View Full Version : Does no one on LS1Tech know how much fun AutoX is?


Latch
07-17-2012, 02:40 AM
So I tried doing autocross for the first time at F-body Beach Bash, and it was a BLAST. Way more fun than drag racing. It's also way cheaper to build a car to handle than building some crazy 1000 hp drag car. Why aren't more F-body guys turning corners?

JACE323
07-17-2012, 08:52 AM
I just started doing it this summer. It is a blast. But you want some real fun, you need to get on an actuall track.

MadIceV8
07-17-2012, 01:06 PM
So I tried doing autocross for the first time at F-body Beach Bash, and it was a BLAST. Way more fun than drag racing. It's also way cheaper to build a car to handle than building some crazy 1000 hp drag car. Why aren't more F-body guys turning corners?

Agreed. I forget the site offhand, but a lot of people do go road-racing or autox in f-bodies.

Azar_Hawke
07-17-2012, 01:54 PM
frrax.com is the website.

I plan on going autox'ing soon, I just don't really know where to start unfortunately.

NW-99SS
07-17-2012, 01:55 PM
No one here knows/believes car should turn corners!! Have you seen the ZL1 vs GT500 threads!

Truthfully, I would rather drive a well-balanced car with the potential to add more power, than a poor handling car that's ultra fast in the 1/4 mile only.

thunderstruck507
07-17-2012, 03:50 PM
No one here knows/believes car should turn corners!! Have you seen the ZL1 vs GT500 threads!

Truthfully, I would rather drive a well-balanced car with the potential to add more power, than a poor handling car that's ultra fast in the 1/4 mile only.

I find it ironic that I am in the same boat as you with my 40 year old car yet the guys with newer fbodies which make excellent dailies and can handle/stop extremely well are all about turning them into useless straight liners.

I have a lot of fun at autox, on a course, and at the strip. But by making a car that can work on all 3 of those at least decently well, I've ended up with a well rounded street car that is also fun to drive on the street and the backroads.

JACE323
07-17-2012, 04:05 PM
frrax.com is the website.

I plan on going autox'ing soon, I just don't really know where to start unfortunately.

Just get on the SCCAs web site, find your region, go to their website, and find the closest event to you. You dont need anything fancy. Just a car, helmet, and the desire to have fun and learn.

You will find some very frienldy and helpfull people to get you through your first time.

NW-99SS
07-17-2012, 05:29 PM
I find it ironic that I am in the same boat as you with my 40 year old car yet the guys with newer fbodies which make excellent dailies and can handle/stop extremely well are all about turning them into useless straight liners.

I have a lot of fun at autox, on a course, and at the strip. But by making a car that can work on all 3 of those at least decently well, I've ended up with a well rounded street car that is also fun to drive on the street and the backroads.

You can only hope that they will learn. This is the exact reason I put the suspension and brakes I chose into my 99 SS - and the exact reason why I just brought home a Mongoose 1963 Corvette Grand Sport.

1QWIKBIRD
07-17-2012, 07:39 PM
Autox is fun, but be warned, it is just like every other form of motorsports. The more competitive you get the more $$$$ you need. The seat time versus $$$$ spent is far better than drag racing.

But don't fooled, racing still stakes $$$, parts still break, tires (all four, not just the back two) need to be replaced (at $1200 a set min.), motors still need to be built, cages still need to be installed, lightweight parts still rule the day, etc. etc. etc........Unless you stay in F-stock (where the new Mustangs will crush you) or ESP (E-street prepared), modified new Mustangs crush you even more. Venture outside of those two classes (SCCA rules) and into SM (Street Modified), land of the AWD turbo crowd or Modded M3's. Or step further into the fray, CP (C-prepared). This is a purpose built race car on the national level. Either way (SM or CP) get ready to spend and remove significant weight to stay competitive.


http://www.streetortrack.com/files/pictures/kolk-esp-camaro.jpg

http://www.unbalancedengineering.com/CamaroImages/CaseyESP.jpg

http://www.baautox.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=7501&start=0

