Automotive News, Media & Press - mustang takes another month in sales over 5th gens.

ill bet GM is nervous lol.


http://mustangs.about.com/b/2012/07/03/ford-mustang-sales-rise-above-camaro-again-in-june.htm

This just in, Al O is writing a letter to all GM shareholders telling them not to worry and explaining to them that being the sales leader is not what the Camaro is about.

I couldnt find anything on camaro5 about this. they're slipping.


maybe they're just upset. :jest:

Meh, they are allowed to have a few months here and there :jest:

I dont think gm cares whole lot about camaro vs mustang with the sales news that came out today.... Still the #1 auto company

Sounds like fleet sales and rental agencies bought some new stangs..lol..jk
Either way I don't care just glad to see all three have a good month with their pony cars or any car for that matter.:chug:

The last few months Ford was running a ton of Mustang ads on TV. I wonder if that helped. With the 5.0, they definately stepped it up. And then the Boss and the 662 hp GT500.

The last few months Ford was running a ton of Mustang ads on TV. I wonder if that helped. With the 5.0, they definately stepped it up. And then the Boss and the 662 hp GT500.

They probably had some really good incentives trying to get rid of all the 12's to make room for the 13's which are gonna sell strong since its a new my and fresh look.:D

I couldnt find anything on camaro5 about this. they're slipping.


maybe they're just upset. :jest:

they're a bunch of pussies over there.

Regardless of who is "winning," both cars are selling VERY well considering the shitty economy we are dealing with. That's a testament to the quality that was put into the builds this time around.

they're a bunch of pussies over there.

ROFL. i rarely go there.

Regardless of who is "winning," both cars are selling VERY well considering the shitty economy we are dealing with. That's a testament to the quality that was put into the builds this time around.



not only that, don't you find it rather strange that hot rods are selling so darn well when the talking heads are all trying to tell us that we want econo-shit boxes?

ROFL. i rarely go there.

i don't at all. i made a comment in one thread calling al op a liar. i got a 2 week vacation for that.
one day after that suspension was up, i got a pm from one of the mods, telling me to try to "fit in" better.

i replied to him asking what i should do to try to fit in. i'd given advice in some tech threads....though not as many as i have here......i'd praised the zl for its accomplishments, and was only stating facts when i mentioned how poorly the zl performed compared to the shelby. next day, i went to look for his reply, and got a message that i was permenantly banned. i nearly fell off of my chair laughing. :D

fucking pussies that say shit that they wouldn't dare repeat face to face......:devil:

Does anyone have a link to every month by month sales record? I'd like to see how long the new Camaro was on top for.

Does anyone have a link to every month by month sales record? I'd like to see how long the new Camaro was on top for.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234912

Does anyone have a link to every month by month sales record? I'd like to see how long the new Camaro was on top for.

if you're gnna do that, then ya hafta go back to 1967. you'll most likely find that throughout history, mosty years, the stang has outsold the camaro. don't try to bring in the firechicken.....different car.

if you're gnna do that, then ya hafta go back to 1967. you'll most likely find that throughout history, mosty years, the stang has outsold the camaro. don't try to bring in the firechicken.....different car.

its not really a different car. at least for a long time it wasnt. pre 82 i guess they were.


but didnt ford include cougar and capri sales in with mustangs because they were similar?

but i think he just wants a 5th gen. comparison.

its not really a different car. at least for a long time it wasnt. pre 82 i guess they were.


but didnt ford include cougar and capri sales in with mustangs because they were similar?

but i think he just wants a 5th gen. comparison.

i don't think ford did that. the couger didn't come out till 67. generally it was a little bigger, a lot softer, and more luxury oriented than the mustangs were. the only things it really shared were engine/tranny combinations.

on the other hand, from the camaro/firebird inception till 72 or 73, the firebirds had pontiac engines in them. most pontiac engines could shame most ford and nearly all chevy engines as far as torque was concerned. this included the straight six cylinders.
somewhere around 73, pontiac started messing around and installing oldsmobile and buick engines in their cars. probably part of why they ended up being eliminated over at gm.

if i'm not mistaken, it wasn't till the incarnation of the third gen camaro/firebird that the bird shared the chevy engines.

if he's young, that may be all he cares about, 'cause it's all he's seen. i looked at the "how old are other fbody owners" thread, and seeing the number of "younger than 25" members, explains a lot of what i see in here. to the best of my knowledge, the 5th gen has nearly constantly outsold the mustang, and with good reason. it is(was?) new, fresh, and cool as hell looking, compared to the mustang that was running a 3 or 4 year old look, with an anemic engine.
i think the introduction of the new body style stang in 2010 helped, but the camaro is/was still too dam fresh at that point.

