Multimedia Exchange - Evloution Performances 13 GT500....... WOW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHxEUA0W7nQ
This car is a claimed exhaust, Drag Raidal, and tune olny car and if so this is impressive!

yea that car looks like its going to be no bs, and evolution performance is top dog in the late model mustang street stuff

110 1/8th is moving

what do these cars cost new?? and does it seem like theres a wide spread from 2nd to 3rd gear,like 3rd is a long gear or something?Anyways badass cars,i would buy one before the camaro any day

what do these cars cost new?? and does it seem like theres a wide spread from 2nd to 3rd gear,like 3rd is a long gear or something?Anyways badass cars,i would buy one before the camaro any day

The car will do 60 mph in just 1st gear, and I was still in 3rd at 140 mph. It felt, dare I say it, tame.

geared long to please the EPA and their gas mileage regulations





FUEL ECONOMY
2013 FORD SHELBY GT500 TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
Rear-wheel drive, longitudinal orientation
Tremec TR6060 six-speed manual

2.66
1.82
1.30
1.00
0.77
0.50

3.31:1

Not to nitpick, but it was on slicks and skinnies, not drag radials. Bolt ons could be a pulley as well. Rather vague in the "standard " bolt ons. Still insane.

Not to nitpick, but it was on slicks and skinnies, not drag radials. Still insane.

and some good unleaded race gas i bet (shell URT ADVANCED)

The car had a decent amount more then what is claimed, suspension, full exhaust(long tubes and midpipe), pulley, tune, intake etc.

Still fast and still not crazily modded.

The car had a decent amount more then what is claimed, suspension, full exhaust(long tubes and midpipe), pulley, tune, intake etc.

Still fast and still not crazily modded.

+gears

still fast for basic mods doe

Not to nitpick, but it was on slicks and skinnies, not drag radials.

I Agree with this as well. It is a nit pick but IMO ( Which no one cares ) Drag Radials means you put a tire on the stock wheels. Pretty decent difference over bias plys on bogarts. Again just my opinion.

The sound of that thing is just.... It's internal combustion bliss.

my bad on the Drag raidal statement, i was just wondering if u guys knew what all was done to it other than what i picked up on, dont know much about the ford stuff, i just found it amazing that a stock internal engine car can run in the 9s.

my bad on the Drag raidal statement, i was just wondering if u guys knew what all was done to it other than what i picked up on, dont know much about the ford stuff, i just found it amazing that a stock internal engine car can run in the 9s.

many different engines have accomplished this in their respected chassis.

If chevy had a blower... oh wait

Loving the GT500 and ZL1. Both are awesome cars. There are going to be some serious grudge racing coming soon between these 2. Especially when they both start getting modded heavily.

Don't get why people are surprised its a 355ci motor with a 2.3 blower with almost 20psi it's gonna be REAL F'ING FAST!!!!:drive::cheers:

Don't get why people are surprised its a 355ci motor with a 2.3 blower with almost 20psi it's gonna be REAL F'ING FAST!!!!:drive::cheers:

:werd::usa:

Trap Speed looks very similar to the Livernois ZL1, would be interesting to see how things pan out with a bigger blower on the ZL1 and a little weight reduction!!

I Agree with this as well. It is a nit pick but IMO ( Which no one cares ) Drag Radials means you put a tire on the stock wheels. Pretty decent difference over bias plys on bogarts. Again just my opinion.

It does? Tell that to the guys making 2,000hp running drag radial classes.

its gonna come out in next months magazine but its probly along the line of mods as lethals gt500,but this one had actual drag radials,tune,mide pipe and 150shot..10.5s@141 1.8' on drag radials

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/front-page-news-143/862599-lethal-injection-nitrous-powered-2013-svt-shelby-gt500.html

It does? Tell that to the guys making 2,000hp running drag radial classes.

Agreed, I don't think there are too many people running drag radials on 19"+ wheels that have the option of running smaller wheels.

Damn!

Good god! That's insane!!

