Automotive News, Media & Press - Automobile Mag: '13 GT500 kills the '12 ZL1 on the strip, Part 2 of 3

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1206_2012_chevy_camaro_zl1_vs_2013_ford_shelby_gt5 00/viewall.html

The ZL1 did its best pass in 12.38 seconds at 114.5 mph, while the GT500 turned the quarter-mile in 11.78 seconds at 125 mph. So there you have it, Ford beats Chevy. But like we said, drag racing is about more than time slips.

Chevrolet made a modern-in-every-way pony car, and Ford built something with the character of an old-school muscle car, overlaid with track-focused technology. The two have very distinct, individual ways of making it down the strip, but the common thread between the two is gratification. Every single pass in the GT500 and ZL1 was a ball, and was so involving that we couldn't care less about our time slips. Sure, we were happy to be turning times less than a second off those that require a full roll cage, but we cared more about soaking up every second we could with these two.

Everyone at Milan Dragway felt the attraction as well. Ford guys loved the look of the ZL1, the GT500's sub-12 second runs blew Chevy guys away, and everyone agreed that both cars are sensational. And since both cars have a base price of $54,995, there was much debate over which car was more of a steal. What surprised us was the ease with which Chevy and Ford guys admitted that. Warring factions of people finally fessing up to the fact that the other side can do something right -- that's pretty cool.


I completely disagree with this quote from the article.

Ford beats Chevy. But like we said, drag racing is about more than time slips.

Getting your time slip after a pass is all what matters.

Now I've heard it all

ze1 mph isnt too impressive for the hp , the 125 on the other hand is nice .

12.3 isnt great.

im sure we'll be constantly reminded of it i have a feeling.

12.3 isnt great.

im sure we'll be constantly reminded of it i have a feeling.

If I were a ZL! fan I would be far more concerned with the trap speed that is 11mph slower.

On a set of tires it is going to be ugly at the strip, and embarassing from a roll.

It is starting to look (to me anyway) like the GT500 is consistently .5 seconds faster in the 1/4 mile. We knew this result was coming though.

[QUOTEGetting your time slip after a pass is all what matters.[/QUOTE]
You are correct but you posted that part without posting his reasoning behind it. They are testing street cars on the strip and how well the drive and yes I know most of us don't care as long as we like our et and mph but it's a complete test not just drag car testing. In the end it just shows that the GT500 is a beast when trying to put down that power with such a small tire and the ZL1 is more composed even in a straight line.

11mph difference is MONSTER

That didn't tell anybody anything they didn't already know. GT500 is way faster in a straight line and the ZL1 handles better.

[QUOTEGetting your time slip after a pass is all what matters.
You are correct but you posted that part without posting his reasoning behind it. They are testing street cars on the strip and how well the drive and yes I know most of us don't care as long as we like our et and mph but it's a complete test not just drag car testing. In the end it just shows that the GT500 is a beast when trying to put down that power with such a small tire and the ZL1 is more composed even in a straight line.[/QUOTE]

when i was running the camaro, i always had a pretty good idea of my time i ran. i knew i was in the 9's when i'd get the shift light flickering in the traps, as she hit 6400rpm at that point. other than that, i knew i was in the low 10's, unless i seriously messed up. i always liked getting my timeslips, because i wanted to see just WHAT i did, and my reaction time. in the pic below, i thought i redlighted, but in fact it was a perfect light....as evidenced by the picture.

also, i judst started reading it......how is it that they so love the shifter here to drag race, yet they pretty much said it sucked in the road race? could it be an excuse for a shitty driver?
i also noted that they didn't give the camaro's rear ratio

Well so far it's 1-1 for this comparison I wonder what's going to happen when they test them on the street and the ZL1 comes out the better car and wins overall how many people are gonna cry "that it's bs because the GT500 is faster" like they did on the other comparasion except this time they have actual timed data so peolpe can cry it wasn't a "real" test.

the writers of the article had the winner picked before they ever drove either of the vehicles.

they were seriously trying to give the dragstrip win to the ZL1 even after they had times/mphs.

