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LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-21-2012, 07:06 PM
Tonight is the night I've been waiting for... My buddy Which has been dodging me lately agreed to head to mexico and have some fun.

His Mods As i recall...
M6
2.75 SC Pulley
Full Exhst bolt ons, catless
CAI
373 gears
SCT Tuner
UD Pulley
And His 100 Wet shot Of Nitrous

VS

A4 2002 Trans Am... Mods In sig.

We will be doing a 30 per my request, and a 60 per his request. Footage will be obtain and will post ASAP.

Thoughts?...






GOT THESE VIDS TODAY SUNDAY 7/29/12.... ALL DAY RUNS!!!

20 ROLL...
http://youtu.be/wsmKjaDlckw

30 roll... best speed for rolls, that and 20.
http://youtu.be/iM-oV1iTjyM


50 ROLL...
http://youtu.be/W30asIdVUgk


40 ROLL...
http://youtu.be/jmwcHUIWBgA


40 ROLL PT 2... My worst speed at rolls
http://youtu.be/OhJoqlQzkJA


60 ROLL...
http://youtu.be/QeV0nasvct8

jarheadtex
07-21-2012, 07:24 PM
If he hooks on the spray..I think he should have you covered....but idk your car runs pretty good.

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-21-2012, 07:28 PM
If he hooks on the spray..I think he should have you covered....but idk your car runs pretty good.

Yeah, im excited... Im sure it'll be a Dog Fight. I've been trying to beat this fucker for a while, lol

therobman
07-21-2012, 07:28 PM
he will destory you wont even be a race on the juice hes pushing 550-570 on a good day if your lucky maybe just breaking 400 unless u also got some spray up ur alley

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-21-2012, 07:30 PM
he will destory you wont even be a race on the juice hes pushing 550-570 on a good day if your lucky maybe just breaking 400 unless u also got some spray up ur alley

^^^^^^^^ :devil:


I got some adjustments... IDK my actual HP Now, so Havent updated sig.
I'll make sure to post footage, win or lose.

jarheadtex
07-21-2012, 07:32 PM
Yeah, im excited... Im sure it'll be a Dog Fight. I've been trying to beat this fucker for a while, lol

thats awesome what you did with your TA I followed the rebuild thread. I sold mine a few months ago and MISS it. Good luck, have fun and be safe!

82cetuner
07-21-2012, 07:49 PM
yup you are smoked, my buddy has the same 04 cobra but with just a little bit smaller pully but not by much and dont even a few other small bolt ons and he put down 430 on a mustang dyno and does ok keeping up with my built ls3 until 4th gear when I leave him in the dust.

82cetuner
07-21-2012, 07:50 PM
im sure with your buddy on spray he is right there with my freind on power if not more

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-21-2012, 07:51 PM
thats awesome what you did with your TA I followed the rebuild thread. I sold mine a few months ago and MISS it. Good luck, have fun and be safe!

Oh wow, thanks for following that thread!!! *Rising from the ashes* Thread was deff a journey with my TA.

After all the Mods in sig, My tune had been an issue... Along with some new tricks it currently runs great.
I'll post all details later.

Thanks for posting!...:cheers:

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-21-2012, 07:54 PM
yup you are smoked, my buddy has the same 04 cobra but with just a little bit smaller pully but not by much and dont even a few other small bolt ons and he put down 430 on a mustang dyno and does ok keeping up with my built ls3 until 4th gear when I leave him in the dust.

im sure with your buddy on spray he is right there with my freind on power if not more

Ahh man!... Lie to me atleast, and say its going to be ok. lolz!!!
His car is a beast for sure, I just have faith, that my ride will put up a good fight.

adamantium
07-21-2012, 07:59 PM
So is that ALL the mods in your sig? or do you have heads aswell? I dont see you keeping up if so. That cobra should be in the 120s.

Mike Morris
07-21-2012, 08:17 PM
Race him from a dig. You might win. I killed many like that without spray from a dig when I was cam only. Any kind of roll and you are dead

Imstock2
07-21-2012, 08:48 PM
better hope he can't hook...

NastyTBSS
07-21-2012, 09:11 PM
better hope he can't hook...

I agree... I think the 30 will be a good one with him playing catch up, I think he will have a steady walk from the 60. I'll be waiting make me a lier!!!!:corn:

Imstock2
07-21-2012, 09:23 PM
A 550-570rwhp cobra should be trapping 125-128ish.. I know a guy when he had the stock drivetrain with 580rwhp traps 125-129 depending if it's cold out.. I personally seen him do a 11.1 @126mph spun first.. He couldn't do a dig on the road but then again it was whippled/bolt on cobra.. You might be lucky to trap 112-115

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-21-2012, 09:28 PM
ok guys, ill be back later on tonight or early morning 2-3am ish with vids and results...

Wish me luck...

1_MEANZ28
07-21-2012, 09:41 PM
U have a very strong cam only ls1... He would probly beat u with that 100 shot.. Spray to even the odds or add some good heads!!!..good luck with the runs

1_MEANZ28
07-21-2012, 10:54 PM
best of luck..I see u giving him a good run from the 30 roll gl on the 60 roll

KBsvt2003
07-22-2012, 03:14 AM
If that Cobra is on street tires you will pull him because he will spin like no other. But if hes on tire your going to get WALKED!

Better buy a nitrous kit and even it up

evangto87
07-22-2012, 06:26 AM
OP, i think by UD pulley, you might mean OD pulley. Having a UD pulley would have negative results

HioSSilver
07-22-2012, 07:15 AM
Where's the vid/results? Why would you want a 30 biscuit and not a dig?:)

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-22-2012, 09:35 AM
Cops raided both our 1st and 2nd location at meet last night... We still ran, but he bitched out, and got drunk within 30 mins of leaving his house (Claimed by text he sent me)... Typical Douche bag that is affraid of getting beat... NOT STANG BASHING!

I did run a 600+ twin turbo z, and a 420rwhp Cam only TA... Vids on buddy's Go pro.

So you guys have an Idea what it would of been like... Here are some VIDS of the Termi Vs a 96SVT

http://youtu.be/2lVY7bB2xUs

http://youtu.be/uZ6T4Q_6Kes



Now me Vs that same red 96SVT... Dont be fooled by the 96snk, Its an insanely quick car for what he claims has been done to it.

http://youtu.be/fXKJ0DmrhVg


cobra runs out of spray...
http://youtu.be/6cA48FjN9-c




The race vs the 04 cobra is still pending... Just waiting for him to quit being a bitch and do this.

2SSARME
07-22-2012, 10:56 AM
We are talking about a 550+ rwhp cobra vs your....what? 450rwhp TA?


lol.

evangto87
07-22-2012, 11:06 AM
We are talking about a 550+ rwhp cobra vs your....what? 450rwhp TA?


lol.

raced a lot of cobras... seems they need 100whp on a good running NA car to make it a race. Dont know why. It just is..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VybXwTKbvEM

Cobra is 100lbs heavier then the ss... but has a much faster shifter... Plus camaro clutch was weak. Slipped a bit on every shift

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-22-2012, 11:15 AM
We are talking about a 550+ rwhp cobra vs your....what? 450rwhp TA?


lol.

Flame on... Yeah im at 450, lol :devil:

1_MEANZ28
07-22-2012, 12:26 PM
good runs vs the sn95

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-22-2012, 02:15 PM
http://youtu.be/8LoTnZIobWM



Only a couple of runs last night... Gave a handicap to a 420 TA and even'd it out.

This one was me at the right point, with a passenger in my ride for a change.


http://youtu.be/H9IlrlqV4Kw

NastyTBSS
07-22-2012, 04:14 PM
Same videos. And why was that car smoking so much?? He should have that looked at.

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-22-2012, 04:17 PM
Same videos. And why was that car smoking so much?? He should have that looked at.

Sorry bout that... I'll fix here in a second.

As far as the smoking car... that was a 700hp 300zx that asked me if he could run with us, I said yea sure. Not knowing it was a monster TT set up. His motor blew, or something like that... Dont wish bad on no one, but im glad it did, It would of made us look like dicks standing in the middle of the highway.

Theblacknightls1
07-22-2012, 04:36 PM
^When my car is ready I would like to run your beast ;)

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-22-2012, 04:43 PM
^When my car is ready I would like to run your beast ;)

Yeah sure thing man! Im all about the thrill, not a track record... I may be upping the HP and gears soon.


Mods/HP?...

HioSSilver
07-22-2012, 04:45 PM
raced a lot of cobras... seems they need 100whp on a good running NA car to make it a race. Dont know why. It just is..


I've said this before....and got chastised.

Theblacknightls1
07-22-2012, 04:48 PM
Yeah sure thing man! Im all about the thrill, not a track record... I may be upping the HP and gears soon.


Mods/HP?...

Srt 4 so shooting between 480 -550 on a mustang Dyno. Built motor big turbo and e85

HioSSilver
07-22-2012, 04:51 PM
Sorry bout that... I'll fix here in a second.

As far as the smoking car... that was a 700hp 300zx that asked me if he could run with us, I said yea sure. Not knowing it was a monster TT set up. His motor blew, or something like that... Dont wish bad on no one, but im glad it did, It would of made us look like dicks standing in the middle of the highway.

No way dude...this import shit don't blow up.:eyes:

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-22-2012, 04:56 PM
No way dude...this import shit don't blow up.:eyes:


Im serious man, he's on our local forum... His shit suffered some major engine failure. Hasnt quite gotten a full diagnostic, but its dow.

Theblacknightls1
07-22-2012, 04:56 PM
raced a lot of cobras... seems they need 100whp on a good running NA car to make it a race. Dont know why. It just is..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VybXwTKbvEM

Cobra is 100lbs heavier then the ss... but has a much faster shifter... Plus camaro clutch was weak. Slipped a bit on every shift

Well stock for stock they need 60 wheel hp more to beat down a fbody just saying but like any car some run better than others.

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-22-2012, 04:58 PM
Srt 4 so shooting between 480 -550 on a mustang Dyno. Built motor big turbo and e85

Oh fuck! that wont even be a race... You'll roll all over me. My current set up is not worthy of a race with you. I'll be swapping the 323 for 373's and going 150 shot.

Then it'll be more even...

Theblacknightls1
07-22-2012, 05:06 PM
Traction not in my favor so just depends. Numbers sound great but putting it down on the street will be challenging. Your car moves out well love the color.

HioSSilver
07-22-2012, 05:16 PM
Im serious man, he's on our local forum... His shit suffered some major engine failure. Hasnt quite gotten a full diagnostic, but its dow.

For sure it sucks for him, but he had to know it was coming. The guy that tunes my car just wired a ls2 swap for a guy in a 350 Z. Can ya guess why?????? He was tired of blowing up motors.

Theblacknightls1
07-22-2012, 05:17 PM
For sure it sucks for him, but he had to know it was coming. The guy that tunes my car just wired a ls2 swap for a guy in a 350 Z. Can ya guess why?????? He was tired of blowing up motors.

Ls swap anything is the way to go. Reliable and great performance. :usa:

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-22-2012, 05:26 PM
Traction not in my favor so just depends. Numbers sound great but putting it down on the street will be challenging. Your car moves out well love the color.

True^^^... OK, let me know when you'll be ready. Then I'll let you know when Im on the 150 shot, and try again.

Thx on the paint! Its a custom pearl silver, and stripes...

Check this thread out, lol!!!... http://ls1tech.com/forums/new-ls1-owners-newbie-tech/1463926-rising-ashes.html

djfury05
07-22-2012, 08:27 PM
Oh fuck! that wont even be a race... You'll roll all over me. My current set up is not worthy of a race with you. I'll be swapping the 323 for 373's and going 150 shot.

Then it'll be more even...

Why 3.73s? I say go 4.10s.. Sweet vids btw. Good luck on your race with the Termi from the SN95 vids looks like you'll beat him pretty easily.

KFC_Or_Bust
07-23-2012, 02:21 AM
I want a piece of SicSVT when/if he comes out again... I think it'd be a close race between us 3.

snake95
07-23-2012, 04:00 AM
Ls swap anything is the way to go. Reliable and great performance. :usa:

I noticed your sig has been changed. Still have the Cobra?

Heater
07-23-2012, 08:14 AM
raced a lot of cobras... seems they need 100whp on a good running NA car to make it a race. Dont know why. It just is..




Takes more horsepower to push more weight.

evangto87
07-23-2012, 08:38 AM
Takes more horsepower to push more weight.

the 2 cars in the video i posted are 150lbs apart and 100whp apart... And im talking about when i had my gto that made mid 450s whp. No eaton cobra was even close and they all had more hp.

ScreaminRedZ
07-23-2012, 09:18 AM
raced a lot of cobras... seems they need 100whp on a good running NA car to make it a race. Dont know why. It just is..

450 rwhp pullied Cobras walk 350 rwhp bolt-on fbodies from my experience, and my buddy's 520 rwhp Cobra MURDERED my 420 rwhp Z28.

Theblacknightls1
07-23-2012, 09:57 AM
I noticed your sig has been changed. Still have the Cobra?

Had a guy offer me good money for it that I couldn't turn down so I sold it. Been looking for a 03-04 cobra now but trying to get my neon up and running.

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-23-2012, 10:30 AM
Kfc... Off bottle, we will both absolutely murder sicsvt in his termi off bottle. On 100 shot is where it gets interesting.

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-23-2012, 10:47 AM
Djfury... I will be goin 410s. Im sure its gona pull pretty good. Thx!

djfury05
07-23-2012, 11:35 AM
Djfury... I will be goin 410s. Im sure its gona pull pretty good. Thx!

Good choice :cheers:

evangto87
07-23-2012, 12:29 PM
450 rwhp pullied Cobras walk 350 rwhp bolt-on fbodies from my experience, and my buddy's 520 rwhp Cobra MURDERED my 420 rwhp Z28.

My buddies 475whp cobra put a half a car on my buddies 335whp bolt on fbody. That cobra in the video made 105whp more then the SS and was the slower car. The kid in the 625whp cobra is a better driver then me. That 335whp bolt on fbody consisted of kooks headers, cut out, ls6 intake, lid, 4.10s, clutch. That gt500 i raced put a car on me with almost 200whp more. With a better driver, maybe 2 cars. Before that SS had the 403... he had a 450whp ls1... he crushed my buddies cobra on the roll that made 517whp.

ScreaminRedZ
07-23-2012, 01:34 PM
My buddies 475whp cobra put a half a car on my buddies 335whp bolt on fbody. That cobra in the video made 105whp more then the SS and was the slower car. The kid in the 625whp cobra is a better driver then me. That 335whp bolt on fbody consisted of kooks headers, cut out, ls6 intake, lid, 4.10s, clutch. That gt500 i raced put a car on me with almost 200whp more. With a better driver, maybe 2 cars. Before that SS had the 403... he had a 450whp ls1... he crushed my buddies cobra on the roll that made 517whp.

If something doesn't seem right then it probably isn't. If you think a 475 rwhp Cobra just edging out an fbody with 140 less rwhp is normal or should have happened then I don't know what to say :lol:

Jay z28
07-23-2012, 01:49 PM
I'm confused by the title of this thread. Is it a 2004 Cobra, an 03 Cobra, or is it actually one of those rare 2004 03 Cobras?

On a serious note, what would you guesstimate your car actually makes?

oddwraith
07-23-2012, 01:53 PM
Tonight is the night I've been waiting for... My buddy Which has been dodging me lately agreed to head to mexico and have some fun.

His Mods As i recall...
M6
2.75 SC Pulley
Full Exhst bolt ons, catless
CAI
373 gears
SCT Tuner
UD Pulley
And His 100 Wet shot Of Nitrous

VS

A4 2002 Trans Am... Mods In sig.

We will be doing a 30 per my request, and a 60 per his request. Footage will be obtain and will post ASAP.

Thoughts?...

I actually think you will fair out ok. If your car is dialed in properly it'll be a good race. I put my money on you in the 30, and him in the 60 :nod:.

Theblacknightls1
07-23-2012, 03:23 PM
My buddies 475whp cobra put a half a car on my buddies 335whp bolt on fbody. That cobra in the video made 105whp more then the SS and was the slower car. The kid in the 625whp cobra is a better driver then me. That 335whp bolt on fbody consisted of kooks headers, cut out, ls6 intake, lid, 4.10s, clutch. That gt500 i raced put a car on me with almost 200whp more. With a better driver, maybe 2 cars. Before that SS had the 403... he had a 450whp ls1... he crushed my buddies cobra on the roll that made 517whp.

LOL your buddy needs to learn how to drive

Redfire 03
07-23-2012, 04:57 PM
LOL @ Bolt-on LS1's staying within a car of pullied/bolt-on Terminator's. Can't even take the SRK serious anymore.

work in progress
07-23-2012, 05:00 PM
he will kill you... Ask me how I know.

Imstock2
07-23-2012, 07:03 PM
LOL @ Bolt-on LS1's staying within a car of pullied/bolt-on Terminator's. Can't even take the SRK serious anymore.

Ikr... People try to hide there builds... and yet they're walking cars that trap 4-6mph more then the average car with there mods.. Seriously... what does an average bolt-on f body traps? I'm not asking the fastest gutted bolt-on F body traps.. Just because one or 2 car's made that trap doesn't mean all the sudden all f-bodys trap it.

Mike Morris
07-23-2012, 07:32 PM
I trapped 113MPH which is barely faster than a stocker

ScreaminRedZ
07-23-2012, 07:59 PM
Mine was a consistent 111 mph car with bolt-ons and I hit 113-114 on a Hail Mary day weather wise at Atco.

99peweterls1
07-23-2012, 08:06 PM
I trapped 113MPH which is barely faster than a stocker

Full exhaust, ls6 intake, tune.. I was a solid 113 car, went 114 on occasion. Hard top car, spare and jack remove only on 18" chrome c5z replicas.

Heater
07-23-2012, 08:40 PM
LOL @ Bolt-on LS1's staying within a car of pullied/bolt-on Terminator's. Can't even take the SRK serious anymore.



Wait, wut? You took SRK seriously???

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-23-2012, 08:41 PM
I'm confused by the title of this thread. Is it a 2004 Cobra, an 03 Cobra, or is it actually one of those rare 2004 03 Cobras?

On a serious note, what would you guesstimate your car actually makes?

Sorry about the misleading thread title... On your serious note, If i can walk a 420ish Ls1, from a 30 roll. Your guess is as good as mine. I say 400+ with the help of the stall.

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-23-2012, 08:46 PM
Race him from a dig. You might win. I killed many like that without spray from a dig when I was cam only. Any kind of roll and you are dead

His 1/4 was a 11.3x, with a 1.6 60ft with full slicks... His trap was 117.

My trap was a 114, DA was high, so dont know if that could of affected my Speed... Also, not sure if my 3800 stall kills trap speed.

99peweterls1
07-23-2012, 08:46 PM
My friends 2.75, orx, borla stinger , tuned 04 vert was a 118-121 car on various runs. My car during it's bolt-on stage wasn't touching that. Lol

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-23-2012, 09:27 PM
My friends 2.75, orx, borla stinger , tuned 04 vert was a 118-121 car on various runs. My car during it's bolt-on stage wasn't touching that. Lol


That would of been a stretch...

99peweterls1
07-23-2012, 09:32 PM
Right.... Hence not stock internally anymore lol.

oddwraith
07-23-2012, 10:10 PM
I think guys are giving too much credit to "pullied". It makes a huge difference, yes. But get real.

oddwraith
07-23-2012, 10:11 PM
It's like the infamous ls1 dusting everything in it's path, get real. Some do, some certainly do not.

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-23-2012, 10:13 PM
I think guys are giving too much credit to "pullied". It makes a huge difference, yes. But get real.