Badass car! Something doesn't add up though. Another shop put 150 shot on theirs and ran 10.0 @ 139

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Ec1FZaRq4]Shelby

Badass car! Something doesn't add up though. Another shop put 150 shot on theirs and ran 10.0 @ 139



Just because you increase hp, doesn't mean you decrease ET

I think there are some "overlooked" mods on this GT500. :nod: Kind of like the racing brakes for weight reduction and fitment for the wheels...all seats removed except for the drivers seat, suspension work, etc. What's next...a sneaky pete system? Something tells me that we're not hearing the whole story.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/2013-shelby-gt500-413/861307-2013-has-run-9s.html

Just because you increase hp, doesn't mean you decrease ET

It does when both cars are properly setup and have a good driver behind the wheel.

I think there are some "overlooked" mods on this GT500. :nod: Kind of like the racing brakes for weight reduction and fitment for the wheels...all seats removed except for the drivers seat, suspension work, etc. What's next...a sneaky pete system? Something tells me that we're not hearing the whole story.

[URL]http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/2013-shelby-gt500-413/861307-2013-has-run-9s.html[/.

So the camaro gets more power+slicks and goes 9's@full weight then could change tires and go run on any road course but the GT500 has to add power,brakes,suspension,weight reduction and slicks to hit the same number yet it couldn't run a road course with the same setup. Now I'm going to assume the zl1 took more money to get to said number(9's) but how much value would you place on the car still riding and handling the same without having to change shocks,brakes, and add the seats back. IMO both cars are badass but when you throw alot of power at them the zl1 keeps getting better yet the gt500 starts to turn into a "one trick pony".:cool:

So the camaro gets more power+slicks and goes 9's@full weight then could change tires and go run on any road course but the GT500 has to add power,brakes,suspension,weight reduction and slicks to hit the same number yet it couldn't run a road course with the same setup. Now I'm going to assume the zl1 took more money to get to said number(9's) but how much value would you place on the car still riding and handling the same without having to change shocks,brakes, and add the seats back. IMO both cars are badass but when you throw alot of power at them the zl1 keeps getting better yet the gt500 starts to turn into a "one trick pony".

WTF are you talking about. Go somewhere else.

So the camaro gets more power+slicks and goes 9's@full weight then could change tires and go run on any road course but the GT500 has to add power,brakes,suspension,weight reduction and slicks to hit the same number yet it couldn't run a road course with the same setup. Now I'm going to assume the zl1 took more money to get to said number(9's) but how much value would you place on the car still riding and handling the same without having to change shocks,brakes, and add the seats back. IMO both cars are badass but when you throw alot of power at them the zl1 keeps getting better yet the gt500 starts to turn into a "one trick pony".:cool:

So the dumbassery you displayed in the Automotive News, Media & Press section has poured over into this one. Awesome. I think a custom user title might be in order for you.

reading threads like this expose all the dumb asses on this forum.

WTF are you talking about. Go somewhere else.

So the dumbassery you displayed in the Automotive News, Media & Press section has poured over into this one. Awesome. I think a custom user title might be in order for you.

reading threads like this expose all the dumb asses on this forum.

Don't understand why you guys are so upset all I pointed out is that in order to hit the 9's you just add some power and tires to the zl1 that's it. But with the gt500 you have to add that plus take away from the overall package of the car so please explain how that post was so bad.

Badass car! Something doesn't add up though. Another shop put 150 shot on theirs and ran 10.0 @ 139

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Ec1FZaRq4]Shelby (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Ec1FZaRq4)

Yeah and the car in the OP even traped 3mph more than this car. I would def buy one of these over the ZL1.

So the camaro gets more power+slicks and goes 9's@full weight then could change tires and go run on any road course but the GT500 has to add power,brakes,suspension,weight reduction and slicks to hit the same number yet it couldn't run a road course with the same setup. Now I'm going to assume the zl1 took more money to get to said number(9's) but how much value would you place on the car still riding and handling the same without having to change shocks,brakes, and add the seats back. IMO both cars are badass but when you throw alot of power at them the zl1 keeps getting better yet the gt500 starts to turn into a "one trick pony".:cool:

http://stutteringmessiah.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/drank-the-kool-aid.jpg?w=450

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http://stutteringmessiah.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/drank-the-kool-aid.jpg?w=450

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Guess you along with some others can't accept the facts so guess that would make you a ford :hump: huh?

i personally think the new camaro is to heavy for the hp the engine puts out.... put that b*$%^ on a diet and up the ponies a little bit.

