Street Racing & Kill Stories - Me vs Turbo Civic

My car, mods in sig vs Turbo Civic. He just mumbled single cam and 10psi so obviously that was a load of shit so I really don't know the specs. He did say it had a PT6262 turbo though (which seems legit cause thats a good size turbo for that car), so who knows. Spinning ain't winning.

I let up for traffic at the end there and we did another roll of about 60 but I cant get it to upload. Same result, got to about my bumper or my door before he shut down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3JTCqt8gFw
40-125ish He honked, video starts on the second honk.

lol whyd you let off brah?

All seriousness my buddies building a 500whp sohc setup right now, you never know with hondas.

That was a 40 or 20?

you better hope that kid doesn't learn how to break boost... He was reeling you in pretty quick...

He just mumbled single cam and 10psi so obviously that was a load of shit so I really don't know the specs.

Why is that a load of shit? You have a freakin land yacht compared to him, an easy ~1000-1200lbs, so any decent power and he could easily do what he did. 10 psi sounds low but if it's a big turbo (for the motor) than it's moving some air. I think this sounds/looks reasonable.


Note: I don't know shit about Hondas.

Nice work. Sounds like he has some traction issues lol

Why is that a load of shit? You have a freakin land yacht compared to him, an easy ~1000-1200lbs, so any decent power and he could easily do what he did. 10 psi sounds low but if it's a big turbo (for the motor) than it's moving some air. I think this sounds/looks reasonable.


Note: I don't know shit about Hondas.


Your right, you don't. Do some research on what a single cam on 10psi makes/runs and get back to me.

you better hope that kid doesn't learn how to break boost... He was reeling you in pretty quick...

yea cause brake boosting would make it blow the tires off less. good call.

Your right, you don't. Do some research on what a single cam on 10psi makes/runs and get back to me.

No. You have no idea what YOU are talking about. He is correct a bigger turbo will move more air at 10 psi. My buddy tuned and h2b crx that made high 4's on 10 psi. How? Giant turbo. A stock motor sohc will make mid 2's. After that it needs some sort of piston and rod combo. After piston and rod combo its good till about 5xxwhp with the proper supporting mods. Civic with some tires will decimate you. IMO that car is making low 3's, probably a stock b-series on 10psi thats what my friends stock b16 made on 10psi.

Another useless Honda

Nice, lucky he didn't hook though he was coming back like a freight train haha!

He was certainly coming back on me, no doubt about that. Never said he wasn't? Sorry next time I'll buy some tires for him first and then plow into the back of the vehicle in front of me so he can get the W. My bad guys. I clearly wasn't thinking.

No. You have no idea what YOU are talking about. He is correct a bigger turbo will move more air at 10 psi. My buddy tuned and h2b crx that made high 4's on 10 psi. How? Giant turbo. A stock motor sohc will make mid 2's. After that it needs some sort of piston and rod combo. After piston and rod combo its good till about 5xxwhp with the proper supporting mods. Civic with some tires will decimate you. IMO that car is making low 3's, probably a stock b-series on 10psi thats what my friends stock b16 made on 10psi.

Let me explain myself a little bit better. When he was asked about his mods he said......ahhhh......single cam. Then how much boost he said.....ahhhh.....10psi. Thats more the reason I was referring to his BS. Now my honda friends are telling me even with a 6262 a single cam isn't making more than 300whp. That car (full weight, had a full interior and a roll bar/cage thing) isn't pulling like that with 300whp. I have raced many 300whp hondas that weren't gutted out and the results were not in their favor. It could have been a single cam with more than 10 psi, OR some sort of B or H series with 10psi, but it didn't have a single cam and 10psi. Sorry.

Your right, you don't. Do some research on what a single cam on 10psi makes/runs and get back to me.

LMFAO!!!! wow are you serious??? I do believe he even let out a couple times in the video and still came right up next to you like nothing......smdh at other ppls children

What kind of tires was he on? I ran a turbo Honda recently that made 467 whp, but he was on street tires and couldn't hook to save it's life. Never started pulling back, even though it had the power to murder me.

At the end of the day, you could have the fastest civic in America, and you'd still be fucking gay for driving a civic.

You can put perfume on shit but it's still shit.

Let me explain myself a little bit better. When he was asked about his mods he said......ahhhh......single cam. Then how much boost he said.....ahhhh.....10psi. Thats more the reason I was referring to his BS. Now my honda friends are telling me even with a 6262 a single cam isn't making more than 300whp. That car (full weight, had a full interior and a roll bar/cage thing) isn't pulling like that with 300whp. I have raced many 300whp hondas that weren't gutted out and the results were not in their favor. It could have been a single cam with more than 10 psi, OR some sort of B or H series with 10psi, but it didn't have a single cam and 10psi. Sorry.

Did you not read what i wrote? I was just explaining what it could and counldn't be. Since you don't know about hondas. My buddies k24 accord on 8psi yanked the hell out of a full bolt on and tuned ls2 gto, his car made 340, in a heavy ass fully optional accord with a a 220lb passanger and 200lb driver. Believe me that civic does not need more than low 3's to beat you. The turbo b16 i used as an example would run neck and neck with a cobra that made low 4's with pulley catbak intake and a tune. low 3's is more than enough in a civic.

lol

here's an almighty k24 turbo car that said it was going to yank me (i was cam only)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFR_vQG0iQc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN0rQwOitX0

lol

here's an almighty k24 turbo car that said it was going to yank me (i was cam only)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFR_vQG0iQc

Heres a piston and rod k20 on 18psi vs a build motor maggie 5th gen.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=3418269730399

fkn lol spun 2 whole gears with a passenger and the 5th gen could only muster up 2 cars while the civic was spinning.


See how stupid you look?

That k24 must have been on 4psi and untuned. Stock motor they are capable of making 6s.

I disagree. A full weight civic isn't pulling like that with 300whp. MAYBE 350whp. Like I said I have raced plenty of civic's integras with 300whp and NONE of them have pulled like that. I could see it being pretty even with 300whp but not when its pulling like that. Im betting that car weighs about 1k less than mine and if it makes 100 less whp that doesn't equal a huge pull.

Did you not read what i wrote? I was just explaining what it could and counldn't be. Since you don't know about hondas. My buddies k24 accord on 8psi yanked the hell out of a full bolt on and tuned ls2 gto, his car made 340, in a heavy ass fully optional accord with a a 220lb passanger and 200lb driver. Believe me that civic does not need more than low 3's to beat you. The turbo b16 i used as an example would run neck and neck with a cobra that made low 4's with pulley catbak intake and a tune. low 3's is more than enough in a civic.

Who cares whats in it. Its slow

Heres a piston and rod k20 on 18psi vs a build motor maggie 5th gen.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=3418269730399

fkn lol spun 2 whole gears with a passenger and the 5th gen could only muster up 2 cars while the civic was spinning.


See how stupid you look?

That k24 must have been on 4psi and untuned. Stock motor they are capable of making 6s.


mmmm wut?


A couple things to realize:

1) civic has 646whp and weighs a lot less
2) Fbook claims built motor and maggie, yet states 325 drag radials. 325 don't fit on any camaro, which leads me to believe the honda owner doesn't even what actual mods the 5th gen has.
3) If it is supercharged, to get walked like that by a 646whp civic it probably only has a maggie and runs 6-8psi meaning it is probably 500rwhp...
4) I don't really give a fuck about someone elses 5th gen. You can show me 500 slow 5th gens, because I know most of them are slow, but please bring me a 600whp civic that will do that to me.
5) xoxo

I disagree. A full weight civic isn't pulling like that with 300whp. MAYBE 350whp. Like I said I have raced plenty of civic's integras with 300whp and NONE of them have pulled like that. I could see it being pretty even with 300whp but not when its pulling like that. Im betting that car weighs about 1k less than mine and if it makes 100 less whp that doesn't equal a huge pull.

Like you previously stated you don't know anything about civics. A low 3's civic is a 115-120 mph car depending what chassis its in. What does your bolt on gto trap? I dont see whats not to believe he weighs a good 1000lbs+ less than you and makes 90whp less.


Who cares whats in it. Its slow

I dont.

What kind of tires was he on? I ran a turbo Honda recently that made 467 whp, but he was on street tires and couldn't hook to save it's life. Never started pulling back, even though it had the power to murder me.

Some awful street tires. Glad it did too otherwise I would have been beat bad. They looke like some cheap walmart brand or something and they werent wider than a 205 if that. But thats not really my problem haha.

Another useless Honda

Who cares whats in it. Its slow

You're onto something...

Like you previously stated you don't know anything about civics. A low 3's civic is a 115-120 mph car depending what chassis its in. What does your bolt on gto trap? I dont see whats not to believe he weighs a good 1000lbs+ less than you and makes 90whp less.




I dont.

You really think a full weight civic with 300whp is a 120mph car? In a gutted CRX maybe. Dude, you can get your panties in a bundle all you want, maybe I touched some previous import nerve you must have, sorry.

You really think a full weight civic with 300whp is a 120mph car? In a gutted CRX maybe. Dude, you can get your panties in a bundle all you want, maybe I touched some previous import nerve you must have, sorry.

lol typical honda owners... think they have fast cars and the ones that do can't even hook them and have to go from a 120mph roll.

LMFAO!!!! wow are you serious??? I do believe he even let out a couple times in the video and still came right up next to you like nothing......smdh at other ppls children

Your a special kind of stupid aren't you? I don't see where he was letting off. He was shifting, which if you didn't know, causes a loss of boost pressure and it needs to be built back up. Thats how that works. So that "whooshing" sound you hear goes away between shifts. Now you know. Also what does that have to do with a single cam on 10psi?

mmmm wut?


A couple things to realize:

1) civic has 646whp and weighs a lot less
2) Fbook claims built motor and maggie, yet states 325 drag radials. 325 don't fit on any camaro, which leads me to believe the honda owner doesn't even what actual mods the 5th gen has.
3) If it is supercharged, to get walked like that by a 646whp civic it probably only has a maggie and runs 6-8psi meaning it is probably 500rwhp...
4) I don't really give a fuck about someone elses 5th gen. You can show me 500 slow 5th gens, because I know most of them are slow, but please bring me a 600whp civic that will do that to me.
5) xoxo

lolumad

Simple built motor maggie 5th gen getting the bus by a civic. Owner of the camaro told him outright "the cars built im not going to waste my time on a civic if its not making power" we told him the power the civic had, he accepted and got yanked. Him on ccws and skinnys up front ready to go. Like they say run what you brung, civic was the fastest car out there that night. Why share a video if you get mad when someone else shares a video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXPEXCim6eM


The civic on the first night it was out stopped the pull on a 137mph GTR from the GTRs roll. Just to give you an idea of what the civic traps all on stock sleeves and 1998cc of fury. Cars now maxing out the turbo and making low 7s. still waiting for 5th gen to step up.

lol typical honda owners... think they have fast cars and the ones that do can't even hook them and have to go from a 120mph roll.

Right? So many hondas are setup so poorly its easy to pick out a race in a parking lot. 9 times out of 10, its not going to make enough power to be fast enough, or its going to be on some shit tire and make too much power, hence, what happened here.

Right? So many hondas are setup so poorly its easy to pick out a race in a parking lot. 9 times out of 10, its not going to make enough power to be fast enough, or its going to be on some shit tire and make too much power, hence, what happened here.

You are completely right. Literally 90% are set up like dog shit. Honestly the group of people i know are the only ones who have there cars setup somewhat proper.

lolumad

Simple built motor maggie 5th gen getting the bus by a civic. Owner of the camaro told him outright "the cars built im not going to waste my time on a civic if its not making power" we told him the power the civic had, he accepted and got yanked. Him on ccws and skinnys up front ready to go. Like they say run what you brung, civic was the fastest car out there that night. Why share a video if you get mad when someone else shares a video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXPEXCim6eM


The civic on the first night it was out stopped the pull on a 137mph GTR from the GTRs roll. Just to give you an idea of what the civic traps all on stock sleeves and 1998cc of fury. Cars now maxing out the turbo and making low 7s. still waiting for 5th gen to step up.