It is fun, but it is still racing. More driver oriented than drag racing maybe, but it still takes a reasonable amount of $$$$ and time. Autox is all about seat time and being on good rubber. When either of those two things aren't in harmony you are just riding around taking in the sights. The first words out of most autox guys after just about any run goes something like this "......I was on old tires" Or ".....I was just shaking the rust off"

Get our there and have fun, just don't get too carried away or you could end up with a gutted 4th gen, with fender flares, 10pt cage, built motor, beefed up drivetrain, no creature comforts, gutted doors and dash, race seat (singular) and safety equipment......sounds a lot like drag racing at that point doesn't it?

mountainbiker2
07-17-2012, 07:48 PM
[QUOTE=1QWIKBIRD;16528558

Get our there and have fun, just don't get too carried away or you could end up with a gutted 4th gen, with fender flares, 10pt cage, built motor, beefed up drivetrain, no creature comforts, gutted doors and dash, race seat (singular) and safety equipment......sounds a lot like drag racing at that point doesn't it?[/QUOTE]


That's exactly what happened to me.

My first few races.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a216/mountainbiker2/CorvetteJuly10th04.jpg

8 years later.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a216/mountainbiker2/P1010949.jpg

Steve A.

Azar_Hawke
07-17-2012, 11:29 PM
Just get on the SCCAs web site, find your region, go to their website, and find the closest event to you. You dont need anything fancy. Just a car, helmet, and the desire to have fun and learn.

You will find some very frienldy and helpfull people to get you through your first time.

How expensive is it? Other then parts and equipment. Just membership/track day/etc.

JACE323
07-18-2012, 09:33 AM
How expensive is it? Other then parts and equipment. Just membership/track day/etc.

each region is a little different. But a day membership to run one event is around $40-$50 If i remember (maybe a tad more). They will give you all the info you need to join the SCCA and you get a discount for the day pass. That way you can actually see if you like it. Im pretty sure you will get hooked though LOL! :drive:

Part wise. Just go out there and have fun your first year. I gurantee you your first time out a stock f-body will be more then enough for you to handle. Just make sure the car is safe. (wheel bearings, steering, tires.) I would, however, recomend making sure all your fluids are fresh (brake and power steering mainly) Dont need anything fancy just fresh fluid. Once you start figuring out what you dont like with the car you can start changing parts.

No matter what you think you might need for tires stay away from race rubber as long as u can. The faster you learn to drive on street tires you will be even faster on race rubber. Jumping straight to race tires can cover up some bad mistakes and you wont learn as quick. Road racing / auto x is more about seat time and the drivers smoothness. Not who has the better parts (that comes once you can be a competive driver)

beach cruiser
07-18-2012, 02:11 PM
Here's a link to your Local club http://www.vmsc.org/ We are having a club challange Sept 23 at VMP (Dinwidee Drag strip) It will be a club challange with the best of the Richmond club vs the Best of the Tidewater Club. I'll be there in my WS6 representing the tidewater group. We're gonna kick butt! I've finally gotten my car dialed in for ESP and even though I'm not the fastest, I'm consistantly in the top 10. (80-100 cars) my car is not gutted at all, I have done 0 weight reduction on it. But it has springs, koni's, bars, bushings, RR Diff, Hoosiers, Wheels, Bolt on's, tune, on and on... It does add up, just like any form of racing.

Here's a picture of my car with my 16 year old son driving it.

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/n2sking/P1030610.jpg

trublew
07-18-2012, 08:44 PM
i did an event with my 03 gtp, and loved it... now i bought a ws6, so next race should be real interesting haha... but definately a good crowd of people and a great day for under $60...

1981TA
07-19-2012, 12:33 AM
I find it ironic that I am in the same boat as you with my 40 year old car yet the guys with newer fbodies which make excellent dailies and can handle/stop extremely well are all about turning them into useless straight liners.

I have a lot of fun at autox, on a course, and at the strip. But by making a car that can work on all 3 of those at least decently well, I've ended up with a well rounded street car that is also fun to drive on the street and the backroads.

