Street Racing & Kill Stories - E92 M3 vs LS3 SS vs SRT8

Headed back from watching my boy get a dyno tune on his LS3 10' SS we run across a matte red E92 M3 with an aftermarket exhaust and Im assuming it was a DCT because he was using the paddle shifters. I was in my 6.1 SRT8 (intake, tune, catback) and the SS was following (LS3, Intake, Catback, LT's, Dyno Tune) the M3 revved at us and took off and slowed down but it was traffic ahead so he had to hit the brakes so I pull up on him drop it in first and hammer it for a second to let him know hes not in for an easy kill. He rolls down the window and says wanna go and points at the on ramp to the highway so we let him get over and follow. We line up 3 wide with the m3 in the middle he says on 3 from a 40 roll. He honks it off, we were all dead even for maybe 2 seconds when myself and the SS started to pull on him we went all the way up to about 130 where I held a solid car on him and I had maybe fender on my friends SS we were basically glued together. The M3 wanted another roll but this time from a 70. Not that good for me or the SS so the M3 gets a half a car jump this time but by 110 or so we both start reeling him in. We stopped again around 130 where I had half a car on him and the SS was at his door but reeling him in when we shut down. Me and the SS both had 1 passenger both girls :hump: but get this. The whole time there was a white 335i following us trying to keep up and come to find out it was the M3 guys girlfriend and another girl. Felt bad we had to do him like that......not lol

Cliff Notes:
DCT Exhaust E92 M3 gets beat by Tune, intake, catback 6.1 SRT8 and Bolt on, Tuned LS3 SS from a 40 roll and a 70 roll.

My thoughts on the E92:
I think alot of people give these cars to much credit in a straight line and honestly they are NOT as fast as people make them out to be. Most say they are 12.3-12.4 cars but realistically they are more like 12.7-12.8 cars in stock form. This is my 5th race with a E92 M3 and it was pretty much the same outcome every time. I did beat a E90 M3 4 door by about 2 cars so I assume they are a little slower. Even the guys on the SRT8 forums say stay away from the E92 M3's but I have had different results. I have driven the E92 M3 when I was considering one it has no low end power what so ever but alot of top end.

looked just like this
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4650/m3pp.jpg

good thing it wasn't a mach 1 or we would have been toast

nice work. A mach 1 would have decimated all. Or if you had really bad luck, you will run into a 300whp civic.

nice work. A mach 1 would have decimated all. Or if you had really bad luck, you will run into a 300whp civic.

if I even see a 300whp civic i pull over and turn my car off until he passes

if I even see a 300whp civic i pull over and turn my car off until he passesI drove past a civic with an front mount earlier, I quickly hid my car in the nearest ditch, I was scared I wouldn't make it home...

I drove past a civic with an front mount earlier, I quickly hid my car in the nearest ditch, I was scared I wouldn't make it home...

LMAO they have that effect on us :engarde:

I drove past a Civic today in my truck on the way to work

Thankfully I'm in a truck, so I could have just drove over the little Jap

I drove past a Civic today in my truck on the way to work

Thankfully I'm in a truck, so I could have just drove over the little Jap

Probably was just a 299whp civic. If it was a 300whp one, you would have exploded.

Yea its against the laws of physics to damage one with 300 or more whp. And good call on everyone being safe and pulling over.

lol
Good Kill OP

Good Kill NiteRiderWS6, hopefully ill get a run with one soon. I live close to burbank and glendale area persian/armenians love that car and as populated area this is with bmw's its only a matter of time, lol.

We should all pitch in and buy a 300whp civic and a bolt on mach1 to represent ls1tech in forum wars.

Yea its against the laws of physics to damage one with 300 or more whp. And good call on everyone being safe and pulling over.

Only a 300whp civic can damage a 300whp civic. Most of the time, it happens at the launch, and requires the zamboni afterwards.

Good kill OP. I think the only reason it might be overrated, is because the M fanboys swear they can beat Lamborghinis and everything stock, and because too many people believe 'em.

The numbers of the M3 are spot on, and its not overrated in my opinion, although you can do better most of the time in a bolt on 335xi, both at a dig, and at a roll.

Good kills. Whats mod listing for the SRT8 and SS?

at least you didn't have an old guy in a black on black trans am come through your area asking everyone he saw if they knew where to find the silver trans am thats around. fucking weird right?

OLD ASS MEN BE GAY LOOKIN FO ME

Only a 300whp civic can damage a 300whp civic. Most of the time, it happens at the launch, and requires the zamboni afterwards.

Good kill OP. I think the only reason it might be overrated, is because the M fanboys swear they can beat Lamborghinis and everything stock, and because too many people believe 'em.

The numbers of the M3 are spot on, and its not overrated in my opinion, although you can do better most of the time in a bolt on 335xi, both at a dig, and at a roll.

Good kills. Whats mod listing for the SRT8 and SS?



335xi= Lots of Fun. That thing has impressive torque and the way it delivers it is very smooth. Excellent car.

Good Kill! I've yet to run one but I've been wanting to for a while in my bolt on WS6

Good Kill NiteRiderWS6, hopefully ill get a run with one soon. I live close to burbank and glendale area persian/armenians love that car and as populated area this is with bmw's its only a matter of time, lol.

My girl is persian and my boy with the SS is armenian this happened in glendale haha you are right on the money :cheers: you shouldn't have a problem with a E92 with your mods especially since you have a custom tune im still on the 91 Canned Tune

Only a 300whp civic can damage a 300whp civic. Most of the time, it happens at the launch, and requires the zamboni afterwards.

Good kill OP. I think the only reason it might be overrated, is because the M fanboys swear they can beat Lamborghinis and everything stock, and because too many people believe 'em.

The numbers of the M3 are spot on, and its not overrated in my opinion, although you can do better most of the time in a bolt on 335xi, both at a dig, and at a roll.

Good kills. Whats mod listing for the SRT8 and SS?

SRT8: CAI, Predator 91 Tune, Corsa Xtreme Catback
SS: CAI, LT's, Catback, Dyno Tune

Sweeeeeettttt.....

Here's the deal from an unbiased M3 owner. The E92 series M3 with the 6mt is capable of 12.7 and 12.8's. The DCT or dual clutch trans is much quicker and capable of running consistent 12.4's and 12.5's. Trap speed may be higher as well.

The op is absoloutely correct in saying that the 4.0 l S65B40 (M3 engine) has zero low end. My car with bolt ons puts out more torque than a stock E92 M3. Sadly when you have a high compression low displacement V8 it is completely understandable. However, up top is where the car really shines as the op stated. So if you have a bolt on SS or bolt on SRT-8 and going from a 40 roll. You will pull. At 40 mph I am pretty sure you said you kicked it down to first. So you're putting out nearly twice the amount of torque so I would expect you to get the jump. Same goes for the SS. A 70 roll is much more in favor of the
M3's gearing. 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th gears are nightmares when compared to other cars. I know for sure my car going from a 40 roll is much quicker in 3rd, 4th and 5th, and when going from a 60 roll, my 4th and 5th gear are my hardcore pull gears. So anytime when going from a 40 roll, I am typically able to pull a good car back if I am able to stop a cars pull once I hit 3rd gear if that makes sense. What really helps the M3's is not just our gearing but its' the high redline. I shift at much more awkward times than any other car out there. Once I get my headers, exhaust, and tune I can hold 3rd til 110, 4th til 148, and 5th will carry me until 175 mph and 6th I should be able to clear 180 mph before I need more power to go any faster. And the car doesn't really stop a strong pull until 160 mph. After that it takes its time til 170 mph in 5th gear with my current mods.

But good kill op. I look forward to running a stock SRT-8 charger. Should be a good run for me from a roll.

Here's the deal from an unbiased M3 owner. The E92 series M3 with the 6mt is capable of 12.7 and 12.8's. The DCT or dual clutch trans is much quicker and capable of running consistent 12.4's and 12.5's. Trap speed may be higher as well.

The op is absoloutely correct in saying that the 4.0 l S65B40 (M3 engine) has zero low end. My car with bolt ons puts out more torque than a stock E92 M3. Sadly when you have a high compression low displacement V8 it is completely understandable. However, up top is where the car really shines as the op stated. So if you have a bolt on SS or bolt on SRT-8 and going from a 40 roll. You will pull. At 40 mph I am pretty sure you said you kicked it down to first. So you're putting out nearly twice the amount of torque so I would expect you to get the jump. Same goes for the SS. A 70 roll is much more in favor of the
M3's gearing. 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th gears are nightmares when compared to other cars. I know for sure my car going from a 40 roll is much quicker in 3rd, 4th and 5th, and when going from a 60 roll, my 4th and 5th gear are my hardcore pull gears. So anytime when going from a 40 roll, I am typically able to pull a good car back if I am able to stop a cars pull once I hit 3rd gear if that makes sense. What really helps the M3's is not just our gearing but its' the high redline. I shift at much more awkward times than any other car out there. Once I get my headers, exhaust, and tune I can hold 3rd til 110, 4th til 148, and 5th will carry me until 175 mph and 6th I should be able to clear 180 mph before I need more power to go any faster. And the car doesn't really stop a strong pull until 160 mph. After that it takes its time til 170 mph in 5th gear with my current mods.

But good kill op. I look forward to running a stock SRT-8 charger. Should be a good run for me from a roll.
So fast would you say a bolt on e92 m3 is capable of? I have a buddy who used to have a bolt-on (headers, exhaust, intake, tune) and he was trying to convince me it was Z06 fast and 0-60'd in like 3 seconds. I :lol:ed

Just a cliff note, I love E92 M3s and 335i Coupe/Sedan, so don't think I am talking shit about them or BMW at all

So fast would you say a bolt on e92 m3 is capable of? I have a buddy who used to have a bolt-on (headers, exhaust, intake, tune) and he was trying to convince me it was Z06 fast and 0-60'd in like 3 seconds. I :lol:ed

Just a cliff note, I love E92 M3s and 335i Coupe/Sedan, so don't think I am talking shit about them or BMW at all

Not really Z06 fast. At least not the later C5's with 405 hp. Might be able to hang with a 385 hp one though. I have seen a couple in the 11.8-.9 range at 118 though with some light bolt ons.

Oh, another thing I forgot to mention. When you have a M3 with bolt ons, it really matters what bolt ons you add. A lot of parts do not expose all the potential of the engines. For instance my cann tune right now is holding me back from making an extra 10 rwhp by switching to a great custom mapped tune. But the price difference is what is keeping me content until I add more bolt ons. With full bolt ons that 10 rwhp difference becomes more like 20-40 rwhp depending on your modifications. I have ran a bolt on M3 and mine with just an intake was able to pull his because of his lack of proper modification. Just be leary of that because the M3's that you run may not be as deadly as some of the others that this other SRT-8 has ran because there is definitely a large difference.

Also if he had a DCT transmission. There's also a .4 second difference in the 60-130 mph times, depending on which shift mode he has selected. If he has selected D2 which is the slowest his 60-130 times are .4 slower and his 1/4 mile trap is 1-2 mph slower as well. With his car in D5 or S6 mode he is shifting .08 milliseconds vs .20 milliseconds. It's funny because I just learned this today. Everything these cars are capable of can easily be deteriated just by the drivers knowledge.

Not really Z06 fast. At least not the later C5's with 405 hp. Might be able to hang with a 385 hp one though. I have seen a couple in the 11.8-.9 range at 118 though with some light bolt ons.

Oh, another thing I forgot to mention. When you have a M3 with bolt ons, it really matters what bolt ons you add. A lot of parts do not expose all the potential of the engines. For instance my cann tune right now is holding me back from making an extra 10 rwhp by switching to a great custom mapped tune. But the price difference is what is keeping me content until I add more bolt ons. With full bolt ons that 10 rwhp difference becomes more like 20-40 rwhp depending on your modifications. I have ran a bolt on M3 and mine with just an intake was able to pull his because of his lack of proper modification. Just be leary of that because the M3's that you run may not be as deadly as some of the others that this other SRT-8 has ran because there is definitely a large difference.

Also if he had a DCT transmission. There's also a .4 second difference in the 60-130 mph times, depending on which shift mode he has selected. If he has selected D2 which is the slowest his 60-130 times are .4 slower and his 1/4 mile trap is 1-2 mph slower as well. With his car in D5 or S6 mode he is shifting .08 milliseconds vs .20 milliseconds. It's funny because I just learned this today. Everything these cars are capable of can easily be deteriated just by the drivers knowledge.
I saw a few videos for the VF Engineering VF620 and VF650 and think they are definitely great cars with the DCT. Just not sure I'd want to pay that much when I can buy a 335i Coupe and do a tune and bolt ons and be M3 fast on the cheap.

Apples to oranges, I know

I saw a few videos for the VF Engineering VF620 and VF650 and think they are definitely great cars with the DCT. Just not sure I'd want to pay that much when I can buy a 335i Coupe and do a tune and bolt ons and be M3 fast on the cheap.

Apples to oranges, I know

Yea, but it's legitimate to at least give it some thought. I know when I bought my M3 I definitely considered a 335i. I could easily be seeing mid to low 12's with the same amount of money. But standard lsd, high revving lovely sounding I6, etc not included. An M car is something special. It's like if you saw a low mileage C5 Z06 for sale and a low mileage C5 FRC for the same price. Which would you buy? I'd have the Z06.

My girl is persian and my boy with the SS is armenian this happened in glendale haha you are right on the money :cheers: you shouldn't have a problem with a E92 with your mods especially since you have a custom tune im still on the 91 Canned Tune

She's a HOT armenian too!


I drove past a civic with an front mount earlier, I quickly hid my car in the nearest ditch, I was scared I wouldn't make it home...

Careful what you wish for:
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/582435_10150907654378809_13535714_n.jpg

She's a HOT armenian too!
:cheers:

Good Kill NiteRiderWS6, hopefully ill get a run with one soon. I live close to burbank and glendale area persian/armenians love that car and as populated area this is with bmw's its only a matter of time, lol.

What can we say, we like the finer things in life ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFXFyuP5Two

Not really Z06 fast. At least not the later C5's with 405 hp. Might be able to hang with a 385 hp one though. I have seen a couple in the 11.8-.9 range at 118 though with some light bolt ons.

Oh, another thing I forgot to mention. When you have a M3 with bolt ons, it really matters what bolt ons you add. A lot of parts do not expose all the potential of the engines. For instance my cann tune right now is holding me back from making an extra 10 rwhp by switching to a great custom mapped tune. But the price difference is what is keeping me content until I add more bolt ons. With full bolt ons that 10 rwhp difference becomes more like 20-40 rwhp depending on your modifications. I have ran a bolt on M3 and mine with just an intake was able to pull his because of his lack of proper modification. Just be leary of that because the M3's that you run may not be as deadly as some of the others that this other SRT-8 has ran because there is definitely a large difference.

Also if he had a DCT transmission. There's also a .4 second difference in the 60-130 mph times, depending on which shift mode he has selected. If he has selected D2 which is the slowest his 60-130 times are .4 slower and his 1/4 mile trap is 1-2 mph slower as well. With his car in D5 or S6 mode he is shifting .08 milliseconds vs .20 milliseconds. It's funny because I just learned this today. Everything these cars are capable of can easily be deteriated just by the drivers knowledge.

You think you can gain 40whp with a tune on an E46 M3? I think thats a little out there.

Careful what you wish for:
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/582435_10150907654378809_13535714_n.jpgBAHAHAH Like a boss!

Good kills!

I ran a friend's 2011 M3 (manual) and I beat him pretty good, so we figured it was a crappy starting speed. I asked him what his best speed was and he chose 50 mph and for that race we were door to door. He raced one of his friends with the DCT setup and they were door to door. I think it would take some great driving and awesome weather for them to hit the 113-114 mph traps that they are supposedly capable of.

Good kills!

I ran a friend's 2011 M3 (manual) and I beat him pretty good, so we figured it was a crappy starting speed. I asked him what his best speed was and he chose 50 mph and for that race we were door to door. He raced one of his friends with the DCT setup and they were door to door. I think it would take some great driving and awesome weather for them to hit the 113-114 mph traps that they are supposedly capable of.

That was when you were bolt ons right?

Yeah, my current setup, just not spraying.

You think you can gain 40whp with a tune on an E46 M3? I think thats a little out there.

Sounds like it is, but like I said it really depends on the modifications. Specifically, we have what is called Alpha-N tuning which is specific to a CSL intake manifold. In short, the E46 M3 comes standard with individual throttle bodies, plastic plenum, and a restrictive intake. The CSL is a carbon airbox with a much less restrictive intake system along with a MAF delete. The Alpha-N tuning is the only tune to recognize the lack of a MAF sensor. A CSL intake modified M3 will make minimal gains without a proper tune. In many cases it will actually cause the car to lose power with any other off the shelf tune. Thus, many people who upgrade to the Alpha-N tuning have made 40-50 rwhp with the car properly running with actual gains of up to 30 rwhp over a factory manifold. Along with other exhaust modifications and some head work it's very likely to see 370-380 rwhp naturally aspirated. However, with all that being said it comes at a hefty price. The CSL intake is $3000, head porting $3000, valve adjustment another $500, and of course you have to have it all installed and dyno tuned so another $1500. All that for a total of anywhere between $8-$9k dollars in realistic terms.

nice work. A mach 1 would have decimated all. Or if you had really bad luck, you will run into a 300whp civic.

You're going to have another thread closed with this BS?
Shit is getting real old man. Time to break out your joke book and find another line. Don't ya think?

Wow. The last, I don't know, 10 pages of my last 2 threads I didn't really post that much in. Every other retard took the reins there. + it was a joke.