^^^^yeah 3700ish with a 2.3 tvs on low boost not to step on the vettes toes would be nice. I just hope they get smart like ford and stretch out 5th and 6th gear to help avoid the gg tax next time around.:cheers:

A lot more to each of these cars than is being released. The two examples given really tell the tale with inconsistency if you know what to look for. Watch the 60ft times along with trap speed, just doesn't add up. The new GT500 is a beast no doubt but these examples are not the best to base your opinion on.

Don't understand why you guys are so upset all I pointed out is that in order to hit the 9's you just add some power and tires to the zl1 that's it. But with the gt500 you have to add that plus take away from the overall package of the car so please explain how that post was so bad.

You came into a thread about drag racing results and start talking about handling qualities, so you tell me. Good job bench/magazine racing though.

over on svtp it looks like evolutions gt500 has pulley,exhaust,tune,gears,smaller front rotors,mild weight reduction,slicks and drag wheels...definetly badass

they stated front brakes were only used because currently there are no drag rims available that will fit over the stock 2013gt500 brakes

You came into a thread about drag racing results and start talking about handling qualities, so you tell me. Good job bench/magazine racing though.

No,my intention was not to focus on any one thing just to point out that in order for the gt500 to hit the 9's it has to be built to do only one thing as where the zl1 can still do everything. We all now the gt500 will hand the zl1 it's ass stock for stock but everyone said it would be even easier to make the gt500 faster (9's) and clearly it's a little cheaper but at what expense? The zl1 still retains all factory parts minus motor work and tires where the gt500 has to lose its ability to anything but go fast in a straight line wrong or right?

You keep going back to this bench/magazine racing comment like you have driven both cars on and off a track and you have the right to to express your opinion and it's ok yet I'm bench racing? Seems like a scape goat because you can't discuss the facts without wanting to insult someone to make yourself feel better.

over on svtp it looks like evolutions gt500 has pulley,exhaust,tune,gears,smaller front rotors,mild weight reduction,slicks and drag wheels...definetly badass

they stated front brakes were only used because currently there are no drag rims available that will fit over the stock 2013gt500 brakes

They also switched out the rear brakes also which I believe are off the 12 gt500.

No,my intention was not to focus on any one thing just to point out that in order for the gt500 to hit the 9's it has to be built to do only one thing as where the zl1 can still do everything. We all now the gt500 will hand the zl1 it's ass stock for stock but everyone said it would be even easier to make the gt500 faster (9's) and clearly it's a little cheaper but at what expense? The zl1 still retains all factory parts minus motor work and tires where the gt500 has to lose its ability to anything but go fast in a straight line wrong or right?

Just to be clear, we're talking about this ZL1 here, correct?

http://youtu.be/fx-Rxh2BlPs

The one that's an auto with a custom torque converter? The one that had to have engine work (heads, cam, etc.) in addition to the standard bolt-ons? This car is every bit as much of a one trick pony as Evolution Performance's GT500 simply due to the auto w/ a torque converter. If you think that car can roll off the drag strip, slap different wheels/tires on and go tear up a road course, you are out of your mind. But you were too busy bench racing to pay attention to these little details.

And don't even get me started on how much more impressive the GT500 was running nines since the driver was rowing the gears himself...that is arguably a much harder task than just mashing the gas pedal and keeping it straight.

You keep going back to this bench/magazine racing comment like you have driven both cars on and off a track and you have the right to to express your opinion and it's ok yet I'm bench racing? Seems like a scape goat because you can't discuss the facts without wanting to insult someone to make yourself feel better.

For ZL1 money, I got a car that would run circles around it in any type of race, and still has a warranty (an extended one, but still covers everything bumper to bumper for the next 4 years).

And yes, you are the one bench racing here...let's go back to what you originally stated:

So the camaro gets more power+slicks and goes 9's@full weight then could change tires and go run on any road course but the GT500 has to add power,brakes,suspension,weight reduction and slicks to hit the same number yet it couldn't run a road course with the same setup. Now I'm going to assume the zl1 took more money to get to said number(9's) but how much value would you place on the car still riding and handling the same without having to change shocks,brakes, and add the seats back. IMO both cars are badass but when you throw alot of power at them the zl1 keeps getting better yet the gt500 starts to turn into a "one trick pony".:cool:

And to your point in bold, I say bullshit. That ZL1 that runs nines would be as competent on a road course as a Reliant Robin:

http://youtu.be/QQh56geU0X8

You say I can't discuss the facts, but you can't even keep them straight...typical of a bench/magazine racer. Good job yet again.

Ok so I forgot to mention the converter but that still doesn't take away from the fact that the gt500 had to have smaller brakes,drag suspension and 3 out of 4 seats removed to hit the number and you think it's still a better package then the zl1? As far as the auto vs stick yes it's harder to run that time while banging your own gears but that because ford didn't give them a choice yet again another plus for the zl1. Now how long is that stock clutch going to last with that power and traction before there upgrading to a big money clutch?

Used car vs new car= pointless.......unless you want to point out that you could buy a used z06 for 10,000 less then the price of the zl1 and......well you get the point.

Nice video it was funny much like the point you tried to imply.

So out of curiosity what makes me a bench/magazine racer but yet your not? What because you own a viper? How often do you track your viper? Or take it to the strip?

Ok so I forgot to mention the converter but that still doesn't take away from the fact that the gt500 had to have smaller brakes,drag suspension and 3 out of 4 seats removed to hit the number and you think it's still a better package then the zl1? As far as the auto vs stick yes it's harder to run that time while banging your own gears but that because ford didn't give them a choice yet again another plus for the zl1. Now how long is that stock clutch going to last with that power and traction before there upgrading to a big money clutch?

Used car vs new car= pointless.......unless you want to point out that you could buy a used z06 for 10,000 less then the price of the zl1 and......well you get the point.

Nice video it was funny much like the point you tried to imply.

So out of curiosity what makes me a bench/magazine racer but yet your not? What because you own a viper? How often do you track your viper? Or take it to the strip?

Operation backpedal and deflect has begun.

What makes you a bench racer? The fact that you spouted off that Livernois' 9-sec ZL1 could roll straight off the drag strip, change wheels and tires and go tear up a road course. You had no facts to back up that assertion, and you didn't even look at the details closely enough to know that they were piloting a stalled auto instead of a 6-speed, yet you still made the statement and tried to defend it. You go around picking and choosing whatever "facts" back up the story you are trying to tell (including unbelievably biased magazine articles), and omit key points in the process. You get called on it, and the best you can do is say "Hey, you are a bench racer too?" Excellent.

Let's be very clear on one thing - I'm not the one going around making these idiotic assertions. That's all you. Just because I'm calling you on it doesn't make me a bench racer too...I'm just trying to keep the idiot population under control.

And for the record, I don't think a stalled auto ZL1 is a better overall package, especially for anything involving a road course. Yes, the GT500 made a hero run...the company was trying to get their name out there, and you only do that by being the first to do something. They couldn't get the job done at full weight, so they started stripping things out to get the number. Good for marketing, but not necessarily representative of the general GT500 population. You could make the same argument for the ZL1 - after all, how many heads/cam/heat exchanger/stalled autos on slicks and skinnies do you think you'll see running around out there on the streets?

How often do I take my Viper to the strip and the road course? Probably about as often as you do. I've owned it for 6 months. What's your excuse?

That is beyond crazy,yes it has mods but im not seeing anything crazy, i just cant wait to see how far these cars will go in streetable form

The new Shelby is an awesome car! Stock for stock, it will kill the ZL1 in terms of power.

Operation backpedal and deflect has begun.

What makes you a bench racer? The fact that you spouted off that Livernois' 9-sec ZL1 could roll straight off the drag strip, change wheels and tires and go tear up a road course. You had no facts to back up that assertion, and you didn't even look at the details closely enough to know that they were piloting a stalled auto instead of a 6-speed, yet you still made the statement and tried to defend it. You go around picking and choosing whatever "facts" back up the story you are trying to tell (including unbelievably biased magazine articles), and omit key points in the process. You get called on it, and the best you can do is say "Hey, you are a bench racer too?" Excellent.

Let's be very clear on one thing - I'm not the one going around making these idiotic assertions. That's all you. Just because I'm calling you on it doesn't make me a bench racer too...I'm just trying to keep the idiot population under control.

And for the record, I don't think a stalled auto ZL1 is a better overall package, especially for anything involving a road course. Yes, the GT500 made a hero run...the company was trying to get their name out there, and you only do that by being the first to do something. They couldn't get the job done at full weight, so they started stripping things out to get the number. Good for marketing, but not necessarily representative of the general GT500 population. You could make the same argument for the ZL1 - after all, how many heads/cam/heat exchanger/stalled autos on slicks and skinnies do you think you'll see running around out there on the streets?

