Multimedia Exchange - 09 ACR Viper or 08 v8 audi r8

Im really torn and just wanted your opinion.

Ive owned the following.

Supercharged v6 camaro 220 rwhp
Head and cam c5 380 rwhp
Supercharged nsx 335 rwhp
Bolt on gen2 viper 445 rwhp
Current cammed and bolt on gen 3 viper 555 rwhp


Im now decideing between a new never titled 09 acr viper or a 08 v8 audi r8.

The viper is ovbious. 550 rwhp stock and hands down one of the fastest road raceing cars ever made. In your face styling and well you know whats up.


The 2008 r8 in v8 trim even though 4 years old is still 100k. While I can get the never titled acr for just 90k. But the more I learn of these audi r8s the more I like them.

Sure 430 hp and 3600 pounds isnt fast. Your talking 12.8 @110 mph. Laughable for a 130k car.

The v10 model is 3750 pounds and 525 hp with a more respectable 11.8 @ 122 mph. But at 120k for a used 2009 v10 its to expensive for me.

The v8 r8 with its awd and r tronic paddle shifter plus gorgous interior with the engine viewed beneath the rear glass is just little by little drawing me away from the american beaste.

Just interested in your opinions. I realize they couldnt be any differant.





My current car

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRhDm497u5A



Audi r8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wQi45U8QSk

I am not a fan of flappy paddle gear boxes, so +1 viper

I'm a fan of flappy paddle gear boxes -when they actually work worth a shit, so +1 on the R8. The Viper is awesome but you can live with the R8 on a daily basis if needed.

Viper, because it's a f$@kin Viper!

Sick denali...dont get me wrong I love vipers...but couldnt someone easily say r8 cas its a f@#%?en r8.

Is the viper in the same league as the r8 to you? There was a time when I thought so but now Im unsure

Viper for speed. r8 for everything else. I see more vipers running around than r8s as well but, in the speed/power category it would be a major step down from the viper.

I honestly think the viper is sexier too tho

And then it's an ACR! R8s are badass no doubt. But then you will always wonder or wish for the v10.

Damn Brother! For that kind of money, I would be looking at a slightly used ZR1, or a GTR. But if your only two choices were the Viper or the R8, it would be Viper hands down. Since you've had two Vipers previously, I can see why you are leaning towards the R8.

Ben

Ya if it were me Id be looking into a ZR1 since you already own a Viper. Since this sounds like just a fun toy though, Id go with the ACR. If something that will be driven often, the R8 obiviously..

Another vote for a GT-R or ZR1 at that price. But if for some reason those two aren't to be considered, another nod for the Viper. No way would I settle for an Audi R8 V8 when the V10 is just a little more expensive but a way better car.

Killemall as much as I know you, with the amount you like to race I would recommend the Viper. Now if you are driving the car often and really don't care about going fast anymore, get the R8. It is so much nicer and cleaner. My buddy has a V10 R8 GT. The car is clean as hell but even with a tune it was still slower than my tune only 09 GT-R.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN17N2lcH1g&feature=player_embedded

Get the Audi r8 to change it up a bit then time will pass and u will miss the raw power so what u do then hopefuly enough time has passed and u jump on a used 2013 viper:)

Get the R8. Knowing you that Viper will be wrecked. Good luck finding replacement body panels for an ACR.

Wait for new Viper!

honestly a C6Z06 would be awsome. I see more R8's out here in cali than i do vipers. but back in Texas i see those snakes all over the place. ZR1's are flashy and all. but the Z06 is still king. with about a 100 horses less and still pulling insane numbers.

get a gtr , better than either one and in the same price range.

R8 and drop it off at UGR.

Def Viper or C6 z06 I've ridden in the v10 r8 and its fast dont get me wrong but no where near as fast as the z06 and viper i rode in and theres something about that untamed american v8/v10 power that is just badass lol

can i add an option? its in your price range new or used.. its a rossion Q1. depending on what you want to use it for (track or street) it seems like a badass car. yes its a v6 but its a twin turbo ecoboost? with 450 hp and you might possible be able to get it higher. and its made here in florida

http://www.inertiasport.com/wp-content/gallery/rossion-q1/q1_interior1.jpg

http://sanfranciscosportscars.com/2011-rossion-q1/2011-rossion-q1-003.jpg

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6177/6154258324_b3c1f31393_z.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-1e7gocYi4

To me the zr1 is nice but at the end of the day just another vette and my 9 year old current srt viper seems a lot more special. Been there and done that and will never again own a vette. Great car but I love rare cars that you dont see often. For the same reason porshes do very little for me.

Gtr is a amazeing car but huge and quite boreing looking. Id never consider one unless I couldnt afford a daily driver.

Im not about speed anymore. Ive realized that no matter what you do your always gonna be slow. Ive got some ported heads in my garage that will put my viper at 600 rwhp (already 555 rwhp with current cam)

Ill never install the heads. 600 rwhp is still slow. 700 rwhp is still slow. I run in groups were 700-900 rwhp is pretty normal. Weve got one tt viper thats getting tuned for 1300 rwhp.

I could easily get a twin turboed gts or srt viper at 1000 hp for wayyyy under 100k off ebay. Likely under 70k.

But that just dosent matter as much as it did to me a few years ago.


Ive decided I will get the r8 but Im gonna do what I gotta do to swing the v10 model. The thought of a lower end exotic with everyday drivability and a plush suspension and carbon fiber surrounding the engine gets me more pumped than hp numbers.

Itll be a few months because I gotta sell my viper first but Ill post up pics when I get it.

Thanks for the responses.

Excellent choice! They sound amazing, and I imagine drive even better.

Funny how the older you get, the less absolute speed and power mean, and the more the overall car experience means.

And your exactly right about fast cars, there is always someone faster than you!

You know my thoughts on it.

R8. If your really going to be stressing about street racing and losing your ass to everyone.. Then you might as well get a Viper. But for nice fast sports car with near perfect balance, kicks ass at time attacks, has a luxury interior and is fast.. I'd go with the R8. I will say that not many people can keep up with the R8 anyways in terms of looks and speed.

DO IT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-1e7gocYi4

I'm almost in tears over the beauty of that car...

That thing hit 180 mph fast!

Lamborghini? You can get a used Gallardo for the same price as a V8 R8 if those are still going for $100k (under/around $100k for a Gallardo with under 15k miles). There is no way in hell I would take a V8 R8 over a Gallardo. I wouldn't even take a V10 one, they look great, but IMO look too much like the Audi TT. That or wait for the new Viper, but you might get stuck with the first year issues most cars have.

How much are ACR Vipers? I would think you would have money left for a supercharger if you were to buy one of those over an R8, making the mid-high 12s at 110 seem that much worse. Even stock an ACR Viper is going to run laps around a R8.

All the 2008-2010 vipers can do 130 mph in the quartermile stock. They are badass for sure.


Yes I considered a Gallardo. You can find many 04-05 gallardos for 85-100k. Roughly the same price as a 08 r8.

Problem is your buying a 7-8 year old car that will cost you a grip if anythings wrong. As well its a lil too flashy for me. People expect to see a rapper or multi millionair step out of a Gallardo.

Only way Id get one is if I could afford the lp560. Until then Im not gonna be a lambo poser rockin a 04 gallardo prayin the thing dosent break.

I made that mistake years ago buying a nsx whle I still had a viper and several other cars. Sure I got the nsx for a relatively cheap price. But the maintance was insane. 4k when the clutch went out.


A 04 gallardo my only be 90k but the maintanance is still on a 200k msrp rare italian.


The acr vipers are 75-85 used and 90-110 new. No superchargers available for those as of yet.

How much are ACR Vipers? I would think you would have money left for a supercharger if you were to buy one of those over an R8, making the mid-high 12s at 110 seem that much worse. Even stock an ACR Viper is going to run laps around a R8.

No blower for a Gen IV unless you install a new engine management system of some sort - the Gen IV Viper ECUs use rolling encryption that no one has been able to crack, or at the very least they aren't interesting in trying (and who could blame them? They only made ~2,500 of them). No ability to tune the car = no blower. That may change in the future, but I'm not holding my breath.

All the 2008-2010 vipers can do 130 mph in the quartermile stock. They are badass for sure.


Yes I considered a Gallardo. You can find many 04-05 gallardos for 85-100k. Roughly the same price as a 08 r8.

Problem is your buying a 7-8 year old car that will cost you a grip if anythings wrong. As well its a lil too flashy for me. People expect to see a rapper or multi millionair step out of a Gallardo.

Only way Id get one is if I could afford the lp560. Until then Im not gonna be a lambo poser rockin a 04 gallardo prayin the thing dosent break.

I made that mistake years ago buying a nsx whle I still had a viper and several other cars. Sure I got the nsx for a relatively cheap price. But the maintance was insane. 4k when the clutch went out.


A 04 gallardo my only be 90k but the maintanance is still on a 200k msrp rare italian.


The acr vipers are 75-85 used and 90-110 new. No superchargers available for those as of yet.

That is spot on. The R8 is the best choice for all around everyday enjoyment and comfort.

Yes I considered a Gallardo. You can find many 04-05 gallardos for 85-100k. Roughly the same price as a 08 r8.