11mph difference is MONSTER

If I were a ZL! fan I would be far more concerned with the trap speed that is 11mph slower.

On a set of tires it is going to be ugly at the strip, and embarassing from a roll.

I agree with both posts. I'm glad the ZL1 is easy to drive and handles great; but the fact is the ET and mph of the ZL1 is underwhelming at best. The ZL1 doesn't ET any better than 09-12 CTS-V even though the V is heavier, which doesn't make sense considering it's the same motor.

the writers of the article had the winner picked before they ever drove either of the vehicles.

they were seriously trying to give the dragstrip win to the ZL1 even after they had times/mphs.

Yes. If them flat out saying they wanted the ZL1 to win doesn't say they are bias I don't know what does.

If I were a ZL! fan I would be far more concerned with the trap speed that is 11mph slower.

On a set of tires it is going to be ugly at the strip, and embarassing from a roll.

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4007/gt500vszl1.jpg

the writers of the article had the winner picked before they ever drove either of the vehicles.

they were seriously trying to give the dragstrip win to the ZL1 even after they had times/mphs.

It seems that until a source comes out with the stang on top peolpe like yourself are going to find every little reason you can to call it biased. There's really no need for them to be since we all know the out comes GT500 straight line king and the ZL1 track king after that it comes down to its street manors and the ZL1 will win so that's why it's gonna win " best all around car".

It seems that until a source comes out with the stang on top peolpe like yourself are going to find every little reason you can to call it biased. There's really no need for them to be since we all know the out comes GT500 straight line king and the ZL1 track king after that it comes down to its street manors and the ZL1 will win so that's why it's gonna win " best all around car".

lol

I don't care if the ZL1 wins some mag review. Personally I could care less about road/track racing, and if I did I certainly wouldn't be shopping 2 3800+ lb vehicles that are supercharged to build a track car.

You know it is biased when they flat out tell you they want the ZL1 to win. And then after it gets demolished on the dragstrip, they tell you that for about 60 years now we have all been doing it wrong because the time slips don't matter.

It seems that until a source comes out with the stang on top peolpe like yourself are going to find every little reason you can to call it biased. There's really no need for them to be since we all know the out comes GT500 straight line king and the ZL1 track king after that it comes down to its street manors and the ZL1 will win so that's why it's gonna win " best all around car".

How is it finding "every little reason you can to call it biased" when the author of the article blatantly shows his bias in black and white? Or did you not even read the article?

I think most of us had it called weeks ago...the ZL1 handles better and the GT500 is faster. Pick your weapon and put a smile on your face.

Outside of this revelation, these comparo's aren't going to accomplish anything that they haven't during the past couple of years. Those who prefer the new Camaro are going to choose the Camaro, magazine tests be damned. Same goes for the Shelby. I still have little interest in these "halo" ponies...the Boss 302's and 1LE's are more my cup of tea. Ford still isn't giving the Shelby the kind of boxing shoes that a 600+hp 200mph car should be wearing, and regardless of how impressive the technology behind it is....the ZL1 weighing in at nearly 4200 lbs is just not acceptable (to me).

I honestly don't know where the 1LE is going to fit in.

With how bad the ZL1 is showing at the drags the 1LE might perform nearly as well, for what you would think would be about $10k less.

One thing I can't understand is how in this day and age, with safety standards always growing, can a car with around 100hp more weigh less a year later when safety standards are presumably even stricter (are they stricter year to year or...?).

lol

I don't care if the ZL1 wins some mag review. Personally I could care less about road/track racing, and if I did I certainly wouldn't be shopping 2 3800+ lb vehicles that are supercharged to build a track car.

You know it is biased when they flat out tell you they want the ZL1 to win. And then after it gets demolished on the dragstrip, they tell you that for about 60 years now we have all been doing it wrong because the time slips don't matter.

For someone that doesn't care if it wins or not you spend alot of time trying to discredit the results. Please show where they say the past years have all been wrong. It seems like you only comprehended the parts you wanted to and left out the rest sounds like a typical fan............

