Street Racing & Kill Stories - 2012 SRT8 Challenger runs a 12.91 @113.5

Went to Royal Purple Raceway Park in Baytown friday night and it was HOTTTTT and HumiD!!! Went to race my buddies 2012 Bone stock SRT8 470/470 Challenger auto that some claim aren't very fast on this forum. I had some mechanical issues but my 02 SS Camaro still ran a 12.36 @ 117. He runs a 12.91 @ 113.5 on the factory street tires spinning with 35PSI in them. In some cool air on sticky tires that bitch will run a bottom 12. The car weighs 4120 without anybody in it. The Camaro weighs 3420 empty.

Went to Royal Purple Raceway Park in Baytown friday night and it was HOTTTTT and HumiD!!! Went to race my buddies 2012 Bone stock SRT8 470/470 Challenger auto that some claim aren't very fast on this forum. I had some mechanical issues but my 02 SS Camaro still ran a 12.36 @ 117. He runs a 12.91 @ 113.5 on the factory street tires spinning with 35PSI in them. In some cool air on sticky tires that bitch will run a bottom 12. The car weighs 4120 without anybody in it. The Camaro weighs 3420 empty.

Nice. not a bad time if it was humid. There are alot of guys running low 12's bone stock with the 392. Few guys have gone 12.0's with DR's.

Thats not impressive after all the smack I have heard on here about how fast they are (DA considered). Especially that trap speed...

For a 4400lb car thats pretty good,do you know what the DA was?

Good Kill!:bomb:

Thats not impressive after all the smack I have heard on here about how fast they are (DA considered). Especially that trap speed...

What do you think they should run? They are 4200+ lb cars. Going off power-to-weight they run right where they're suppose to.

I have to say that those times are very impressive..especially the trap speed. With that amount of weight and on street tires, that is moving..at least in my opinion..
Definitely, a nasty street car..

Too bad Dodge/Chrysler could not take that new Dodge Dart and have an option of the 392 Hemi motor...I would scoop that up in a heartbeat..

Nice kill. Challeng ran okay...

OP what was the 60' for the Challenger?

Thats not impressive after all the smack I have heard on here about how fast they are (DA considered). Especially that trap speed...

Impressed yet? 12.6@114 bone stock. And guess what it was racing....a 5.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUuA-l_fL_M

The DA was terrible. Hot and Humid as hell. the 60 ft was a 2.11. Its July in southeast Texas.

Transamcoupe98 says not impressive. You put 4 guys in your car that weigh 200 lbs and make a pass and then lets see how slow it is in this heat. Some of the people on here do not have a clue.

I knew I would beat him but that car is pretty respectable for bone stock down to the air filter.

The car is pricey of course which is a negative but it is a very nice car. The z06 Vettes weigh 3000lbs....same goes for them...put 1200 lbs in the passenger seat or behind it and it won't run a 12.50 in this air.

lets deal in reality not bench racing dreams.

Thats not impressive after all the smack I have heard on here about how fast they are (DA considered). Especially that trap speed...

:gtfo:

The DA was terrible. Hot and Humid as hell. the 60 ft was a 2.11. Its July in southeast Texas.

Transamcoupe98 says not impressive. You put 4 guys in your car that weigh 200 lbs and make a pass and then lets see how slow it is in this heat. Some of the people on here do not have a clue.

I knew I would beat him but that car is pretty respectable for bone stock down to the air filter.

The car is pricey of course which is a negative but it is a very nice car. The z06 Vettes weigh 3000lbs....same goes for them...put 1200 lbs in the passenger seat or behind it and it won't run a 12.50 in this air.

lets deal in reality not bench racing dreams.

Buddies stock auto 5.0 went 12.7@112 in this heat with a best of 2.0 60ft. It was 98* and da was 3200. Sadly no new challengers, 300's, chargers ever come out. One 300 srt comes out that's a 2010. Guy runs low 12's with tune, cold air, full exhaust, and 75 shot.

A Guy also comes to Friday nights meets with a new 300 srt. Said it cost him 56k fully loaded every option he could. Very nice car but couldn't pay 56k for it myself . That is his wife's car he has a new SS.

I think the new Charger/Chally is worth every penny. I wish i never would have got caught up with my camaro and just went and bought one. So now im rocking the v6 charger lol but hey 33mpg on the highway is pretty good.

Personaly I love the new challengers. I think they are very good looking cars and have a hefty motor with power to spare.. 12's for a car that heavy is very impressive and anyone that doesn't agree on that is a moron.. Price wise the SS camaro is a better buy but I think the new SRT8 challengers stock for stock outperforms the SS Camaros.. Then again for around the same money as a STR8 challenger I could get a 2013 GT500 which would rip the ass cheeks out of most pony cars stock for stock..

