Street Racing & Kill Stories - LS1 GTO Vs Cobra - Place your bets

Quick story:

Last saturday i was going to run a buddy with an 03 Cobra after a local car show. Well as luck would have it, there was 2 other guys there that had a cobra and a GTO and they wanted to run! So my buddy ran the cobra with his, and i ran the gto with mine (LS2). He stayed neck and neck with the other cobra, but beat it. I absolutley destroyed the other GTO. HAve vids of all the runs. We didnt run due to me having clutch issues, witch are now fixed.

This saturday we are running em, and i want to get the thread started early.

GTO mods : LS1, Ported/decked 243`s, Large cam, ported TB, LT`s and full catless exhuast, 25% UDP, 3:91`s, Vararam, tuned, and i shift @ 6,800rpm, short shifter and i weigh in about 3,580lbs w/o me. Running on some very bald 245/18 NT01`s


Cobra: 03 Pullied/ catback cobra on stock tune, i BELIEVE he is full weight, with some 315/18 555r`s. Both are 6spd cars.

We will be doing a few digs and a few rolls, what do you all think? Im estimating im around 440rwhp, he is most likley close aswell.

Im pretty sure i can pull out a W from however we race.

Make your predictions




UPDATE RACE RESULTS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnpKK1GtUmk&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM8zsbuI-44&feature=plcp

Last weekend fun

Me in car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDXTK30TCD4&feature=plcp

Buddies car vs random other cobra

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf4BagnVRqw&feature=channel&list=UL

Pullied/intake cobra on a stock tune is not happening. The car would run worse then it did stock if it ran for any length of time at all. If hes tuned and around the same weight it "should" be a good run. Just keep in mind "pullied" is such a relative word thrown around, there are pullied cobras ranging from 415rwhp-480rwp.

A cobra on stock tune? My money on GTO... even more money on that Silver TA in the vid behind you. LOL He looked like he pulled up crazy and just braked.

A cobra on stock tune? My money on GTO... even more money on that Silver TA in the vid behind you. LOL He looked like he pulled up crazy and just braked.
read my mind ..that t/a looks like he can give u a good run..gl on all the races

read my mind ..that t/a looks like he can give u a good run..gl on all the races

X2
That T/A looks pretty quick.

That ta was completley missising second gear in the trans for that race. It has a ztroked built ls3. and 4:10's. We are not a good race rfl. Also, my car had stock heads for that gto race.

You beat the cobra by 1-1/2 cars. You have better gearing and are lighter if he truly is stock outside of a pulley.

And remember to use Heat Soak tactics, lol, jk.

You should beat the Cobra. That convertable looks to be a Mystic 04...

Nice runs/ good luck.

It would have made the video even better had the t/a changed lanes and then passed the gto. lol

My bet is on you whether the cobra is tuned or not. Youtube made that car the killer that it is... but mainly because most of the cars they raced were built wrong or just driver error. They can be quick cars done right. But a catback/pulley/air intake/tune.... to me is a good race for a 115mph car.

What was done to the cobra in the vid you posted? I think it will be a good race.

My buddies cobra beat the Mystic 04 in the vid. Ut was compldtley stock. My buddies car stayed basically side by side with it, but his car is pullied and NOT a heavy convertible. So to me my buddies car should be faster than it is.

My buddies cobra beat the Mystic 04 in the vid. Ut was compldtley stock. My buddies car stayed basically side by side with it, but his car is pullied and NOT a heavy convertible. So to me my buddies car should be faster than it is.

so which car are you racing? The mystic vert? Your buddies? or some other cobra?

Im racing the one that took the vid. It was slightley faster the the Mystic VERT, and IMO it SHOULD have been much faster than the vert, as the camera car was pullied/exhuast and short shifter, the Vert was exhaust only. Not sure how ford is, but normally a convertible is heavier, and it should have had less power.

The vid of the GTO my car is no were near its potential. You can CLEARLY see the super slow shifts, and i didnt hook for all of 1st and half of second. Plus i was shifting at 6,200 instead of 7,000. That was before my ported LS6 heads BTW, witch are being installed tomorrow.

Im racing the one that took the vid. It was slightley faster the the Mystic VERT, and IMO it SHOULD have been much faster than the vert, as the camera car was pullied/exhuast and short shifter, the Vert was exhaust only. Not sure how ford is, but normally a convertible is heavier, and it should have had less power.

The vid of the GTO my car is no were near its potential. You can CLEARLY see the super slow shifts, and i didnt hook for all of 1st and half of second. Plus i was shifting at 6,200 instead of 7,000. That was before my ported LS6 heads BTW, witch are being installed tomorrow.