Well first the GT500 doesn't weight less. It gained about 20-30lbs.

2nd the safety standards are not changing year to year.

For someone that doesn't care if it wins or not you spend alot of time trying to discredit the results. Please show where they say the past years have all been wrong. It seems like you only comprehended the parts you wanted to and left out the rest sounds like a typical fan............

I am not discrediting anything, the journalist is the one trying to marginalize 1/4 mile racing. I am calling a clearly biased article, biased.

How is it finding "every little reason you can to call it biased" when the author of the article blatantly shows his bias in black and white? Or did you not even read the article?

I read the same thing you but what I got is that he was hoping the under dog would come out on top tell me you've never done that? What others heard was "no matter what I want ford to lose and Chevy to win" guess it comes down to how you interpret it.

It's sad, if GM would just knock off 200lbs off the ZL1 (5th gen in general) the car would perform SOOO much better. I mean think of it this way the car is 200lbs heavier and almost has 100rwhp less then the GT500 yet MOST times show it only .5 sec slower then the GT500 so knock off 200lbs keep the same HP would be very curious to see the difference in performance on both drag and road course.


But in the end the 5th gen is simply to big and to heavy to compete with the Mustang but as said many times before GM doesn't car seeing how well the car is selling so we are stuck with it till the 6th gen rolls around where hopefully they don't make the same mistake.


I honestly don't know where the 1LE is going to fit in.

With how bad the ZL1 is showing at the drags the 1LE might perform nearly as well, for what you would think would be about $10k less.


The 1LE is just an SS with some suspension goodies, it will hardly be any better then a SS some people seem to think its a new model like the Boss 302 which its not its just an option to add on some suspension and an unpainted hood for the SS.

I read the same thing you but what I got is that he was hoping the under dog would come out on top tell me you've never done that? What others heard was "no matter what I want ford to lose and Chevy to win" guess it comes down to how you interpret it.

if he was "hoping" for it to come out on top, then he still wanted it to, and therefore was biased.

what's needed, is some german test driver that hates both ford and chevy to drive these things.

It's sad, if GM would just knock off 200lbs off the ZL1 (5th gen in general) the car would perform SOOO much better. I mean think of it this way the car is 200lbs heavier and almost has 100rwhp less then the GT500 yet MOST times show it only .5 sec slower then the GT500 so knock off 200lbs keep the same HP would be very curious to see the difference in performance on both drag and road course.


But in the end the 5th gen is simply to big and to heavy to compete with the Mustang but as said many times before GM doesn't car seeing how well the car is selling so we are stuck with it till the 6th gen rolls around where hopefully they don't make the same mistake.





The 1LE is just an SS with some suspension goodies, it will hardly be any better then a SS some people seem to think its a new model like the Boss 302 which its not its just an option to add on some suspension and an unpainted hood for the SS.


they could go back to a live axle. getting rid of that irs would trim nearly that 200# i think.

if he was "hoping" for it to come out on top, then he still wanted it to, and therefore was biased.

what's needed, is some german test driver that hates both ford and chevy to drive these things.

"Alex Lloyd is a race car driver hailing from Manchester, England. He moved to America in 2006, winning the Indy Lights championship the following year. Alex has raced in two Daytona 24-hour races, earning a best finish of fifth overall, and has competed in four Indianapolis 500s. In 2010, he placed fourth in that race and won the IndyCar Series Rookie of the Year Championship."

His British, I'm sure he looks down at the american cars equally as much as any other german would.

Someone will do weight reduction on the ZL1 and it will stand a chance at the strip.

Better luck next platform.

if he was "hoping" for it to come out on top, then he still wanted it to, and therefore was biased.

what's needed, is some german test driver that hates both ford and chevy to drive these things.
I don't think you would want "that guy" either since we know how much Europeans love a more refined handling machine over brute straight line speed and that would play into the ZL1's favor and some people would cry over him being biased because all he cares about is handling and not the 1320.

The 1LE is just an SS with some suspension goodies, it will hardly be any better then a SS some people seem to think its a new model like the Boss 302 which its not its just an option to add on some suspension and an unpainted hood for the SS.