Yup, right there with you. 9 years younger than you on the car though :-)

thunderstruck507
07-19-2012, 10:09 AM
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v477/thunderstruck507/?action=view&current=autox001.mp4

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/thunderstruck507/Chevelle/chevellejulyautox1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/thunderstruck507/Chevelle/kevin_Solo_oct2010.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/thunderstruck507/Chevelle/chevellejulyautox2.jpg

LS1-450
07-19-2012, 01:37 PM
Road course = :thumb:

Autocross = :gay:

I understand the draw of autocross, it's cheap, but it's just not for me. Niether is straight line drag racing for that matter.

Not everyone here only drives fast in a straight line.

chasgiv3
07-19-2012, 02:06 PM
My club rents out RoadAmerica every spring. Everyone is welcome. I take out the GTO for that track. 1 set of racing brake pads and 1 extra set of rotors and I'm good to go for the weekend. The drag car stays at home!

Anyway all are welcome to come out. We have instructors for folks who've never been on the RoadAmerica track before and if they do well they feel comfortable they move to riding alone. Always a fun day.

Here's a vid from one of our members:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kdzHVnm180&feature=player_embedded

http://roadamerica.mfba.org

1981TA
07-19-2012, 03:39 PM
My club rents out Road America every spring. Everyone is welcome. I take out the GTO for that track. 1 set of racing brake pads and 1 extra set of rotors and I'm good to go for the weekend. The drag car stays at home!

Anyway all are welcome to come out. We have instructors for folks who've never been on the RoadAmerica track before and if they do well they feel comfortable they move to riding alone. Always a fun day.


Now we're talking. The pic in my sig comes from the MFBA outing at Road America this spring (leaving the track at turn 5 after a 20 minute session). Is there going to be a fall track weekend at RA this year?

thunderstruck507
07-19-2012, 03:50 PM
Road course = :thumb:

Autocross = :gay:

I understand the draw of autocross, it's cheap, but it's just not for me. Niether is straight line drag racing for that matter.

Not everyone here only drives fast in a straight line.

I am not serious about autox but it is a hoot.

The local Corvette club does the one closest to me and it's only $10 for half day and $20 for full day and part of that goes to charity.

The SCCA events are $35 or so a day and an hour and a half drive so I don't usually go to those.

BOBS99SS
07-19-2012, 04:04 PM
Im going to try this soon, the main reason i want to try iy is more seat time /fun,dragstrip is fun but i cant wait to try this,as soon as i get some new wheels ill check it out

chasgiv3
07-19-2012, 04:28 PM
Now we're talking. The pic in my sig comes from the MFBA outing at Road America this spring (leaving the track at turn 5 after a 20 minute session). Is there going to be a fall track weekend at RA this year?

No Fall session. We tried to get a date that would work but they were all a little too far into the Winter so we were worried about attendance and weather.

So spring it is....:drive:

camaro1185
07-23-2012, 09:46 AM
I have never auto x'ed but I want to try badly. I set my car up for the twisties and usually do some spirited driving around the back roads of NW CT. I have an absolute BLAST in the corners. I know I can push my car A LOT harder, but I keep it rather tame on the streets for obvious reasons. I can't wait to hit some auto x/road courses so that I can test its limits in a controlled environment.

thunderstruck507
07-23-2012, 09:52 AM
Autox is good for finding the "upset limits" of the car at low speed and it's fun. But depending on the location I find they are often set up so tight they can make a larger/ more powerful car less impressive than it is even driving conservatively on the backroads. Especially throwing around as much weight as I am.

FASTFATBOY
07-23-2012, 10:53 AM
I was in the middle of building my 94 Z28 street/strip car and was coaxed into going to a HPDE and riding with my buddies who are instructors.....the hook was set. This was 6 or so years ago.

The 94 Z28 is gone, drag racing sucks compared to turning.

BTW, $1200 for a set of tires????? My NT-05 are around $650.

I now have a 99 Z28


Muskegon auto x at the Hot Rod Power Tour, I did the long haul.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/205291_10151841741990314_2106286135_n.jpg

http://youtu.be/lU_qRoXfFW0

Finished 11th out of 68 cars on junker street tires.