Personaly I love the new challengers. I think they are very good looking cars and have a hefty motor with power to spare.. 12's for a car that heavy is very impressive and anyone that doesn't agree on that is a moron.. Price wise the SS camaro is a better buy but I think the new SRT8 challengers stock for stock outperforms the SS Camaros.. Then again for around the same money as a STR8 challenger I could get a 2013 GT500 which would rip the ass cheeks out of most pony cars stock for stock..

Yea bro. Run 12.90s @ 113 for 50k. For ALLLLL the shit I have read in SRK specifically about the 392 and how fast it is etc etc I was expecting minimum 12.40-50's @ 116 ish. Im not "bashing" the 392, I'm just not impressed mostly considering the price tag. Now could the DA be hurting it, absolutely. Im checking the DA for that track for the past few days and Ill calculate.

Using the hottest part of the day with the highest amount of humidity recorded for the day and the average barometric pressure for the day, the DA was 2348. Corrected times for stock-mildly modified vehicles would be 12.545 @ 116.274 MPH. So the DA did mess the times up pretty good. Just not an impressive run...like my previous statement.

Using the hottest part of the day with the highest amount of humidity recorded for the day and the average barometric pressure for the day, the DA was 2348. Corrected times for stock-mildly modified vehicles would be 12.545 @ 116.274 MPH. So the DA did mess the times up pretty good. Just not an impressive run...like my previous statement.

Just give props dude. Common sense should have told you initially that we are dead middle in the summer and traps/ets aren't optimal this time a year. Take your car to the track and see how it runs compared to what it runs in good air and you'll probably be disappointed too.

Yea bro. Run 12.90s @ 113 for 50k. For ALLLLL the shit I have read in SRK specifically about the 392 and how fast it is etc etc I was expecting minimum 12.40-50's @ 116 ish. Im not "bashing" the 392, I'm just not impressed mostly considering the price tag. Now could the DA be hurting it, absolutely. Im checking the DA for that track for the past few days and Ill calculate.

That's not what your initial post said, bro.

That's not what your initial post said, bro.

Im saying it now...Besides I already proved myself wrong by lookin gup the DA and correcting the times. It ran what I was expecting them to run so I retract my statement. I simply said that wasnt a great run, not a huge deal. My mistake for not taking DA into account as much as I should have.

Im saying it now..

Great way to switch things up huh? :eyes:

Great way to switch things up huh? :eyes:

Who the hell are you anyway dude lol? I apologize man, your great explanation in all of your 4 word posts make for some good debates and valid points.

That pass sucked ass to show their true potential... Taking the DA into consideration it was about on par to what they should run.

I could never bring myself to pay that much though. I do enjoy driving my buddies 2012 RT though.... But I could only pull 1 car on my buddies 08 2WD TBSS, that hurt the owners feelings. LOL

That pass sucked ass to show their true potential... Taking the DA into consideration it was about on par to what they should run.

I could never bring myself to pay that much though. I do enjoy driving my buddies 2012 RT though.... But I could only pull 1 car on my buddies 08 2WD TBSS, that hurt the owners feelings. LOL

Yea the cars are fucking beautiful but I think they need a little more balls for the price tag. Im just now getting to know their aftermarket and its quite different than LS based. Expensive as well, damn near vette prices on some stuff.

Yea the cars are fucking beautiful but I think they need a little more balls for the price tag. Im just now getting to know their aftermarket and its quite different than LS based. Expensive as well, damn near vette prices on some stuff.

Gage isn't going to ever mod his I don't think... Nobody to tune it, simple bolt ons would be thousands, etc etc.. There is no after market for them, or at least his, I don't know about the 392.

I think the new Charger/Chally is worth every penny. I wish i never would have got caught up with my camaro and just went and bought one. So now im rocking the v6 charger lol but hey 33mpg on the highway is pretty good.

Drove the v6 charger when i rented one in Boston. Couldn't believe how good the gas mileage was and absolutely loved the car. A bit underpowered but still a great vehicle.

Props to Dodge on this one.

That pass sucked ass to show their true potential... Taking the DA into consideration it was about on par to what they should run.

I could never bring myself to pay that much though. I do enjoy driving my buddies 2012 RT though.... But I could only pull 1 car on my buddies 08 2WD TBSS, that hurt the owners feelings. LOL

lemons12---Your wrong. That was a decent pass with all factors considered. The post had nothing to do with potential. We drove 65 miles to the track pulled up to the line and thats what it ran. The DA was bad. Traction was the main issue on the factory 20" tires and also that car has a 3.0? gear in it. The R/T is not even close in performance to the SRT8 and about the price.......Its expensive .....but he wanted it and wrote a check for it. $50,500.00 out the door. The car was 40 something plus TTL. :chug:

lemons12---Your wrong. That was a decent pass with all factors considered. The post had nothing to do with potential. We drove 65 miles to the track pulled up to the line and thats what it ran. The DA was bad. Traction was the main issue on the factory 20" tires and also that car has a 3.0? gear in it. The R/T is not even close in performance to the SRT8 and about the price.......Its expensive .....but he wanted it and wrote a check for it. $50,500.00 out the door. The car was 40 something plus TTL. :chug:

:lol:

I'll agree with you Footlead, the R/t is nowhere close in performance to the 392. Im not going to start a debate on your thread about cost to performance but I guess thats where I was somewhat going with my comments from earlier. Perhaps Im jaded but the initial time was not impressive, that does not mean bad, just not impressive. I know alot of Mopar guys are on SRK so feel free to add input.