How often do I take my Viper to the strip and the road course? Probably about as often as you do. I've owned it for 6 months. What's your excuse?

This package minus the slicks and skinnies is a common package for CTS-V owners and we have quite a few ZL1 owners with deposits on this package. The suspension on our car was 100% stock, so I see no problem at all bolting the stock wheels on and going to the road course. Actually, we sold the car last week and the new owner plans to road course race it.

I drove the ZL1 for the 9-second pass and it was the most well mannered 9-second car I've ever driven. Honestly, you could drive it with 1 hand. I can't say the same for stock suspension SS's. The more power they make, even with an auto, the more of a handful they are to drive. We have a customer with a 9-second auto SS and you have to drive it on the big end of the track.

Also, I the ZL1 had and still has 100% stock suspension and interior when it ran 9's. Changing back to the OEM wheels with ET Streets, it still went bottom 10's and could be driven everyday.

Myself, I like all American muscle.. and I actually prefer to row gears. As a business, we prefer autos. They are easier on parts and easier to get down the track.

See this car I had at the track a few weeks ago... it's a handful and with 150 mph, should go much quicker ET.

Shelby

-Rick

Uh-oh...real experience to quiet the bench racers??

Thanks Rick for your post, I wanted to side with Mr. Firebird99, but the amount of ignorance in this thread kept me out until now.

I agree with your first statement - the GT500 is the bigger power in this battle. However, it seems that the ZL1 is better mannered, even running 9s, so what's not to love? I will remain a fan of both cars, and a hater of fanboys. I respect them both and while I probably won't ever own one, I sure like seeing cars like these available from the showroom - it still completely amazes me that you can just go and buy cars like these with warranty today!

Congrats on you build and performance numbers with your ZL1 Livernois & Rick! Also congrats to Evolution performance for running 9's with the GT500. Both respectable builds and awefully fast times :cheers:

I'm still not buying a stalled auto for road course duties, but having not driven one on a road course (I've only been in 6-speed cars), maybe it isn't as bad as I'm thinking. I've never been a huge fan of how GM implemented flappy paddles on their Vettes...have they changed this for the ZL1?

Uh-oh...real experience to quiet the bench racers??

Thanks Rick for your post, I wanted to side with Mr. Firebird99, but the amount of ignorance in this thread kept me out until now.

I agree with your first statement - the GT500 is the bigger power in this battle. However, it seems that the ZL1 is better mannered, even running 9s, so what's not to love? I will remain a fan of both cars, and a hater of fanboys. I respect them both and while I probably won't ever own one, I sure like seeing cars like these available from the showroom - it still completely amazes me that you can just go and buy cars like these with warranty today!

Congrats on you build and performance numbers with your ZL1 Livernois & Rick! Also congrats to Evolution performance for running 9's with the GT500. Both respectable builds and awefully fast times :cheers:

Thanks for the kind words! :cheers:

I'm still not buying a stalled auto for road course duties, but having not driven one on a road course (I've only been in 6-speed cars), maybe it isn't as bad as I'm thinking. I've never been a huge fan of how GM implemented flappy paddles on their Vettes...have they changed this for the ZL1?

The paddles in the ZL1 respond much quicker than the Corvette in my opinion, but are still nothing like a Ferrari which reacts immediately.

When driving the ZL1, I just put the shifter in sport mode and let it shift itself.

Watch how quick the Ferrari in the video below shifts. I was lucky enough to have a buddy that let me drive it like I stole it :drive:

Cars

-Rick

Operation backpedal and deflect has begun.

What makes you a bench racer? The fact that you spouted off that Livernois' 9-sec ZL1 could roll straight off the drag strip, change wheels and tires and go tear up a road course. You had no facts to back up that assertion, and you didn't even look at the details closely enough to know that they were piloting a stalled auto instead of a 6-speed, yet you still made the statement and tried to defend it. You go around picking and choosing whatever "facts" back up the story you are trying to tell (including unbelievably biased magazine articles), and omit key points in the process. You get called on it, and the best you can do is say "Hey, you are a bench racer too?" Excellent.


You could make the same argument for the ZL1 - after all, how many heads/cam/heat exchanger/stalled autos on slicks and skinnies do you think you'll see running around out there on the streets?

Guess all that spouting off out of the mouth I did wasn't so wrong after all huh? And yes there will be more heads/cam+bolt-on's auto's running around and problably more then the drag susp,drag brake and 3 seats taken out gt500's that you feal is a better package.
I'm still not buying a stalled auto for road course duties, but having not driven one on a road course (I've only been in 6-speed cars), maybe it isn't as bad as I'm thinking. I've never been a huge fan of how GM implemented flappy paddles on their Vettes...have they changed this for the ZL1?
Operation backpedal and deflect has begun.......I never backed away from my statement of it being able to change tires and hit the track just admitted I forgot about the stall.

The new Shelby is an awesome car! Stock for stock, it will kill the ZL1 in terms of power.



This package minus the slicks and skinnies is a common package for CTS-V owners and we have quite a few ZL1 owners with deposits on this package. The suspension on our car was 100% stock, so I see no problem at all bolting the stock wheels on and going to the road course. Actually, we sold the car last week and the new owner plans to road course race it.

I drove the ZL1 for the 9-second pass and it was the most well mannered 9-second car I've ever driven. Honestly, you could drive it with 1 hand. I can't say the same for stock suspension SS's. The more power they make, even with an auto, the more of a handful they are to drive. We have a customer with a 9-second auto SS and you have to drive it on the big end of the track.

Also, I the ZL1 had and still has 100% stock suspension and interior when it ran 9's. Changing back to the OEM wheels with ET Streets, it still went bottom 10's and could be driven everyday.

Myself, I like all American muscle.. and I actually prefer to row gears. As a business, we prefer autos. They are easier on parts and easier to get down the track.

See this car I had at the track a few weeks ago... it's a handful and with 150 mph, should go much quicker ET.

Shelby (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGyvwYNhE8k)

-Rick
Oh snap there is proof from the horses mouth!!!! But I guess I'm still speculating because I've never driven either I have no clue what I'm talking about yet you havent driven either car so I guess we were both bench racing but when it came down to it you lost.......Enjoy:corn:

^^^^Damn dude you're about to be banned and this thread is about to be :lock:

dude seriously if the gt500 had a auto it would go 9s on stock suspension.if livernois's zl1 was a manual it would need some suspension work
let me put it this way,a bolton stock longblock,stock blower,manual zl1 is not going to run 9s soon.
even if livernois took out there seats and kept the stock longblock(stock cam,stock heads)in there auto it would not go 9s

They also switched out the rear brakes also which I believe are off the 12 gt500.

so whats going to be your argument when a wheel company like bogart,ccw,or weld make a drag wheel that fits a 13 gt500 and it goes 9 on the stock motor,blower,.....o wait its gonna be that they removed 100lbs of seat wait.....evolutions car is way more impressive

I'm still not buying a stalled auto for road course duties, but having not driven one on a road course (I've only been in 6-speed cars), maybe it isn't as bad as I'm thinking. I've never been a huge fan of how GM implemented flappy paddles on their Vettes...have they changed this for the ZL1?

I had a 3600 stall in my 2010 ss and it was very well mannered on the street. The wife didnt even know it was in the car, lol. So a stalled road course car would be great.

As for the paddle shifting, the reason the Ferrai shifts faster than the vettes/ camaros is because they are true dual clutch autos. Tapshift in straight up autos is a joke at this point in time. Put it in sport mode and be done with it. The auto cts-v was the nurburgring lap setting car for their record run FYI.

^^^^Damn dude you're about to be banned and this thread is about to be :lock:
Why were having a debate over two cars big deal it's not like I'm just sitting throwing out insults. People's opinions on cars can be thrown in with religion/politics no matter what your not gonna change each others mind and odds are someone is going to piss of the other or both.
dude seriously if the gt500 had a auto it would go 9s on stock suspension.if livernois's zl1 was a manual it would need some suspension work
let me put it this way,a bolton stock longblock,stock blower,manual zl1 is not going to run 9s soon.
even if livernois took out there seats and kept the stock longblock(stock cam,stock heads)in there auto it would not go 9s
Don't disagree the gt500 would be faster "IF" it had a auto but once one "IF" comes out that battle never stops like what "IF" the camaro didnt weigh so much? See that would go on forever. And for the record I'm never said there gt500 wasn't impressive just that I felt livernois had a better all around package that didn't take away from its intent. I think they went that way to be able to say they never had to open the motor or the blower which is cool in its own right but I would rather add more power then take away from the cars other ability's since its not just a drag it's a really f'ing fast street car.
so whats going to be your argument when a wheel company like bogart,ccw,or weld make a drag wheel that fits a 13 gt500 and it goes 9 on the stock motor,blower,.....o wait its gonna be that they removed 100lbs of seat wait.....evolutions car is way more impressive