At Road Atlanta.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/581371_10151469411375314_1034680606_n.jpg

http://youtu.be/6LfTi-nswh4

camaro1185
07-23-2012, 11:20 AM
If I had not experienced a car that handles so well I probably would have built the car for straight line performance. The car that go me hooked is my parents "toy" a 2004 S2000. Ever since throwing that thing around some backroad corners I was hooked. Now I spend all my time researching how to set my car up better and im constantly trying to find twisty roads around my state.

racerfox
07-23-2012, 11:25 AM
autox is is great fun but soon you move to something like this later

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuILPHgBUNY&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL97F2DBD0658069C2

Justin@GMHTP
07-23-2012, 04:04 PM
http://youtu.be/3yUCczesJXQ


http://image.gmhightechperformance.com/f/gm-high-tech-performance-magazine/sti-killer-on-track/35209118/sti-killer-weld-racing-rt-s-wheels-gmhtp.jpg

http://image.gmhightechperformance.com/f/gm-high-tech-performance-magazine/sti-killer-on-track/35230466/sti-killer.jpg

http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz100/camarotorqusa/AA%20TORQ%20SPEEDLAB/CHPN/IMG_0111.jpg

jesup16
07-23-2012, 04:04 PM
I just did my first this weekend. I never had this much fun at the drag strip...but to each his own.

subarubill96
07-23-2012, 07:13 PM
I have never auto x'ed but I want to try badly. I set my car up for the twisties and usually do some spirited driving around the back roads of NW CT. I have an absolute BLAST in the corners. I know I can push my car A LOT harder, but I keep it rather tame on the streets for obvious reasons. I can't wait to hit some auto x/road courses so that I can test its limits in a controlled environment.

northwest ct eh? your not far from where i usually throw my pile around the cones. the boston chapter of the BMW club puts on some really great auto-x events and its at devens air force base so its really not far for you. i think its
$80 for a year membership and roughly $40 an event.

xXSilencerXx
07-23-2012, 07:50 PM
Auto-X was a blast when I tried it. I'd like to get out on a real Road Course one day, but I need a lot better parts for that.

camaro1185
07-23-2012, 08:26 PM
northwest ct eh? your not far from where i usually throw my pile around the cones. the boston chapter of the BMW club puts on some really great auto-x events and its at devens air force base so its really not far for you. i think its
$80 for a year membership and roughly $40 an event.


Ill have to check it out, thanks.

Davens Air Force Base, did they have some mazda thing there about 6 years ago where you got to "auto-x" the new models? I did that, it was a blast.

cdgreg
07-23-2012, 09:08 PM
I've never attempted auto-x or of course a real road course for that matter. One question though, can you still have fun if your car is an automatic, or are you too hindered by the transmission? My 98 SS is an A4 and I have to admit driving the hell out of a course really piques my interest more than a quarter mile drag strip.

camaro1185
07-23-2012, 10:21 PM
I've never attempted auto-x or of course a real road course for that matter. One question though, can you still have fun if your car is an automatic, or are you too hindered by the transmission? My 98 SS is an A4 and I have to admit driving the hell out of a course really piques my interest more than a quarter mile drag strip.

You sure can, I do it in my car which is currently auto (t56 sitting next to it in the garage). If the car is set up to corner flat, and you have some decent power, it can be really fun. My car has every suspension mod possible and it truly handles like its on rails.

198esp
07-23-2012, 11:05 PM
Autox is fun, but be warned, it is just like every other form of motorsports. The more competitive you get the more $$$$ you need. The seat time versus $$$$ spent is far better than drag racing.

But don't fooled, racing still stakes $$$, parts still break, tires (all four, not just the back two) need to be replaced (at $1200 a set min.), motors still need to be built, cages still need to be installed, lightweight parts still rule the day, etc. etc. etc........Unless you stay in F-stock (where the new Mustangs will crush you) or ESP (E-street prepared), modified new Mustangs crush you even more. Venture outside of those two classes (SCCA rules) and into SM (Street Modified), land of the AWD turbo crowd or Modded M3's. Or step further into the fray, CP (C-prepared). This is a purpose built race car on the national level. Either way (SM or CP) get ready to spend and remove significant weight to stay competitive.