I hear ya on cost vs performance. I have a 02 LE SS Camaro and don't have half as much money in it as he does ..but that car cost somebody 34k new in 2001 and would run a 13.30 maybe.LOL The Z06 in 2002 would run 12.70 if you were lucky and weighed 3k and cost 47-50k so you have to factor in 10 plus years and technology.

I wouldn't pay 50k for it either but somebody always will. :usa:

You can always get a Neon and a Turbo and bolt-ons and run 11s easy. But its still a Neon.

"For ALLLLL the shit I have read in SRK specifically about the 392 and how fast it is etc etc I was expecting minimum 12.40-50's @ 116 ish"

"Corrected times for stock-mildly modified vehicles would be 12.545 @ 116.274 MPH. So the DA did mess the times up pretty good. Just not an impressive run...like my previous statement"


Now i dont know if that made sense to anyone else but it didnt make any to me. You were expecting them to run atleast a 12.4-12.5 at 116ish but when you corrected the DA it actually did but again your not impressed. Again i give major credit to the new SRT line up to run a trap speed of 113mph is impressive for a luxury sedan thats fully loaded weighing in at 4200+lbs.

"For ALLLLL the shit I have read in SRK specifically about the 392 and how fast it is etc etc I was expecting minimum 12.40-50's @ 116 ish"

"Corrected times for stock-mildly modified vehicles would be 12.545 @ 116.274 MPH. So the DA did mess the times up pretty good. Just not an impressive run...like my previous statement"


Now i dont know if that made sense to anyone else but it didnt make any to me. You were expecting them to run atleast a 12.4-12.5 at 116ish but when you corrected the DA it actually did but again your not impressed. Again i give major credit to the new SRT line up to run a trap speed of 113mph is impressive for a luxury sedan thats fully loaded weighing in at 4200+lbs.


Im sorry if it doesn't make sense to you. I will dumb it down a little...The Dodge SRT8 Challenger that made a pass at the Houston track in Texas in the United States of America that ran a 12.90 pass @ 113 was not a very good run. After I further investigated the reason for a slower than usual run, I came to the conclusion that the DA, (if you need an explanation I will elaborate) was the sole culprit of the slower than anticipated pass at the track. I then stated and I quote "So the DA did mess the times up pretty good. Just not an impressive run". Even with the corrected times, it ran what it is supposed to and it just doesn't impress me that it runs what its supposed to. I guess this is purely subjective and it plays into cost vs performance for me. Also, the last time I checked the Dodge Challenger was not a luxury sedan or am I wrong about that as well? I would assume you meant to say Charger but we cannot use common sense on here so I will not assume anything. Lol I swear you guys can't look further into a post than whats stated and just exploit it to make a few people laugh.

Im sorry if it doesn't make sense to you. I will dumb it down a little...The Dodge SRT8 Challenger that made a pass at the Houston track in Texas in the United States of America that ran a 12.90 pass @ 113 was not a very good run. After I further investigated the reason for a slower than usual run, I came to the conclusion that the DA, (if you need an explanation I will elaborate) was the sole culprit of the slower than anticipated pass at the track. I then stated and I quote "So the DA did mess the times up pretty good. Just not an impressive run". Even with the corrected times, it ran what it is supposed to and it just doesn't impress me that it runs what its supposed to. I guess this is purely subjective and it plays into cost vs performance for me. Also, the last time I checked the Dodge Challenger was not a luxury sedan or am I wrong about that as well? I would assume you meant to say Charger but we cannot use common sense on here so I will not assume anything. Lol I swear you guys can't look further into a post than whats stated and just exploit it to make a few people laugh.

You and your tarted ass posts. :lol: :eyes:

It was my mistake for stating it was a luxury sedan. Your basically responding back to what i copied and pasted above so your responding to your own response and trying to explain what you meant by your prior post when you werent being very specific to begin with, yes were not all educated people like you are nor do we have common sense like you do. It still ran a very good time regardless of what you may think. The price of the car is really always going to be an issue, you can drive a 150k car and have a 5-10-15k car be faster or slower or just the same. In the end if someone wants to drive a challenger because it looks nice and is plenty fast then its there preference but to say its not impressive with corrected times putting it around 116mph, lol.

