite well. But theres so much more.

Honestly my money would quickly go to a ctsv over the mustang. Or the zl1 as well.

The 03 cobra is the only recent mustang that ever escaped the mustang stigma. It has style that has aged quite well. Cobra also is much kooler than gt500.sematics I know but damn the 03 cobra is bad ass

Not when you compare the mustang to the camaro like it should be.

No its not silly. The fact is that mustang is so sadly engineered it takes 650 hp to run with a 505 hp chevy.

Thats sad.

Some people only see hp numbers and that alone will sell this car quite well. But theres so much more.

Honestly my money would quickly go to a ctsv over the mustang. Or the zl1 as well.

The 03 cobra is the only recent mustang that ever escaped the mustang stigma. It has style that has aged quite well. Cobra also is much kooler than gt500.sematics I know but damn the 03 cobra is bad ass

x4576! :nod:


And to think some guys were predicting this car to run with the ZR1. :jest:

I'm glad I read this whole thread

OMG how old are you? Saleen and Steeda cars passed emmissions and had FORD WARRANTIES and could be ordered from a FORD DEALER. Saleen is/was a MANUFACTOR as well as Steeda regarding their cars that were sold through Ford. Their cars passed emmisions certification which you had to pay big bucks for. You could dealer order GT40 package that was DEALER INSTALLED for any 94-95 Mustang and car still had the warranty intact from Ford. LPE can't be intalled by a GM dealer nor ordered by one.
LS1 SS can hang with a Cobra R??????????????????????? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
LT1 SS runs mid 13s and traps 105 MPH average???????????-WRONG. One car did it and it was a ringer in the mags(the red one). Unlike you I OWNED BOTH so I am not partial to either.
So because your friend beat some 96-97 DOHC cars that means they are faster??? It took me almost 100 pases to get my Cobra to run low 13s and trap 103-104MPH depending on the air. You had to shift that car right before the limiter to get the mph which many never did. Launching the car was a freaking nightmare due to low end torque and it being WAY undergeared.
1LE was no faster in the straights than any other non verison with the same motor/trans and gear. In fact in 1992 the Fbody 350 could be a lot faster than the Mustang 5.0 if you didn't have the bucks to get a Saleen/Steeda. How? You could get the dealer installed SLP package which again retained the factory warranty which included headers and SLP catback,SLP runners,CAI and SLP prom. Rated at 275HP. In fact that package was going to be used on an anniversary 1992 350 Z28 in white with orange racing stripes like the original first gens that was killed at the last minute hence it being emmissions legal(the package). You could also add if you had the bucks the Tram manifold,shift kit and bottom end pieces but they were not part of the package and would ruin the warranty. Fastest 92 F body that you could get from a dealer was the Firehawk. Low 13s and trapped 105-107. Fastest third gen ever sans maybe a 1989 Turbo Trans Am which was very fast and could do 165MPH as well.

You are ridiculous. Just because options are "dealer installed" or certain things have warranties, doesn't make them eligible for the Stang vs Camaro arguement. You could get a stage 3 pulley kit for the cobalt SS Dealer installed with a warranty that would put the Cobalt into the 12's easily. Doesn't make the Cobalt a mid-high 12 second car though does it? Or should we start saying that the stock SS/SC cobalts were easily able to beat the LS2 GTO's right off the showroom floor because GM installed the pulley and warrantied them?

This is your logic.

So true, I wish that GM would quit playing and slap the 2300TVS on the ZL1 to squash all this over hype of the GT500. Then we wouldn't have to say "but the ZL1 handles better", it would just be more Total Chevy Domination!

It doesn't even take a new blower. The GT500 numbers are not all that impressive when you take into account how much more boost its pushing over the ZL1. Ford didn't magically engineer an engine that was so much further ahead of GM. They slapped a smaller pulley on their supercharger and called it a day. We all already know that when you run equal lbs of boost on the LSA it makes AT LEAST the same amount of HP. Their is no doubt which one is the better overall vehicle. The magnetic ride control and IRS on the ZL1 take this car to a completely different level.

...Unless all you want to do is drag race...

It doesn't even take a new blower. The GT500 numbers are not all that impressive when you take into account how much more boost its pushing over the ZL1. Ford didn't magically engineer an engine that was so much further ahead of GM. They slapped a smaller pulley on their supercharger and called it a day. We all already know that when you run equal lbs of boost on the LSA it makes AT LEAST the same amount of HP. Their is no doubt which one is the better overall vehicle. The magnetic ride control and IRS on the ZL1 take this car to a completely different level.

...Unless all you want to do is drag race...

I totally agree. But we still have to say.... but... The Cobra runs more boost or what ever. Fact is there is no magic engineering on the GT500 it's just that FORD went all out with there new ride so I'll give em props for that. Chevy has had the ability to easily equal or exceed those numbers and just chose to bring a "knife to a gun fight", it's a very nice knife but ya know. I don't know if the ZL1 could make up the entire 100 rwhp difference with just a pulley upgrade on the 1900, but at least they could have tried.

I totally agree. But we still have to say.... but... The Cobra runs more boost or what ever. Fact is there is no magic engineering on the GT500 it's just that FORD went all out with there new ride so I'll give em props for that. Chevy has had the ability to easily equal or exceed those numbers and just chose to bring a "knife to a gun fight", it's a very nice knife but ya know. I don't know if the ZL1 could make up the entire 100 rwhp difference with just a pulley upgrade on the 1900, but at least they could have tried.

Personally, I feel the biggest let down by GM on the zl1 is a non-forged rotating assembly. For the people who are going to be searching for more and more power, the cast rotating assembly in the LSA will prove to be a hindrance. second biggest let down is how fat the car is.

Sigh.. SMH.

No its not silly. The fact is that mustang is so sadly engineered it takes 650 hp to run with a 505 hp chevy.

Thats sad.

Some people only see hp numbers and that alone will sell this car quite well. But theres so much more.

Honestly my money would quickly go to a ctsv over the mustang. Or the zl1 as well.

The 03 cobra is the only recent mustang that ever escaped the mustang stigma. It has style that has aged quite well. Cobra also is much kooler than gt500.sematics I know but damn the 03 cobra is bad ass

Sadly engineered? lol so dumb

My 97ss with the slp catback made310hp not 305hp. And my friends 06 cobra ran 1000 times I won probably 900 of them.

My 97ss with the slp catback made310hp not 305hp. And my friends 06 cobra ran 1000 times I won probably 900 of them.


Racing a car that didn't exist you should have won them all.

Sorry
96*

Sorry
96*
didn't know the year of your own car? seems legit.

didn't know the year of your own car? seems legit.

It was a typo and it wasn't his car.

No its not silly. The fact is that mustang is so sadly engineered it takes 650 hp to run with a 505 hp chevy.

Thats not the "mustangs" direct competition.

Thats sad.

If it were true, yes.

Some people only see hp numbers and that alone will sell this car quite well. But theres so much more.

Honestly my money would quickly go to a ctsv over the mustang. Or the zl1 as well.

Will the ZL1 be remotely close to Z06 performance? How about base C6? Not so much.

The 03 cobra is the only recent mustang that ever escaped the mustang stigma. It has style that has aged quite well. Cobra also is much kooler than gt500.sematics I know but damn the 03 cobra is bad ass

Well, I have to agree with the last part. Partly due to my "bias" toward the 03s...:cheers:

Being "capable" and what it runs normally are two very different things. An LS1 is capable of running 12's, still not a solid 12-second car. Those year Cobra's are ~14.0@101 cars. LT1 SS is a tad faster on average. Dunno why this hurts your feelings so much. This debate was put to rest decades ago.

No hurt feelings over here ..Not going to explain but read a few pages back and see why it was brought up

Stop being such Chevy fags.

I wouldn't mind a damn bit owning a fucking 2013 GT500. Would mop 98% of your faggot ass 4th gens.

But I'm already at a stage in my life where the next car is either a CTS-V or a Z06/ZR1.

Personally, I feel the biggest let down by GM on the zl1 is a non-forged rotating assembly. For the people who are going to be searching for more and more power, the cast rotating assembly in the LSA will prove to be a hindrance. second biggest let down is how fat the car is.

Good point, easier for people to do their own pulley change, but a forged motor would be great for safety once the wick gets turned up.

Stop being such Chevy fags.

I wouldn't mind a damn bit owning a fucking 2013 GT500. Would mop 98% of your faggot ass 4th gens.

But I'm already at a stage in my life where the next car is either a CTS-V or a Z06/ZR1.