http://www.streetortrack.com/files/pictures/kolk-esp-camaro.jpg

http://www.unbalancedengineering.com/CamaroImages/CaseyESP.jpg

http://www.baautox.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=7501&start=0

It is fun, but it is still racing. More driver oriented than drag racing maybe, but it still takes a reasonable amount of $$$$ and time. Autox is all about seat time and being on good rubber. When either of those two things aren't in harmony you are just riding around taking in the sights. The first words out of most autox guys after just about any run goes something like this "......I was on old tires" Or ".....I was just shaking the rust off"

Get our there and have fun, just don't get too carried away or you could end up with a gutted 4th gen, with fender flares, 10pt cage, built motor, beefed up drivetrain, no creature comforts, gutted doors and dash, race seat (singular) and safety equipment......sounds a lot like drag racing at that point doesn't it?

Hey are you talking about my car :cheers: I been autocrossing my camaro for about 10 years nothing but fun ,but just like drag racing how fast do you want to go and there are easier,cheaper ways to go fast than in a camaro

Dark_Pheonix
07-24-2012, 08:26 AM
Autox is definitely the way to go its fun, cheap, and very friendly. This is my second season, and I'm still learning more each time. (getting faster too). There is a group right in CT that puts on Autox events just about every other weekend at Thompson speedway, Hartford and Mohegan sun. Check out www.cartct.com the next event is August 5th. See you there

camaro1185
07-24-2012, 08:40 AM
Check out www.cartct.com the next event is August 5th. See you there

You probably will see me there along with my buddy whos got a 2000 TA. It will be both our first times!

JACE323
07-24-2012, 09:06 AM
http://image.gmhightechperformance.com/f/gm-high-tech-performance-magazine/sti-killer-on-track/35209118/sti-killer-weld-racing-rt-s-wheels-gmhtp.jpg


This has to be the sexiest ls1 car I have seen. re-subsribing to GMHTP just because of this. LOL

therealcreeper
07-24-2012, 09:29 AM
how much do events cost around you guys?

I went a few times and really liked it, they have a huge smooth lot, but then they steadily rose the price to $60 per event and most of the time the afternoon session only gets 6 runs. So you're basically paying $10 per run and you have to chase cones for 4 hours straight while the other groups run which really sucks on hot days

198esp
07-24-2012, 10:15 AM
I run mostly with the north jersey scca they run up at giant stadium its the best lot on the east coast for autox 1million sq feet and lots of grip. You get between 6-8 runs ,course times in my car are between 45-65 seconds. you do have to work but the work time is only 1-1.5 hours. You wont find a better run autocross than the nnjr scca, def worth checking out

thunderstruck507
07-24-2012, 11:50 AM
Our SCCA events usually run ~$35 for 6 runs if I remember correctly and you work the other 6 runs. But when the Joplin tornado hit, FEMA decided to use our location to set up trailers and equipment (even though its an hour away) so they lost the large lot.

Now they run on a much smaller lot and it's half as fun and no longer worth the cost to me, especially since I cannot afford a SCCA membership for the full year since I no longer qualify for their "young person/student discount". It's also an hour and half drive to the site so gas adds into that.


A local Corvette club runs an event once a month only 20 minutes from me. It $10 to run a 3 run set and $20 to run in the morning and afternoon set for a total of 6 runs. I do that on occasion.

JACE323
07-24-2012, 12:43 PM
Chicago Region is $38 a day. You get six runs total split into a morning and afternoon session and have to work for one of your off sessions. You can relax and spectate the other one. We have a good size lot at route 66 raceway. I just wish they would let us out on thse nice stretch with a turn around so I can use my POWAH!!! :rotflmao:

therealcreeper
07-24-2012, 04:20 PM
I run mostly with the north jersey scca they run up at giant stadium its the best lot on the east coast for autox 1million sq feet and lots of grip. You get between 6-8 runs ,course times in my car are between 45-65 seconds. you do have to work but the work time is only 1-1.5 hours. You wont find a better run autocross than the nnjr scca, def worth checking out

do you usually run the morning session or afternoon? I've only ever done afternoon and it seems like hours upon hours out in the lot

CRBWS6
07-24-2012, 09:19 PM
Although I've done Auto-X for 10 years in my TA, I've never taken it too seriously and continue to have great fun. Compared to drag racing or road racing, there really isn't much extra wear on the car - aside from the tires. Because F-bodies are big, heavy, and not ideally balanced, prepare to get smoked by a Miatas and Minis....but F-bodies are just so "entertaining" to keep under control. Smooth controlled driving = fast times:)

beach cruiser
07-26-2012, 12:05 PM
Yeah, the anouncers always comment either before my run or after how entertaining it is to watch me run! Can I say a lot of Slideways? but still fast! I usually provide a lot of entertainment either from a fishtail or a tire spinning or just the growl of the LS1 from the exhaust! I'd prefer not to do it that way, but there's a lot of throwing the big girl around to make her fast. Hoosier Smoke is very expensive!

badformulaLS1
07-27-2012, 11:23 PM
Is having an auto a big disadvantage?

OutrunNAScaR14
07-27-2012, 11:43 PM
I ran autox in my a4 trans am and all I did was put her in first and let her eat. I didn't have to shift on that course. But yeah there was a lot a sliding going on but everyone that watched me said how much they love the f body and how it slid so much. I know it's not the fastest way around but it sure is fun.

BLK95-Z
07-27-2012, 11:47 PM
I bought my B4C from a mod off frrax.com. It has a list of suspension mods a mile long and is on RAILS compared to any f-body Ive ever driven.

So far Ive had it to the drag strip but never auto-x :drive:

198esp
07-30-2012, 12:31 AM
so here is a video from this weekends race with nnjr scca. yup its as fun as it looks

http://youtu.be/QDcLhmWHubA

mountainbiker2
07-30-2012, 02:20 PM
so here is a video from this weekends race with nnjr scca. yup its as fun as it looks



Nice driving. Your car sounds great. What are you driving/ setup?

Steve A.

beach cruiser
07-30-2012, 02:32 PM
ESP car with a cage in it? Nice! We used to have the best concrete surface on the East Coast down here in Norfolk, but the Navy made us leave the base when the command changed, would be nice to have that much room again! With the site we have now, it's always a Miata course no matter how they try to even the field.

mmarshall
07-30-2012, 07:36 PM
I don't own a F-body but I did have to borrow a 2002 TA to salvage some points while I finished up putting a LS1 in my Daytona Coupe. The TA was alot of fun on the course and easy to control. I wish my Daytona was that easy to drive, but it tends to be a real handful. I guess 350 RWHP in a 2200 lb car will tend to be that way.

TA run:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUo1SwCfyKM&list=UUd16s9zwPBUCB8EpK7OAzJA&index=6&feature=plcp

My car finally done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHtx7eurZYU&list=UUd16s9zwPBUCB8EpK7OAzJA&index=1&feature=plcp

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr2/mmarshall01/LS1%20conversion/DSC_2897.jpg

OutrunNAScaR14
07-30-2012, 09:04 PM
That car is badass man!

198esp
07-31-2012, 09:26 AM
Nice driving. Your car sounds great. What are you driving/ setup?

Steve A.

I race in cp now, engine is a crate zo6/ls6 with an asa cam. car weight is cp min 3050 with about 50lbs of ballast, penske DA on all four corners/25x13x16 hoosier r35 tire. The car is comming along but its about 2sec off FTD to a very well driven Gt3 in ssp

mmarshall
07-31-2012, 09:58 AM
I race in cp now, engine is a crate zo6/ls6 with an asa cam. car weight is cp min 3050 with about 50lbs of ballast, penske DA on all four corners/25x13x16 hoosier r35 tire. The car is comming along but its about 2sec off FTD to a very well driven Gt3 in ssp

Watching your speed maintained through the slalom I figured you were on R35's. As much as I want to do heads and cam this winter, I need a set of real rims and some R35's.

Demonicbird00
07-31-2012, 07:14 PM
i do both, well my car is drag setup and i have a laydown kart that is faster then 90% of anything else that runs road race

-brandon