You and your tarted ass posts. :lol: :eyes:

Case in point. I don't think Ive ever seen you make a relevant post...anywhere? You are about as beneficial to LS1tech as "banggood" is a sponsor.

Case in point. I don't think Ive ever seen you make a relevant post...anywhere? You are about as beneficial to LS1tech as "banggood" is a sponsor.

No, your stupidity is shining like a fluorescent light in this thread. Keep on digging yourself...its entertaining really. :)

lemons12---Your wrong. That was a decent pass with all factors considered. The post had nothing to do with potential. We drove 65 miles to the track pulled up to the line and thats what it ran. The DA was bad. Traction was the main issue on the factory 20" tires and also that car has a 3.0? gear in it. The R/T is not even close in performance to the SRT8 and about the price.......Its expensive .....but he wanted it and wrote a check for it. $50,500.00 out the door. The car was 40 something plus TTL. :chug:

Is there anything in my post you comprehended? I'm going to go with, "Hell no, absolutely nothing" judging by your post you made.

Case in point. I don't think Ive ever seen you make a relevant post...anywhere? You are about as beneficial to LS1tech as "banggood" is a sponsor.

fuck off

redfire is awesome.

I hear ya on cost vs performance. I have a 02 LE SS Camaro and don't have half as much money in it as he does ..but that car cost somebody 34k new in 2001 and would run a 13.30 maybe.LOL The Z06 in 2002 would run 12.70 if you were lucky and weighed 3k and cost 47-50k so you have to factor in 10 plus years and technology.

I wouldn't pay 50k for it either but somebody always will. :usa:

You can always get a Neon and a Turbo and bolt-ons and run 11s easy. But its still a Neon.

Just like a 2002 camaro is still a 4th gen.


It amazes me the amount of ricers on ls1tech nowadays comparing pricing and shit. You guys are worse than honda guys...

LOL DUDE I GOT A 1464 CAMARO COST ME 4K AND I PUT LIKE 5K INTO AND RUN 11s. U GOT DAT NEW 50k CAR AND RUN 12s LOLOLOLOLOLOL WOEND BITCH.

It's like you guys forget that not everyone wants a gutted down old piece of shit just to go fast.

Just like a 2002 camaro is still a 4th gen.


It amazes me the amount of ricers on ls1tech nowadays comparing pricing and shit. You guys are worse than honda guys...

LOL DUDE I GOT A 1464 CAMARO COST ME 4K AND I PUT LIKE 5K INTO AND RUN 11s. U GOT DAT NEW 50k CAR AND RUN 12s LOLOLOLOLOLOL WOEND BITCH.

It's like you guys forget that not everyone wants a gutted down old piece of shit just to go fast.

This dude speaks the truth!

Just like a 2002 camaro is still a 4th gen.


It amazes me the amount of ricers on ls1tech nowadays comparing pricing and shit. You guys are worse than honda guys...

LOL DUDE I GOT A 1464 CAMARO COST ME 4K AND I PUT LIKE 5K INTO AND RUN 11s. U GOT DAT NEW 50k CAR AND RUN 12s LOLOLOLOLOLOL WOEND BITCH.

It's like you guys forget that not everyone wants a gutted down old piece of shit just to go fast.

Strong this, if this was the case no one would even want to buy new cars. Because with 50k they can build a rocket ship.

I see that I'm on the wrong side of this one but I think they're too expensive for the performance you get. A co-worker has the 2011 and it beautiful but he can't stay close to my stockish Z.

The best looking of the retro pony cars. Too fat and slow for me. Harder to mod, hardly anyone tunes them. Not a car for the average guy.

I know a guy with a 2010 Charger SRT8 with a Blower,tune and converter its gone 10.7 at 130 full weight.

4 doors of Fury:)

Using the hottest part of the day with the highest amount of humidity recorded for the day and the average barometric pressure for the day, the DA was 2348. Corrected times for stock-mildly modified vehicles would be 12.545 @ 116.274 MPH. So the DA did mess the times up pretty good. Just not an impressive run...like my previous statement.

In good air I trap 129-130mph on the motor. In the heat and humidity we've had the past few weeks down here I have been running 126-128mph..

Was 2SSARME dogging me or was he dogging my 4th Gen LE?? I didnt get it?? Did he actually compare a Camaro to a Neon?

He was dogging me! I knew it! I have painful buttocks!

This isnt impressive but a 580hp(110 more) ZL1 that weighs the SAME runs about the same times. Not one BONE STOCK ZL1 has ran 11's yet. Couple of hero runs of 12.1-12.2. Most are around mid-high 12's @ 114-116mph. Now thats pathetic.

shit lightnings with a tune/intake have ran that fast.... and they are 5000 lbs...


dodge cars are so heavy they need to be called trucks... or Rosie O'Donnells

fuck off

redfire is awesome.