now, if i REALLY wanted to get cheesy, i could try to count a few years of the mercury capri with mustang sales, seeing as they were identical save for a few body panels..........:engarde:

i don't think ford did that. the couger didn't come out till 67. generally it was a little bigger, a lot softer, and more luxury oriented than the mustangs were. the only things it really shared were engine/tranny combinations.

on the other hand, from the camaro/firebird inception till 72 or 73, the firebirds had pontiac engines in them. most pontiac engines could shame most ford and nearly all chevy engines as far as torque was concerned. this included the straight six cylinders.
somewhere around 73, pontiac started messing around and installing oldsmobile and buick engines in their cars. probably part of why they ended up being eliminated over at gm.

if i'm not mistaken, it wasn't till the incarnation of the third gen camaro/firebird that the bird shared the chevy engines.

if he's young, that may be all he cares about, 'cause it's all he's seen. i looked at the "how old are other fbody owners" thread, and seeing the number of "younger than 25" members, explains a lot of what i see in here. to the best of my knowledge, the 5th gen has nearly constantly outsold the mustang, and with good reason. it is(was?) new, fresh, and cool as hell looking, compared to the mustang that was running a 3 or 4 year old look, with an anemic engine.
i think the introduction of the new body style stang in 2010 helped, but the camaro is/was still too dam fresh at that point.

now, if i REALLY wanted to get cheesy, i could try to count a few years of the mercury capri with mustang sales, seeing as they were identical save for a few body panels..........:engarde:


after that 81 TA with a 4.9 turbo fiasco it made sense to start sharing engines. what a turd that car was though ive read its valuable to who i dont know. i knew a guy that had one. while it was slow it was also very unreliable.

previous pontiac engines were badass though. at least some. didnt they make a 326? something like that and i remember it not being a great performer. but those HO motors were nice.


but youre right about one thing. the fbody mentality on here is kind of humorous. what i mean is and im a big ls1 fbody fan but i realize its shortcomings and why GM has deviated from that design and most on this board have trouble accepting this.

why i dont know because 5th gens are nice cars and most importantly extremely successful.

after that 81 TA with a 4.9 turbo fiasco it made sense to start sharing engines. what a turd that car was though ive read its valuable to who i dont know. i knew a guy that had one.I rode in one once back in the mid-late '80s, fun car but certainly didn't have the 'kick' that the late '70s 6.6L cars had. :nod:





previous pontiac engines were badass though. at least some. didnt they make a 326? something like that and i remember it not being a great performer. but those HO motors were nice.I agree and yes, there was a 326 in the mid-late '60s, my oldest brother's first car was a used '66 or '67 LeMans convertible with the 326. :nod:

if you're gnna do that, then ya hafta go back to 1967. you'll most likely find that throughout history, mosty years, the stang has outsold the camaro. don't try to bring in the firechicken.....different car.

No, same car except appearance.

No, same car except appearance.

negatory on that.

google it before you argue.

No, same car except appearance.

here, i did you a favor, so you don't embarrass yourself.

Engines
1967 230 cu in (3.8 L) Pontiac OHC I6 326 cu in (5.3 L) Pontiac V8 326 cu in (5.3 L) Pontiac H.O. V8 400 cu in (6.6 L) Pontiac V8 400 cu in (6.6 L) Pontiac Ram Air V8
1968 250 cu in (4.1 L) Pontiac OHC I6 350 cu in (5.7 L) Pontiac V8 350 cu in (5.7 L)Pontiac H.O. V8 400 cu in (6.6 L) Pontiac V8 400 cu in (6.6 L) Pontiac H.O. V8 400 cu in (6.6 L) Pontiac Ram Air II V8 (mid-year release)
1969 250 cu in (4.1 L) Pontiac OHC I6 350 cu in (5.7 L) Pontiac V8 350 cu in (5.7 L) Pontiac H.O. V8 400 cu in (6.6 L) Pontiac V8 400 cu in (6.6 L) Pontiac H.O. Ram Air III V8 400 cu in (6.6 L) Pontiac Ram Air IV V8


Engines
1970 250 cu in (4.1 L) I6 350 cu in (5.7 L) Pontiac V8 400 cu in (6.6 L) Pontiac V8 400 cu in (6.6 L) Pontiac Ram Air III V8 400 cu in (6.6 L) Pontiac Ram Air IV V8
1971 250 cu in (4.1 L) I6 350 cu in (5.7 L) Pontiac V8 400 cu in (6.6 L) Pontiac V8 455 cu in (7.5 L) Pontiac V8 455 cu in (7.5 L) Pontiac H.O. V8 (low compression)
1972 250 cu in (4.1 L) I6 350 cu in (5.7 L) Pontiac V8 400 cu in (6.6 L) Pontiac V8 455 cu in (7.5 L) Pontiac V8 455 cu in (7.5 L) H.O. (low compression)
1973 250 cu in (4.1 L) I6 350 cu in (5.7 L) Pontiac V8 455 cu in (7.5 L) Pontiac V8 455 cu in (7.5 L) Pontiac H.O. V8 455 cu in (7.5 L) S.D. V8
1974 250 cu in (4.1 L) I6 350 cu in (5.7 L) Pontiac V8 400 cu in (6.6 L) Pontiac V8 455 cu in (7.5 L) Pontiac V8 455 cu in (7.5 L) Pontiac H.O. V8 455 cu in (7.5 L) Pontiac S.D. V8
1975 250 cu in (4.1 L) I6 350 cu in (5.7 L) Pontiac V8 400 cu in (6.6 L) Pontiac V8 455 cu in (7.5 L) Pontiac V8
1976 250 cu in (4.1 L) I6 350 cu in (5.7 L) Pontiac V8 400 cu in (6.6 L) Pontiac V8 455 cu in (7.5 L) Pontiac V8
1977 231 cu in (3.8 L) V6 301 cu in (4.9 L) Pontiac V8 305 cu in (5.0 L) Chevrolet V8 350 cu in (5.7 L) Pontiac V8 400 cu in (6.6 L) Pontiac V8 403 cu in (6.6 L) Oldsmobile V8
1978 231 cu in (3.8 L) V6 301 cu in (4.9 L) Pontiac V8 305 cu in (5.0 L) Chevrolet V8 350 cu in (5.7 L) Pontiac V8 400 cu in (6.6 L) Pontiac V8 403 cu in (6.6 L) Oldsmobile V8
1979 231 cu in (3.8 L) V6 301 cu in (4.9 L) Pontiac V8 305 cu in (5.0 L) Chevrolet V8 350 cu in (5.7 L) Pontiac V8 400 cu in (6.6 L) Pontiac V8 403 cu in (6.6 L) Oldsmobile V8
1980 265 cu in (4.3 L) Pontiac V8 301 cu in (4.9 L) Pontiac V8 305 cu in (5.0 L) Chevrolet V8 (automatic only) 301 cu in (4.9 L) Pontiac turbo V8
1981 265 cu in (4.3 L) Pontiac V8 301 cu in (4.9 L) Pontiac V8 305 cu in (5.0 L) Chevrolet V8 (4-speed only) 301 cu in (4.9 L) Pontiac turbo V8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Firebird

if you're gnna do that, then ya hafta go back to 1967. you'll most likely find that throughout history, mosty years, the stang has outsold the camaro. don't try to bring in the firechicken.....different car.

That's the biggest "troll" comment I've read all week :jest:

That's the biggest "troll" comment I've read all week :jest:

He has to make an argument of everything, much like the Corvette comment in the other thread. Oh and offer personal opinion in every single post whether directed at him or not. No wonder these threads get so long.

LT1 chill the guy was asking about where to find data that's all keyboard commando

That's the biggest "troll" comment I've read all week :jest:

aaww c'mon!! you don't think my posting that long assed post with the engines in the old firebirds was more of a troll? :devil::engarde:

88..... stop taking me so seriously dude.

aaww c'mon!! you don't think my posting that long assed post with the engines in the old firebirds was more of a troll? :devil::engarde:

88..... stop taking me so seriously dude.

I don't at all that's kind of the issue at hand.

Sometimes less is more. You post more than anyone but with little to no substance.

The last few months Ford was running a ton of Mustang ads on TV. I wonder if that helped. With the 5.0, they definately stepped it up. And then the Boss and the 662 hp GT500.

not only that in the newspaper they have 5.0's for sale at 25k!!! with 0 percent financing they're dirt cheap right now

not only that in the newspaper they have 5.0's for sale at 25k!!! with 0 percent financing they're dirt cheap right now

i can tell you right now, if i were young(like younger than 25) i'd be sitting in a gt for well under $200/month, 'cause i'd have jumped on the base model. as it is i'm almost old, and wanted the shit in the premium package.

not only that, don't you find it rather strange that hot rods are selling so darn well when the talking heads are all trying to tell us that we want econo-shit boxes?