Problem is your buying a 7-8 year old car that will cost you a grip if anythings wrong. As well its a lil too flashy for me. People expect to see a rapper or multi millionair step out of a Gallardo.

Only way Id get one is if I could afford the lp560. Until then Im not gonna be a lambo poser rockin a 04 gallardo prayin the thing dosent break.

I made that mistake years ago buying a nsx whle I still had a viper and several other cars. Sure I got the nsx for a relatively cheap price. But the maintance was insane. 4k when the clutch went out.


A 04 gallardo my only be 90k but the maintanance is still on a 200k msrp rare italian.



How can you afford any of these cars if you are bitching about a $4k clutch install on an NSX? Maintenance on the R8 is going to be on the same level as the Lamborghini IF anything happens, while the Viper will be much lower. A 2008 Audi is just as likely to have something break as a 2004/2005 Gallardo.

And as far as the poser comment, really? :eyes: A lot of the UGR cars are 04/05 Gallardos, and I don't see anyone bitching about them. I would say buying a V8 R8 is on par with buying a V6 Camaro/Mustang; much more of a poser car than having a Gallardo that's not brand new.

To each his own.

From what ive read maintanance is cheaper on an r8 vs gallardo.

I can afford the maintance. My viper has cost me many thousands this year. You never really know whats gonna happen with any vehicle.

But everything Ive read on the 04-05 gallardos is that the egear goes bad regurly and cost a grip. Thats not somthing I want to deal with.

As far as the guys who have a plan and but the cheapest g they can and then tt it. I respect those guys. Whatthey do makes sense and they end up with one of the baddest rides on the planet.

I on the otherhand wont be twin turboing anything. So a 9 year old Gallardo is not for me.

As far as the r8 v8 being a poser car I dont see it that way. The cheapest base model r8 is 120k. Thats easy zr1 or acr viper money if you want speed.

A 90k 2004 Gallardo is still a nice car. But I just wouldnt feel comfortable unless I was actually high rolling. Im talking a solid 25k a month take home. Where my life style could match my Lamborghini..lol

R8 sits inbetween a viper and Gallardo to me. I think Im ready for that now.

I was talking a manual Gallardo, not egear. You're looking at a full blown race car (ACR), and yet you won't go for a manual Gallardo/R8??

I already have a 555 rwhp srt viper. Its a manual.

My wife cant drive a stick and this is much of the allure of getting a paddle shifted auto. Would love us both being able to enjoy the car.

Im more of a ferrari guy than lambo by far. The f430 would be my choice over a gallardo any day of the week but your talkin 130k plus.

The acr is somthing I really want. Trust me my license plate would read "712SEC"......But it would be more of the same of what Ive already had and wife still cant drive.

The biggest smile on my face would be from seeing my wife take off in the r8 to go do her nails. Finally us both enjoying my hobby. Tried and tried to get her to learn manual but she just wont even try.




To me a 09 v10 r8 is a better car than a 04 Gallardo in every way minus exterior

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nebhvouprQ0

You're looking at a V8 R8 though, that's a whole different ballgame than the V10. My main reason for the Gallardo was because I would be sending it to UGR, but if you just want a nice semi-auto cruiser the V8 R8 isn't bad.

Have you thought about picking up a ACR Viper and getting your wife something for herself? You can find 06/07 LS2 C6s with the 6-speed auto and paddle shifters for around $25-30k. Then you get what you want, and she gets something to enjoy the hobby. I know that comes out to more than an R8, but when you are spending that kind of money you should be more worried about what you really want.

Im gonna try for the v10.

Problem is I can get the v8 in the exact color I want with sub 9k miles with all the carbon fiber trimmings I want with the interior color I want as I can afford any 08-09 v8 I want.

With the v10 model its not like that. Im looking at 20k plus mile 09s and will have to take whatever color and interior I can find for the cheaper ones rarely at 120k.

Just hope that lp560 engine is worth the extra 20k!

The V10 sound is SO worth it over the V8. If you're going to have an exotic car it has to have the right sound, and while the V8 in them doesn't sound bad, it's no V10. Although, $120k is pretty close to what it would cost for a 2004/5 Gallardo and UGRs stage one kit (650whp pump/850whp race gas) for $35k, and then you would have a seriously bad-fucking-ass ride. That's talking a manual again of course, I don't know how much UGR charges to upgrade the E-Gear transmission in them. I know, I know, you said no Gallardo, but I freakin' love what UGR is doing with them :hail:

120k for a stage 1 tt g?

Hell of a car for the money.


Theres a Heffner v8 tt r8 ive been looking at for 120k. Only like 520 awhp though. Kinda laughable. But faster than a stock v10