Im on stock sleeves too. Oh and I beat that civic that I raced in the video.

lolumad

Simple built motor maggie 5th gen getting the bus by a civic. Owner of the camaro told him outright "the cars built im not going to waste my time on a civic if its not making power" we told him the power the civic had, he accepted and got yanked. Him on ccws and skinnys up front ready to go. Like they say run what you brung, civic was the fastest car out there that night. Why share a video if you get mad when someone else shares a video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXPEXCim6eM


The civic on the first night it was out stopped the pull on a 137mph GTR from the GTRs roll. Just to give you an idea of what the civic traps all on stock sleeves and 1998cc of fury.


I'm not mad at all. I'm simply letting you know that most 5th gen owners claim built motors because they have injectors.

325 doesn't fit on a 5th gen. You have to cut to make it fit.
I'm running 305 slicks. 315s are hard to fit.

I bet you that civic will not be able to pull that on a properly built 5th gen with similar power.. Why? Because you CAN get a 5th gen to hook at 650-660rwhp and the maggie is a torque monster... It would take like 150mph to catch the car.

Just saying. No need to get mad Defender of the Hondas. They're still gay no matter how fast they go. And there a couple interesting 5th gens coming out to the camaro5fest to debut their times. Lots of them shooting for 8 and I think 1 even shooting for 7s at FULL weight.

I'm not mad at all. I'm simply letting you know that most 5th gen owners claim built motors because they have injectors.

325 doesn't fit on a 5th gen. You have to cut to make it fit.
I'm running 305 slicks. 315s are hard to fit.

I bet you that civic will not be able to pull that on a properly built 5th gen with similar power.. Why? Because you CAN get a 5th gen to hook at 650-660rwhp and the maggie is a torque monster... It would take like 150mph to catch the car.

Just saying. No need to get mad Defender of the Hondas. They're still gay no matter how fast they go.

See that's were your opinion is just that your opinion. I can sit here and say 5th gens are gay because they resemble a tank but that has no bearing on anything because its MY opinion. Like i previously said hardly any car steps up to the civic, all he does is race bikes because 90% of the time its the only things worth racing at the meets. Like i previously said believe what you like. Tan tararan! the defender of all 5th gens has spoken.


Im on stock sleeves too. Oh and I beat that civic that I raced in the video.

Congrats, nice kill.

I hardly defend 5th gens, I just know when I am right and you're wrong, and I am right.

I'm right 102% of the time btw so don't even argue with me anymore.

Thanks.

You really think a full weight civic with 300whp is a 120mph car? In a gutted CRX maybe. Dude, you can get your panties in a bundle all you want, maybe I touched some previous import nerve you must have, sorry.

Like you previously said, you know nothing about civics. Your input on what is and what can't be done is invalid.

I hardly defend 5th gens, I just know when I am right and you're wrong, and I am right.

I'm right 102% of the time btw so don't even argue with me anymore.

Thanks.

Cool. The 5th gen gahd has spoken.

I know enough about civic's to handle myself in a parking lot. I obviously knew enough about this one to pick it out. You think all hondas @ 300whp are scud missiles. Which is untrue. If your so upset you get one of you honda buddies to come race me? Remember the camera guy in this race has a 10sec full weight civic and another one of our friends has a hatch that made 646whp on 26psi, with a stroked b16 and is turning up the wick to 40+psi this year and that thing is a god damned rocket. But a 2500lb 300whp civic isn't going to wow anyone.

edit...

At the end of the day, you could have the fastest civic in America, and you'd still be fucking gay for driving a civic.

You can put perfume on shit but it's still shit.
lol this should be the reply to lightningteg's 1st post..lol

Honda's are poop

You really think a full weight civic with 300whp is a 120mph car?

Just to be clear, are you implying that your bolton GTO is a near 120 car?

I bet you that civic will not be able to pull that on a properly built 5th gen with similar power.. Why? Because you CAN get a 5th gen to hook at 650-660rwhp and the maggie is a torque monster... It would take like 150mph to catch the car.i'm pretty sure a local civic made mid 600s and trapped 145 literally skating. he cut a 1.7 60' but after that it was all downhill haha. that car would fucking decimate your 600+ whp/wtq car sofa king bad you'd have to send a smoke signal to tell him you shut down because he'd be in the next zipcode after pulling 3 gears. same car was down in texas awhile back putting panties in a bunch.

lightningteg knows which one i'm talkin bout. ha good times.

I know enough about civic's to handle myself in a parking lot. I obviously knew enough about this one to pick it out. You think all hondas @ 300whp are scud missiles. Which is untrue. If your so upset you get one of you honda buddies to come race me? Remember the camera guy in this race has a 10sec full weight civic and another one of our friends has a hatch that made 646whp on 26psi, with a stroked b16 and is turning up the wick to 40+psi this year and that thing is a god damned rocket. But a 2500lb 300whp civic isn't going to wow anyone.

Where are you located? I got more than one for you to race. Been there done that, seen it happen way to many times on the street to even continue trying to get you to believe anything, come to miami. Ill have a couple honda's lined up for you you can take your pick on motor, nitrous, boost w/e. Besides that my buddies Ek coupe (2350 without him in it, he weighs 220) Stock b16 on 10 psi made 316 on E85 ran door to door with a pulley, tune, intake, catback 03 cobra with a solid rear. From what i know pulley bolt on cobras are 117-118mph cars. Now if a 2570lb coupe can do it, an EG with 20 more HP is def capable of low 120s. Believe what you like, come find out if your curious. Shit man my buddy tuned a stock k20z1 integra with bolt ons and a 125shot that traped high 120s the car put down 365 in a full interior full optioned heavy ass integra.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slCghadY1Co&feature=plcp

i'm pretty sure a local civic made mid 600s and trapped 145 literally skating. he cut a 1.7 60' but after that it was all downhill haha. that car would fucking decimate your 600+ whp/wtq car sofa king bad you'd have to send a smoke signal to tell him you shut down because he'd be in the next zipcode after pulling 3 gears. same car was down in texas awhile back putting panties in a bunch.

lightningteg knows which one i'm talkin bout. ha good times.

I already told you.
I am right 107% of the time.
I would decimate anything.
Don't try to argue with me you honda dick sucker.

I already told you.
I am right 107% of the time.
I would decimate anything.
Don't try to argue with me you honda dick sucker.i'm not a big fan of hondas either, but your ignorance runs quite rampant, my friend.

i'm not a big fan of hondas either, but your ignorance runs quite rampant, my friend.

Guys logic is not from this world. Well technically he is.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GSmKuVSocN8

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GSmKuVSocN8

Ill take that as a no.

i'm not a big fan of hondas either, but your ignorance runs quite rampant, my friend.

What ignorance? You simply can't stand the fact that I am right.
You must be delusional if my 4100lbs 5th gen at 630rwhp would lose to a 2800lbs 600whp civic.

wait for it

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Honda's are POOP

i'm pretty sure a local civic made mid 600s and trapped 145 literally skating. he cut a 1.7 60' but after that it was all downhill haha. that car would fucking decimate your 600+ whp/wtq car sofa king bad you'd have to send a smoke signal to tell him you shut down because he'd be in the next zipcode after pulling 3 gears. same car was down in texas awhile back putting panties in a bunch.

lightningteg knows which one i'm talkin bout. ha good times.

Oh this one? lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rygkn2i9Kag

What ignorance? You simply can't stand the fact that I am right.
You must be delusional if my 4100lbs 5th gen at 630rwhp would lose to a 2800lbs 600whp civic.

I would run your tank and win with the power in my sig

Oh this one? lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rygkn2i9Kag



I would run your tank and win with the power in my sig

You forget I am now playing the fake numbers in sig. I was at 632rwhp before. Now on slicks I'm breaking the 700s on 4 more pounds of boost and I have a 100 shot ready to go.

So no, your little integra would not by any means beat me.

I already told you.
I am right 107% of the time.
I would decimate anything.
Don't try to argue with me you honda dick sucker.

do not bother with this guy he is a troll. last year we got into a debate with him and he was a huge effing troll about it. he also changes his sig quite often with different cars and claims to have different things/power levels. he more than likely has none of these things and doesnt even drive a gm car. ignore him.

I bet you that civic will not be able to pull that on a properly built 5th gen with similar power.. Why? Because you CAN get a 5th gen to hook at 650-660rwhp and the maggie is a torque monster... It would take like 150mph to catch the car.

just a question you know that the maggie is an outdated blower right? the twin screw whipple and kenne bell make much more power. at least when making stuff up id claim the better of the two. its like trying to talk up a ham sandwich when theres a juicy steak next to it. just saying.

Wssick, I'm in no way claiming a bolt on gto is a 120mph car. 115 is perfectly reasonable in good air. I'm saying a full weight civic with 300whp doesn't trap 120.

Adamantium, no I'm not driving to Miami which is about 30 hours away to race a gay Honda. You were the one calling bs so send that junk shit up here.

You forget I am now playing the fake numbers in sig. I was at 632rwhp before. Now on slicks I'm breaking the 700s on 4 more pounds of boost and I have a 100 shot ready to go.

So no, your little integra would not by any means beat me.

Jesus 2 power adders for a 4 cyl brah. You are really showing how its done. :eyes:

Jesus 2 power adders for a 4 cyl brah. You are really showing how its done. :eyes:

Well I am aiming for an AMS900 evo with an upgraded turbo boosting 40psi. Thing was making 780awhp when he smoked me about a month ago. So I think Teg's Integra is the last of my worries.

Wssick, I'm in no way claiming a bolt on gto is a 120mph car. 115 is perfectly reasonable in good air. I'm saying a full weight civic with 300whp doesn't trap 120.

Adamantium, no I'm not driving to Miami which is about 30 hours away to race a gay Honda. You were the one calling bs so send that junk shit up here.

Like i stated before ive seen MANY things since ive been around civics for 5-6 years. Ive seen it all. You can call em gay or whatever you like but you will NEVER have anything for the civics down here.

I love how you keep ignoring what my friends 316whp civic ran door to door with a 117-118 mph cobra, in a full interior EK coupe. Isn't it common sense in an EG with a bit more power that 2-3mph is OBVIOUSLY do able. Or what about the heavy ass full interior integra making mid 3's traping HIGH 120s. Im sure 30whp less would not reduce his trap by 10mph.

You are an ignorant retard. Pray that civic doesn't come back on tires and asks for a rerun.

just a question you know that the maggie is an outdated blower right? the twin screw whipple and kenne bell make much more power. at least when making stuff up id claim the better of the two. its like trying to talk up a ham sandwich when theres a juicy steak next to it. just saying.

Well I could take the time to retort this and explain to you that nothing compares to a maggie torque wise. But yes, the maggie is a small blower and tops out fairly quick. No one has been able to hit over 900rwhp with one without spray. Hell I don't think they have hit 800rwhp without spray. I know a 7xx rwhp maggie is boosting 16-17 with stage 3 upgrades on the blower but thats about it.:engarde:

Well I could take the time to retort this and explain to you that nothing compares to a maggie torque wise. But yes, the maggie is a small blower and tops out fairly quick. No one has been able to hit over 900rwhp with one without spray. Hell I don't think they have hit 800rwhp without spray. I know a 7xx rwhp maggie is boosting 16-17 with stage 3 upgrades on the blower but thats about it.:engarde:

hell yeah there are blowers that top the maggie torque wise. the two i mentioned above do, the kb or the whipple. both will make more power and torque than a maggie. look at a build on this site of an ls2 with a whipple and it puts out over 800rwhp and a monster amount of torque.

imagine that on the new camaro motor, and theres your 900rwhp mark with blower and blower cam. its similar to the build im doing in my vette now, ls2 with a 4.0l whipple

Making a car fast In a straight line doesn't make it less of a pos. that civic ducked tail like a bitch after that race. Keep quoting YouTube videos, no one gives a fuck. 2 of my good friends have civics that will beat most any shitbox Honda in your area. I'm not ignorant, I just don't like them, and I don't have to.

I have also lost to several Hondas, I'm not saying I can beat all of them. Hell I don't have anything for a lot of civics in my area but most all are making well over 300 whp. So you sound like a stupid fuck when you say, "you don't have anything for the fast Hondas in Miami."

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hell yeah there are blowers that top the maggie torque wise. the two i mentioned above do, the kb or the whipple. both will make more power and torque than a maggie. look at a build on this site of an ls2 with a whipple and it puts out over 800rwhp and a monster amount of torque.

imagine that on the new camaro motor, and theres your 900rwhp mark with blower and blower cam. its similar to the build im doing in my vette now, ls2 with a 4.0l whipple

I got my maggie for 4k. A KB requires a new hood so you're looking at like 7k for the KB and 1k for the hood. Whipple was also an excellent choice but I got my maggie at a good price.

I was going to get a paxton originally but found this one was 2k less and i originally never wanted to get over 600rwhp. My buddy is buying an ls3 vette and wants to buy my maggie off me. If he does I will ugprade to a procharger.

Thing about the procharger is yes you can make more peak power than a twin screw but centri's have a similar boost lag effect that turbos do. They won't enter full boost range till high rpm. I like the twin screw because you have all that power down low and up top. Plus I have no hood issues since its non f body car.

Thing about the procharger is yes you can make more peak power than a twin screw but centri's have a similar boost lag effect that turbos do. They won't enter full boost range till high rpm. I like the twin screw because you have all that power down low and up top. Plus I have no hood issues since its non f body car.

This is exactly what I tell procharger guys, but they seem to run a lot faster than roots guys at the track.

Thing about the procharger is yes you can make more peak power than a twin screw but centri's have a similar boost lag effect that turbos do. They won't enter full boost range till high rpm. I like Thumb twin screw because you have all that power down low and up top. Plus I have no hood issues since its non f body car.

Sry. Double post on a smart phone that's acting dumb. Neway I don't track tho the vette will be a street car where the torque matters. I think the twin screw will do just fine

Lightningteg, want to get down this weekend?

Lightningteg, want to get down this weekend?

Dammit man you have the worst timing lol. I'm helping my buddy up in Kokomo get his motor built in time for WMHM up at Gingerman which will be all next weekend for me. So it'll be a few weeks before Im in the southside again.

What are you rolling in again so I know to look for you?

One more time!!!






Honda's are POOP!

One more time!!!






Honda's are POOP!

http://www.mediashow.ro/show/334103-3/honda-turtle.jpg

In reference to blowers... Out of all the roots blowers out right now... I would take the one atop 2ssarmes car. The TVS2300 has proven its potential in stone. Everyone hates on it because of the old Maggie 112s atop the 03/04 cobra. After having years of being the worst heat soaking blower on the planet, they now have the absolute most consistent efficient roots blower out there. Sure you can get a bit more power out of the 3+ liter roots blowers... but they are not consistent by any means. And apparently making 800whp with a tvs2300 and running as consistent as an N/A car isnt what people want. I guess most people would much rather just run a 2.8 Kenne bell and make 850 but get 1 pass out of the car and have to let it cool down for 30 minutes. The Zr1 and new GT500 alone should prove the TVS blowers potential. Both north of trapping 140 mph... one of which being a god damn 4000lb tank. People need to do a bit more research on the TVS series before labeling it as just another "maggie". As far as centri vs roots, It all depends on the cars setup. My boss for example.... would get nothing but a centri blower. Its light, revs to the moon, geared to the moon... Centri! On a much heavier car with a lot less rev and gear, a roots blower all day long. There is not a BETTER style of blower... only better setups to give the blowers all the credit. People usually forget about the entire cars setup that the blower is attached to. Im so tired of hearing that roots blower cars are nothing but tire fryers and suck on the roll... thats failure to setup a car right. And im tired of hearing about how centris make only good peak power but are very laggie. Again, failure to setup a car right. Anyway... rant is over.

People also forget that the tvs2300 in particular has probably one of the best and most consistent/impressive torque curves out there. Literally full torque at 2k rpm and carried ALL THE WAY across, non dipping.

They are tire fryers in that you won't ever hook without slicks... literally. Full suspension and DRs and you'll still blow your tires off if you're above 600rwtq, but that can be said for any car... just that 600rwtq at 2k rpm is different than 600wtq at 5500.

Oh I love these kind of threads, so entertaining.
My car will beat them all.... someday. And the whole build cost me less then one of your blowers :P

http://www.mediashow.ro/show/334103-3/honda-turtle.jpg

Diggin the cf turtle shell.

Thing about the procharger is yes you can make more peak power than a twin screw but centri's have a similar boost lag effect that turbos do. They won't enter full boost range till high rpm. I like the twin screw because you have all that power down low and up top. Plus I have no hood issues since its non f body car.

Have you driven a Centri? Mine doesn't have any lag.

This is exactly what I tell procharger guys, but they seem to run a lot faster than roots guys at the track.

Bingo. I have waxed similiar powered roots blown cars at the track with my fox. Yes they have more power than me down low but they can't hook and they suffer from heak soak way worse than me.

Thing about the procharger is yes you can make more peak power than a twin screw but centri's have a similar boost lag effect that turbos do. They won't enter full boost range till high rpm. I like Thumb twin screw because you have all that power down low and up top. Plus I have no hood issues since its non f body car.

Thats utter nonsense. Lag??? I suggest you drive a modern centri before posting that.

People also forget that the tvs2300 in particular has probably one of the best and most consistent/impressive torque curves out there. Literally full torque at 2k rpm and carried ALL THE WAY across, non dipping.

They are tire fryers in that you won't ever hook without slicks... literally. Full suspension and DRs and you'll still blow your tires off if you're above 600rwtq, but that can be said for any car... just that 600rwtq at 2k rpm is different than 600wtq at 5500.

Yup.

In reference to blowers... Out of all the roots blowers out right now... I would take the one atop 2ssarmes car. The TVS2300 has proven its potential in stone. Everyone hates on it because of the old Maggie 112s atop the 03/04 cobra. After having years of being the worst heat soaking blower on the planet, they now have the absolute most consistent efficient roots blower out there. Sure you can get a bit more power out of the 3+ liter roots blowers... but they are not consistent by any means. And apparently making 800whp with a tvs2300 and running as consistent as an N/A car isnt what people want. I guess most people would much rather just run a 2.8 Kenne bell and make 850 but get 1 pass out of the car and have to let it cool down for 30 minutes. The Zr1 and new GT500 alone should prove the TVS blowers potential. Both north of trapping 140 mph... one of which being a god damn 4000lb tank. People need to do a bit more research on the TVS series before labeling it as just another "maggie". As far as centri vs roots, It all depends on the cars setup. My boss for example.... would get nothing but a centri blower. Its light, revs to the moon, geared to the moon... Centri! On a much heavier car with a lot less rev and gear, a roots blower all day long. There is not a BETTER style of blower... only better setups to give the blowers all the credit. People usually forget about the entire cars setup that the blower is attached to. Im so tired of hearing that roots blower cars are nothing but tire fryers and suck on the roll... thats failure to setup a car right. And im tired of hearing about how centris make only good peak power but are very laggie. Again, failure to setup a car right. Anyway... rant is over.


Good post.

Magnuson actually did a test between the MP112, Whipple 2.3(or 2.9) and a procharger(don't remember the type) and the maggie carried a way stronger torque than any of the other blowers tested... True on top the whipple shined but at low end nothing out performs a maggie... lovin the wing on the turtle shell!!http://www.mediashow.ro/show/334103-3/honda-turtle.jpg

Mike.
I have missed you.

Awww. I am shocked you have not been busted yet;)
Broke my ankle and need surgury. I am going crazy not driving:(

Let me explain myself a little bit better. When he was asked about his mods he said......ahhhh......single cam. Then how much boost he said.....ahhhh.....10psi. Thats more the reason I was referring to his BS. Now my honda friends are telling me even with a 6262 a single cam isn't making more than 300whp. That car (full weight, had a full interior and a roll bar/cage thing) isn't pulling like that with 300whp. I have raced many 300whp hondas that weren't gutted out and the results were not in their favor. It could have been a single cam with more than 10 psi, OR some sort of B or H series with 10psi, but it didn't have a single cam and 10psi. Sorry.

i call major bs on this, i have personally witnessed a 300 hp honda hatch run side by side with a 500hp turbo 08 stang. unless those drivers just didnt know how the heck to drive. btw it was a stock b18 with a head and a cheap turbo kit pushing 12 psi. dont beleive me?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB2VtcklZdA&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QIL6rrN3es&feature=plcp
theres no way a fat ass gto with under 400hp would even touch this car:bang:

i call major bs on this, i have personally witnessed a 300 hp honda hatch run side by side with a 500hp turbo 08 stang. unless those drivers just didnt know how the heck to drive. btw it was a stock b18 with a head and a cheap turbo kit pushing 12 psi. dont beleive me?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB2VtcklZdA&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QIL6rrN3es&feature=plcp
theres no way a fat ass gto with under 400hp would even touch this car:bang:

inb4 everyone ignores or denies this. lawllll


Funniest thing is the car looks shitty, and everyone on here would def talk shit about it if they came across it, im sure after a run there mouth will be shut real fast though. Funnest thing i miss about civics, you are always underestimated.

I know of a civic 2ss should run =) but he don't want none.

I would gladly run any civic you brought, even if it pounced me. Why? Because I know I can beat 98% of civics.

Sadly... I am in Central America and can't run any real civics. There's one around here that belongs to my friend thats over 1000fwhp, but he hasn't brought it out yet. When he does I'll get a fun run in and show you how I will take him in the first three gears.

I would gladly run any civic you brought, even if it pounced me. Why? Because I know I can beat 98% of civics.

Sadly... I am in Central America and can't run any real civics. There's one around here that belongs to my friend thats over 1000fwhp, but he hasn't brought it out yet. When he does I'll get a fun run in and show you how I will take him in the first three gears.

LOL so your good for low 9s? Wow your fast, iv got a civic for you to race.

LOL so your good for low 9s? Wow your fast, iv got a civic for you to race.

Since I am doing some weight reduction and upping power I am almost certain that if I get good traction I will be good for high 9s. But I do have a shot 100 shot for the maggie but won't dare use it until I forge this bitch and get a new tranny.

Got a civic that has nitrous for you to run, won't be used if you cant use it either =)

inb4 everyone ignores or denies this. lawllll


Funniest thing is the car looks shitty, and everyone on here would def talk shit about it if they came across it, im sure after a run there mouth will be shut real fast though. Funnest thing i miss about civics, you are always underestimated.

bodyworks been fixed, then again theres a built 500hp motor in it now so yeah

Here is the problem you guys still don't get...it doesn't matter how fast the civic is, it's still gay. Yes it looks like shit, congrats? I prefer a more well rounded car. You guys act like I have never seen a fast civic or have never lost to one. Both are untrue. If that mustang makes 500 wheel then it's the slowest 500 hp mustang in the world. I could quote YouTube videos but I don't care enough and believe it or not, some people on the Internet are liars!

considering i was chasing said mustang and said civic after my bolt ons and under full acceleration i felt like i was driving a pinto racing a ferrari, yeah, deff not slow. you can call brian @ dynotune motorsports in columbus ohio or the guys at slowmotion performance and they will back the numbers up. none of this conversation has been about looks either, so quit using the typical domestic owners excuse of "mine still looks better". bottom line i don't think you've actually raced a true 300hp hatch with someone who actually knows how to drive it behind the wheel. i raced a 680hp gt500 and walked him. did the guy know how to drive? nope. and that's not just a random youtube video, the dyno video was taken on my blackberry and i watched them run 5 times that night. regardless, believe what you want, it is the interwebz after all.

Im sorry, who brought up the looks first? I believe that was you. So please continue to tell me how awesome civics are.

civics are poop :D

Im sorry, who brought up the looks first? I believe that was you. So please continue to tell me how awesome civics are.

i believe someone else said that the civic looks like crap. i just called the gto fat. and if i thought civics were awesome id own one. i was merely stating how your car does NOT have what it takes to "put busses" on a 300 hp civic with a decent driver. and on a side note, id be more than happy to show your fat goat what power to weight ratio is in my poor little firebird:chug:

I said civics look like crap and they = small penis

I said civics look like crap and they = small penis
lol.i agree with u

Again, please show me where I would put buses on it. I'll wait right here. And you want me to race your turd? Come at me bro.

Im sorry, who brought up the looks first? I believe that was you. So please continue to tell me how awesome civics are.

I said the car looked shitty, no offense to arctic. Funny how its always the same excuses or phrases said when a member on here looks stupid. "its still gay" "still a piece of shit" "still looks like shit" whatever helps you sleep at night brah. Will be waiting for the outcome between you and a legit low 300hp civic.


i believe someone else said that the civic looks like crap. i just called the gto fat. and if i thought civics were awesome id own one. i was merely stating how your car does NOT have what it takes to "put busses" on a 300 hp civic with a decent driver. and on a side note, id be more than happy to show your fat goat what power to weight ratio is in my poor little firebird:chug:

Thank you, ive been saying this a whole thread ago. When my friends stock b16 was in his coupe he ran bolt on cobras, ferrari daytona, ISF, 09 GT500 with boltons, LS2 C6, and a shit load of other cars. All of which he was door to door with or destroyed it. He even ran a bolt on 2011 5.0 with 3cyl (cracked a ringland when he retuned with some shitty tuner) and beat it pretty bad lawl.

civics are poop :D

Werd.:cheers:

I said the car looked shitty, no offense to arctic. Funny how its always the same excuses or phrases said when a member on here looks stupid. "its still gay" "still a piece of shit" "still looks like shit" whatever helps you sleep at night brah. Will be waiting for the outcome between you and a legit low 300hp civic.




Thank you, ive been saying this a whole thread ago. When my friends stock b16 was in his coupe he ran bolt on cobras, ferrari daytona, ISF, 09 GT500 with boltons, LS2 C6, and a shit load of other cars. All of which he was door to door with or destroyed it. He even ran a bolt on 2011 5.0 with 3cyl (cracked a ringland when he retuned with some shitty tuner) and beat it pretty bad lawl.

So the civic looked like shit and blew up?

So the civic looked like shit and blew up?

Well that calls for a ......................................







Honda's are poop:turd:

Rofl^^^ WHats your bird weigh stock ? My gto is down to 3,5xx lbs with about 10 minutes of my time. Not hardles fat at all by todays standards.

So the civic looked like shit and blew up?

Sadly civic looked better than any gto ive seen. flawless body work, crv green, candy apple red engine bay, tucked harness, etc...It dropped a valve, reving past 9k on stock valve train. Doesn't matter now built sleeved and forged motors has been put together, which is why i bring up the stock motor because obviously your gto is not up to par with it now. IMO wasn't up to par with it when it was a stock motor setup.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6027/6012625393_3acc5f95b5_z.jpg


Put it this way this car beat my friends H/C/I turbo'd foxbody with tubular k member and all the suspension goodies on big and littes from a 40 and the civic was having some issues, The foxbody made 389 and 400wtrq. We all know a foxbody is miles away lighter than your car or my car for that matter.

Seriously just own up to it.

Sadly civic looked better than any gto ive seen. flawless body work, crv green, candy apple red engine bay, tucked harness, etc...It dropped a valve, reving past 9k on stock valve train. Doesn't matter now built sleeved and forged motors has been put together, which is why i bring up the stock motor because obviously your gto is not up to par with it now. IMO wasn't up to par with it when it was a stock motor setup.

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6027/6012625393_3acc5f95b5_z.jpg
:barf:

That looks like shit. I think my SRT10 battery is bigger.

lol...

And that color looks like coagulated period blood.

Congrats posting up a car with period blood painting and a pickup battery in the middle.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2cs6vzk.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/2cs6vzk.jpg

That looks terrible, next time atleast clean off that big chunk of shit from the top of your manifold brah.

umad my shit looks better than a period blood battery?


You should see a HD shot. The engine is dirtier than an arab camels ass. I have never cleaned it in my life.

how the mother fuck does that civic look better then ANY GTO you have seen. A full on stock ls1 gto is miles more appealing to me then ANY civic. Id rather be getting smoked in a bone stock ls1 tank of a GTO then be the guy in the civic doing the smoking. What has this world come to?? You would think its 2001 all over again... god damn Fast and the Furious

haha ..mabe his v6 firebird engine bays looks better..

Soooooo your making excuses as to why it blew up? And since you throwing another car at me thats not yours, I can throw my buddies civic at whatever the fuck honda you know to run and it will not win. Im talking about racing MY car, not my friends or some guy on the internet.

Soooo, unless you know of a 300whp civic/integra with in a reasonable distance from me, which is exactly what this thread is about, STFU.

Anybody count how many times "brah" has been used?

And dude, you don't get it, I'm sure thats a fast car but I don't care, nor do I have do. I don't have to like honda's.

We should all make accounts on honda tech and be mach1 drivers and set them in their place.

We should all make accounts on honda tech and be mach1 drivers and set them in their place.
not a bad idea,

not a bad idea,

Or just pretend to be honda drivers.

YOYOYO WASUP GUYS I GOT ME A CLEAN CIVIC YO K65 ENGINE BAY MYDICKISSMALL AND I GOT ME A G49398 TURBO IN IT BOOSTING SMALLPENISIHAVE 84PSI AND I BE SMOKIN DEM DOMESTICS YAAA BUDDY CHECK OUT MY CALIPERSSSSSSSS ISUCKDICK.


honda4lyfeson

Soooooo your making excuses as to why it blew up? And since you throwing another car at me thats not yours, I can throw my buddies civic at whatever the fuck honda you know to run and it will not win. Im talking about racing MY car, not my friends or some guy on the internet.

Soooo, unless you know of a 300whp civic/integra with in a reasonable distance from me, which is exactly what this thread is about, STFU.

Your an idiot. Where did i make excuses? It dropped a valve at 9k, on stock valve train. Over rev your GTO by 1k RPMs for 200 races and LMK what happens brah. This pissing match is shit, bottom line you woulda got the walk by a stock motor honda on 10psi. lololool. I guess its time for you to sit back down and contemplate this phaggot.
Or just pretend to be honda drivers.

YOYOYO WASUP GUYS I GOT ME A CLEAN CIVIC YO K65 ENGINE BAY MYDICKISSMALL AND I GOT ME A G49398 TURBO IN IT BOOSTING SMALLPENISIHAVE 84PSI AND I BE SMOKIN DEM DOMESTICS YAAA BUDDY CHECK OUT MY CALIPERSSSSSSSS ISUCKDICK.


honda4lyfeson

inb4permabanned

Or just pretend to be honda drivers.

YOYOYO WASUP GUYS I GOT ME A CLEAN CIVIC YO K65 ENGINE BAY MYDICKISSMALL AND I GOT ME A G49398 TURBO IN IT BOOSTING SMALLPENISIHAVE 84PSI AND I BE SMOKIN DEM DOMESTICS YAAA BUDDY CHECK OUT MY CALIPERSSSSSSSS ISUCKDICK.


honda4lyfeson
my username would probly jdm4lifeyoooo..lol..i would have to get used to thier language

Your an idiot. Where did i make excuses? It dropped a valve at 9k, on stock valve train. Over rev your GTO by 1k RPMs for 200 races and LMK what happens brah. This pissing match is shit, bottom line you woulda got the walk by a stock motor honda on 10psi. lololool. I guess its time for you to sit back down and contemplate this phaggot.


inb4permabanned

how old are you?

Your an idiot. Where did i make excuses? It dropped a valve at 9k, on stock valve train. Over rev your GTO by 1k RPMs for 200 races and LMK what happens brah. This pissing match is shit, bottom line you woulda got the walk by a stock motor honda on 10psi. lololool. I guess its time for you to sit back down and contemplate this phaggot.


inb4permabanned

No I wouldn't. Maybe an S2k, but not a civic. And I forgot to tell you your a fucking retard when your like "its easy to make big power on low boost, just put a HUGE turbo on it." If that were the case, every turbo car on the planet would be running pro mod 106's. So STFU.

Also, I'm not going to run past my redline for any period of time cause I'm not retarted like your friend is.

No I wouldn't. Maybe an S2k, but not a civic. And I forgot to tell you your a fucking retard when your like "its easy to make big power on low boost, just put a HUGE turbo on it." If that were the case, every turbo car on the planet would be running pro mod 106's. So STFU.

Also, I'm not going to run past my redline for any period of time cause I'm not retarted like your friend is.

Jesus christ you are retarded.

That looks like shit. I think my SRT10 battery is bigger.


LMAO!!!! Holy F$%^

:barf:

I agree. That was gross.

Hmmm, SHit green with candy apple red engine bay. I thought gay`s had better taste in styling?

I said the car looked shitty, no offense to arctic. Funny how its always the same excuses or phrases said when a member on here looks stupid. "its still gay" "still a piece of shit" "still looks like shit" whatever helps you sleep at night brah. Will be waiting for the outcome between you and a legit low 300hp civic.




Thank you, ive been saying this a whole thread ago. When my friends stock b16 was in his coupe he ran bolt on cobras, ferrari daytona, ISF, 09 GT500 with boltons, LS2 C6, and a shit load of other cars. All of which he was door to door with or destroyed it. He even ran a bolt on 2011 5.0 with 3cyl (cracked a ringland when he retuned with some shitty tuner) and beat it pretty bad lawl.



WAAIIIITTTTTTTTTT just a cotton fuggin minute. Your buddies stock, b16 honda civic. Just a stock B16 in a coupe. No bolt ons. No turbo. Just the engine swap.....and it ran with a bolt on gt500? Would you like to tell me exactly what color crack you are smoking? A stock B16 in a 92-95 civic couple (the lightest of the coupes) would be a mid 15 second car on a good day downhill with a wind to its back. And thats with a perfect launch and a great driver. Most b16 civic coupes without some work or boost run low 16's.

Now if you were talking a stock bottom end b16 with some boost in a 92-95......yeah im still not believing you. A stock bottom end b16 is going to make at maximum less than 500whp. And its going to need more than that to hang with a stock gt500 much less a full bolt on car. And its not going to make that much power on 10psi regardless.

For example. My friend had a 2001 Integra Type-R. On the stock bottom end at 16psi on a T3/T4 turbo it made 424whp. To make that kind of power on a bigger turbo at 10 psi, the stock bottom end wouldnt hold it.


Edit: link to said integra http://www.atsracing.net/Customers/Index/NickTypeR

No I wouldn't. Maybe an S2k, but not a civic. And I forgot to tell you your a fucking retard when your like "its easy to make big power on low boost, just put a HUGE turbo on it." If that were the case, every turbo car on the planet would be running pro mod 106's. So STFU.

Also, I'm not going to run past my redline for any period of time cause I'm not retarted like your friend is.

I made 330 on stock gsr block and head, 60-1 garret...made 523 with pistons on race gas.

Also a b16 with around 280fwhp n/a will burn a lot of cars on the street with not much effort. Gt500 drivers arnt known for driving. If he just sat and spun a geo metro will pass him.

^ not at full weight it wouldn't. Maybe if it weighs 1900lbs it might.

Id like to know how that works, considering ive raced a handful of mid 200whp hondas from rolls and have yet to lose to one. And my shits alot slower than even a crappy driver in a Gt500.

I made 330 on stock gsr block and head, 60-1 garret...made 523 with pistons on race gas.

No doubt, but I bet it wasnt at 10psi.

Fucking honda dick suckers on here.

When you can wheelie your car... Oh wait.

Wonder what it feels like to make 650whp at 9200rpm and 14wtq throughout your whole power curve.

Fucking honda dick suckers on here.

When you can wheelie your car... Oh wait.

Wonder what it feels like to make 650whp at 9200rpm and 14wtq throughout your whole power curve.

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i372/wnt2gofst/431840_10150749182667112_75402982111_11453199_3832 12286_n.jpg

That s2k had a 2jz engine...

A stock bottom end b16 is going to make at maximum less than 500whp.

The bottom end isnt the limiting factor, the head is, and a B16 head can make 600+ with stock cams. Is it playing with fire? Definitly.


And its going to need more than that to hang with a stock gt500 much less a full bolt on car. And its not going to make that much power on 10psi regardless.

False. GT500s are unimpressive at best. I've beaten much faster cars with less power in my integra which is heavier then most hondas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqBhJqjgniI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grc8qNdHUIg


For example. My friend had a 2001 Integra Type-R. On the stock bottom end at 16psi on a T3/T4 turbo it made 424whp. To make that kind of power on a bigger turbo at 10 psi, the stock bottom end wouldnt hold it.


Why not? Less boost would be less heat = less stress so it would be safer then 16. But I dont see any B series making that kind of power on 10psi

http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i372/wnt2gofst/431840_10150749182667112_75402982111_11453199_3832 12286_n.jpg

zzzzz that's the raw's 2jz s2k.

Fucking honda dick suckers on here.

When you can wheelie your car... Oh wait.

Wonder what it feels like to make 650whp at 9200rpm and 14wtq throughout your whole power curve.

That s2k had a 2jz engine...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--4n2rUlois

I've got a video on my phone when I saw this car at the track get higher then that and had to get out of it.

Fucking honda dick suckers on here.

When you can wheelie your car... Oh wait.

Wonder what it feels like to make 650whp at 9200rpm and 14wtq throughout your whole power curve.

Man I wish you were still up here lol. Im not a Honda nutswinger by any means but theres a few running around that would make you cry.

Man I wish you were still up here lol. Im not a Honda nutswinger by any means but theres a few running around that would make you cry.

I know. I just love riling up the honda guys though. Domestic guys seem to take better to trolling and just troll back. Honda guys go all out and burst a vein.

Oh I know. I really enjoy messing with the ricer crowd here. My shits slow so I have to pick on all motor hondas and 2v mustangs lol.

Sell me your car and ill make it fast.

I told you to buy it. You didnt want it.

Because I got the SRT10 instead :(

And whos fault is that?

let me try this.


Honda's are poop.

That feels much better.

280>200...just math

With all the "woulda coulda shoulda" bullshit in this thread I would swear the OP raced a Kenne Bell Cobra or a bolt on 5.0 or at least a full bolt on and geared Mach 1.

What ignorance? You simply can't stand the fact that I am right.
You must be delusional if my 4100lbs 5th gen at 630rwhp would lose to a 2800lbs 600whp civic.

Sorry dude not trying to be a dick but i about fell off my chair reading this :D

Sorry dude not trying to be a dick but i about fell off my chair reading this :D

trolololol

You are 102% correct :hail:

Btw OP good race just don't race that guy from a high roll :D

WAAIIIITTTTTTTTTT just a cotton fuggin minute. Your buddies stock, b16 honda civic. Just a stock B16 in a coupe. No bolt ons. No turbo. Just the engine swap.....and it ran with a bolt on gt500? Would you like to tell me exactly what color crack you are smoking? A stock B16 in a 92-95 civic couple (the lightest of the coupes) would be a mid 15 second car on a good day downhill with a wind to its back. And thats with a perfect launch and a great driver. Most b16 civic coupes without some work or boost run low 16's.

Now if you were talking a stock bottom end b16 with some boost in a 92-95......yeah im still not believing you. A stock bottom end b16 is going to make at maximum less than 500whp. And its going to need more than that to hang with a stock gt500 much less a full bolt on car. And its not going to make that much power on 10psi regardless.

For example. My friend had a 2001 Integra Type-R. On the stock bottom end at 16psi on a T3/T4 turbo it made 424whp. To make that kind of power on a bigger turbo at 10 psi, the stock bottom end wouldnt hold it.


Edit: link to said integra http://www.atsracing.net/Customers/Index/NickTypeR


Stock b16 longblock (stock head port/head, stock valvetrain, stock cams, stock bottom end) on 10psi ive said it like 1000 times in here, please go back and read all of my posts instead of skimming through here. If your buddy makes 424 on a small turbo and switches to a bigger turbo on less psi but makes the same power it would have no affect on anything but the power curve characteristics (spool time etc...), it is still putting down the same power. The first thing to go on a stock b-series are its ringlands.IF you guys don't know anything about turbo cars why do you chime in? He has vids of it on his gopro, ill be at his house tonight ill upload the video if he hasn't deleted it. Believe what you want.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om0IqXOvykY

WTF? Did everyone from HondaTech just join here to let us know how awesome their gay Hondas are? lol.

http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad311/Blown383ls1/Neighborhood.jpg

[QUOTE=Blown383LS1;16508290]WTF? Did everyone from HondaTech just join here to let us know how awesome their gay Hondas are? lol.



LOL i showed up because I like both...partake in import+domestic builds. I respect speed, doesn't look like you know what speed is yet =)

WTF? Did everyone from HondaTech just join here to let us know how awesome their gay Hondas are? lol.

http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad311/Blown383ls1/Neighborhood.jpg

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But srs im a fan of all cars. Just because i own a domestic does not make me mulletfied like 90% of this site nom saiyan?

[QUOTE=Blown383LS1;16508290]WTF? Did everyone from HondaTech just join here to let us know how awesome their gay Hondas are? lol.



LOL i showed up because I like both...partake in import+domestic builds. I respect speed, doesn't look like you know what speed is yet =)

For some reason people only like whatever brand that they drive and everything else is "poop". It doesn't matter if you like/own/build a Chevy, if you don't think Honda's are the worst then your gay apparently.

Yeah bro. Your username has nothing to do why you're gay.

Yeah and your Mopar doesn't help your cause either... SMH

LOL i showed up because I like both...partake in import+domestic builds. I respect speed, doesn't look like you know what speed is yet =)

You got me good with that one. You have no idea what I have built, owned, drove, raced, or anything else for that matter. I'm not impressed when someone throws money at their grammy's grocery getter to have a 500 rpm power band. I know when your mom picked you up at the theater after seeing The Fast & The Furious that you went home thinking "my mom's Civic is badass." :hail: Save up your money for Race Wars, you will decimate all......

Wut? You have a gayvic.

Wut? You have a gayvic.

d00d is that your syck camar0 in your sig brah? IS THAT A BODY KIT? SICK BRO!

d00d is that your syck camar0 in your sig brah? IS THAT A BODY KIT? SICK BRO!

Hahahaha. That's one fucking awesome sig pic!

Wut? You have a gayvic.

I have had many toy cars. This one is the most interesting to me right now.

I have had many toy cars. This one is the most interesting to me right now.

Do you have a small penis?

Nope, I must be an anomaly considering your scientific equation.

My science is never wrong.

You got me good with that one. You have no idea what I have built, owned, drove, raced, or anything else for that matter. I'm not impressed when someone throws money at their grammy's grocery getter to have a 500 rpm power band. I know when your mom picked you up at the theater after seeing The Fast & The Furious that you went home thinking "my mom's Civic is badass." :hail: Save up your money for Race Wars, you will decimate all......

At the end of the day the guy with the most money is going to buy a UGR lambo and shit on anything and everything so I say build whatever the fuck you want lol.

You got me good with that one. You have no idea what I have built, owned, drove, raced, or anything else for that matter. I'm not impressed when someone throws money at their grammy's grocery getter to have a 500 rpm power band. I know when your mom picked you up at the theater after seeing The Fast & The Furious that you went home thinking "my mom's Civic is badass." :hail: Save up your money for Race Wars, you will decimate all......

Dood my moms civic is so fast you don't want none. Shiznet she goes 0-100 in like 21 seconds, after the busted auto tranny decides to shift yo. Madd jdm fo show...yo...that wing adds downforce, that like, counteracts the massive drag it produces so wuts up d0od u wanna race? To the grocery store and back wuts good, I bet she gots more truck space too. #JDM

My science is never wrong.

There are always anomalies within science no matter what logic you bring to the table. Not saying your science is or isn't wrong, just seems to me like you haven't done enough investigating into the Honda-Penis ratio.

BTW my Honda is tuned for 11's, but VTEC hits SOOO hard it can't help but run 9's!

Just saying...

Thread is full of win

There are always anomalies within science no matter what logic you bring to the table. Not saying your science is or isn't wrong, just seems to me like you haven't done enough investigating into the Honda-Penis ratio.

No. sorry. My science is never wrong.

http://cdn.runt-of-the-web.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/redneck-randal-meme-usa.jpg

No. sorry. My science is never wrong.
lol....

Dood my moms civic is so fast you don't want none. Shiznet she goes 0-100 in like 21 seconds, after the busted auto tranny decides to shift yo. Madd jdm fo show...yo...that wing adds downforce, that like, counteracts the massive drag it produces so wuts up d0od u wanna race? To the grocery store and back wuts good, I bet she gots more truck space too. #JDM

The sad thing is ^ that is about 97% of honda owners and thats why people hate them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY-CeuJt_14

here is the 60 roll, he kept trying to do a 40 again, but too much mexican traffic behind us.

The sad thing is ^ that is about 97% of honda owners and thats why people hate them.

Funny though right?

Stock b16 longblock (stock head port/head, stock valvetrain, stock cams, stock bottom end) on 10psi ive said it like 1000 times in here, please go back and read all of my posts instead of skimming through here. If your buddy makes 424 on a small turbo and switches to a bigger turbo on less psi but makes the same power it would have no affect on anything but the power curve characteristics (spool time etc...), it is still putting down the same power. The first thing to go on a stock b-series are its ringlands.IF you guys don't know anything about turbo cars why do you chime in? He has vids of it on his gopro, ill be at his house tonight ill upload the video if he hasn't deleted it. Believe what you want.

I still dont see your buddies b16 civic on 10 psi pushing 300whp or hanging with the car you said it has. As far as not knowing anything about turbos heres my previous car....

http://www.msprotege.com/members/TXMazdaSpeeder/mspshowpics2008/S5030493.jpg

238whp @ 10 psi on a GT25/28 Hybrid.

At the end of the day the guy with the most money is going to buy a UGR lambo and shit on anything and everything so I say build whatever the fuck you want lol.

Amen. I'm going to sell my rice rocket for a UGR TTG. King of roll racing.

Amen. I'm going to sell my rice rocket for a UGR TTG. King of roll racing.

I'll give you $25,000 and a Camaro.

I still dont see your buddies b16 civic on 10 psi pushing 300whp or hanging with the car you said it has. As far as not knowing anything about turbos heres my previous car....

http://www.msprotege.com/members/TXMazdaSpeeder/mspshowpics2008/S5030493.jpg

238whp @ 10 psi on a GT25/28 Hybrid.

That is terrible. Also my buddy was on a gt30r turbo. Why you are comparing dyno numbers of a Mazda to a Honda is ridiculous. Compression, head flow, turbo size is all reasons why the b16 made the power it made. Seriously just stop.


Also i could careless if you "cant see it" , bottom line it made the power and it went out and proved it on the street.

I'm confussed... who won cause dude in the vid said he let out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY-CeuJt_14

here is the 60 roll, he kept trying to do a 40 again, but too much mexican traffic behind us.

so I spoke with some more of my honda friends last night and gathered some info. They say on a STOCK b18 GSR, your average turbo @10psi is good for 320 or so. Interwebz seem to indicate 280-340, in that range. So a b16 would be even less. Again I'm not concerned with a stock full weight b series anything with 10psi.

You can claim different all you want. Truth is if I can find one and race it, I will and I will get it on video and I will post it up.

I'm confussed... who won cause dude in the vid said he let out...

He let out for traffic, just like I did. Race ended about that same spot as the first one, maybe a couple mph less. I won, but just barely. As you can see, he let out BEHIND me, making it a victory for myself.

I'm confussed... who won cause dude in the vid said he let out...

Coming back hard and let out, def needs a driver mod.


so I spoke with some more of my honda friends last night and gathered some info. They say on a STOCK b18 GSR, your average turbo @10psi is good for 320 or so. Interwebz seem to indicate 280-340, in that range. So a b16 would be even less. Again I'm not concerned with a stock full weight b series anything with 10psi.

You can claim different all you want. Truth is if I can find one and race it, I will and I will get it on video and I will post it up.

Most turbo Vtec motors make similar power (do to head flow and compression), when your on boost displacement doesn't matter. Its all about turbo size and psi. The motors that have trouble breaking the 3's on boost are the LS (b18b or b18a) and the B20s because of lower compression and worse headflow. My buddy had a gt30r dual ball bearing at 10psi.

That is terrible. Also my buddy was on a gt30r turbo. Why you are comparing dyno numbers of a Mazda to a Honda is ridiculous. Compression, head flow, turbo size is all reasons why the b16 made the power it made. Seriously just stop.