You really think that a car with the same suspension as the ZL1 with less weight and better balanced will " hardly be better then a SS"? Something tells me your gonna be provin wrong.:cheers:

I read the same thing you but what I got is that he was hoping the under dog would come out on top tell me you've never done that? What others heard was "no matter what I want ford to lose and Chevy to win" guess it comes down to how you interpret it.

The author didn't even leave room for interpretation. There is no other way to take it.

So when you say this:

It seems like you only comprehended the parts you wanted to and left out the rest sounds like a typical fan............

...it makes me realize that you are so busy shouting at the wind that you don't even see that you are the one only reading the articles that agree with your viewpoint and ignoring everything else. The article used an appeal to emotion, and you bought it hook, line, and sinker. That is the very definition of a fanboy.

If you need further proof, you need only look at your signature line:

Official Comparison=ZL1 Camaro-1 Mustang GT500-0

It doesn't get any more fanboy than that, especially since this article's "results" are questionable at best due to bias.

You really think that a car with the same suspension as the ZL1 with less weight and better balanced will " hardly be better then a SS"? Something tells me your gonna be provin wrong.:cheers:

It doesn't have the magnetic ride control from the ZL1 which is a huge factor.

The author didn't even leave room for interpretation. There is no other way to take it.

So when you say this:



...it makes me realize that you are so busy shouting at the wind that you don't even see that you are the one only reading the articles that agree with your viewpoint and ignoring everything else. The article used an appeal to emotion, and you bought it hook, line, and sinker. That is the very definition of a fanboy.

If you need further proof, you need only look at your signature line:



It doesn't get any more fanboy than that, especially since this article's "results" are questionable at best due to bias.

Nice try but you can't find one post of me trying to trash talk the GT500 to make the ZL1 the better car hell I don't have to so far two different sources have but people like you try to find a reason to take that away and that's fine because everytime they test it will be the same.

GT500=straight line king
ZL1=track king

It just so happens they are testing these cars as a whole package not just drag/track cars and that's why the ZL1 is winning so if you and others keep falling back on your straight line performance numbers because you can't understand what's going on or just choose not to that makes you more of a fanboy then anyone.

Now for the sig thats been up since the last comparasion that you guys cried about because there was no true numbers so try again fanboy....:)

It doesn't have the magnetic ride control from the ZL1 which is a huge factor.

Ahh...you are correct my bad I thought it did get it I guess they gave it almost everything from the ZL1 suspension except the best part kinda like a cake with no icing:(

The author didn't even leave room for interpretation. There is no other way to take it.

So when you say this:



...it makes me realize that you are so busy shouting at the wind that you don't even see that you are the one only reading the articles that agree with your viewpoint and ignoring everything else. The article used an appeal to emotion, and you bought it hook, line, and sinker. That is the very definition of a fanboy.

If you need further proof, you need only look at your signature line:



It doesn't get any more fanboy than that, especially since this article's "results" are questionable at best due to bias.

Yup :nod:. The writer utilized a little "ethos" in that article for sure! I am growing to like both cars, but no doubt the Zl1 has it's work cut out for it in the 1320.

Nice try but you can't find one post of me trying to trash talk the GT500 to make the ZL1 the better car hell I don't have to so far two different sources have but people like you try to find a reason to take that away and that's fine because everytime they test it will be the same.

GT500=straight line king
ZL1=track king

It just so happens they are testing these cars as a whole package not just drag/track cars and that's why the ZL1 is winning so if you and others keep falling back on your straight line performance numbers because you can't understand what's going on or just choose not to that makes you more of a fanboy then anyone.

Now for the sig thats been up since the last comparasion that you guys cried about because there was no true numbers so try again fanboy....:)


Ah yes...testing these cars as a "whole package". What that means to me is that at least a portion of this testing is subjective, so calling these results definitive in any way is a bridge too far.