So does banggood ! Heads up , big timer banggood is here !

This isnt impressive but a 580hp(110 more) ZL1 that weighs the SAME runs about the same times. Not one BONE STOCK ZL1 has ran 11's yet. Couple of hero runs of 12.1-12.2. Most are around mid-high 12's @ 114-116mph. Now thats pathetic.

Couldnt agree more...

So does banggood ! Heads up , big timer banggood is here !

:rotflmao:

This isnt impressive but a 580hp(110 more) ZL1 that weighs the SAME runs about the same times. Not one BONE STOCK ZL1 has ran 11's yet. Couple of hero runs of 12.1-12.2. Most are around mid-high 12's @ 114-116mph. Now thats pathetic.

I still cant figure this out im honestly at a loss lol. How can a 470hp N/A 392 Challenger run low 12's bone stock at 111-115 yet a 580hp ZL1 can only run mid to high 12's @114-117. Makes no sense to me. A few bolt ons and the 392 will be ahead if not next to the ZL1 from a roll

I still cant figure this out im honestly at a loss lol. How can a 470hp N/A 392 Challenger run low 12's bone stock at 111-115 yet a 580hp ZL1 can only run mid to high 12's @114-117. Makes no sense to me. A few bolt ons and the 392 will be ahead if not next to the ZL1 from a roll

Youre right, but one pulley swap in the ZL1 and its game over for a while. The ZL1 is a joke right out of the gate, but it does have mod potential with that blower. Headers, meth, ported blower, pulley, done. Still, not worth the price tag IMO. I had a 5th gen and hated it, i sold it within 4 months of having it. Challenger looks better than the standard 5th gen but its close between it and the ZL1.

Youre right, but one pulley swap in the ZL1 and its game over for a while. The ZL1 is a joke right out of the gate, but it does have mod potential with that blower. Headers, meth, ported blower, pulley, done. Still, not worth the price tag IMO. I had a 5th gen and hated it, i sold it within 4 months of having it. Challenger looks better than the standard 5th gen but its close between it and the ZL1.

True but no way in hell should a ZL1 have to be pullied/tuned to take out a mild bolt on NA 392. That would be a very hallow victory and me myself would be ashamed to admit.

As for modded ZL1's theyre having severe cooling/heat soak issues. Hell even stock ones arent doing all that great. Erik @ Torq pullied his with a aftermarket water pump and heat exchanger and the car couldnt even finish a couple laps at homestead raceway due to heat soak. Id imagine after a couple pulls on the highway all the hp gained would go down the drain due to heat soak.

Im very anxious to see what this small lightweight Cuda with a blown 6.2 is gonna be about. Ford set the bar so damn high with the GT500 im not sure if theyll be able to even match it but im pretty certain the ZL1 is well within reach...

There have been no "hero runs" in the zl1. For that we will have to wait for winter at ATCO. Besides the magazine drivers can't drive themselves out of a parking garage much less down a track.

Buddy of mine drove a ZL1 to 12.07@117 then got her into the 11s a week later with only drag radials.

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439380

With vid as well.

Ps that 12.02@117 was at 1900' DA which corrects down to a 11.7@119. And citing my source:

http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-altitude-calculator.php?elevationcorrect=1865&et=12.02&mph=117&correctetmph=Correct+ET+and+MPH

Like i said no bone stock ZL1 has ran 11's yet. Theyre close but so are 392's with the same weight and 110 less hp. Close isnt good enough for that car and its hype IMO

I still cant figure this out im honestly at a loss lol. How can a 470hp N/A 392 Challenger run low 12's bone stock at 111-115 yet a 580hp ZL1 can only run mid to high 12's @114-117. Makes no sense to me. A few bolt ons and the 392 will be ahead if not next to the ZL1 from a roll
Yeah, the ZL1 has definitely been a bit of a downer

Like i said no bone stock ZL1 has ran 11's yet. Theyre close but so are 392's with the same weight and 110 less hp. Close isnt good enough for that car and its hype IMO
Unfortunately the ZL1 was more built for the twisties where it would leave the Challenger in the dust. Unfortunately that excuse still cannot compensate for the 110hp difference and similar weights

Obviously most people complaining about price in here aren't the ZL1's target market.

Like i said no bone stock ZL1 has ran 11's yet. Theyre close but so are 392's with the same weight and 110 less hp. Close isnt good enough for that car and its hype IMO

Don't you worry, he will be there directly, bone stock.

And did you miss the corrected times?

11.75@119 is a shit ton faster than a 12.5@115.

I'm thinking a CTS-V is more what I would consider over the ZL1. If I'm going to buy a heavy pig of a car that is decently fast, I'm going to get 4 doors and some comfort.

ZL1 blowsss

There have been no "hero runs" in the zl1. For that we will have to wait for winter at ATCO. Besides the magazine drivers can't drive themselves out of a parking garage much less down a track.

Buddy of mine drove a ZL1 to 12.07@117 then got her into the 11s a week later with only drag radials.

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439380

With vid as well.

Ps that 12.02@117 was at 1900' DA which corrects down to a 11.7@119. And citing my source:

http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-altitude-calculator.php?elevationcorrect=1865&et=12.02&mph=117&correctetmph=Correct+ET+and+MPH

And a 392 went 12.0@115 with radials only.....thats just to close for me. And I actually like the ZL1

Actually a 392 has hit 11.9 in the 1/4. Look up lxmodguy on lxforums

I was lucky and got to drive one before i sold it. The problem with the ZL1 is that once it hits 3k rpms there is very little traction in 2nd gear and forget 1st. This car needs drag radials or drag tires to get its best potential. I cant see people getting good E.T's with the tires it comes with no matter how good those are. This isnt like a slight chirp or anything the back end kicks out and does it VERY quickly. I thought it was going to be a kick out like my old 01 Z28 but the way the ZL1 kicked out makes my 01 feel progressive and predictable. I wish i was able to drive it more and higher speeds but thats pretty much all i got out of it in the short time in it.

Actually a 392 has hit 11.9 in the 1/4. Look up lxmodguy on lxforums

This guy? Looks like he has some Hoosiers on the back even...

My ride is a 2011 Challenger 392. It has a couple of simple mods exhaust, cold air intake, and a 3000 stall. She tips in at about 4500lbs with the driver and runs 11.9@114 on the factory tune. I think Dodge really got it right with the 2011 Challengers, not only was the 6.4 exactly what they needed to get this heavy car down the track, but they did the suspension right to make it hook up. Even on the factory F1 Goodyears the car was able to put down an outstanding 12.38@112.

Read more: http://rides.hotrod.com/ride/1208397/lxmodguy/2011/dodge/challenger/#ixzz20Fiydtm9

Brian has also gone 11s in his modded 392 so I'm not sure why anyone would argue a modded one hasn't gone 11s....but bone stock it hasn't happened yet.

My God..........if 2,000-2,500 DA is THAT BAD (based on number of posts referencing it) then please never move to Arizona. +2,000 DA is our normal average "good racing day" DA in the winter. Anything near 0-1,000 and it usually has to be 40*F out with a track made of ice.

Yes, in Tucson it is typically over 4000 at all times. For this reason, all my fast cars use FI.

Don't you worry, he will be there directly, bone stock.

And did you miss the corrected times?

11.75@119 is a shit ton faster than a 12.5@115.

Sorry i dont race corrected times. It runs what it runs...

This is the thing tho. Its pathetic that corrected times and hero runs in winter at ATCO are needed to achieve times that the car be turning out right now in the middle of summer...

Bottom line, for a 580hp car its a turd in stock form and VERY under engineered.

Sorry i dont race corrected times. It runs what it runs...

This is the thing tho. Its pathetic that corrected times and hero runs in winter at ATCO are needed to achieve times that the car be turning out right now in the middle of summer...

Bottom line, for a 580hp car its a turd in stock form and VERY under engineered.

Ok then go take a 392 and run it against a stage 2 cobalt as turbo in Denver. When the cobalt turns in a 13 flat don't be too pissed when you run a 14.5. That's the importance of DA. Believing anything less is simply sticking your head in the sand. I suppose some still believe that the earth is flat too....:rolleyes:

Yea sure it runs what it runs so its OBVIOUSLY slower than a cobalt :rolleyes:

My God..........if 2,000-2,500 DA is THAT BAD (based on number of posts referencing it) then please never move to Arizona. +2,000 DA is our normal average "good racing day" DA in the winter. Anything near 0-1,000 and it usually has to be 40*F out with a track made of ice.

Anything above 2000 and I won't waste my money to go to the track. No way would I live somewhere where the DA was high all the time.

Anything above 2000 and I won't waste my money to go to the track. No way would I live somewhere where the DA was high all the time.

I felt the same way when I was N/A. I was reading all the fast times people were running with their camaros and here I was with cam/headers/intake/exhaust/tune running low 13s. I got beat by an SRT-4 at the track. Fixed that with a turbo. Then I bought an SRT-4, modded the crap out of it too and it's faster than almost anything on the road here.

You do get to drive your car all year round here though.

I felt the same way when I was N/A. I was reading all the fast times people were running with their camaros and here I was with cam/headers/intake/exhaust/tune running low 13s. I got beat by an SRT-4 at the track. Fixed that with a turbo. Then I bought an SRT-4, modded the crap out of it too and it's faster than almost anything on the road here.

You do get to drive your car all year round here though.

I've heard it the other way with F/I though too. Buddy with fully built Lightning was always bitching about IAT-2s and how his combo sucks when its hot. Had every cooling mod short of meth for it. Heat sucks. High DA sucks. ATCO times making everyone think Car "X" does "X" everywhere sucks.

Whatcha gonna do.......

Those kind of blowers suck in the heat (just like the ZL1), they have no cooling capacity. With a turbo or vortech type unit with a big front mount intercooler, you can keep things under control.

I felt the same way when I was N/A. I was reading all the fast times people were running with their camaros and here I was with cam/headers/intake/exhaust/tune running low 13s. I got beat by an SRT-4 at the track. Fixed that with a turbo. Then I bought an SRT-4, modded the crap out of it too and it's faster than almost anything on the road here.

You do get to drive your car all year round here though.

That's true, I would have to have FI to live somewhere like that.

I can still drive my car all year... It's just not much fun. Lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j66bNOS9pHk

This guy? Looks like he has some Hoosiers on the back even...



Brian has also gone 11s in his modded 392 so I'm not sure why anyone would argue a modded one hasn't gone 11s....but bone stock it hasn't happened yet.

Yea I agree. I posted that because someone else was saying just with tires a ZL1 was in the 11's....so is a 392.

That's true, I would have to have FI to live somewhere like that.

I can still drive my car all year... It's just not much fun. Lol


Wow! I wouldn't want to drive my car in that. I'd be in the 4x4 F150...

Yea I agree. I posted that because someone else was saying just with tires a ZL1 was in the 11's....so is a 392.

Gotcha... I think I confused myself then. :)


Wow! I wouldn't want to drive my car in that. I'd be in the 4x4 F150...

You get used to it after a while.... I've made the hour drive to work since 99 now... only used the Trailblazer when the snow is too deep (The front end starts plowing it around the 3 inch mark and it just won't go anywhere if the snow packs), otherwise a good set of tires and 50lb blocks behind each of the front seats and it's been a champ every winter.

Coolaid and Enginjoe===Its a little bit more HUMID in Houston than anywhere in Arizona. We are at sea level but the Humidity kills us except on a few weeks in the spring and fall when a front comes and drives the Humidity out and cooler temps. Those are the best Track nights!! Thats why NHRA comes in the spring and fall and sometimes they get lucky and have perfect conditions.....does not ever happen in June-August==Never unfortunately. But hey this is where all the jobs and money are.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Im sorry if it doesn't make sense to you. I will dumb it down a little...The Dodge SRT8 Challenger that made a pass at the Houston track in Texas in the United States of America that ran a 12.90 pass @ 113 was not a very good run. After I further investigated the reason for a slower than usual run, I came to the conclusion that the DA, (if you need an explanation I will elaborate) was the sole culprit of the slower than anticipated pass at the track. I then stated and I quote "So the DA did mess the times up pretty good. Just not an impressive run". Even with the corrected times, it ran what it is supposed to and it just doesn't impress me that it runs what its supposed to. I guess this is purely subjective and it plays into cost vs performance for me. Also, the last time I checked the Dodge Challenger was not a luxury sedan or am I wrong about that as well? I would assume you meant to say Charger but we cannot use common sense on here so I will not assume anything. Lol I swear you guys can't look further into a post than whats stated and just exploit it to make a few people laugh.


The sad thing is that he probably couldn't drive his poor mans zo6 bone stock to a win against a 4 door charger. Ahhh technology, it's great isn't it? Lmfao

You mad bro? :)

Here are some questions for thought.

When someone purchases a new car, should the performance match the price?

My answer is yes. For instance, I test drove a 2008 911 Carrera 4S a couple of months ago. The dealership was asking $66k. Performance figures stand as 3.8l flat 6, 355 hp, 295 lb-ft, and a weight of 3252 lbs respectively. Now my current car at the time was my E46 M3 with some light bolt ons. Still a relatively quick car. Now when I test drive a car, power is not everything. I am concerned with look, feel, driving dynamics, and how much of a kick in the ass will this thing deliver. For $66k I will tell you, this car did not deliver. It had the driving dynamics, it had the look and the feel. However, it lacked the kick in the ass driving enthusiasm or power for a $66k car. Now these days a 415 hp older gen 997 GT3 with 415 hp sells for $70k or so with proper documentation. To me that car is worth twice the amount of what this Carrera 4S is going for. The Carrera 4S is not all about power but an overall package. However, when I put my foot down I want to feel that kick in the ass so that way everytime I want to smile. I can and will. Now, next question.

If a car's performance and price match but it lacks in other areas, does that justify the price? Another example is. The 392 makes 470HP/470ft-lbs respectively but is only capable of mid 12's on a good day then wouldn't that mean something is wrong? Is there not something wrong with the 5th Gen Camaro's? Here's let's simplify the biggest problem area the Camaro and Challenger both have that the new 5.0 does not.

Weight and driving dynamics. Simple as that. They are over weight pigs and the fact that GM and Dodge are trying to disguise their weight by adding more power is not cutting it. Not when the national 1/4 mile averages are mid 12's at 112-117 mph which are for both the ZL1 and 392 SRT-8. Now I am not trying to bash either car. To each their own. But when you look at cars like the E60 M5, C63 AMG, the BMW M3 sedan. All pretty hefty cars. With the exception of the M5 all within the price range of the 392 but all are damn near 20 hp or more, less than the SS and 392. And the torque is even more ridiculous. The mercedes pumps out 430 tq and the M3 sedan a measly 295 ft-lbs. Putting these numbers into retrospect really makes the 470hp/470ft-lb fire breathing 392 seem like well. A few pennies short of a dollar.

GM and Dodge need to cut the weight of both their cars in order for them to be better. Adding hp is not doing the trick. Put these cars on diets. When your suspension and engine dynamics are not coinciding you need to develop a new plan and start from scratch. These cars should not hinder around the low 13's high 12's bracket. Low 13's more aimed towards the SS and even the older Challenger SRT-8. It is highly out of character to make so much power (ZL1) and still run in the mid 12's range. Definitely reminds me of when the GT500 first came out and struggled with traps above 112-114 mph. What is going on with all that power? Where is it going?

Some more issues are aerodynamics. I know within the last few years the costs for research and development have been cut from both companies. This I know. However, they need to add more emphasis on aerodynamics. In fact all the American automobile manufacturers do. To include Ford with the new Mustang.

Once they figure all this out and add it all up will they begin to devolop great cars. Until then, their dynamics are screwed as well as the end product as it will just continue to suck as it does now. Think beyond the electronics and controls. But the BMW M5 F10 is a heavy car. Produces 560 hp and 510 ft-lbs of torque while moving a classy douche object inside who has no clue what the M badge stands for, at a brisk 11 second pace with no problem. Why can't the ZL1 do this? Driving dynamics. They need to figure that out then bring America a real product.

It's what made the Ford GT great, the classic Z06 and newer Z06 both C5 and C6, the new Mustang's dynamics have improved dramatically and will continue over the next 15 years. I hope to see changes in American cars so they can be more competitive to their more expensive counterparts. Not just in terms of horsepower but in overall package. Thinking back to the 911, I'd still rather have a 911 that cannot kick me in the ass then drive a new SS or Challenger that can only kick me in the ass for twice as less. It's all about the overall package.

^that's a lot of words to write at 8am

^that's a lot of words to write at 8am

I'm not in the US at the moment. I did this last night around midnight.

I'd have two or three faster cars for the price of one of them foreign things.

The sad thing is that he probably couldn't drive his poor mans zo6 bone stock to a win against a 4 door charger. Ahhh technology, it's great isn't it? Lmfao

You mad bro? :)

Dude why are you talking?...I'll enjoy my poor mans Z06. Ill post a few pics, vids, and track times in a few weeks so you can go jerk off to them in aspirations of getting my level.

There have been no "hero runs" in the zl1. For that we will have to wait for winter at ATCO. Besides the magazine drivers can't drive themselves out of a parking garage much less down a track.

Buddy of mine drove a ZL1 to 12.07@117 then got her into the 11s a week later with only drag radials.

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439380

With vid as well.

Ps that 12.02@117 was at 1900' DA which corrects down to a 11.7@119. And citing my source:

http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-altitude-calculator.php?elevationcorrect=1865&et=12.02&mph=117&correctetmph=Correct+ET+and+MPH

I'm pretty sure the ZL1 is supercharged so you can't really use the N/A correction.

My God..........if 2,000-2,500 DA is THAT BAD (based on number of posts referencing it) then please never move to Arizona. +2,000 DA is our normal average "good racing day" DA in the winter. Anything near 0-1,000 and it usually has to be 40*F out with a track made of ice.

THIS. I get mixed emotions (pissed and sad) every time I hear someone bitch about DA in the 2,000-3,000 range. I was racing at my local track this last Friday night and my DA was +7600. We are LUCKY if we are under 5000 in the summer and under 4000 in the spring. Fuck elevation. lol

http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-altitude-calculator.php?temperature=93.0&rh=19&altset=29.76&elevation=4226&track=142&month=8&day=10&year=2012&time=5:53%20PM

it has been realized that the zl1 can severely suffer from heat soak.

i haven't been impressed with the zl1 yet. i was expecting a 120 mph car. so far they are from 111-117 depending on the amount of heat soak. the computer starts pulling timing quite early and ends up pulling a total of 6 degrees out. looks like GM released another car full of bullshit tuning like the l99's.