Um no homo here buddy, just don't like FORD like I don't like men. But if you want a GT 500 that's cool, I think you got a pretty sweet Camaro already. Actually I like the Challeger looks better than both but they don't have enough performance yet. The CTSV would be my choice too if I needed a back seat for my fun car and hadn't made the move over to Vettes. Who knows in couple years I might try to get the Z and the V.

I'd love to have a 13 GT500 as a DD but not as my "fast" weekend car

I'd love to have a 13 GT500 as a DD but not as my "fast" weekend car

Because You already got the bad ass weekend car.

Wow this thread is full of hate and fail. This thread should be burned as an example of what to do to rampant fanboi'ism from both sides.

Don't know why people can't acknowledge the great strides Ford has made, and the inevitable strides Chevy will make with the Camaro to keep up. Competition is GREAT, no matter what side of the Chevy/Ford coin you're on. If people can stop beating off to their bowties and ovals for a minute, they'll see that because of this competition we now have a handful of AWESOME cars to choose from making super power for the price. Even if you're a hardcore Chevy fan, you gotta admit that for a little over 50k, getting a 200mph car with a warranty is pretty good bang for the buck. Once they pump up the Camaro power and maybe shed a few pounds, it will be right there with the GT500, and ahead of it in the curves until Ford decides to ditch that live axle.

At the end of the day, who really gives a fuck what badge the car wears? Speed is speed, power is power, fun is fun.

Because You already got the bad ass weekend car.
lol
Wow this thread is full of hate and fail. This thread should be burned as an example of what to do to rampant fanboi'ism from both sides.

Don't know why people can't acknowledge the great strides Ford has made, and the inevitable strides Chevy will make with the Camaro to keep up. Competition is GREAT, no matter what side of the Chevy/Ford coin you're on. If people can stop beating off to their bowties and ovals for a minute, they'll see that because of this competition we now have a handful of AWESOME cars to choose from making super power for the price. Even if you're a hardcore Chevy fan, you gotta admit that for a little over 50k, getting a 200mph car with a warranty is pretty good bang for the buck. Once they pump up the Camaro power and maybe shed a few pounds, it will be right there with the GT500, and ahead of it in the curves until Ford decides to ditch that live axle.

At the end of the day, who really gives a fuck what badge the car wears? Speed is speed, power is power, fun is fun.
I doubt they match it with the Camaro, they are getting too much into the whole MPG/Environment BS the government is pushing which is retarded. I read they might not even make a C7 Z06 until 2016 and the C7 wont even make over 400hp :eek2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MGLNYV-sQk

lol

I doubt they match it with the Camaro, they are getting too much into the whole MPG/Environment BS the government is pushing which is retarded. I read they might not even make a C7 Z06 until 2016 and the C7 wont even make over 400hp :eek2:

If thats the case I'll officially call it quits on GM's new stuff and rock the old 4th gens and/or c6 vettes.

by C7 I meant the base, not what the Z06 or ZR1 might make

lol

I doubt they match it with the Camaro, they are getting too much into the whole MPG/Environment BS the government is pushing which is retarded. I read they might not even make a C7 Z06 until 2016 and the C7 wont even make over 400hp :eek2:

This is what happens when you accept a government bail out.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/multimedia-exchange/1555173-zr1-vs-gt500-viper.html

http://ls1tech.com/forums/multimedia-exchange/1555173-zr1-vs-gt500-viper.html

That's not a 2013 GT500.

That's not a 2013 GT500.

You sure ??

You sure ??

Look.at the front. Its a 2010-2012. Alao the rear is wrong. And this is tune only 13 GT500 numbers. Guy just had it tuned.


http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i372/wnt2gofst/Gt500dyno.jpg

Damn that's nuts that seems like just a tune will run with a zr1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MGLNYV-sQk

Um thats definitely not stock, so then I guess Livernois ZL1 9.87 @ 140+ should count too then huH?

Um thats definitely not stock, so then I guess Livernois ZL1 9.87 @ 140+ should count too then huH?



Count as what?

Count as what?