I was just adding that to another guys list since it was left out that's all. I'm sure someone will make a wheel to fit but odds are it won't be on a 15 inch rim.

It's funny how some of you get so mad over someone else's opinion ALL I said was I felt it was a better overall package at the 9sec level and pointed out why I felt that way and some of you flew off the handle like I was in here slamming the gt500 in every way which is far from the truth I've never said anything bad about the gt500 EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!:cheers:

dude seriously if the gt500 had a auto it would go 9s on stock suspension.if livernois's zl1 was a manual it would need some suspension work
let me put it this way,a bolton stock longblock,stock blower,manual zl1 is not going to run 9s soon.
even if livernois took out there seats and kept the stock longblock(stock cam,stock heads)in there auto it would not go 9s

AND IF
The ZL1 had a TVS2300 and 15 lbs of boost from the factory it would kill the '13 GT500 in all aspects, and if gas prices were lower without a gas guzzler tax both cars would make a ton more power, If emission didnt exists we'd still have a BBC from GM, If people would realize that both cars are very respectable in STOCK form this thread wouldnt interest me to read all the nonsense. :engarde:

In the end pick which one you like more, Mod for Mod is anyones ball game... Hell a Civic with enough money thrown at it can be fast!! This is the joy of hot rodding, not knowing what the other guys has..... SO JUST BRING WHAT YOU'VE GOT and Hope you got enough!

AND IF
The ZL1 had a TVS2300 and 15 lbs of boost from the factory it would kill the '13 GT500 in all aspects, and if gas prices were lower without a gas guzzler tax both cars would make a ton more power, If emission didnt exists we'd still have a BBC from GM, If people would realize that both cars are very respectable in STOCK form this thread wouldnt interest me to read all the nonsense. :engarde:

In the end pick which one you like more, Mod for Mod is anyones ball game... Hell a Civic with enough money thrown at it can be fast!! This is the joy of hot rodding, not knowing what the other guys has..... SO JUST BRING WHAT YOU'VE GOT and Hope you got enough!

And IF the GT500 had a 6.2 compared to it's 5.8 I would think different.. So the GT 500 has a bigger blower, but yet a 5.8L. While the ZL1 has a 6.2 with a smaller blower. The list of comparing the 2 can go all day, and like you said just know what you have and hope you got enough...

And IF the GT500 had a 6.2 compared to it's 5.8 I would think different.. So the GT 500 has a bigger blower, but yet a 5.8L. While the ZL1 has a 6.2 with a smaller blower. The list of comparing the 2 can go all day, and like you said just know what you have and hope you got enough...

Thats why in my earlier post I said the what if gave would never stop once started. Ford got the faster car stock Chevy has the better riding/handling car nothing we can do about that. I do however think ford should have offered a auto for the peolpe that either want it or for some reason can't drive a stick but still want the car.

Ford built what most car enthusiasts want, a great car!

Those new GT500's are so sick! Now, just put that motor in the 03/04 Cobra and it would be perfection. Not that the new GT500 doesn't look good, but I still think the 03/04 Cobra's are the best looking Mustang. I can't wait to see the '13 GT500 vs ZL1 in some street races.

Those new GT500's are so sick! Now, just put that motor in the 03/04 Cobra and it would be perfection. Not that the new GT500 doesn't look good, but I still think the 03/04 Cobra's are the best looking Mustang. I can't wait to see the '13 GT500 vs ZL1 in some street races.

Yeah I think the 03/4 cobra was the best looking stang since the 60/70's.....early 70's
It was deffently the meanest looking...IMO

It does? Tell that to the guys making 2,000hp running drag radial classes.

I know your an admin but this was a dumb comment....