And in case you didn't notice, I don't own a vehicle from either of the manufacturers in question here, so consider me an outsider looking in. As an outsider, I can clearly tell when one company has been outdone by the other. You, on the other hand, continue to wave this piece of garbage they are passing off as automotive literature like it was the second coming of Christ. I've said it before in other threads, and I'll say it again: this whole "but I'll own you in the twisties" argument was one that I've heard from ricer owners after they've had their doors blown off in street races. If you want to relegate yourself to that crowd, be my guest.

Maybe you are right...maybe I don't understand how ZL1 owners will actually use their cars. If it's anything like I've seen around here, it'll be more likely to see diapers rubbed all over the paint than the orange streak of parking lot cones or the tell-tale signs of an off road excursion when the owner failed to realize that 4300 pounds (driver included) is hard on everything, including brakes. But what do I know? At the end of the day, we are both internet warriors with nothing better to do than argue about the musings of others.

I read the same thing you but what I got is that he was hoping the under dog would come out on top tell me you've never done that? What others heard was "no matter what I want ford to lose and Chevy to win" guess it comes down to how you interpret it.

Please quote the part in the first article where the author said they were hoping the Ford would win in the road race. Clearly it was the underdog there. If that quote exists, then there is no bias in this comparison. If you can't find them rooting for the Ford over the Camaro when the Ford was the underdog, then this is biased.


what's needed, is some german test driver that hates both ford and chevy to drive these things.
Completely agreed.

Ah yes...testing these cars as a "whole package". What that means to me is that at least a portion of this testing is subjective, so calling these results definitive in any way is a bridge too far.

And in case you didn't notice, I don't own a vehicle from either of the manufacturers in question here, so consider me an outsider looking in. As an outsider, I can clearly tell when one company has been outdone by the other. You, on the other hand, continue to wave this piece of garbage they are passing off as automotive literature like it was the second coming of Christ. I've said it before in other threads, and I'll say it again: this whole "but I'll own you in the twisties" argument was one that I've heard from ricer owners after they've had their doors blown off in street races. If you want to relegate yourself to that crowd, be my guest.

Maybe you are right...maybe I don't understand how ZL1 owners will actually use their cars. If it's anything like I've seen around here, it'll be more likely to see diapers rubbed all over the paint than the orange streak of parking lot cones or the tell-tale signs of an off road excursion when the owner failed to realize that 4300 pounds (driver included) is hard on everything, including brakes. But what do I know? At the end of the day, we are both internet warriors with nothing better to do than argue about the musings of others.

Yeah, but you're my #1 internet warrior.

yeah, but you're my #1 internet warrior.

I ♥ u 2

11mph difference LOL

ZL1 is slow and the GT500 stupid fast.

End of story.

Ah yes...testing these cars as a "whole package". What that means to me is that at least a portion of this testing is subjective, so calling these results definitive in any way is a bridge too far.

And in case you didn't notice, I don't own a vehicle from either of the manufacturers in question here, so consider me an outsider looking in. As an outsider, I can clearly tell when one company has been outdone by the other. You, on the other hand, continue to wave this piece of garbage they are passing off as automotive literature like it was the second coming of Christ. I've said it before in other threads, and I'll say it again: this whole "but I'll own you in the twisties" argument was one that I've heard from ricer owners after they've had their doors blown off in street races. If you want to relegate yourself to that crowd, be my guest.

Maybe you are right...maybe I don't understand how ZL1 owners will actually use their cars. If it's anything like I've seen around here, it'll be more likely to see diapers rubbed all over the paint than the orange streak of parking lot cones or the tell-tale signs of an off road excursion when the owner failed to realize that 4300 pounds (driver included) is hard on everything, including brakes. But what do I know? At the end of the day, we are both internet warriors with nothing better to do than argue about the musings of others.

If the outcome of the 2 of two comparasion was GT500 you guys would agree and stroke the stang some more but because it isn't winning now you guys wanna call it crap that's funny. As for your ricer comment about the twisties thats the week argument GT500 fan boys(regardless of what you currently drive) have jumped on to make themselves feel better because the ZL1 is winning the media battle. These may not mean a thing to guys looking for a stupid fast car (stang) but for a guy that's not brand loyal and wants a car that not only goes fast but handles and rides great he would lean towards the camaro and been provin twice now.