Unfortunately, the reason that the talking heads are pushing econoboxes is because of the CAFE standards. Otherwise, they'd just make what sells.

well no shit the mustang is outselling the 5th gen... the mustang just underwent an overhaul, while the 5th gen camaro is still the same one you've been able to buy for a while now... the people that want the 5th gens probably already have one, whereas the people who want the new mustangs are getting them.

well no shit the mustang is outselling the 5th gen... the mustang just underwent an overhaul, while the 5th gen camaro is still the same one you've been able to buy for a while now... the people that want the 5th gens probably already have one, whereas the people who want the new mustangs are getting them.

:huh:

just to stoke the fire.....i copy/pasted this from another chevy forum. he doesn't cite sources.

Notes:
1. Cobra production from 1965-1969 is not included (it was counted as a separate line by Ford).
2. Numbers preceded by an asterik (*) designates a redesigned .
3. I didn't include Firebird or Capri figures though they are similar cars. With Ford having only 4000 dealers to Chevrolet's 5000, I don't need to!!

Year: Mustang/Camaro
64:*121,583/NA
65: 559,451/NA
66: 607,568/NA
67: 474,121/*220,906
68: 317,404/ 235,147
68: 299,824/ 243,065
69: 299,824/ 243,065
70: 190,727/ 124,901
71:*149,678/*114,630
72: 125,093/ 114,630 (not a typo!)
73: 134,867/ 96,751
74:*385,993/ 151,008
75: 188,575/ 145,770
76: 187,567/ 182,959
77: 153,173/ 218,858*********
78: 192,410/ 272,631*********
79:*369,936/ 282,571
80: 271,322/ 152,005
81: 181,552/ 126,139
82: 130,418/*189,747*********
83: 120,873/ 154,318*********
84: 135,678/ 261,591**********
85: 156,514/ 180,018**********
86: 224,410/ 192,219
87: 159,145/ 137,760
88: 211,225/ 96,275
89: 209,769/ 110,850
90: 128,189/ 35,048
91: 98,737/ 101,316***********
92: 79,280/ 70,712
93: 114,228/ *39,755
94:*123,198/ 119,934
95: 185,986/ 122,844
96: 126,483/ 66,827
97: 100,254/ 95,812
98: 170,642/ 77,198
99: 126,067/ 42,098
00: 218,525/ 45,417
01: 155,162/ 29,009
(01 production stopped May 2001. 2002 had a lengthy run))
02: (not yet released)

Total 1965-2001: 7,899,556/ 4,821,768

i added in the long ********* to signify the very few years that the camaro outsold the mustang. looking at the 98. 99, 00, and 01 sales figures, it's no wonder gm dropped it.

also, you can add 2010, 2011, and 2012(i think?) so to summarize, in 34 years of mustang/camaro production, only FIVE years did the camaro outsell.

not only that in the newspaper they have 5.0's for sale at 25k!!! with 0 percent financing they're dirt cheap right nowThat is A LOT of performance car for the money. :thumb:





i can tell you right now, if i were young(like younger than 25) i'd be sitting in a gt for well under $200/month, 'cause i'd have jumped on the base model. as it is i'm almost old, and wanted the shit in the premium package.I too generally only order the simplest/lightest/least expensive model available when buying a new performance car, :nod: regardless of my age LOL. :D

That is A LOT of performance car for the money. :thumb:





I too generally only order the simplest/lightest/least expensive model available when buying a new performance car, :nod: regardless of my age LOL. :D

yea, butcha know what? those heated seats felt rrrreeeeeaaaallllllyyyyyy good on the cold mornings.

1lt are you going to be one of the ford guys with more posts on ls1tech than all the ford sites you're registered on? If so, is it because the ford forums suck ass?

:huh:

You've been able to purchase the 5th gen camaro since 2009, and if people (especially older camaro enthusiasts) wanted one, they bought them earlier. This new redesign mustang 5th gen came out just this year, and of course the new redesign is going to sell cars immediately. Look at the new mustang sales by year:

2005 160,975
2006[66] 166,530
2007 134,626
2008[67] 91,251
2009[68] 66,623
2010[69] 73,716
2011[70] 70,438


The sales definitely tapered because of the new body style losing it's marketing power, so they overhauled it.