A stock vert cobra is maybe a 110-111mph car. My guess is that camera car cobra traps around 114-115. If your car runs well for its mods, u will walk him pretty hard.

We will see if your right. I belive my car runs very well for all ive got into it. Hell, the UDP and headers cost more than my H/C rofl. My cam is large for an LS1, 236/240 .598/.608 on a 113 LSA, and im hoping that the stock heads with 10-1 compression were really holding it back. WIth the new ported heads ill be around 11:1 and have ported ls6 heads lol

We will see if your right. I belive my car runs very well for all ive got into it. Hell, the UDP and headers cost more than my H/C rofl. My cam is large for an LS1, 236/240 .598/.608 on a 113 LSA, and im hoping that the stock heads with 10-1 compression were really holding it back. WIth the new ported heads ill be around 11:1 and have ported ls6 heads lol

who ported the heads?

I vote cobra

I vote cobra

i disagree

Nice runs/ good luck.

It would have made the video even better had the t/a changed lanes and then passed the gto. lol

Lol. That's what I was thinking. I don't see why the goat won't take the Cobra though...

who ported the heads?

They are hand ported by me, bowls blended, decked, 5 angle VJ, valves radiused and backcut/swirl polished.

There is no doubt about it, that T/A was NASTY. He told me he was there incase i started to fall behind he could give me a little push lmfao

Screw that, I want to see the T/A run now :(. Against a REAL quick Honda preferably :)

^ 300whp should do the trick.

What, to get you to the race? Ya that should do okay...

Pullied/intake cobra on a stock tune is not happening. The car would run worse then it did stock if it ran for any length of time at all. If hes tuned and around the same weight it "should" be a good run. Just keep in mind "pullied" is such a relative word thrown around, there are pullied cobras ranging from 415rwhp-480rwp.


Yep.

Cobra should lose.

Just keep in mind "pullied" is such a relative word thrown around, there are pullied cobras ranging from 415rwhp-480rwp.

Agreed. People seem to either think they all run balls to the wall or are all turds.

My bet is on you whether the cobra is tuned or not. Youtube made that car the killer that it is... but mainly because most of the cars they raced were built wrong or just driver error. They can be quick cars done right. But a catback/pulley/air intake/tune.... to me is a good race for a 115mph car.

Again pullied means jack shit, they range from 400rwhp pullied cars to 480rwhp. A 460rwhp cobra is a 120mph car.

Again pullied means jack shit, they range from 400rwhp pullied cars to 480rwhp. A 460rwhp cobra is a 120mph car.

Cobra for sure if its in that power range and traping 120 this gturdo is introuble.

Oh you again. Please, please give us some of your wonderful knowledge. Please do stick around, your febal attempts at insults are rather cute considering your most epic fail

Again pullied means jack shit, they range from 400rwhp pullied cars to 480rwhp. A 460rwhp cobra is a 120mph car.

Not always... ive seen a lot of higher hp cobras not trap 120, and having good drivers. Seems the more efficient pulley setup beats the higher boost setups.

I wouldn't say pullied means jack shit...where these guys get this shit!? :confused:

Quick update, the cobra just DYno`d 415rwhp and 449 rwtq. Lower than i expected :)

in for vids on new race and silver t/a specs

Quick update, the cobra just DYno`d 415rwhp and 449 rwtq. Lower than i expected :)

O man cobra is catching a beating!

Yeah if its only making those numbers you should be good, but you never know, could have been on a mustang dyno, there are a ton of cobras around me,you just never know with those,in the right hands it wont take much for him to pull away, untill heat soak sets in anyway lol,good luck but i pick the cobra, when can we see vids?

Let's get the results posted so I don't have to lock this too-

Ridiculous threads these days are going to get locked-



I vote you-

the mach 1 will win.

the mach 1 will win.

^ Perfect example why threads get closed...:eyes:

Win, lose its all in good fun :)
My vote goes to you, i think itll look close for a second with you then pulling on him up top.
Now just hurry and post the damn results! :nod:

Ill be back in tomorrow to fill in details, but i was walking him so bad he refused a roll race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnpKK1GtUmk&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM8zsbuI-44&feature=plcp

Ill be back in tomorrow to fill in details, but i was walking him so bad he refused a roll race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnpKK1GtUmk&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM8zsbuI-44&feature=plcp

Like i said, you were going to crush him. IDK why everyone else thought it was going to be close or he would win. 415whp roots blowered car vs 440whp(est) h/c/i/e/g NA car is not even close to the same ball park. Great kill. Keep up the good work

Cobra's are over rated.

Cobra's are over rated.

While i know your being sarcastic... id have to agree. They can be made fast just like any other car. Good platform to work off of (blower+forged internals)... but also like any other car, 9 out of 10 with the same mods... dont perform. id love to see how the cobras perform with a tvs 2300 on them.

First race he did short shift, you can clearly see that. SEcond race i gave him the hit becuase i knew somebody was going to bitch. He had 315 wide DR`s to my little 245 NT01`s.

He fully admited my car was much faster and wouldnt roll race me. He can drive good enough to beat another cobra in the vids i posted at the beginning.

The second race was a Legit race, both races were around 4 car lengths when i let off. I tried aiming the camera at the mirror but no dice lol.

Thanks for a ll the support guys!

Also, when i posted that dyno # he informed me it was 104* outside !

Also, when i posted that dyno # he informed me it was 104* outside !

if the numbers were sae, it doesnt matter

Oh gotcha,well i m very happy with the outcome. I didnt expect to walk him quite so bad.

Oh gotcha,well i m very happy with the outcome. I didnt expect to walk him quite so bad.

as soon as you said 415... i knew he was getting smashed. Cobras ALWAYS need more hp then an NA car to make it a close race.. With less power... forget it

I was surprised his TQ was so much higher honestly. Ill be investing in a suction cup mount soon lol.

I was surprised his TQ was so much higher honestly. Ill be investing in a suction cup mount soon lol.

roots blower lol

Nice kill. I have never raced a Cobra, but would love too. I have no idea how I would fare though, as I'm probably 380 whp in an Auto, with about 250-300 lbs weight reduction (probably 3425-3475lbs w/out me). I want to run one pretty bad, but have no idea what power level/modded Cobra I would be a good run for.

What I really want to run, is a CAI, catback, tune 5.0 =)

Thank you, i know the angle sucked but it was the best i could do untill i get suction cup mount. The Mystichrome cobra wanted to run me also, but seeing how he got beat by my buddie twice, i didnt want to. Looking back i should have, that way i had 2 cobra`s notched out :)

What I really want to run, is a CAI, catback, tune 5.0 =)

You'll start 200 pages of posts, just watch :), a 5.0 stang with just CAI,CB and tune is good for 400+ at the wheels, and just when the stock cam LS2 is running out of steem at 6000+ rpm, the 5.0 is still building power,my buddy did beat one 2 days ago, but he has 236/240 cam in his LS2 Goat, stock ls2 heads, stock LS2 intake., he was almost 2 cars ahead when they finished both times, in excess of triple digits. Those fackers can roll.. not talking about the weight difference because your sig mentions weight reduction, but they're what, 300lbs lighter than a stock Goat ?, I know at least 500lbs lighter than my G8 :), your car should do better than mine because of weight and better top end cam in stock form, i can hang almost until the end of my 3rd gear from a dig, after that, their powerband and weight take the cake.

Op, nice races, i miss my Goat a lot, have plans to cam this piggy to make it a fun car like my cammed LS2 Goat was.

Yeah I don't want to start the war over them. They are a faster car, which is why with full exhaust, cai, ported intake/TB, weight reduction, and suspension, I just want run a CAI, CATBACK, tune 5.0. Only race I've had with a 5.0 was when I was stock, at the track. The 5.0 was Auto with slicks. He out 60' me by .15 and his time was only .15 better then mine. I know they pick up more with mods, but I should be a lighter car at this point. Them and the new 392's are who I want to line up with, just to see how this old azz 6.0 compares.

good kill,

Good luck buddy! There were quite a few 5.0`s rolling around town here on cruise night last night, but none of them would run me. This damn bifg ass cam scarres alot of fun races away lol

Yeah I don't want to start the war over them. They are a faster car, which is why with full exhaust, cai, ported intake/TB, weight reduction, and suspension, I just want run a CAI, CATBACK, tune 5.0. Only race I've had with a 5.0 was when I was stock, at the track. The 5.0 was Auto with slicks. He out 60' me by .15 and his time was only .15 better then mine. I know they pick up more with mods, but I should be a lighter car at this point. Them and the new 392's are who I want to line up with, just to see how this old azz 6.0 compares.

We have an a4 Goat around our local 1/8 local track with just a CAI, toque converter, and slicks putting the hurt on 5.0's with those mods and 392's with CB, but it's only 1/8 mile. It's been a while since we have been at the 1/4 mile, especially now that the closest track is 200 miles away. My Goat did 13.07@108 at Fontana, (1200ft elevation, 2000+ DA) but it was M6, with a CAI, Mufflers and no tune. I have a friend with a 5.0 CS, with a CAI and tune, A6, and he was running 12.8's@110 at Fontana before it closed down 5-6 months ago. 12.6@112 at Famoso, which is a better elevation track, so you should be there with the LT's an traction, but your trap would be lower at stock weight, Don't know what you've done for weight reduction, but some skinnies up front, and a torque converter, and your car would pick mph and ET very well as well.

Check in the Cali section of the ls1gto forum, look for a handlename Bluhaven, Kevin and Brenda are both down to earth, and would tell you how their Goat fare against this cars. Brenda drives that GTO faster than Kevin but don't tell him that:), they have a full exhaust LS2 GTO, a4 with CAI, MT's and skinnies,big stall, tune etc, one of the fastest bolt-ons N/A Goat's around our track on almost stock weight, they're at our local 1/8 track almost every Thursday, they run 7.3-7.4's or so, while 5.0 stangs with CAI, CB, Tune and drags in the back are around 7.6-7.7's.

Good run, only reason i picked the cobra because i thought you were not getting all the details, some say pulley,tune,etc but its really a monster kb lol, good runs though,im shocked it was that bad but he must have been honest with his 415,good kill

they have a full exhaust LS2 GTO, a4 with CAI, MT's and skinnies,big stall, tune etc, one of the fastest bolt-ons N/A Goat's around our track on almost stock weight, they're at our local 1/8 track almost every Thursday, they run 7.3-7.4's or so, while 5.0 stangs with CAI, CB, Tune and drags in the back are around 7.6-7.7's.

Damn man. That's a great time. My times don't sound to impressive to run a 5.0. They seem about stock 5.0 times. Best I have done is 12.50 at 113 with a 1.9 60'. My next mod will be a stall, because even with DR's, my car can not do better then 1.9. With a stall, I would expect 1.6-1.7 an a high 11 or low low 12. I have seen high 11's from stalled Auto's with less power then me trapping the same or slightly less. I have removed V-brace, Gas tank brace, empty trunk, weight saved from converting to catless LT's, and a catback with x-pipe and lighter muffler's, no skid plate, front crash bar removed, then little things like no hood liner, Vararam as opposed to stock intake, cut out metal between trunk and rear seats. And for the track, I will take out passenger and rear seats sometimes. Debating on a stall, or gears as my next mod along with a good street tune from another tuner. My trap speed is good for a bolt-on 6.0 at normal weight, but feel it should be 113-114 with all my weight reduction. I know I need to get out of the hole better, and want my tune looked at for better trap. Funny story, there is blacked out 5.0, super loud, with black aftermarket 19's or 20's. I followed him around town one day (and he followed some of my turns) to try to line up with him. He never ran me though, I figure because we never had more then a1/5 mile opening. I saw him at the track, and it was a bolt-on and procharged 5.0. Glad he decided not to completely eat my shit alive on the street, because that's exactly what he would have done. Probably would have been 20 car lengths lol


My best 1/8th is a low low 8.1 at 89mph=/

Anything is possible on the street :)

if the numbers were sae, it doesnt matter
You sure about that? Pulled timing, heat soak, etc. All will result in a car being down on power. SAE can't correct for that.

While i know your being sarcastic... id have to agree. They can be made fast just like any other car. Good platform to work off of (blower+forged internals)... but also like any other car, 9 out of 10 with the same mods... dont perform. id love to see how the cobras perform with a tvs 2300 on them.


Having a pulley swap can mean anything. On this site, I have seen more pulley swapped Cobra's than any other site I hang out on. It's always at minimum Cam Only cars racing against pulley swapped cars, and IMO to think that a pulley swapped Cobra is going to run with a Cam Only car makes the Cobra over rated.

Ok, it has a 1.8 upper pulley/ unkown bottom and a canned pulley tune

Having a pulley swap can mean anything. On this site, I have seen more pulley swapped Cobra's than any other site I hang out on. It's always at minimum Cam Only cars racing against pulley swapped cars, and IMO to think that a pulley swapped Cobra is going to run with a Cam Only car makes the Cobra over rated.

Strong sarcasm.

^^^ What he said. Cobra is getting a good tune and cai and wants a remach to regain some dignity, since i destroyed him <<<---- His words

On a side note, last weekend was cruise night, and its HUGE here in nebraska. Around 300 cars show up and cruise. 3 day long event.

That guy couldn't shift worth a damn and why do people short shift so bad? I just don't understand. Correcting for both of those I still think you would have won, but what a putz in that car.

Yes, he didnt do so hot the first race. But the second race was good. He short shifted a touch into second but stayed even. If he cant drive that bad then he shouldnt have beat that other cobra i posted.

^^^ What he said. Cobra is getting a good tune and cai and wants a remach to regain some dignity, since i destroyed him <<<---- His words

On a side note, last weekend was cruise night, and its HUGE here in nebraska. Around 300 cars show up and cruise. 3 day long event.



:)

I had the Steig stg 4 Port Cobra by 3-4 cars by top of 3rd. Started in at a 20mph roll both in 1st, No video tho... But was a decent guy, talked cars for awhile, still doesnt change my mind, 03/04 Cobra > GT500,'11 5.0GT!!! BEST MUSTANG to date IMO, although I havent seen any '13 GT500's

I believe the cobra you raced chris was a 2.8 Upper Stock Lower car with a SCT tune..

He ran at the track saturday night.... best run was a 13.8 @ 106mph IIRC...
5000FT DA in 90* heat with 40% humidity isnt good on PD blower car unless your spraying some chemicals in there to keep it cool!

Lj his pulley says 1.8 on the front of it, it has allen bolts and looks to be a multiple piece design. The pulley on that mystichrome 04 was much bigger and looked nothing like his. He has a video from saturday night of a run 13.2 not sure mph. Not that it would have been enought to come close to beating me. Like i stated earlier i think it should be faster than it is.....

Lj his pulley says 1.8 on the front of it, it has allen bolts and looks to be a multiple piece design. The pulley on that mystichrome 04 was much bigger and looked nothing like his. He has a video from saturday night of a run 13.2 not sure mph. Not that it would have been enought to come close to beating me. Like i stated earlier i think it should be faster than it is.....

I might have missed his 13.2 Run... I was hoping to run him but it didnt end up working out....

Side note, I had and 11.11 @ 123.05 w/ a 1.67 60'ft!

as for the 1.8 pulley that would be INSANELY SMALL!!! Belt Wrap wouldn't exsist and the car would have a ton of belt slip with that small of a upper pulley.... anything below a 2.76 is pretty much asking for belt slip issues. Just stating some common 112 Eaton facts

But I havent studied around the EATON Terminator world of things for a couple years now since Ive got the Z06. So maybe theres new stuff out...

Im sure Heater or Unit213 are more up to date than myself


Great Kill either way!!! Gotta remember your an 04 LS1 GTO going up against a pullied cobra!! 5 years ago this wouldve been a awesome match to watch on streetfire!

EDIT: It is a 2.8 upper pulley, stock lower i believe.

Ill be back in tomorrow to fill in details, but i was walking him so bad he refused a roll race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnpKK1GtUmk&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM8zsbuI-44&feature=plcp

omfg, you call your car fast for beating this?? wow you can seriously tell the guy is a beginner, lmfao shifting at 5k much?? and he will stop all his pull and start under 3500 rpm i guarantee you that, btw he sucks at shifting.

this is real racing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTcLikD26jA&list=UUZlBX68nhTOE44RDn7IIlGg&index=1&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6FJhZINCHs&list=UUZlBX68nhTOE44RDn7IIlGg&index=5&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7KW9WukMXg&list=UUZlBX68nhTOE44RDn7IIlGg&index=4&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UiMaYbp4iQ&list=UUZlBX68nhTOE44RDn7IIlGg&index=3&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ7mBw2hPHs&list=UUZlBX68nhTOE44RDn7IIlGg&index=2&feature=plcp

my truck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY-6gfVCGRI&list=UUZlBX68nhTOE44RDn7IIlGg&index=8&feature=plcp

so like i said, come at me when you beat something decent or you atleast stick to something decent

omfg, you call your car fast for beating this?? wow you can seriously tell the guy is a beginner, lmfao shifting at 5k much?? and he will stop all his pull and start under 3500 rpm i guarantee you that, btw he sucks at shifting.

this is real racing

my truck

so like i said, come at me when you beat something decent or you atleast stick to something decent

I thinks I get a little dumber every time I read one of your posts.

omfg, you call your car fast for beating this?? wow you can seriously tell the guy is a beginner, lmfao shifting at 5k much?? and he will stop all his pull and start under 3500 rpm i guarantee you that, btw he sucks at shifting.

this is real racing

my truck

so like i said, come at me when you beat something decent or you atleast stick to something decent

I know you have been told this before, but I feel it needs to driven home with you... never go full retard!

I know you have been told this before, but I feel it needs to driven home with you... never go full retard!

^^^^LMFAO

Thanks man, I needed that