Now grab your sword and let's battle:engarde:

If the outcome of the 2 of two comparasion was GT500 you guys would agree and stroke the stang some more but because it isn't winning now you guys wanna call it crap that's funny. As for your ricer comment about the twisties thats the week argument GT500 fan boys(regardless of what you currently drive) have jumped on to make themselves feel better because the ZL1 is winning the media battle. These may not mean a thing to guys looking for a stupid fast car (stang) but for a guy that's not brand loyal and wants a car that not only goes fast but handles and rides great he would lean towards the camaro and been provin twice now.

Now grab your sword and let's battle:engarde:

But that's the thing...even this one-sided article (and all the rest) have shown that the ZL1 doesn't go fast, so all it can do is go around corners, and even then, it isn't hugely faster than the GT500.

Anyone with half a brain can tell when something is published merely to generate discussion, and this was one of those pieces. They distort reality to make it fit the conclusion they wanted, which was laid out in the first of this three part disaster. That you don't seem to understand that makes me wonder if you even meet that half a brain requirement.

And I'm not even going to bring up your crappy spelling job, because it wouldn't go in your favor.

But that's the thing...even this one-sided article (and all the rest) have shown that the ZL1 doesn't go fast, so all it can do is go around corners, and even then, it isn't hugely faster than the GT500.

Anyone with half a brain can tell when something is published merely to generate discussion, and this was one of those pieces. They distort reality to make it fit the conclusion they wanted, which was laid out in the first of this three part disaster. That you don't seem to understand that makes me wonder if you even meet that half a brain requirement.

And I'm not even going to bring up your crappy spelling job, because it wouldn't go in your favor.

I guess you never misspell or word things improperly huh? Keep on trying to make a personal attack since you've realized that your precious little mustang is losing the comparison battles. Keep drinking the quarter mile kool-aid since YOU don't understand the criteria of these test it's not just about one thing but that shouldn't matter since people with the GT500 won't drive there cars on the street only 1320 at a time right? Chevy clearly expressed that this car was built to do everything not just one and it shines in all catagories as does the GT500 only think is the ZL1 seems to have a better package but I guess you won't believe until someone you like test the two.

The ZL1 definitely does not shine at the drag strip.

I guess you never misspell or word things improperly huh? Keep on trying to make a personal attack since you've realized that your precious little mustang is losing the comparison battles. Keep drinking the quarter mile kool-aid since YOU don't understand the criteria of these test it's not just about one thing but that shouldn't matter since people with the GT500 won't drive there cars on the street only 1320 at a time right? Chevy clearly expressed that this car was built to do everything not just one and it shines in all catagories as does the GT500 only think is the ZL1 seems to have a better package but I guess you won't believe until someone you like test the two.

Where are you getting the "shines in all categories" thing? It doesn't shine at the drag strip at all, so how can you even make that argument? It is adequate at best, and honestly disappointing considering GM's HP/TQ ratings. Yes, I keep coming back to it, but only because you seem to be distorting the facts to support your position.

A 580hp car running 12.38 @ 114mph is far below adequate.

I don't think you would want "that guy" either since we know how much Europeans love a more refined handling machine over brute straight line speed and that would play into the ZL1's favor and some people would cry over him being biased because all he cares about is handling and not the 1320.

yea, i think i would.....because if they're truly closley matched, he's gonna say it that way. of course, every chance he got, he'd diss the american pieces of shit as he'd call them.....but he'd give his honest opinion on them. and that's all any of us want.

Nice try but you can't find one post of me trying to trash talk the GT500 to make the ZL1 the better car hell I don't have to so far two different sources have but people like you try to find a reason to take that away and that's fine because everytime they test it will be the same.

GT500=straight line king
ZL1=track king

It just so happens they are testing these cars as a whole package not just drag/track cars and that's why the ZL1 is winning so if you and others keep falling back on your straight line performance numbers because you can't understand what's going on or just choose not to that makes you more of a fanboy then anyone.

Now for the sig thats been up since the last comparasion that you guys cried about because there was no true numbers so try again fanboy....:)

<puts spoon in holster>

i'll back ya on this. you've argued with peoples on here as we all have. i don't recall you ever saying anything bad about the shelbys(at least not in my short time here so far).

take it for what you will though, the top gear stooges had come over here again, and took a mustang, camaro, and challenger from new york to tennesse. wanna guess which one they liked best?
that said, those guys are schmucks sometimes.....like the time they had the vette over on their track. they couldn't find performance problems with it, so they nit-picked at its build quality.

A 580hp car running 12.38 @ 114mph is far below adequate.

Makes me wonder if the traction control was hurting things.

They should have used the Automatic, so far its been the one to show better times stock.

A 580hp car running 12.38 @ 114mph is far below adequate.

its actually shitty.


i hope someone improves on that.

A 580hp car running 12.38 @ 114mph is far below adequate.True, agreed.
But then again according to some (myself not necessarily included), a 662hp car running only 11.7 is as well LOL. ;)
That 125mph is impressive though. :nod:

Nice try but you can't find one post of me trying to trash talk the GT500 to make the ZL1 the better car hell I don't have to so far two different sources have but people like you try to find a reason to take that away and that's fine because everytime they test it will be the same.

GT500=straight line king
ZL1=track winner, for now



Had to correct you there buddy. The GT500 is clearly the 1/4 mile king even with such few track slips, it will easily beat the ZL1, and anyone can see this.

Now, as far as the ZL1 being the track "king"? Not really. One track, and it bearly beat the GT500 by .7 seconds... thats not a clear win, especially since track configs vary so much.

I bet you $20 paypal, that the GT500 WILL BEAT the ZL1 in certain tracks, while the ZL1 wont beat the gt500 in a heads up drag race.....

Yes you can find a road course the GT500 will win on.

You can't find a dragstrip the ZL1 will win on.

I bet you $20 paypal, that the GT500 WILL BEAT the ZL1 in certain tracks, while the ZL1 wont beat the gt500 in a heads up drag race.....Yes you can find a road course the GT500 will win on.

You can't find a dragstrip the ZL1 will win on.True. :nod:

I guess we'll have to wait and see some results from other road courses.
How many wins exactly will it take for people to be convinced though?
Will the ZL1 beating the GT500 at 4 out of 5 road courses be enough, 6 out of 9? Or will it take a unanimous 100% win at every single track that they line up at to be totally sure?
Not disagreeing the the GT500 might find a course or two where it can win or anything, just trying to determine how the overall victor on the road courses (we already definitively know who wins in a straight line) will be determined. :)

True, agreed.
But then again according to some (myself not necessarily included), a 662hp car running only 11.7 is as well LOL. ;)
That 125mph is impressive though. :nod:

as much as i even hate to go here.....for this, they both have weight going against em. you guys are thinking 580hp or 662hp weighing in around 3,000-3300# i would imagine.

honestly I was surprised the GT500 ran faster than an 11.8 on street tires.

bring her over here, and have her lap both cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KiC03_wVjc

honestly I was surprised the GT500 ran faster than an 11.8 on street tires.

So far the best magazine time was 11.6 IIRC, and 129 is the highest trap. I look forward to seeing what this beast can do in negative DA, 130+ traps out of a bone stock $55k car with a full warranty is insane!!

I did and do think you will see a 130mph+ trap on the hero run/s.

So far the best magazine time was 11.6 IIRC, and 129 is the highest trap. I look forward to seeing what this beast can do in negative DA, 130+ traps out of a bone stock $55k car with a full warranty is insane!!

wellll ya gotta ad,mit........soonz ford finds out it was on a dragstrip, the warranty's prolly out the window.......

i find it funny that this "unbiased" writer calls the shelby a rolling pig, when motortrend says this:

Whereas the old car tended to exhibit front-end push, the 2013 displays crisper turn-in, the front Goodyears really biting into the asphalt and responding quickly to steering inputs, allowing you to be more aggressive with the throttle application mid-corner. In comfort mode there's a hint of body roll, but in sport the car stays nice and flat. With all that extra power and torque, it's easy to kick the rear end out, but -- unlike the old car -- when you get the rear loose in the 2013 GT500, its slide is progressive. The last-gen car would start to go, then suddenly it was gone. The 2013 is far more predictable, so it's easier to modulate exactly how far you want to swing the rear out.

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1205_2013_ford_shelby_gt500_first_test/viewall.html#ixzz1yTknZ2tf

and to thirdgen....that .98g from motortrend? avg. not max. i believe the 1.03 on the zl was max? not avg?

wellll ya gotta ad,mit........soonz ford finds out it was on a dragstrip, the warranty's prolly out the window.......

Do you just post to hear your keys click? That has nothing to do with the conversation and 75 percent of your posts offer no value. As fun as this is its not your personal chatroom

as much as i even hate to go here.....for this, they both have weight going against em. you guys are thinking 580hp or 662hp weighing in around 3,000-3300# i would imagine.I know. I personally don't find the numbers we've seen thus far (from either car) to be all that bad considering the temps and weights.
Neither 12.3 (for the ZL1) nor 11.7 (for the GT500) is exactly the norm for bone stock, in my opinion.
I think an 11.9 and 11.5 split is probably a better representation based on what we've seen so far.
Ultimately both cars WILL put up quicker ETs in stock trim in private hands but the Mustang will always be at least 4 to 6 tenths quicker and 6-9mph faster at the same track/same day/all else being equal.





honestly I was surprised the GT500 ran faster than an 11.8 on street tires.And it's not done yet either...look for lower half 11s (11.3s/11.2s?) in bone stock trim/stock tires come fall, in my opinion. :burn:




So far the best magazine time was 11.6 IIRC, and 129 is the highest trap. I look forward to seeing what this beast can do in negative DA, 130+ trapsI did and do think you will see a 130mph+ trap on the hero run/s.And yes, it will crack into the 130s once the good air comes back.
Maybe even a few 131mph passes :eek: in stock trim (132+ on a sticky tire in good air). :nod:

I know. I personally don't find the numbers we've seen thus far (from either car) to be all that bad considering the temps and weights.
Neither 12.3 (for the ZL1) nor 11.7 (for the GT500) is exactly the norm for bone stock, in my opinion.
I think an 11.9 and 11.5 split is probably a better representation based on what we've seen so far.
Ultimately both cars WILL put up quicker ETs in stock trim but the Mustang will always be at least 4 to 6 tenths quicker and 6-9mph faster same track/same day, all else being equal.





And it's not done yet either...look for lower half 11s (11.3s/11.2s?) in bone stock trim/stock tires come fall, in my opinion.





And yes, it will crack into the 130s once the good air comes back.
Maybe even a few 131mph passes :eek: in stock trim (132+ on a sticky tire in good air). :nod:

know what's scary about that? i was only doing 131 in my fiberglass wonder pictured below in my sig.......now of course, that was ALL that car could do well, but still.......

Do you just post to hear your keys click? That has nothing to do with the conversation and 75 percent of your posts offer no value. As fun as this is its not your personal chatroom

so my responding to someone who previously mentioned that it was great to have a car this fast with full warranty had more to do with this conversation than my mention of ford killing that warranty when it was found out it was on a track?

get the tampon outta your mouth and you'll be in a better mood.

if ya don't like my shit, don't read it. no one glued your eyeballs opened, and forced you to read that post.

Sounds like someone has sand in his panties......

Sounds like someone has sand in his panties......

hey!! stop that!! that has nothing to do with this conversation!! curse you you firebird person!! you forced me to read your off topic reply!!



SPOOOONNN!!!

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Originally Posted by Sax1031 View Post
A 580hp car running 12.38 @ 114mph is far below adequate.

its actually shitty.


i hope someone improves on that.

Tru Dat. The ZL1 is respectable, but the GT500 keeps up on the track, and runs away from the ZL1 like a bad dream in any gear. :thumb: