Multimedia Exchange - Want a reason to build a AutoLS car? Watch the video.

Little back story, kid driving his girls evo thought he was gonna beat my Auto C5Z intake Exhaust. after 3 hours of shit talking and bullshit we finally ran. Reran it because he made some excuse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ik7C8CRPW0&feature=relmfu

round 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=O3oewueRbEE

i lol'd

Night night Evo

in video 2 what was that pulling hard up the drivers side? looked like an DSM

in video 2 what was that pulling hard up the drivers side? looked like an DSM


I was wondering the same thing, guy looked like he was about to pull lenghts of the Vette, then the Vette shut down, he deff closed the gap.

Looks like a supra that was creeping up.

Did I hear "night night nigga night night"?....SMFH.

Yeah the car on the driver side was haulin ass. but good race. i miss racing.

Did I hear "night night nigga night night"?....SMFH.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWoxOwpXPcI

2g eclipse/talon was pulling. WTF happen to the vette in the second race? Sounded like he messed up his car.

Fine, I'll bite.

Auto C5Z?

says in the comments it was converted to A4?

seems weird but whatever.

btw that kevin hart vid was hilarious. hes a good comedian

I don't know what was worse, the race or the people in the vette talking....:eek2:

I know where it came from.... ..wasn't the point I was making. Probably the reason I only frequent tech for tech now.

we were being assholes for the video because we know who owns the evo and him and his girl were talking alot of shit the entire night it was one of them nights where I just wanted to lay low. Mike(the shitty camera guy) said after the first race "I am going to scream septa at you from buses ahead" he did scream it, into my ear hahaha.


The car in the left lane was a 800RWHP Porsche monster

Did I hear "night night nigga night night"?....SMFH.

yep! I screamed it because in the mist of talking shit one of the Evo cheerleaders was saying "it's gonna be night night for that Vette!"

you guys sound like bunch of faggots in the video. No one in the history of building cars unless its a serious drag or street car has ever taken the t-56 out of their vette and swapped with an a4..... and if you did swap it it would have been a th400 or something along those lines. no one is impressed.

you guys sound like bunch of faggots in the video. No one in the history of building cars unless its a serious drag or street car has ever taken the t-56 out of their vette and swapped with an a4..... and if you did swap it it would have been a th400 or something along those lines. no one is impressed.

SMH... This is stupidity at it's finest.

you guys sound like bunch of faggots in the video. No one in the history of building cars unless its a serious drag or street car has ever taken the t-56 out of their vette and swapped with an a4..... and if you did swap it it would have been a th400 or something along those lines. no one is impressed.

I'd love to meet you an smack you in the face. I am glad you know so much about my car to know I took the "T56" out of my car. STFU and GTFO of my thread you Troll.

you guys sound like bunch of faggots in the video. No one in the history of building cars unless its a serious drag or street car has ever taken the t-56 out of their vette and swapped with an a4..... and if you did swap it it would have been a th400 or something along those lines. no one is impressed.

not only has it been before, but many highend shops/site vendors have done it so im not sure where you got your info from

OP- good race and badass vette

not only has it been before, but many highend shops/site vendors have done it so im not sure where you got your info from

OP- good race and badass vette

people wonder why LS1Tech is useless anymore then you read his comment lol

I still don't get it??? What's the reason to build an auto Ls car????? What about this vid can someone with a t56 not do?? I love manual trans cause no matter how badass your car is, its all about knowing how to drive it... Dosent take Much effort to do what you did OP smash the gas peddle.

I still don't get it??? What's the reason to build an auto Ls car????? What about this vid can someone with a t56 not do?? I love manual trans cause no matter how badass your car is, its all about knowing how to drive it... Dosent take Much effort to do what you did OP smash the gas peddle.

ummm......

what?

I dont think you have driven a high horsepower auto... and I dont care what ou say you have driven because its the interwebs. both auto and manual have there advantages and disadvantages.

this thread got stupid.

That porsche was NASTY... I noticed it came up to the evo and paced him then headlights came up and he was on the Z... "Holy shit" was my exact phrase. NASTY!

More info vids on the porsche.

you guys sound like bunch of faggots in the video. No one in the history of building cars unless its a serious drag or street car has ever taken the t-56 out of their vette and swapped with an a4..... and if you did swap it it would have been a th400 or something along those lines. no one is impressed.
First, C5Zs don't come with T56s.
Second, plenty of people pull manuals out and go to an auto setup.. Same goes for the Cobra guys.

I was impressed.
I still don't get it??? What's the reason to build an auto Ls car????? What about this vid can someone with a t56 not do?? I love manual trans cause no matter how badass your car is, its all about knowing how to drive it... Dosent take Much effort to do what you did OP smash the gas peddle.
Cause they are nasty from a dig.

Ever driven an auto with over 400Rwhp on the street, let alone 600+? Is it as hard a manual, no. But an average joe is going to put it in a ditch.

Not only do they get shit done from a dig, traction is easier to come by.

Don't start this debate... Buy your manual cause you think it is more fun, cooler, want to impress the girls, etc etc... But being so biased as to say what can an auto do that a manual can't do. How many 3500# sub 400Rwhp manuals have you seen cut 1.4-1.5 short times? There is a reason autos dominate by a long shot on all of the record lists, hell even the highest RWHP list the autos dominate.

Wow, this argument again. Anyone who hates on autos has obviously never been to a dragstrip...

Everyone should just agree to disagree.

I love driving a manual car, but I don't kid myself; i know if I ever want to get serious about ET's or get into high RWHP figures I know that an auto will be my friend.

Not only are they better out of the hole and more consistent at the strip. The M6's are to expensive to maintain if your trying to drag race them with alot of power. The shock to the drivetrain and transmission is not worth the replacement cost just to try and prove a point.

The cost versus the abuse they see makes it a no brainier to switch to a more consistent, cheaper option. It's all in what your looking to do.

For me a H/C car that you take cruising around... M6 all the way, just because I enjoy rowing gears. Even my DD cobalt is a 5-speed just because it can be entertain sometimes when I'm in the mood to drive like Johnny Tran, this doesn't make me a 6-speed nutswinger though. The proof is in the numbers.

How many times will this topic be beaten into the ground?

Oh and "Holy Shit" pretty much sums it up for that Porsche.

I don't get it???? All this guy has done to his car is intake and exhaust it's not a fn 600whp car. How does it take effort not to put it in a ditch??? Lemons?? Second all I said was why I liked manual more and I'll say it again it dosent matter how good a car is/rated its how we'll it's driven. If you can't drive/shift for shit you go nowhere. 2nd I think he's ignorant for the shit he sais on the video and as a response talking about slapping people.

I still don't get it??? What's the reason to build an auto Ls car????? What about this vid can someone with a t56 not do?? I love manual trans cause no matter how badass your car is, its all about knowing how to drive it... Dosent take Much effort to do what you did OP smash the gas peddle.

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but seriously. clearly words arnt getting through. so before you get all

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about your very special unique ability to

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and start talking shit on autos, we all know the real reason that you are

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is because an auto car with a high stall did this to you

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but in the end bra, its all ok because

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lolz. but really both are nice. its the idiots that drive them that are the real problem. however i prefer auto due to its consistency at the drag strip and on the street, plus a high stall makes it a deal breaker.
high stall+built motor+auto+not having to miss a shift=win all day.

I don't get it???? All this guy has done to his car is intake and exhaust it's not a fn 600whp car. How does it take effort not to put it in a ditch??? Lemons?? Second all I said was why I liked manual more and I'll say it again it dosent matter how good a car is/rated its how we'll it's driven. If you can't drive/shift for shit you go nowhere. 2nd I think he's ignorant for the shit he sais on the video and as a response talking about slapping people.

Because, an automatic doesn't make a care more tame. Just more consistent and better suited for dig racing.

6-speed cars can launch well at the tack, people have done it. It is however, alot harder to whoop ass on the street from a dig with a M6. Look at it this way, why carry a heavy TV up stairs when you can take the elevator?

Again, its relative to what your looking to do with the car. No one is hating on your because you like to shift gears. Alot, of manual guys just preach this "automatics are gay and for pussies" shit.

I don't get it???? All this guy has done to his car is intake and exhaust it's not a fn 600whp car. How does it take effort not to put it in a ditch??? Lemons?? Second all I said was why I liked manual more and I'll say it again it dosent matter how good a car is/rated its how we'll it's driven. If you can't drive/shift for shit you go nowhere. 2nd I think he's ignorant for the shit he sais on the video and as a response talking about slapping people.

His car should be putting down 400Rwhp or close.. And weighs right at 3K lbs. Hand the keys of that car on street tires to an average joe and it would be in a ditch.
How about my old car? It would fish tail at 40-50mph and still kick out from 55-60. How many people do you think could have half ass launched that car from anything under 20mph?

It is fine if you like manuals more, it is all opinion. But you were being a tard in the first post.
IMO manual blow dick.. They are fun to drive every once in a while but thats where it ends for me. I like having stupid 60's, pulling the tires, being consistent, not asking for a rematch cause I missed a gear, etc etc... I also think a large stalled auto is way more fun than a manual.
All opinion... Fact? As far as racing goes, autos bitch slap manuals.

Because, an automatic doesn't make a care more tame. Just more consistent and better suited for dig racing.

6-speed cars can launch well at the tack, people have done it. It is however, alot harder to whoop ass on the street from a dig with a M6. Look at it this way, why carry a heavy TV up stairs when you can take the elevator?

Again, its relative to what your looking to do with the car. No one is hating on your because you like to shift gears. Alot, of manual guys just preach this "automatics are gay and for pussies" shit.

I hate the "yea but you dont DRIVE your car"... The fuck you mean? Am I in the passenger seat while I'm pulling busses on you? "It isn't a REAL car unless it has a manual", you're right it is a figment of my imagination.

Shit gets old.

no one ever has a real car. ever. nowhere. we all suck.

no one ever has a real car. ever. nowhere. we all suck.

wheres the "like" button? lol

His car should be putting down 400Rwhp or close.. And weighs right at 3K lbs.


more like 345ish RWHP it's a STOCK motor and the converter eats up alot of power, weighs 3550 with two people in it(300lbs) and a full tank of gas. I have sub amp etc etc. its a fun street car that gets beat on 88% of the time the clutch went and that alone is roughly $2000 when all said an done so instead of putting a clutch in it I did the smartest thing for myself.



AND just because we are on LS1Tech I will say this, don't like my car? tell me all about yours I'll sit next to anycar on here half of them are pieces of shit and run 12.50s with full bolt ons and everyone who is sub 12.50s is on another forum because honestly there are to many "I know it all I have built a million of these cars" kids on here.

AND just because we are on LS1Tech I will say this, don't like my car? tell me all about yours I'll sit next to anycar on here half of them are pieces of shit and run 12.50s with full bolt ons and everyone who is sub 12.50s is on another forum because honestly there are to many "I know it all I have built a million of these cars" kids on here.

THIS needs a damn "like" button.

Anymore seats on the auto bandwagon?? I'd like to get on.

more like 345ish RWHP it's a STOCK motor and the converter eats up alot of power, weighs 3550 with two people in it(300lbs) and a full tank of gas. I have sub amp etc etc. its a fun street car that gets beat on 88% of the time the clutch went and that alone is roughly $2000 when all said an done so instead of putting a clutch in it I did the smartest thing for myself.

AND just because we are on LS1Tech I will say this, don't like my car? tell me all about yours I'll sit next to anycar on here half of them are pieces of shit and run 12.50s with full bolt ons and everyone who is sub 12.50s is on another forum because honestly there are to many "I know it all I have built a million of these cars" kids on here.

Ah, sorry I was thinking normal bolt on Z. Still should be 360Rwhp stock or so IIRC... Add exhaust and intake that should be 390Rwhp... Auto doesn't eat 40Rwhp.

2000$ for a clutch?

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seriously ppl havent we had enough pointless arguing in this thread.

This whole thread is full of fail. I prefer autos, I always will. Especially having a GTO now, I hated how they felt with sticks.

more like 345ish RWHP it's a STOCK motor and the converter eats up alot of power, weighs 3550 with two people in it(300lbs) and a full tank of gas. I have sub amp etc etc. its a fun street car that gets beat on 88% of the time the clutch went and that alone is roughly $2000 when all said an done so instead of putting a clutch in it I did the smartest thing for myself.



AND just because we are on LS1Tech I will say this, don't like my car? tell me all about yours I'll sit next to anycar on here half of them are pieces of shit and run 12.50s with full bolt ons and everyone who is sub 12.50s is on another forum because honestly there are to many "I know it all I have built a million of these cars" kids on here.

Maybe some people don't care for E/Ts? Maybe some people enjoy their cars on the street? Maybe some people don't dig race? The main reason why i could careless for it is because of my rear. My personal opinion is i prefer my M6 over an auto just because i have a driver mod and its alot more fun. You must be at the track alot? or dig race all the time?


At the end who gives a shit? its all preference.

Maybe some people don't care for E/Ts? Maybe some people enjoy their cars on the street? Maybe some people don't dig race? The main reason why i could careless for it is because of my rear. My personal opinion is i prefer my M6 over an auto just because i have a driver mod and its alot more fun. You must be at the track alot? or dig race all the time?


At the end who gives a shit? its all preference.

Are you not comprehending this?

My car is more fun TO ME BECAUSE IT IS AN AUTO. My car wouldn't be as fun to me if it was a manual. I have owned 6 speed ls1s, I didn't enjoy anywhere near as much.
I dig race, I roll race, and I go to the track. I enjoy all of them... I probably roll race more than anything cause most people bitch because of how nasty my car is from a dig, BECAUSE IT IS A STALLED AUTO. You can't get most to go to the track.

So my car gets more roll racing than anthing and I wouldn't have a manual over it for anything. IT IS ALL PREFERENCE.

One thing that isn't... Stalled autos rape in racing.

This is so dumb.

Are you not comprehending this?

My car is more fun TO ME BECAUSE IT IS AN AUTO. My car wouldn't be as fun to me if it was a manual. I have owned 6 speed ls1s, I didn't enjoy anywhere near as much.
I dig race, I roll race, and I go to the track. I enjoy all of them... I probably roll race more than anything cause most people bitch because of how nasty my car is from a dig, BECAUSE IT IS A STALLED AUTO. You can't get most to go to the track.

So my car gets more roll racing than anthing and I wouldn't have a manual over it for anything. IT IS ALL PREFERENCE.

One thing that isn't... Stalled autos rape in racing.

This is so dumb.


Maybe some people don't care for E/Ts? Maybe some people enjoy their cars on the street? Maybe some people don't dig race? The main reason why i could careless for it is because of my rear. My personal opinion is i prefer my M6 over an auto just because i have a driver mod and its alot more fun. You must be at the track alot? or dig race all the time?


At the end who gives a shit? its all preference.

read.

Your post contradicted itself, it cracked me up to read the bolded at the end.

Your post contradicted itself, it cracked me up to read the bolded at the end.

Cool.

Edit: Um oh yeah, stating MY personal preference and then saying at the end "who gives a shit, its all preference?" Is a huge contradiction. Nice one.

I'm positive you're old enough that I shouldn't have to point things out so I'm not going to waste my time.

Ah, sorry I was thinking normal bolt on Z. Still should be 360Rwhp stock or so IIRC... Add exhaust and intake that should be 390Rwhp... Auto doesn't eat 40Rwhp.

2000$ for a clutch?

Clutch 1300$ tick master slave 550 clutch fluid and little things plus tax brings it to right around $2000 and alot of labor

His car should be putting down 400Rwhp or close.. And weighs right at 3K lbs. Hand the keys of that car on street tires to an average joe and it would be in a ditch.
How about my old car? It would fish tail at 40-50mph and still kick out from 55-60. How many people do you think could have half ass launched that car from anything under 20mph?

It is fine if you like manuals more, it is all opinion. But you were being a tard in the first post.
IMO manual blow dick.. They are fun to drive every once in a while but thats where it ends for me. I like having stupid 60's, pulling the tires, being consistent, not asking for a rematch cause I missed a gear, etc etc... I also think a large stalled auto is way more fun than a manual.
All opinion... Fact? As far as racing goes, autos bitch slap manuals.

I love how butthurt auto guys get on LS1tech...
Some people prefer REAL racing, you know racing that isn't just in a strait line.
Built, stalled, tuned auto's are competitive in a strait line from a dig. From a roll, and on a real track (one with turns) there is no comparison...
Yes Ive driven/been in 400+RWHP stalled autos, total snore fest compared to a manual. Still never shifts when you want (up or down), and still just stab the throttle and hang on, quick off the line sure, but thats it.

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I'm positive you're old enough that I shouldn't have to point things out so I'm not going to waste my time.

What the fuck are you even trying to prove? I stated MY personal preference and then stated "who gives a shit? its all personal preference anyways". Apparently that is to much for your mind to handle. So by you stating that an auto is your preference and stating



So my car gets more roll racing than anthing and I wouldn't have a manual over it for anything. IT IS ALL PREFERENCE.


You must be contradicting yourself aswell?


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I love auto guys on LS1tech...they can be beast cars and take more punishment than the t56. Some people talk about what they think is REAL racing, you know racing that isn't just in a strait line. its racing in silly circles for 500 laps of total snore fest.
Built, stalled, tuned auto's are competitive in a strait line from a dig. and this is a site where 99 percent of us do this type of racing, also known as DRAG racing. From a roll, or a dig and on a real 1/4 mile track (one with a tree) there is no comparison...autos destroy manuals.
Yes Ive driven/been in 400+RWHP stalled autos, total awesome fest compared to a manual. shifts smooth when you want (up or down), and still stab the throttle and hang on, never miss a shift, quick off the line and make the shit talking manual guy look like an ass while you put bus lengths on him. thats it.


there i fixed it for you. look at you you finally get it! congrats.

I love how butthurt auto guys get on LS1tech...
Some people prefer REAL racing, you know racing that isn't just in a strait line.
Built, stalled, tuned auto's are competitive in a strait line from a dig. From a roll, and on a real track (one with turns) there is no comparison...
Yes Ive driven/been in 400+RWHP stalled autos, total snore fest compared to a manual. Still never shifts when you want (up or down), and still just stab the throttle and hang on, quick off the line sure, but thats it.

Butt hurt? LOL

The amount of people that prefer turning is so small compared to the guys on here that like straight line, you know this.

Stock, manual trumps in rolls... Once the modding begins that gap is drastically reduced. Simply put you better be one nasty driving if you want to handle a similarly modded auto.
Ever seen a turbo auto and a turbo manual run from a roll that make similar numbers with similar setups?
Manuals don't stay in boost when you want them to. LOL

Auto is a snore fest for you, manuals are a pain in my ass for me. LOL

there i fixed it for you. look at you you finally get it! congrats.
I rest my case, another one butthurt.
Circle tracks are lame, im talking road course/autox.
And no the auto's don't shift smooth (when modded). If you have trouble missing gears then you need driving lessons.

Butt hurt? LOL

The amount of people that prefer turning is so small compared to the guys on here that like straight line, you know this.

I don't see your point.
If you want to say something like Auto>manual, you need to be specific (like for drag only). Its like saying slicks/skinnies>street tires. Yeah, for drag only and nothing else.


Stock, manual trumps in rolls... Once the modding begins that gap is drastically reduced.

Agreed, and the manual (from my experience) still has a significant edge. For example my buddies mid 11 second (stalled auto) SS couldn't pull from my (at the time) bolt on only 6 speed car from a roll. Same result with a handful of other cars all more modded than me, and the ones equally modded get a few cars put on them.


Simply put you better be one nasty driving if you want to handle a similarly modded auto.
I have to disagree here. Just shift the gears. The biggest mistake I always see with M6 guys is they start in a gear too high.


Ever seen a turbo auto and a turbo manual run from a roll that make similar numbers with similar setups?
Manuals don't stay in boost when you want them to. LOL

Depends more on the setup.


Auto is a snore fest for you, manuals are a pain in my ass for me. LOL
Im sorry I just don't get this. Its like saying that driving is just too hard, don't know when to hit the brake or the gas, I want a car to drive itself. I personally want as much control as I can get.

there i fixed it for you. look at you you finally get it! congrats.

That literally made me LOL

Butt hurt? LOL

The amount of people that prefer turning is so small compared to the guys on here that like straight line, you know this.

Stock, manual trumps in rolls... Once the modding begins that gap is drastically reduced. Simply put you better be one nasty driving if you want to handle a similarly modded auto.
Ever seen a turbo auto and a turbo manual run from a roll that make similar numbers with similar setups?
Manuals don't stay in boost when you want them to. LOL

Auto is a snore fest for you, manuals are a pain in my ass for me. LOL

This is why the huge turbo Supra's are staying auto more and more. People were swapping autos for manuals like crazy up until recently. Then they saw how these Lexus(Aristo) 2jz's were running so strongly and everybody was like HEY there's something to this not loosing boost stuff. Now the low stall huge turbo cars are complete dogs on the drag strip. They are easier to brake boost, never miss a shift and hold boost through the whole run.

The only form of racing I see manuals having the upper hand is circuit and rally racing (and drifting because they need the clutch kick to initiate drifts). However, the whole missing a gear and consistency thing has been eliminated now days with the use of manually selected sequential transmissions. While technically still a manual the clutch is automated.

For tiny little corner carvers that are road cars to me they are most fun manual. This of course is if you LIKE changing gears.

There is NO arguing the fact that driver error and the fact that the way clutch is just an on and off action, make them less than desirable for drag racing. The reduction in shock with the way a torque converter works makes them find traction easier.

You have experts like Mad Man cutting CRAZY 60 foot times on DR's. Where in my opinion manual cars if they are trying for a really good ET should skip straight to a slick.

If you have trouble missing gears then you need driving lessons.

Yeahhh, you've never stalled or missed a gear. Come on man it happens to ALL of us.

Yeahhh, you've never stalled or missed a gear. Come on man it happens to ALL of us.

No, NEVER. LOL

I have had so many manual guys bitch, "I couldn't get it in, i missed a gear, I shifted a tad early"... Blah blah blah.. Not my problem, my car shifted perfect... Just like it does EVERY time. :)

I LOOOVE autox and will do it one day when I have the funds to afford a c5Z as a toy, with a manual to boot of course.

ANYTHING else, auto wins by a long shot with me for many reasons.. Roll racing, dig racing, track, street, normal driving, spirited weekend driving, etc etc etc...

No, NEVER. LOL


Lemons if your missing gears with your car there is something wrong! haha

I thought the video was pretty damn funny, then as I read through the post I was reminded of a similar argument, : http://www.wavlist.com/humor/001/who1st.wav

wow i think that the people in this forum should
1.) inform themselves before typing all their little brain can process
2.) havent you heard the saying "if you got nothing nice to say dont say anything at all"
lmao at the comments, OP i wouldnt have even wasted my time explaining to them why you said anything at all. good race and thats one quick porche.

"Did I hear "night night nigga night night"?....SMFH."

"I don't know what was worse, the race or the people in the vette talking...."

"you guys sound like bunch of faggots in the video. No one in the history of building cars unless its a serious drag or street car has ever taken the t-56 out of their vette and swapped with an a4..... and if you did swap it it would have been a th400 or something along those lines. no one is impressed."

I rest my case, another auto who would kick my ass.
Circle tracks are lame, im talking road course/autox. which i need to be reminded that this is 99% drag racing forum, and if im that big into autox i should take my dumb ass over to an ls based autox forum instead of crying about how nobody one here is a real racer.
And yes the auto's shift smooth ( even when modded). i prob havent been enough to make a case against them and im all butthurt because i miss gears every now and then but WAIT im an internet badass so ill act like i never do. ill never admit that i have trouble missing gears and i need you auto guys to give me driving lessons.


I don't see your point. probably because im narrow-minded and stubborn.
If you want to say something like Auto>manual, you need to be specific (like for drag only). (cuz you know, ls1tech is primarily known for its autox fanbase) Its like saying slicks/skinnies>street tires. Yeah, for drag only and nothing else. again, but that would be if this was a site that talks about that barely practiced sport called DRAG racing. also i prob had no skill at all with my manual in a normal drag race so i just decided to get into the autox scene.


Agreed, and the manual (from my limited experience) still has no significant edge. For example my buddies mid 11 second (stalled auto) SS couldn't pull from my (at the time) bolt on only 6 speed car from a roll. but hey thats from a roll which is more like speeding together and not REAL racing anyway. i raced him form a dig and he ashamed me so bad that i wont mention it. Same result with a handful of other cars all more modded than me, if it was an auto and stalled i usually lost.

I have to disagree here. but im just stubborn so ignore me. Just shift the gears. thats what they tell me but i still fuck it up every now and then. The biggest mistake I always make with my M6 is i will start in a gear too high. but hey like you guys said we all do it i just never admit it.


Depends more on the setup. mine sucks FTW


Im sorry I just don't get this. my GED doesnt really let me understand. like what im saying is that driving is just too hard, i don't know when to hit the brake or the gas, I want a car that will never miss a shift, that will be reliable and take alot of punishment, and and can drive itself. I personally want as much gay men as I can get.


i could do this all day bud. just quit complaining

I love how people start arguments like this when they have no true winner. It is all relevant to each person. Just like there is no best cam for DDing, no best soda, no best restaurant etc.

I love how people start arguments like this when they have no true winner. It is all relevant to each person. Just like there is no best cam for DDing, no best soda, no best restaurant etc.

Trex.. Pepsi... McDonalds. POW!!!

I love how people start arguments like this when they have no true winner. It is all relevant to each person. Just like there is no best cam for DDing, no best soda, no best restaurant etc.

Bullshit man RC Cola is best that's a fact!

Bullshit man RC Cola is best that's a fact!

You idiot.. Everyone knows even Mr pibb is better than that crap. Id take a sprite over that.

oh HELLLLLL NA.


idk im just here to argue

You idiot.. Everyone knows even Mr pibb is better than that crap. Id take a sprite over that.

Nuh-UH!! 7-UP Yours! :jest:

These threads are amazing, people argue continuously about the most ignorant things.
This is what I see when I read these threads:
"This spoon is useless! It won't cut a god damn thing! And this knife won't pick up shit!" :bang:

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^ This x2

usnfenix, I love your sig.
That show is trash lol.

Also, this thread is win.

I demand more of the nasty fucking porsche, now.

Lol but lemons you see my point, because its the best to you doesn't make that a universal truth. Same for you OP.

You know I know this... It is the only reason I argue it. LOL I get a kick out of it.

The manual guys always say yea yea that all may be true... But manuals are more fun, like that is the only fact.
It gets old quick however.

Hey Lemons, if the C5z didn't come with a t56, what 6 speed did it come with? Think hard before you answer.....:suspiciou

Hey Lemons, if the C5z didn't come with a t56, what 6 speed did it come with? Think hard before you answer.....:suspiciou

MN-12.... I didn't hurt myself too bad on that one. LOL

Some bad ass cars in that video :nod:

MN-12.... I didn't hurt myself too bad on that one. LOL

You do realize the MN-12 is a T56 correct?

You do realize the MN-12 is a T56 correct?

Would you correct someone if you heard someone say their Zo6 had a t56? I would...

An SS is a Camaro... But if someone asks what you have you would say an SS.

They have several differences between them, not just gear ratios.

So when is someone going to make a thread showing me why I should build a ManualLS car??

An MN12 is a T56. So is the MN6 that the Camaros come with ;) No two ways about it.

So when is someone going to make a thread showing me why I should build a ManualLS car??

There are already here, just titled differently. Search for titles like: broken 10 bolt, missed a shift and got beat by a minivan, why am I stuck in the 14s, and 450rwhp and 115mph traps.

So when is someone going to make a thread showing me why I should build a ManualLS car??

Here we go. Apparently this is a snore fest. lol



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VODpzrTZafg&t=1m11s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0cqAokKgUk&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZGsMU3vOUk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Duai8KFfKo&feature=plcp


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w2Kw31lpNU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7BPMUqeDZU

There are already here, just titled differently. Search for titles like: broken 10 bolt, missed a shift and got beat by a minivan, why am I stuck in the 14s, and 450rwhp and 115mph traps.

I giggled :)

Would you correct someone if you heard someone say their Zo6 had a t56? I would...

An SS is a Camaro... But if someone asks what you have you would say an SS.

They have several differences between them, not just gear ratios.

When people ask me what tranny I have. I tell them it's a T56 with close ratio gears. Exactly what it is. I was just curious if you knew that MN-12 was just a T56 version like the MM-6 out of the Camaro, MN-6 in the non Z06 Vette.

There are already here, just titled differently. Search for titles like: broken 10 bolt, missed a shift and got beat by a minivan, why am I stuck in the 14s, and 450rwhp and 115mph traps.

lolwut 450whp for 115 mph traps? Sounds like an auto.

lolwut 450whp for 115 mph traps? Sounds like an auto.

No, that's definitely a manual trans trait - big dynos and poor track numbers.

No, that's definitely a manual trans trait - big dynos and poor track numbers.

My manual was the oposite. only 423/382, but trapped 118.54 in like 1600 DA. All the autos I have raced with similar or slightly less power (Gaunt's old Z for example, 400/400), were trapping a lot less. I think his trapped 113, we just ran the same ET. Or some other guys I know in the 114-117 range with more power then I was making.

you guys sound like bunch of faggots in the video. No one in the history of building cars unless its a serious drag or street car has ever taken the t-56 out of their vette and swapped with an a4..... and if you did swap it it would have been a th400 or something along those lines. no one is impressed.

Stop..do some looking around before you post....before you sound even more like a idiot.

An MN12 is a T56. So is the MN6 that the Camaros come with ;) No two ways about it.
True.. I guess I make sure to call the Z trans an MN12 because it is "upgraded", a better trans.
There are already here, just titled differently. Search for titles like: broken 10 bolt, missed a shift and got beat by a minivan, why am I stuck in the 14s, and 450rwhp and 115mph traps.
I LOL'd
Here we go. Apparently this is a snore fest. lol
No you moron... Apparently the auto was a snooze fest, the manual was a pain in the ass. Keep up with the slander comments if you are going to compete in the games.
Those are fine and dandy but how about these?
Stock bottom end car there on motor ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bFWPrSEJnI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L29i9PC4eM

I can show you track videos of autos absolutely shitting on manuals all day, but do I really need to?
And yes, that black car is easy to control I'm sure.
When people ask me what tranny I have. I tell them it's a T56 with close ratio gears. Exactly what it is. I was just curious if you knew that MN-12 was just a T56 version like the MM-6 out of the Camaro, MN-6 in the non Z06 Vette.
I did know that, see above for my reason why I said it. It was wrong for me to do it, just how I view it is different I suppose.
My manual was the oposite. only 423/382, but trapped 118.54 in like 1600 DA. All the autos I have raced with similar or slightly less power (Gaunt's old Z for example, 400/400), were trapping a lot less. I think his trapped 113, we just ran the same ET. Or some other guys I know in the 114-117 range with more power then I was making.
My 3500+# car with 37XRwhp was running 117mph hitting the rev limiter on the 2-3 shift FWIW.

Please Lemons I could drive those auto POS's to 8 second traps while eatting a cheeseburger :D

Please Lemons I could drive those auto POS's to 8 second traps while eatting a cheeseburger :D

so your saying eating a cheeseburger in 8sec isnt fun? lol

Hell no, thats one thing NO M6 guy can say ;)

My manual was the oposite. only 423/382, but trapped 118.54 in like 1600 DA. All the autos I have raced with similar or slightly less power (Gaunt's old Z for example, 400/400), were trapping a lot less. I think his trapped 113, we just ran the same ET. Or some other guys I know in the 114-117 range with more power then I was making.

Really?

I make 420rwhp and trap 124mph at 3700lbs... through an auto.

My 3500+# car with 37XRwhp was running 117mph hitting the rev limiter on the 2-3 shift FWIW.

Yep. I did 118mph at 380rwhp and 3700lbs.

i could do this all day bud. just quit complaining

Really? We can't have a normal discussion without you resorting to changing quotes around like a child?
That strait line stuff looks pretty hard, Ill just leave theses here for you guys...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r82qX2VjqZc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxwRgSZiKTk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weWQHijkSU8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdGrYXUs7C0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDxe1lHIxuE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vIlk1bdqu0&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.streetfire.net/video/hockenheimring-video-highlights-aug-2004_702088.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=finiSeRup2k

No, that's definitely a manual trans trait - big dynos and poor track numbers.

Nope. For an 05 member you are very lost. How is it that bolt on m6 cars are have trapped 112+ then? Just because some shit setup made 450 and trapped 115 at some shit track with shit DA doesn't mean every car does this? Your logic is flawed. Everyone knows a manual will always trap higher than an auto, its common sense... Also that camaro i shared made a tad over 500whp and traped 131 with slicks... Just to add to your retarded claims



No you moron... Apparently the auto was a snooze fest, the manual was a pain in the ass. Keep up with the slander comments if you are going to compete in the games.
Those are fine and dandy but how about these?
Stock bottom end car there on motor ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bFWPrSEJnI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L29i9PC4eM

I can show you track videos of autos absolutely shitting on manuals all day, but do I really need to?
And yes, that black car is easy to control I'm sure.

I did know that, see above for my reason why I said it. It was wrong for me to do it, just how I view it is different I suppose.

My 3500+# car with 37XRwhp was running 117mph hitting the rev limiter on the 2-3 shift FWIW.

"Never argue with an idiot- they will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience."

My comments weren't even toward you, it was meant for the guy who did that cheeky edit on someone else's quote. Please go.

I never talked autox down, I LOVE it. I got to ride in several cars several time at last years Ls1Fest and had an absolute BLAST!! It got me hooked and I will have a car I autox one day. Not as serious as my straight line drag racing just a stock C5Z to get out and have some fun in at stuff like LsFest and what not.


adamidiot- Can I not respond to your posts? We're all shooting the shit.
Yes, I'm the idiot.. Come outside of this world and come hang out in the internal engine/trans/rear end/etc.... Yep, I'm an idiot.

I never talked autox down, I LOVE it. I got to ride in several cars several time at last years Ls1Fest and had an absolute BLAST!! It got me hooked and I will have a car I autox one day. Not as serious as my straight line drag racing just a stock C5Z to get out and have some fun in at stuff like LsFest and what not.


adamidiot- Can I not respond to your posts? We're all shooting the shit.
Yes, I'm the idiot.. Come outside of this world and come hang out in the internal engine/trans/rear end/etc.... Yep, I'm an idiot.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/200/420/BRTky.jpg?1321408042

You nailed it. ;)

Time to back off now.

I still think its hilarious how M6 guys get so defensive. The only race I had in my old LT1 (228/236, slightly worked heads, bolt ons, TDs, 3600 stall, 2.73s) I raced my friends 230/236 cam only LS1 M6. When I finally let him pull around me after I let off at 120 I got the "oh i spun and then missed 3rd" excuse.

What if we just say both suck, I have as many stories about A4s as I do M6s whether it be breaking something or not doing jack shit at the track or on the street

This thread is to entertaining to quit now.

Nope. For an 05 member you are very lost. How is it that bolt on m6 cars are have trapped 112+ then? Just because some shit setup made 450 and trapped 115 at some shit track with shit DA doesn't mean every car does this? Your logic is flawed. Everyone knows a manual will always trap higher than an auto, its common sense... Also that camaro i shared made a tad over 500whp and traped 131 with slicks... Just to add to your retarded claims

I'm lost? I've worked on more LS engines than you have posts. 2 of them are in my sig. One runs 10s. The other will soon be quicker. You have a lid and catback?

The M6 cars are usually quicker stock or near stock because traction isn't an issue. Add power and they stop working so well. Stop in the Track section of this site. Countless posts of M6 guys dumping tons of time and money into their setups in the pursuit of traction. Many give up and drop an auto in for good reason.

I've seen numerous cam only and H/C M6 cars with impressive dyno sheets disappoint at the track. What track? MIR, Cecil, Capital... 2 of which are the fastest tracks in the world. They run like shit because they can't put the power down when the auto cars hook and go, the streets are even worse. Most M6 guys are as bad the turbo FWD retards who want 60 rolls - GTFO.

I'm lost? I've worked on more LS engines than you have posts. 2 of them are in my sig. One runs 10s. The other will soon be quicker. You have a lid and catback?

The M6 cars are usually quicker stock or near stock because traction isn't an issue. Add power and they stop working so well. Stop in the Track section of this site. Countless posts of M6 guys dumping tons of time and money into their setups in the pursuit of traction. Many give up and drop an auto in for good reason.

I've seen numerous cam only and H/C M6 cars with impressive dyno sheets disappoint at the track. What track? MIR, Cecil, Capital... 2 of which are the fastest tracks in the world. They run like shit because they can't put the power down when the auto cars hook and go, the streets are even worse. Most M6 guys are as bad the turbo FWD retards who want 60 rolls - GTFO.

Not one single question was answered that day.

So why does this car i shared trap 15mph more than the 450rwhp m6 you claim? With 50more hp? So your going to sit here and say EVERY M6 that makes 450 traps 115, right? Down here some guy with H/C traps 120-121 with 420whp and stock 3.42s... Another one Andyislost (member on here) hasn't even dyno'd his cam only setup, he traps 121 (M6). Another one, studderin cam only setup dynos mid 4's traps 130mph (m6). HIO bolt on ls6 swap makes 426 traps 131mph (m6). There was actually a cam only setup on here that was a stalled auto and ran neck and neck with a stock 5.0 and ran like an 8.4 in the 1/8th. Does that mean all stalled camd cars are turds? NO.

You're talking to the wrong person about dyno sheets, i could give three shits about dyno #'s. They don't mean squat. Track results matter to me. Yesterday i actually posted on a thread where a guy dyno'd 460 (or something really healthy) with his h/c ls2 gto, went to the track and trapped 111.


At the end of the day, its all preference (like i said several pages back).

My personal preference i waited a long time just to find my car M6, i didn't want an auto its boring IMO. Posting my opinion vs your opinion is dumb. This is the last time im posting in this thread.

Edit: oh and for the record, if your having traction issues and your car not being able to 60ft that has no effect on your MPH (unless its really really bad traction issue) it will effect your E/T. Which is why in most cases a M6 will out trap an auto. An auto will out E/T an M6 car.

Looks like a cool thread...wait.....wait...

NOOOOOOOOO!!!! Another pointless Auto Vs Manual thread!!

http://www.macromemeless.com/cat/freak-out-gif.gif

Yeah I think studderin is running 10.30's or 60's on his setup. The kid can drive his ass off and knows his shit, and has that car down to a science. All with just a cam and massaged heads (I think), and a ton of weight removal and other tricks. But the point is, he does it. And more people could too if they wanted to put forth the same effort he has. It's just that autos are easier than suspension tuning, so they don't.

He's probably training for MMA too...lol

omg we went from auto vs man to mr pibb vs sprite back to auto vs man. isnt this thread done yet? mod please lock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyhrYis509A

Really? We can't have a normal discussion without you resorting to changing quotes around like a child?
That strait line stuff looks pretty hard, Ill just leave theses here for you guys...



or maybe...........

i saw that this was going to be pointless the moment it turned into the over beaten auto vs manual threads that have been on ls1tech since this site was first put up, and decided to fuck off in the thread because no one is going to budge on their opinion and we are all going to sit here posting videos from youtube as if that proves a point? as if searching for your side of the argument and posting a video of it in a "take that" manner wakes us all up to your ideals and we bow down to your omnipotence.

Looks like a cool thread...wait.....wait...

NOOOOOOOOO!!!! Another pointless Auto Vs Manual thread!!

http://www.macromemeless.com/cat/freak-out-gif.gif

Exactly! Lets argue about it!

Looks like a cool thread...wait.....wait...

NOOOOOOOOO!!!! Another pointless Auto Vs Manual thread!!

http://www.macromemeless.com/cat/freak-out-gif.gif

That's fucking funny. LMAO