Of course in x275 or ODR no one is running the stock wheels... But if you are referring to a near stock car and say drag radials, I think most would assume you mean Nitto 555r's or a MT (or similar DOT tire) on the stock wheels. Not to mention the car in question wasn't even on Radials.

Again, it is nit picking but I think evolution in general tries to down play the modes needed to run their times. But that again is just my opinion.

^^^^Thin ice!!!!!! Yeah last time I said something along those lines to him he kicked me for a week.......

^^^^Thin ice!!!!!! Yeah last time I said something along those lines to him he kicked me for a week.......

Both of you need to calm down!!! This site isnt here to honor/tech/research/ or support the LSx series of engines..... Its here so mustang owners have a place to come and :punch: with GM owners DAMMNIT!!! The fighting includes blocking/banning/bashing or giving the :sack: :hump: to anyone who is standing behind the LSx,LT1, or Bowtie in general......

Now shut your pie holes and listen to what the almighty god of performance has to say, or further be banned from LS1 ughhhh..... place-to-post-ford-stuff-and-get-away-with-stupidity-Tech.com

We need a smily with boots on for times like this...lol

Those new GT500's are so sick! Now, just put that motor in the 03/04 Cobra and it would be perfection. Not that the new GT500 doesn't look good, but I still think the 03/04 Cobra's are the best looking Mustang. I can't wait to see the '13 GT500 vs ZL1 in some street races.

This+the rear and tranny from the 2013 GT500 :D Not that the IRS on the Cobra is bad; but it knocks off like 150-200lbs by going to a solid rear...Totally worth it on a car like that IMO.

Evolution's "Bolt-On" parts means literally anythign they can "bolt on" with a wrench. usually new suspension parts, gears, driveshaft, weight reduction, blower pulley,...etc etc.

I'm sorry. I just have to laugh at all this. I've owned 2 2010 Camaro's and I was always a gm guy from day one. I screwed up and bought a Shelby though. I bought the same one twice. Once after the first Camaro in June of 09 and again after the second Camaro in July 2010. I actually test drove a zl1 today. Two actually. One with a manual and one with the auto. They are so much more impressive than the ss. I'm going to tell you though, as far as outright power, there is no comparison. They are nicer daily drivers and do better on the curves but unless you are just blessed and live up near deals gap or can hit a road course regularly, I will take the Shelby any day. I'd love to have both but I'm telling you, from pretty much any highway speed roll on, there just isn't very many cars out there that will run with a gt500 if the guy driving knows how to shift gears. I've seen a lot of videos posted and seen a lot of talk but in the real world I've yet to have a 5th gen Camaro of any kind come around me. Until recently the only mods I had were a 2.6 upper pulley, 110mm cai and magnaflow axle back exhaust. Brakes front and rear were stock. Hahaha and I was on a 305/35-18 drag radial. I didn't go 9's or 10's with that setup but 11.50's in the Georgia heat were pretty easy. By-the-way back in 09 I was the most googled 2010 Camaro search. The title was slow 2010 Camaro what the heck. It broke my freaking heart that it was so slow.

I've seen this car at Atco a few times :eek:

Ford has had over a decade to mess around with what works and what doesn't with forced induction V8 vehicles, so it doesn't surprise me they're ahead of the game, but I know this is far from over. People need to realize the 2012 ZL1 was meant to destroy the 2012 (not 2013) GT500, which it absolutely did.

GM outdoes the 4.6 GT with the '10 ss, then Ford outdoes the SS with the 5.0 GT, then Ford sets the standard with the Boss 302, then GM beats the Boss 302 on many tracks with the 1LE, then GM outdoes the GT500 with the ZL1, then in late 2012 Ford outdoes the ZL1 with the 2013 GT500. Anybody who says that one company is better than the other is either nuts or needs to lay off the kool-aid. They're going back and forth like none other with every model they've got.

I'm personally excited to see where GM makes the LS7 available in the 2014 camaro models. (recently released by gm on 2014 buold sheets).

Bare bones M6 LS7 1le SS might make a lot of GT500/ZL1 owners butthurt reaaaally quick.

Damn i have drs on my non stock wheels lol,trying to keep the idot population down is fighting a losing battle,these gt500s are very nice cars,i would love any year gt500 there just really badass cars,firebird99 i appreciate all the hard facts lol we could all learn a thing or 2 from you