Count in the discussion of how the '13 GT500 compares stock to a stock C6Z06 (original point of the thread) ZL1 (direct competitor) or ZR1 (in the video posted) for that matter. One video shows a stock ZR1 racing a full bolt on GT 500 and winning. Some argument over what year it is, then a video of an obviously modded GT500 is posted to show what? So I ask if a modded ZL1 going 9's should be counted in a discussion since it has the fastest run yet. Once modded it becomes irrelevant which car started off better, since cubic dollars, time on the market and R&D can make any car ridiculously fast. That's all.

by C7 I meant the base, not what the Z06 or ZR1 might make

From everything I've read, it seemed like the Base C7 would be rocking a sub 6.0 engine putting out about 440hp

Thats just what I originally heard, but recently read from someone differently that supposedly heard/works for GM. lol so idk what to believe except that I doubt its gonna be as fast as the C6Z or much faster than the C6 LS3. I just hope it looks good and they dont mess with the looks much

This is what happens when you accept a government bail out.

Ford took government money too, they just happen to take it before the bailout, to the tune of 5.9 billion.

No reason that with direct injection we can't keep making this type of power and net better economy. Because of gearing, the 13' GT500 gets 100+ more power and better MPG than the 12'.

Check out some of the single turbo 335i cars running 650whp and getting 30+ mpg. It can be done.

This thread makes me laugh. GT500 Nutswingers are mad. :(

This thread makes me laugh. GT500 Nutswingers are mad. :(

And desperately trying to prove a point. :lol:

This thread makes me laugh. GT500 Nutswingers are mad. :(

I think it's fair to say the nutswinging is coming from both sides in this thread. You have the GT500 camp saying the car will own anything, and you have the GM camp touting the Z06/ZR1 as the awesome sauce.

Despite the origination of the thread, I think it's important to reinforce that the Mustang and Corvette, even in their latest iterations weren't meant to be competitors. The GT500 is going after the ZL1, and in that respect I think it's doing a good job. I think the fact that some of you don't concede that point is where the GM fanboism is coming in strong. It'll be interesting to see what GM does next with their pony car.

Count in the discussion of how the '13 GT500 compares stock to a stock C6Z06 (original point of the thread) ZL1 (direct competitor) or ZR1 (in the video posted) for that matter. One video shows a stock ZR1 racing a full bolt on GT 500 and winning. Some argument over what year it is, then a video of an obviously modded GT500 is posted to show what? So I ask if a modded ZL1 going 9's should be counted in a discussion since it has the fastest run yet. Once modded it becomes irrelevant which car started off better, since cubic dollars, time on the market and R&D can make any car ridiculously fast. That's all.

The video I posted was a car that was talked about earlier. It has bolt ons and not been broke into the engine like the zl1 that went 9's. But also the car I posted just went 9.9 this weekend with more seat time. Also the other car he posted wasn't a 2013 GT500. All you have to.do is watch the video of it and you can clearly see its not.

GM needs to step it up big time IMO. The camaro is a fat ugly pig in comparison

I think it's fair to say the nutswinging is coming from both sides in this thread. You have the GT500 camp saying the car will own anything, and you have the GM camp touting the Z06/ZR1 as the awesome sauce.

Despite the origination of the thread, I think it's important to reinforce that the Mustang and Corvette, even in their latest iterations weren't meant to be competitors. The GT500 is going after the ZL1, and in that respect I think it's doing a good job. I think the fact that some of you don't concede that point is where the GM fanboism is coming in strong. It'll be interesting to see what GM does next with their pony car.

If we are talking about performance, I'll be frank. The ZL1 is behind the GT500 in one category only. The size of the pulley on the blower. The ZL1 has a far more advanced rear end and a far more advanced suspension system. If GM decides to install a smaller pulley for next year (2013), then the ZL1 will reign supreme as the better overall vehicle. We have already seen a pulley swap putting the LSA around 650hp. We are of course comparing a 2012 Chevy to a 2013 Ford. Lets wait and see what the 2013 ZL1 has to offer before we crown a champ. We all know the 2012 GT500 does not compare to the 2012 ZL1 when you look at the total package. Ford stepped up its game, now we just have to see if GM answers.

I'll walk that bitchass gt500 easy in my modafking ram.

How bout somebody get a Z (plenty of them around) and a GT500 with decent drivers and run them on camera and stop all the bullshit bench racing and mathematical equations. FORDs need more HP than Chevy's to go fast, they always have but how much. And before Ohioborn brings the GT500 vs ZL1 comparo, yes the Gt500 is quicker and faster by about 3 tenths so far stock for stock. 80-100hp for 3 tenths? Good job FORD finally caught up in the pony war after 18 years. Will Chevy respond or surrender?
:eek2: I hope you are not serious with this statement ; FORDs need more HP than Chevy's to go fast , they always have.......... (i.e. ) My rebuttal is use the fox body mustangs as a perfect example that you really have it wrong.

:eek2: I hope you are not serious with this statement ; FORDs need more HP than Chevy's to go fast , they always have.......... (i.e. ) My rebuttal is use the fox body mustangs as a perfect example that you really have it wrong.

and the 5th gen...hello...

they can't respond because they need to take weight out and they won't do that.

GM needs to step it up big time IMO. The camaro is a fat ugly pig in comparison

Says the guy with the outdated and totally played out Acura in his sig. :lol:

I think it's fair to say the nutswinging is coming from both sides in this thread. You have the GT500 camp saying the car will own anything, and you have the GM camp touting the Z06/ZR1 as the awesome sauce.

Despite the origination of the thread, I think it's important to reinforce that the Mustang and Corvette, even in their latest iterations weren't meant to be competitors. The GT500 is going after the ZL1, and in that respect I think it's doing a good job. I think the fact that some of you don't concede that point is where the GM fanboism is coming in strong. It'll be interesting to see what GM does next with their pony car.

That was the point of this thread: Z06 vs 'GT500. No one is "touting" anything. Complete Ford nutswinging domination in here. lol

Had the race went the other way and the Z06 was completely destroyed this thread would've gone a completely different route. Facts are facts.

Ford took government money too, they just happen to take it before the bailout, to the tune of 5.9 billion.

No reason that with direct injection we can't keep making this type of power and net better economy. Because of gearing, the 13' GT500 gets 100+ more power and better MPG than the 12'.

Check out some of the single turbo 335i cars running 650whp and getting 30+ mpg. It can be done.

Wow, thats pretty cool.

and the 5th gen...hello...

they can't respond because they need to take weight out and they won't do that.

1LE.
COPO.

Chevy isn't stupid enough to make a light weight mass produced 5th gen because it will begin to out perform the c6.

Imagine if they made a lightweight ZL1 with a smaller pulley. The thing would rape the Z06.

Not "lightweight" per say, just lightER.

1LE.
COPO.

Chevy isn't stupid enough to make a light weight mass produced 5th gen because it will begin to out perform the c6.

Imagine if they made a lightweight ZL1 with a smaller pulley. The thing would rape the Z06.

So than why doesn't gm make the vette faster ? It can compete more with exotics and it won't be in the camaro way. I can tell you why they didn't do that. Is because they didn't think ford would come out with these faster cars.

So than why doesn't gm make the vette faster ? It can compete more with exotics and it won't be in the camaro way. I can tell you why they didn't do that. Is because they didn't think ford would come out with these faster cars.

God some of your comments? How old are you?

God some of your comments? How old are you?

What's wrong with the comments I'm posting. Btw what does my age have to do with it. If people keep referring that the camaro would be faster or out perform the vette than make the vette faster. I really didn't think gm thought ford will come out with these faster cars. So how my age have anything to do what I'm posting? If you think I'm wrong post something worth me reading

Says the guy with the outdated and totally played out Acura in his sig. :lol:

Sorry I dont make the money to blow on brand new vehicles.

Not "lightweight" per say, just lightER.
That'd be nice. Unfortunately, it seems the Alpha platform would have to add weight to keep stability with the V8 models vs the v6 models of the Cadillac ATS. I really hope it sticks to the 150+ weight shed
So than why doesn't gm make the vette faster ? It can compete more with exotics and it won't be in the camaro way. I can tell you why they didn't do that. Is because they didn't think ford would come out with these faster cars.
The Corvette is meant to be America's favorite sport car that the average everyday guy can afford. The Corvette has since made it a bit more unreachable by price hikes, the z06, and zr1, but that is still the intended goal in mind. Lots of performance and awesome handling for as cheap as possible while still making GM a profit

well the vette needing to be top dog has just frustrated non-vette owners for decades.

think '76 455 Trans Am vs. '76 Vette. you get like 50HP just by turning the distributor on that 455. put a "moderate" 068 ra iii cam and its game over. that kind of mentality has stilfed GM. Do you think vette owners really care that a "limited" ZL1 is faster than their vette. i doubt any would consider trading to a camaro. i hardly see a vette owner do more than putt around anyway. they have the ZR1 anyway so i dont know how valid this point is now.