Also i could careless if you "cant see it" , bottom line it made the power and it went out and proved it on the street.

My stock LS made about the same amount of power at 10-11psi with a GT25/28r. Very fun, autox friendly. I miss it :cry:

My stock LS made about the same amount of power at 10-11psi with a GT25/28r. Very fun, autox friendly. I miss it :cry:

lol psssh look what you have now though! Honestly love the simplicity of a stock turbo b-series and the power they make, my buddy made low threes through a turd ebay cast log manifold.

Coming back hard and let out, def needs a driver mod.




Most turbo Vtec motors make similar power (do to head flow and compression), when your on boost displacement doesn't matter. Its all about turbo size and psi. The motors that have trouble breaking the 3's on boost are the LS (b18b or b18a) and the B20s because of lower compression and worse headflow. My buddy had a gt30r dual ball bearing at 10psi.

displacement does matter, Ill give it to ya probably not that much with .2 liters and most everything else being equal.

displacement does matter, Ill give it to ya probably not that much with .2 liters and most everything else being equal.

No it doesn't. All displacement does is change the way the turbo will spool. But power on a turbo motor is all based off of the turbo. Perfect example why do you think people turbo 4.8s and 5.3 LSx make 600 instead of turbo an LS1? Cheaper and literally on boost all displacement does is spool your turbo faster. What makes the power on a turbo motor is the turbo. Compression and headflow dictates how much boost you need to run through it to achieve the power though and guess what b16s and gsr heads flow VERY close to each other and make similar compression. Man ive been around ALOT of turbo hondas and if displacement mattered these things would NOT make the power they make on the PSI they make.

So if displacement doesn't matter, then why do big v8s with turbos have better powerbands than little 4 bangers?

So if displacement doesn't matter, then why do big v8s with turbos have better powerbands than little 4 bangers?

That is not what we are arguing. But i already covered that...Read. A V8 will ALWAYS have a broader power band than any smaller motors, its common sense.

Why does an X900 AMS Evo running twin 6265 at 35-40psi make 780awhp, yet a TT V8 with same turbo at 10psi will make 700rwhp?

Why does an X900 AMS Evo running twin 6265 at 35-40psi make 780awhp, yet a TT V8 with same turbo at 10psi will make 700rwhp?

:lol:

That is not what we are arguing. But i already covered that...Read. A V8 will ALWAYS have a broader power band than any smaller motors, its common sense.

Right....and guess the reason....displacement!! Sure, anything with the right amount of boost can make 1000 peak hp, but a smaller motor won't make it where it matters like a bigger motor will (Less TQ also). Displacement does make a difference.

Why does an X900 AMS Evo running twin 6265 at 35-40psi make 780awhp, yet a TT V8 with same turbo at 10psi will make 700rwhp?


Read that wrong. AMS's evo is not twin turbo by the way. Also comparing dyno numbers of an AWD car to a rwd is idiotic. 2ssderp has done it again.


Right....and guess the reason....displacement!! Sure, anything with the right amount of boost can make 1000 peak hp, but a smaller motor won't make it where it matters like a bigger motor will (Less TQ also). Displacement does make a difference.

We are not talking powerband here, like i said go back and read please.

But since i apparently need to dumb it down for you here.


Okay a turbo motor makes power when the turbo spools correct? Which motor on lets say for example on a 70mm journal bearing turbo will spool the turbo faster, an LS1 (5.7l) or a b16 (1.6l)? Ding ding ding the LS1, the power will come in faster (broader powerband) But lets put the correct size turbo that is dual ball bearing on a b16 that will spool VERY early, Now what do you have? A broad powerband aswell? See what im getting at? A turbo motor rely's solely on the turbo, like i previously stated. For example look at srt4s on stock turbo srt4s they will make 100+wtrq more than they will HP. They are only 2.4l Why? because they have a tiny turbo that spools fast.


On a turbo motor its all about the turbo and turbo setup, not the displacement.

Edit: This isn't the 90s we have technology to help with spool rate.

Your dumb.

Your dumb.
No, you're dumb. :thumb:

lol psssh look what you have now though! Honestly love the simplicity of a stock turbo b-series and the power they make, my buddy made low threes through a turd ebay cast log manifold.

Still stock LS head (with cams but still lol).

But cars with powerbands that can turn are more fun. Hence the next car being a Vette or NSX If I can find one at a reasonable price.

Fuck Honda's.

You're a grammar nazi.

Fuck Honda's.

at 10psi hondas would smoke you bro.

Most powerful hondas right now are 1.8 or 2.0...not smart to make big numbers with bigger pistons or more travel on a 4 banger. More displacement = more torque, becausr you can compress more air. There's a lot that goes into it though. The heads flow plays a huge roll, along with minimizing overlap periods...etc etc.

at 10psi hondas would smoke you bro.

I know that why I am trading for a 2006 civic si VTEC baby...

I know that why I am trading for a 2006 civic si VTEC baby...

If I send you the money can you buy a matching car for me so we can be VTEC butt buddies?

If I send you the money can you buy a matching car for me so we can be VTEC butt buddies?

Hell yeah..vtec rules biatch.

This all reminds me of when I was looking for a used LS1 on craigslist. Saw one for sale and called on it. Asked the kid about it and he starts talking about how it comes with a header, and other parts that only a 4 banger would have. I go, "so is this a V8?" He laughs and says "Oh, your looking for the muscle car motor...I get a lot of guys that think this is it. This is a honda motor."

I said "Oh, well I wanted the real motor. Thanks anyways" and hung up. Never heard of a honda engine being referred to as an "LS1".


And Adamantium, I'm thinking you are now LS1tech's official honda nutswinger. Hooray!

:corn: :sack:

I don't care how fast those Hondas are, I wouldn't be able to listen to that exhaust for more than a few minutes at a time.

Read that wrong. AMS's evo is not twin turbo by the way. Also comparing dyno numbers of an AWD car to a rwd is idiotic. 2ssderp has done it again.




We are not talking powerband here, like i said go back and read please.

But since i apparently need to dumb it down for you here.


Okay a turbo motor makes power when the turbo spools correct? Which motor on lets say for example on a 70mm journal bearing turbo will spool the turbo faster, an LS1 (5.7l) or a b16 (1.6l)? Ding ding ding the LS1, the power will come in faster (broader powerband) But lets put the correct size turbo that is dual ball bearing on a b16 that will spool VERY early, Now what do you have? A broad powerband aswell? See what im getting at? A turbo motor rely's solely on the turbo, like i previously stated. For example look at srt4s on stock turbo srt4s they will make 100+wtrq more than they will HP. They are only 2.4l Why? because they have a tiny turbo that spools fast.


On a turbo motor its all about the turbo and turbo setup, not the displacement.

Edit: This isn't the 90s we have technology to help with spool rate.

I didn't feel like reading through 2 previous pages full of "brah", but I see what you meant (yes, I'm admitting I'm wrong :hail:)
































:lol:

I must say...

I have a 06 C6 Z06 with an intake and tune, and have been searching for a forum that deals with mostly LS engines and internals, looking to find out more information in lamens terms about how I should go about improving the performance of my car. Found this forum, and the LS sections is..well.. a bit lackluster.

THEN, I find this subforum, and THIS thread... holy crap! There's a serious amount of retardation going, especially from the girls saying that a properly built honda isn't fast... lol.

I use my car for what it is "often", and have yet to see a properly built honda. I'm all for seeing what's what, and especially when a heavy ass camaro that weighs 1500 lbs more than a civic making just 60 whp more thinks he's faster. LOL

^ riveting tale chap.

Thanks lol. It's pretty amusing from the sidelines (this whole thread)!

I'm pretty amused too. I guess I shouldn't race Hondas cause they all trap 150 with 167whp.

I must say...

I have a 06 C6 Z06 with an intake and tune, and have been searching for a forum that deals with mostly LS engines and internals, looking to find out more information in lamens terms about how I should go about improving the performance of my car. Found this forum, and the LS sections is..well.. a bit lackluster.

THEN, I find this subforum, and THIS thread... holy crap! There's a serious amount of retardation going, especially from the girls saying that a properly built honda isn't fast... lol.

I use my car for what it is "often", and have yet to see a properly built honda. I'm all for seeing what's what, and especially when a heavy ass camaro that weighs 1500 lbs more than a civic making just 60 whp more thinks he's faster. LOL

:huh:

So your trying to tell me that a properly built LSX 454 running 10 psi wont make more than i properly built B16 on 10 psi?

So your trying to tell me that a properly built LSX 454 running 10 psi wont make more than i properly built B16 on 10 psi?

Are you dumb? Even if they did make the same HP, the torque and powerband from the LSx would crush the B16. HOWEVER, what a lot of you guys (that just hump the V8s) seem to be missing is that weight is a SERIOUS competitor. A properly build C6 Z06 vs a properly built B16 from a roll, say 60-150? Hard to come by if both can get traction.

Weight is a serious factor, and can make up for a lot. Perfect example...

A Camaro making 100whp more than a turbo S2K.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMPoOp2Ppek&feature=BFa&list=PLF4E903F6C02853F6

Keep in mind dyno numbers are always relative, and they most likely have not been dyno'd on the same car at the same day, in the same timeframe. There are numerous videos of lightweight cars done RIGHT that can hang with the faster, higher hp, heavier cars out there. Bench racing is fun!

Read that wrong. AMS's evo is not twin turbo by the way. Also comparing dyno numbers of an AWD car to a rwd is idiotic. 2ssderp has done it again.




We are not talking powerband here, like i said go back and read please.

But since i apparently need to dumb it down for you here.


Okay a turbo motor makes power when the turbo spools correct? Which motor on lets say for example on a 70mm journal bearing turbo will spool the turbo faster, an LS1 (5.7l) or a b16 (1.6l)? Ding ding ding the LS1, the power will come in faster (broader powerband) But lets put the correct size turbo that is dual ball bearing on a b16 that will spool VERY early, Now what do you have? A broad powerband aswell? See what im getting at? A turbo motor rely's solely on the turbo, like i previously stated. For example look at srt4s on stock turbo srt4s they will make 100+wtrq more than they will HP. They are only 2.4l Why? because they have a tiny turbo that spools fast.


On a turbo motor its all about the turbo and turbo setup, not the displacement.

Edit: This isn't the 90s we have technology to help with spool rate.

Displacement doesnt matter? The engine is what makes the power here, remember that. In an ideal environment, an engine that makes more power N/A will make more power on boost. And increasing psi will not always make more power. If the engines built to handle it, youll come to a point where the compressor or the hotside is out of the efficiency range. It will eventually just start blowing hot air or choking the exhaust.

And a bigger turbo wont always make more power at the same psi either. Like I said, remember that the engine is whats making the power. 10psi is still 10psi in a given displacement(say 5.7L) if the turbo is in its efficiency range(youll have to check out the compressor/turbine maps to determine). It doesnt matter if its coming from twin 67s or a single 94. Its still the same volume of air with more MASS. Turbos DO NOT increase flow, or CFM. Hence why compressor maps are read in "lbs/min". The ONLY time a bigger turbo will make more power at the same boost is if the current turbo is out of its efficiency range on the cold/hotside, ie its making too much backpressure or heating up the air too much on the cold side.


What you are basically saying is that turbos are a replacement for displacement, remember that saying? Turbos are not a replacement, and displacement definitely still matters. The accepted rule in ideal conditions is that 7.35psi = 50% gain in power, 14.7psi = 100% gain in power, and so on. So if you start out with a LS3 making 425hp, and a B18 at 200hp, with the proper turbo setup on each, the LS3 will always make more power at the same psi. Turbos DO NOT increase volumetric flow, only mass flow. So if you start with an engine that has a higher volumetric flow(given a proper heads/cam setup), do you think that it wont make more power than a smaller engine that flows less, if both are at the same boost? Because thats the way I took what youre saying.

And please, can we hold off on the insults/name calling? I realize thats too much to ask for in SR&K, but if you want to get technical keep it professional.

Do you guys run back to your dollar genaral parking lots and grab all your friends "Doodz, people b dizrespectin on us Honda guys" and run back to your parents bsement to take the time and sign up on LS1 tech to jump into a conversation about engines smaller than a pop? Captain dipshit up above said Displacement dosnt matter. I asked a simple question and you took it like i was serious. THERE IS A REASON TOP FUEL DRAGSTERS ARE NOT 4cyls. If displacement didnt matter, they would run mountain dew bottles to save weight.

So your trying to tell me that a properly built LSX 454 running 10 psi wont make more than i properly built B16 on 10 psi?

Also, perfect point. Unsure of the HP on the Integra, but it doesn't sound like he has any traction problems. If the Z06 was driven right (in 2nd at 60), that integra is pretty damn fast to pull like that on a C6Z at that speed. 2-3-4 in a Z06 is ridiculous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRx8lG69IeY&feature=related

Another video, same cars, 40 roll. Traction problems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwrel&NR=1&v=6SdG3mMCIYk

Edit #3: Aannddd.. why weight is probably more important than horsepower. Had a little fun with a friends LS3 Cam + boltons FD RX7 weighing 2750 or so with driver vs my C6Z at 3300 w/ me. He made 420 on a dynapack, I made 448 on a low reading mustang dyno (500 on a dynojet with correction for an intake/tune C6Z). Other than the lurch I had from the start, we were dead even. Even with me making a benchmark guess of 357 whp on the mustang dyno (15-20% difference in dynos), he hung with me simply because he weighed nearly 600 pounds less.

I should be playing with a 460 whp RX7 sometime soon (if I can get in contact with him). If he's been tuned on a dynapack, I think he'll pull me, until I install the LS7R Texas Speed cam later this month. We'll see!

I must say...

I have a 06 C6 Z06 with an intake and tune, and have been searching for a forum that deals with mostly LS engines and internals, looking to find out more information in lamens terms about how I should go about improving the performance of my car. Found this forum, and the LS sections is..well.. a bit lackluster.

THEN, I find this subforum, and THIS thread... holy crap! There's a serious amount of retardation going, especially from the girls saying that a properly built honda isn't fast... lol.

I use my car for what it is "often", and have yet to see a properly built honda. I'm all for seeing what's what, and especially when a heavy ass camaro that weighs 1500 lbs more than a civic making just 60 whp more thinks he's faster. LOL

The LS sections are lackluster on here? You have 0 posts man. Meaning youve only posted in SR&K most likely. If you want help on something, you atleast gotta speak up. I think youre dismissing it a bit too early. On yellowbullet, one of the biggest drag racing forums out there I might say, I have seen MANY people say "go to LS1tech" in reply to people looking for help on a LSx. LS1tech is touted as one of the best places for LSx tech help on the net from what Ive seen. Maybe try asking some questions man, its a lot more formal in the tech sections than in here.

I didn't feel like reading through 2 previous pages full of "brah", but I see what you meant (yes, I'm admitting I'm wrong :hail:)

Must suck to have a honda guy teach you how things work huh?

Displacement doesnt matter? The engine is what makes the power here, remember that. In an ideal environment, an engine that makes more power N/A will make more power on boost. And increasing psi will not always make more power. If the engines built to handle it, youll come to a point where the compressor or the hotside is out of the efficiency range. It will eventually just start blowing hot air or choking the exhaust.



Which is why you have to pair the setup with the right turbo, but if what you are saying is right then why would the turbo be maxed out and the setup stop making power if what (from what you claim) "the engine is what makes the power here". Sorry on a turbo setup the turbo dictates EVERYTHING.



And a bigger turbo wont always make more power at the same psi either. Like I said, remember that the engine is whats making the power. 10psi is still 10psi in a given displacement(say 5.7L) if the turbo is in its efficiency range(youll have to check out the compressor/turbine maps to determine). It doesnt matter if its coming from twin 67s or a single 94. Its still the same volume of air with more MASS. Turbos DO NOT increase flow, or CFM. Hence why compressor maps are read in "lbs/min". The ONLY time a bigger turbo will make more power at the same boost is if the current turbo is out of its efficiency range on the cold/hotside, ie its making too much backpressure or heating up the air too much on the cold side.


A bigger turbo will 90% of the time make more power at a lower psi because if you have read turbo maps they usually move more air. SO your going to sit here and tell me (for example) an HX35 will flow more air than an hx40? A bigger turbo will more than half the time have a better flow rate than a smaller turbo, More room for air to go in.

What you are basically saying is that turbos are a replacement for displacement, remember that saying? Turbos are not a replacement, and displacement definitely still matters. The accepted rule in ideal conditions is that 7.35psi = 50% gain in power, 14.7psi = 100% gain in power, and so on. So if you start out with a LS3 making 425hp, and a B18 at 200hp, with the proper turbo setup on each, the LS3 will always make more power at the same psi. Turbos DO NOT increase volumetric flow, only mass flow. So if you start with an engine that has a higher volumetric flow(given a proper heads/cam setup), do you think that it wont make more power than a smaller engine that flows less, if both are at the same boost? Because thats the way I took what youre saying.

And please, can we hold off on the insults/name calling? I realize thats too much to ask for in SR&K, but if you want to get technical keep it professional.

No go back and read my claim, what i am saying is that a turbo setup is all based on the turbo. Displacement DOES NOT AFFECT ANYTHING all it is there for is to hold the power and all it really effects is spool rate. If not explain to me what ELSE can having greater displacement contribute to a turbo setup? You just need a bottom end to that can hold x amount of power and a turbo that will breath till x amount of power. If that was the case then rotaries and other small engines WOULD NOT make power, displacement is an aid for spool time. That is all. What are you trying or attempting to prove?


For example my friends k20 on pump made 540 on 16psi that is 20.62500HP per PSI of boost OVER its stock amount of power. That is an efficient motor but how? its only a 2.0? Apparently displacement is everything.

I must say...

I have a 06 C6 Z06 with an intake and tune, and have been searching for a forum that deals with mostly LS engines and internals, looking to find out more information in lamens terms about how I should go about improving the performance of my car. Found this forum, and the LS sections is..well.. a bit lackluster.

THEN, I find this subforum, and THIS thread... holy crap! There's a serious amount of retardation going, especially from the girls saying that a properly built honda isn't fast... lol.

I use my car for what it is "often", and have yet to see a properly built honda. I'm all for seeing what's what, and especially when a heavy ass camaro that weighs 1500 lbs more than a civic making just 60 whp more thinks he's faster. LOL

u mad urpiee of shit fucking c6a is slwoing than my amaro fggots yeah im fucasted than you.

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A properly built C6Z vs a properly built integra? Really? Ive seen bolt on and spray c6z RAPE fully built big turbo integras. A properly built c6z would take a properly built integra, bend it over and go in dry.

well i guess somebody needs to call up NHRA and send them over to Small penis tech, that way they know there doing it wrong all these years. Ya know, because displacement doesnt matter......

Good thing he has a turbo or hed be dead. Could have cleared the whole building with 1.6 liter though...

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For example my friends k20 on pump made 540 on 16psi that is 20.62500HP per PSI of boost OVER its stock amount of power. That is an efficient motor but how? its only a 2.0? Apparently displacement is everything.

So maybe big turbo Pro Mod cars should start running 4 bangers to save weight since apparently they can make the same exact power on 120 c.i. as they can on big inch v8s??

omfg... after reading just the last 2 pages... I hate humanity. Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck... OK honda guys... duplicate this in a honda. The only thing that makes this car not fully streetable... is one of the tail lights out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL2su8eMEIc

Yea a properly built honda will beat a properly built c6 z06. GTFO! If you want to talk properly built... then the rear tires would be doing the pushing. Not the front tires doing the pulling. Study physics.. forget brand loyalty. Just study physics. Until then... stfu and gtfo. kthnxbye

A bigger turbo will 90% of the time make more power at a lower psi because if you have read turbo maps they usually move more air. SO your going to sit here and tell me (for example) an HX35 will flow more air than an hx40? A bigger turbo will more than half the time have a better flow rate than a smaller turbo, More room for air to go in.

False. X engine/turbo at X pressure ratio is going to produce X flow. Putting a bigger turbo on it doesnt change that calculation.

But a bigger turbo wont heat up the air as much when it is compressed meaning the flow is more condensed and will make more power.



No go back and read my claim, what i am saying is that a turbo setup is all based on the turbo. Displacement DOES NOT AFFECT ANYTHING all it is there for is to hold the power and all it really effects is spool rate. If not explain to me what ELSE can having greater displacement contribute to a turbo setup? You just need a bottom end to that can hold x amount of power and a turbo that will breath till x amount of power. If that was the case then rotaries and other small engines WOULD NOT make power, displacement is an aid for spool time. That is all. What are you trying or attempting to prove?


A bigger engine is also going to flow more air and be able to produce more power with less boost. But that goes into the equation for sizing a turbo.

CI * EFF * .5 * RPM / 1724 = CFM

Multiply by 0.07 to get lb/min (roughly). Plot that on compressor maps at varying RPMs.

So my engine:

121 cubic inches * (lets say 90% eff at redline) .9 * .5 (has to do with 4 cycle engine cant remember) * 8500rpm / 1724 (conversion) = 268 CFM out of boost. Multiply by pressure ratio, (14.7+20lbs / 20lbs) = 268 * 2.36 = 632 CFM = 44.28 lb/min. Usually every lb/min is 10whp. So thats pretty damn close to my SAE number of 455whp.

omfg... after reading just the last 2 pages... I hate humanity. Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck... OK honda guys... duplicate this in a honda. The only thing that makes this car not fully streetable... is one of the tail lights out.

Yea a properly built honda will beat a properly built c6 z06. GTFO! If you want to talk properly built... then the rear tires would be doing the pushing. Not the front tires doing the pulling. Study physics.. forget brand loyalty. Just study physics. Until then... stfu and gtfo. kthnxbye

Is that your car? No. So you stfu and gtfo.

When YOU build the car, and YOU run the time, you can talk all the shit you want.

But most of the time people who have cars like that dont talk shit because they truly understand its really not as simple as Youtube videos make it out to be to go fast.

Is that your car? No. So you stfu and gtfo.

When YOU build the car, and YOU run the time, you can talk all the shit you want.

But most of the time people who have cars like that dont talk shit because they truly understand its really not as simple as Youtube videos make it out to be to go fast.

who said its as easy as youtube videos... i was referring it to the honda nut swingers arguing hondas are faster then c6 z06s properly built for properly built. You seem to be the only honda guy on this site who gets it. And i HAVE built cars and DO understand it. Just because i dont own the z06 above, does not negate that i may have a clue as to what im talking about. Its aggitating as fuck to see the idiocy in this thread. I cant stand it when people jump onto other peoples boards and preach perfection from there desired car brand. I mean since when does peak power beat power through the curve??

Engine size + afr+psi-tire size+penis size*8-number of wives+kids-school fund/type of cellphone = power.

This formula gives me 874rwhp.

Engine size + afr+psi-tire size+penis size*8-number of wives+kids-school fund/type of cellphone = power.

This formula gives me 874rwhp.

Baddest mother fucker + rpm + afr + giant penis + sex in the mouth + physics + powershift = mach 1

More fuel, more air = bigger bang.

Doesn't matter if you force feed it in because, More fuel, more air = bigger bang

What has more capability for the above? 5.7L or 2.0? This argument is stupid. THE ONLY REASON A HONDA CAN BE FAST IS BECUASE OF WEIGHT, nothing more. Slap that 2.0 into a camaro and go run 20+ quarters, slap that LS1 out of the camaro into the honda and go run sub 10`s.

who said its as easy as youtube videos... i was referring it to the honda nut swingers arguing hondas are faster then c6 z06s properly built for properly built. You seem to be the only honda guy on this site who gets it. And i HAVE built cars and DO understand it. Just because i dont own the z06 above, does not negate that i may have a clue as to what im talking about. Its aggitating as fuck to see the idiocy in this thread. I cant stand it when people jump onto other peoples boards and preach perfection from there desired car brand. I mean since when does peak power beat power through the curve??

Im not arguing that. Nor am I swinging from any brands nuts. I just happen to own a Honda.

And my comment on the power through the curve thing is, your gearing dictates where your power band should be. If the honda makes the power from 6-9k and its gearing puts it there after the shift, it doesnt matter that the vettes power band is from 1-6k. The vette is just more fun to drive lol.

False. X engine/turbo at X pressure ratio is going to produce X flow. Putting a bigger turbo on it doesnt change that calculation.

But a bigger turbo wont heat up the air as much when it is compressed meaning the flow is more condensed and will make more power.


I see.



A bigger engine is also going to flow more air and be able to produce more power with less boost. But that goes into the equation for sizing a turbo.

CI * EFF * .5 * RPM / 1724 = CFM

Multiply by 0.07 to get lb/min (roughly). Plot that on compressor maps at varying RPMs.

So my engine:

121 cubic inches * (lets say 90% eff at redline) .9 * .5 (has to do with 4 cycle engine cant remember) * 8500rpm / 1724 (conversion) = 268 CFM out of boost. Multiply by pressure ratio, (14.7+20lbs / 20lbs) = 268 * 2.36 = 632 CFM = 44.28 lb/min. Usually every lb/min is 10whp. So thats pretty damn close to my SAE number of 455whp.

what calculation is this for? To see what power you produce at the psi you plan on running?


who said its as easy as youtube videos... i was referring it to the honda nut swingers arguing hondas are faster then c6 z06s properly built for properly built. You seem to be the only honda guy on this site who gets it. And i HAVE built cars and DO understand it. Just because i dont own the z06 above, does not negate that i may have a clue as to what im talking about. Its aggitating as fuck to see the idiocy in this thread. I cant stand it when people jump onto other peoples boards and preach perfection from there desired car brand. I mean since when does peak power beat power through the curve??

no one is preaching perfection, jesus. No one on here knows wtf is going on. I simply told the GTO owner what the civic most likely would or wouldn't have. He choose not to believe it, so i brought evidence that is all. The rest you can thank 2ssderp.

^ you didn't bring "evidence" of anything. You posted a couple youtube videos and made some claims. I could do that same but I choose not to sink down to that level.

Must suck to have a honda guy teach you how things work huh?



Which is why you have to pair the setup with the right turbo, but if what you are saying is right then why would the turbo be maxed out and the setup stop making power if what (from what you claim) "the engine is what makes the power here". Sorry on a turbo setup the turbo dictates EVERYTHING.




A bigger turbo will 90% of the time make more power at a lower psi because if you have read turbo maps they usually move more air. SO your going to sit here and tell me (for example) an HX35 will flow more air than an hx40? A bigger turbo will more than half the time have a better flow rate than a smaller turbo, More room for air to go in.


No go back and read my claim, what i am saying is that a turbo setup is all based on the turbo. Displacement DOES NOT AFFECT ANYTHING all it is there for is to hold the power and all it really effects is spool rate. If not explain to me what ELSE can having greater displacement contribute to a turbo setup? You just need a bottom end to that can hold x amount of power and a turbo that will breath till x amount of power. If that was the case then rotaries and other small engines WOULD NOT make power, displacement is an aid for spool time. That is all. What are you trying or attempting to prove?


For example my friends k20 on pump made 540 on 16psi that is 20.62500HP per PSI of boost OVER its stock amount of power. That is an efficient motor but how? its only a 2.0? Apparently displacement is everything.

You basically said it yourself right there, if the turbo dictated everything, then why is the engine efficient or not efficient when the turbo goes on? Once the turbo goes on, the engine/cyl head/etc becomes meaningless right? All you need is a strong bottom end right? It doesnt matter how restrictive the heads or intake are I thought? Youre contradicting yourself in trying to defend your statement. Power per psi doesnt have a damn thing to do with how big the turbo is as long as its in an efficient place of the comp map. "That is an efficient motor", Im not saying it is or isnt, that has nothing to do with it. But, you basically agreed with what Im trying to tell you right there.

Jesus man you have no idea what I was saying and what it meant. Are you really saying the turbo is what makes the power? So take the turbo off the engine and see what it does. Nothing!

Your "displacement means nothing" saying may make you feel better, but its simply not true. Yes, the engine is what makes the power, how is that hard to understand? Youre misunderstanding what Im saying. Just because at a certain power level, increasing boost will not help, does not mean that the turbo dictates everything. Put the same turbo setup on a 50cc pitbike and tell me it will make the same power.

I dont even care to argue with you, you think youre right and not trying to learn anything. Ill say it one more time though. Please read my previous post, this post, and lightningteg`s, and take it to heart that your logic is flawed here and me and lightningteg are correct.

Youre thinking about it all wrong man. TURBOS DO NOT INCREASE VOLUMETRIC FLOW, THATS IMPOSSIBLE. Hence, what lightning was saying, in a given engine size Xpsi is Xpsi, no matter what size turbo is on it. The only time a bigger turbo will make more power is if the charge is cooler, in which many times it is. You are mistakenly thinking that turbos increase the CFM going into the engine, which would be a displacement imitator. Thats not how it works. Turbos increase mass flow, meaning its the same CFM going in, but more mass, or lbs/min. Just think about that for a second.

Since turbos dont increase volumetric flow only mass flow, an engine with a larger volume, that has more volumetric flow, will make much more power at a given pressure.

To put it in laymen terms that youll hopefully understand, take for instance a BAE 526ci(8.7L) Hemi Pro Mod engine, and a K20 2.0L. If both engines are at 10psi, think about how much more air is going in the BAE than the Honda volume-wise, it takes much more to fill 8.7L with 10psi than 2.0L at 10psi. Theres a much higher "quantity" of air going in. Its like youre thinking of boost pressure as equal to volumetric flow, which many people do.

Todd Tutterows new ADRL P/X car, is using a BAE 526 Hemi with twin experimental 98mm turbos, and his sponsor, Precision Turbo & Engine, said his engine is making around 4400hp. If displacement really didnt matter, then freaking show me a Honda 4cyl making 4400hp. Or better yet, show me a 4cyl running 5s in the 1/4 or 3s in the 1/8 in a doorslammer.

Your argument is ridiculous man. Lightningteg told you you are wrong, but since he has a teg youre just going to act like you didnt see that and keep on. Ive said my piece, and hopefully youll take this for what it is and learn more about a subject before you try to speak on it insulting people the whole way.

great post!

You basically said it yourself right there, if the turbo dictated everything, then why is the engine efficient or not efficient when the turbo goes on? Once the turbo goes on, the engine/cyl head/etc becomes meaningless right? All you need is a strong bottom end right? It doesnt matter how restrictive the heads or intake are I thought? Youre contradicting yourself in trying to defend your statement. Power per psi doesnt have a damn thing to do with how big the turbo is as long as its in an efficient place of the comp map. "That is an efficient motor", Im not saying it is or isnt, that has nothing to do with it. But, you basically agreed with what Im trying to tell you right there.

Jesus man you have no idea what I was saying and what it meant. Are you really saying the turbo is what makes the power? So take the turbo off the engine and see what it does. Nothing!

Your "displacement means nothing" saying may make you feel better, but its simply not true. Yes, the engine is what makes the power, how is that hard to understand? Youre misunderstanding what Im saying. Just because at a certain power level, increasing boost will not help, does not mean that the turbo dictates everything. Put the same turbo setup on a 50cc pitbike and tell me it will make the same power.

I dont even care to argue with you, you think youre right and not trying to learn anything. Ill say it one more time though. Please read my previous post, this post, and lightningteg`s, and take it to heart that your logic is flawed here and me and lightningteg are correct.

Youre thinking about it all wrong man. TURBOS DO NOT INCREASE VOLUMETRIC FLOW, THATS IMPOSSIBLE. Hence, what lightning was saying, in a given engine size Xpsi is Xpsi, no matter what size turbo is on it. The only time a bigger turbo will make more power is if the charge is cooler, in which many times it is. You are mistakenly thinking that turbos increase the CFM going into the engine, which would be a displacement imitator. Thats not how it works. Turbos increase mass flow, meaning its the same CFM going in, but more mass, or lbs/min. Just think about that for a second.

Since turbos dont increase volumetric flow only mass flow, an engine with a larger volume, that has more volumetric flow, will make much more power at a given pressure.

To put it in laymen terms that youll hopefully understand, take for instance a BAE 526ci(8.7L) Hemi Pro Mod engine, and a K20 2.0L. If both engines are at 10psi, think about how much more air is going in the BAE than the Honda volume-wise, it takes much more to fill 8.7L with 10psi than 2.0L at 10psi. Theres a much higher "quantity" of air going in. Its like youre thinking of boost pressure as equal to volumetric flow, which many people do.

Todd Tutterows new ADRL P/X car, is using a BAE 526 Hemi with twin experimental 98mm turbos, and his sponsor, Precision Turbo & Engine, said his engine is making around 4400hp. If displacement really didnt matter, then freaking show me a Honda 4cyl making 4400hp. Or better yet, show me a 4cyl running 5s in the 1/4 or 3s in the 1/8 in a doorslammer.

Your argument is ridiculous man. Lightningteg told you you are wrong, but since he has a teg youre just going to act like you didnt see that and keep on. Ive said my piece, and hopefully youll take this for what it is and learn more about a subject before you try to speak on it insulting people the whole way.

Yep, thats what we call owned.

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LOL at whoever said displacement doesn't matter. They have no idea.

No it doesn't. All displacement does is change the way the turbo will spool. But power on a turbo motor is all based off of the turbo. Perfect example why do you think people turbo 4.8s and 5.3 LSx make 600 instead of turbo an LS1? Cheaper and literally on boost all displacement does is spool your turbo faster. What makes the power on a turbo motor is the turbo. Compression and headflow dictates how much boost you need to run through it to achieve the power though and guess what b16s and gsr heads flow VERY close to each other and make similar compression. Man ive been around ALOT of turbo hondas and if displacement mattered these things would NOT make the power they make on the PSI they make.

Thats would be this dipshit.

Displacement definitely matters. What some people mean, but sometimes don't know how to say, is that the displacement does not always dictate power level or potential.

Displacement definitely matters. What some people mean, but sometimes don't know how to say, is that the displacement does not always dictate power level or potential.



You mean for example a 2.0L s2000 being faster than a 4.6L mustang? :drive:

I keed.

Something like that :lol:

V8s ultimately have more potential for HP/tq than i4s...some i4s are just really cheap and easy to build to move faster than a v8 in a heavy car. A v8 in a rwd vehicle has a better chance than a wrong wheel drive with an i4...traction + tq = acceleration. A b/k series Honda motor is just cheap and easy to build comparatively, in a lighter platform. Nuff said?
Displacement = tq

My honda friends always said the best honda is one that stays at 400whp or less.

My honda friends always said the best honda is one that stays at 400whp or less.

On street tires yes, also stock gears like breaking after 500+...on the street without slicks, 400 is a good place to be at. There's a lot that goes into it.

V8s ultimately have more potential for HP/tq than i4s...some i4s are just really cheap and easy to build to move faster than a v8 in a heavy car. A v8 in a rwd vehicle has a better chance than a wrong wheel drive with an i4...traction + tq = acceleration. A b/k series Honda motor is just cheap and easy to build comparatively, in a lighter platform. Nuff said?
Displacement = tq

Im not trying to argue with you on that one because I get where you're coming from. But I have had friends who have built various I4's and to get the same output as mine and my friends fbodies gtos and vettes theyve had to spend alot more money. I suppose if you factor in the original purchase price of the car its cheaper. But hey. I will always say if you want to go fast for cheap go buy a early 70's nova and a big block. You'll run 10's for less than $6k.

Im not trying to argue with you on that one because I get where you're coming from. But I have had friends who have built various I4's and to get the same output as mine and my friends fbodies gtos and vettes theyve had to spend alot more money. I suppose if you factor in the original purchase price of the car its cheaper. But hey. I will always say if you want to go fast for cheap go buy a early 70's nova and a big block. You'll run 10's for less than $6k.

Depends on your build, my original build cost me barely 4k...hookups not included. Really depends on where you get everything from, what you get and how much or how bad you fuck up lol

Where the fuck did adadouchbag go after that guy owned him?

Where the fuck did adadouchbag go after that guy owned him?

Eeh he just got a little mixed up, shit happens. He knows more than a lot of people i know around here and is pretty unbiased(very uncommon). But not everyone knows everything.