1lt are you going to be one of the ford guys with more posts on ls1tech than all the ford sites you're registered on? If so, is it because the ford forums suck ass?

there are only 3 boards i visit on a regular basis now. here, flamewarriors, and aces high. i enjoy the conversations on these three.

i think it has more to do with ford offering killer incentives over a refreshing of its current model.


and theres no indication so far that camaro sales are slowing. theyre still very strong.

You've been able to purchase the 5th gen camaro since 2009, and if people (especially older camaro enthusiasts) wanted one, they bought them earlier. This new redesign mustang 5th gen came out just this year, and of course the new redesign is going to sell cars immediately. Look at the new mustang sales by year:

2005 160,975
2006[66] 166,530
2007 134,626
2008[67] 91,251
2009[68] 66,623
2010[69] 73,716
2011[70] 70,438


The sales definitely tapered because of the new body style losing it's marketing power, so they overhauled it.

they sold more mustangs in 09 than camaros.

they sold more mustangs in 09 than camaros.

Only because the Camaro didnt hit showrooms until late March / early April and it was about 5,000 units.

Only because the Camaro didnt hit showrooms until late March / early April and it was about 5,000 units.

what about the pre-orders in 2008?

what about the pre-orders in 2008?

Pre orders dont mean anything. Its not like pre-orders got sent out before they started selling cars. In late Mar / early April the cars started showing up in show rooms. Thats when you could buy them. I ordered mine in Feb and it came in July. GM didnt get a February sale for a car that didnt exist.

Pre orders dont mean anything. Its not like pre-orders got sent out before they started selling cars. In late Mar / early April the cars started showing up in show rooms. Thats when you could buy them. I ordered mine in Feb and it came in July. GM didnt get a February sale for a car that didnt exist.

Sales

Chevrolet started taking pre-orders for the 2010 Camaro on October 13, 2008, however sales to rentals and orders made after the pre-order period, were processed before many of the pre-orders. By the end of 2008, General Motors confirmed more than 10,000 advanced orders[49] and that all pre-orders would be completed by October 2009.[50] Camaro sales began in April 2009. On January 17, 2009, the first production fifth-generation Camaro was auctioned at the 2009 Barrett-Jackson Collector Car Auction.[51] The winning bidder paid US$350,000 with all proceeds going to the American Heart Association.

so those didn't count as sales?

Sales

Chevrolet started taking pre-orders for the 2010 Camaro on October 13, 2008, however sales to rentals and orders made after the pre-order period, were processed before many of the pre-orders. By the end of 2008, General Motors confirmed more than 10,000 advanced orders[49] and that all pre-orders would be completed by October 2009.[50] Camaro sales began in April 2009. On January 17, 2009, the first production fifth-generation Camaro was auctioned at the 2009 Barrett-Jackson Collector Car Auction.[51] The winning bidder paid US$350,000 with all proceeds going to the American Heart Association.

so those didn't count as sales?

If you ever looked at sales numbers you would see they started in April. Again advanced orders dont mean anything, as you dont pay for the car until it arives. Many people such as myself found dealers promising sticker, but when the car came in, they tried to mark it up. Forcing many to get their car elsewhere. Okay someone paid $350k for the first production camaro in January, give them a plus one for January and then compare that to the thousands of mustangs sold if it makes you feel better. Fact is sales did not start officially until late march eary april. Im sorry you disagree with facts. Did you even read what you bolded?

what i see, is 10k pre-orders. if those 10k people didn't manage to actually buy the car, then i could understand.

what i see, is 10k pre-orders. if those 10k people didn't manage to actually buy the car, then i could understand.

They did buy the car.....the month it made it to the dealership. Again I ordered my car in Feb and it came in July. That was a July sale for the Camaro, not February.:bang:

i can tell you right now, if i were young(like younger than 25) i'd be sitting in a gt for well under $200/month, 'cause i'd have jumped on the base model. as it is i'm almost old, and wanted the shit in the premium package.A new Mustang GT for under $200 a month? I'm guessing that includes a massive down payment, for a sale or lease, or an unusually long finance period. When I was looking at the Focus, the least expensive GT on the lot was nearly 30k. The least expensive 2013 GT I saw was WAY over 30k. If I remember correctly, they didn't have any under 36k.

I am curious where I might find such a low price, but in the 3 Florida dealerships I've visited, 2 have "market adjusted pricing" in effect, raising the price by about $1,500 per car(even on some V6 cars). None of the 3 offered any non-Ford offered break. Maybe that was due to the fact I was looking more seriously at the Focus, but whatever. :corn: