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Old 06-07-2012, 03:23 AM
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Default No HP gain after costly mods. bad tune or exh?

before latest mods: prc stage I heads, MS3 cam, 42lb injectors, ls6 intake, long tube headers, 3" y-pipe, stock intermidiate pipe, magnaflo muf, stock tail pipes.
Dyno=405rwhp/363torque

today added: Fast 102 with Fast fuel rails, 102 tb, no MAF and running speed density.
todays dyno=406rwhp/360torque
Are these heartbreaking results due to a bad tune, restricted stock intermidiate pipe and tail pipes or could it be something else? This latest mod was very expensive for me to get no results. Can anyone help me figure this out?
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Want to rule out exhaust? Put a cutout on the ypipe before is goes back to stock diameter.

FWIW, there have been a handful of people see zero gains with the 102 setups. It is VERY few and VERY far in between but not unheard of.

I would have expected nice gains with your setup however since you already had heads and an ms3 cam.

Same dyno, same tuner?
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yes, Same dyno, same tuner
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tuner says its the exhaust. I agree with him but I would think there would be atleast some gain.
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i hope you get this figured out...

...im sure you spent a ton.
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Looks to be a tad over 1,300$ maybe?

You can get a 3" manual cutout from summit/jegs and have someone weld it in for next to nothing... Jump back on the dyno for one pull and see what that does. That is cheap, should pick up power, and is easy.
It will rule out one downside to your setup.
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Yes I will definatly order a cut out tomarrow. Great idea thanks
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any track numbers? changes?
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You posted peak numbers... Did everything else through the curve stay the same?
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no track numbers and I just looked at the peak numbers but the curves looked pretty much the same. Sorry
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Man your down at least 50rwhp. What size is the intermediate pipe?
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I believe the intermidiate pipe is 2.75".
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opening it up with a cutout willl probably help, but i think your tune has more to do with it. why speed density? put a 4" maf on it and be done. is it a stock cube LS1?
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Its a forged Texas Speed bottom end also. Just to update, I havent been back to the dyno yet but I will post the dyno numbers as soon as I get them. I had developed an oil leak with the last dyno run and have it apart waiting on knock sensor grommets. The catch can was connected backwards also.
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Default Dyno results with cutout

Sorry it took so long to get back with you all. I was only able to do two pulls today and heres what I got:

418rwhp/367torque

It still seems like I should be doing better than this. I still dont think the Fast-102 with T/B has done anything for me except take my money. I cant figure this out. The outside temp was 99F though. I have the dyno sheet if it helps to figure this out
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Originally Posted by bent1
Can anyone help me figure this out?
Your latest mods would not produce a large gain unless you had a significant induction-path restriction. Unfortunately, your experience suggests that you did not. The LS6 intake works quite well on a 346.
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I saw the factory size MAF and throttle body a restriction compared to a 102mm indution system
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auto car?

what were the dates of each dyno?
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Its a 6M. First dyno=May 2010, second=June 7 2012 and the 3rd was today
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Trade the 102 for a 92. Im
Sure somome with big cubes wouldnt mind.


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