Too much credit?! Are you serious?... They are awesome rides, and it takes some wrench turning to hang with pully, bolt on snakes.

oddwraith
07-23-2012, 10:14 PM
Yup, and it takes some wrench turning to get them to run to full potential. Am I wrong here? Are you implying all pullied cars are the same?

oddwraith
07-23-2012, 10:17 PM
Just tired of tired sayings. Pullied cobras waxin' asses and yadda yadda. A well put together bolt on stalled ls1 can certainly hang with a properly running 'bra with a wheel. Again, where you guys get this shit?

HioSSilver
07-23-2012, 10:29 PM
Ikr... People try to hide there builds... and yet they're walking cars that trap 4-6mph more then the average car with there mods.. Seriously... what does an average bolt-on f body traps? I'm not asking the fastest gutted bolt-on F body traps.. Just because one or 2 car's made that trap doesn't mean all the sudden all f-bodys trap it.

Well driven bolt-on fbody's with a 6 speed should trapp 114-117. I went 113 with mac headers/ory, free mods, mass air, udp and a airlid at full weight less spare/jack. Still had a ls1 intake and on the stock cat back and stock gear . Now with fast intakes, kooks headers and some other tid bits 115+ should be easy.

Theblacknightls1
07-23-2012, 11:36 PM
Well driven bolt-on fbody's with a 6 speed should trapp 114-117. I went 113 with mac headers/ory, free mods, mass air, udp and a airlid at full weight less spare/jack. Still had a ls1 intake and on the stock cat back and stock gear . Now with fast intakes, kooks headers and some other tid bits 115+ should be easy.

Not sure about 115-117 trap. Should at least be cammed to trap 117

evangto87
07-23-2012, 11:41 PM
Cobra trapped 117 with 475whp... the bolt on f body with 335whp trapped 115. they both went 12.1. So sorry... did anyone actually watch the video of i posted of the 403 ss with 520whp racing the 2.8 kb cobra with 625whp?? Or do people just ignore what they dont like to see?

evangto87
07-23-2012, 11:43 PM
Not sure about 115-117 trap. Should at least be cammed to trap 117

117 will take a bit of weight pulled. But my buddies car literally rolled 335whp... had ls6 intake, lid, kooks headers, cut out, clutch, 4.10s.. Stock SS wheels and 0 weight reduction. He went 113.7 on the rev limiter, raised the rev limiter and went 115.

evangto87
07-23-2012, 11:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY7uS3zol5w

Here that camaro running the track before he raised the rev limiter

Theblacknightls1
07-24-2012, 12:17 AM
My H/C/I/E ta was a 119-120mph car. My cammed bolt on Ss trap was 115 stock 105 trap. Bolt ons 109 trap

KFC_Or_Bust
07-24-2012, 02:11 AM
On your serious note, If i can walk a 420ish Ls1, from a 30 roll. Your guess is as good as mine. I say 400+ with the help of the stall.

Ummm.. You didn't walk me, we were dead even dude! Don't spray next time and we'll see who walks who lol. I'm on pump, you're on race fuel, zero weight reduction in my car so let's set the stories straight now, shall we? What you see in my sig is exactly what I have... .610/.614 cam, exhaust, gears, tune. Stock paper weight 853 heads and LS1 intake.

adamantium
07-24-2012, 02:23 AM
That SS sounds BADASS.

Heater
07-24-2012, 02:23 AM
Ooooh, this might get good!

KFC_Or_Bust
07-24-2012, 02:26 AM
BTW, while we're on the topic of trap speeds I've gone a best of 115 a couple of times. Don't know the DA but the last time I did it was at TAD and it's pretty much the worst prepped track of all time, not to mention I have junk 255 Kumho's on. 2.0 60 ft, best ET of 12.5 but that's to be expected on those tires with stock suspension and a grave fear of the 10 bolt.

adamantium
07-24-2012, 02:38 AM
Ummm.. You didn't walk me, we were dead even dude! Don't spray next time and we'll see who walks who lol. I'm on pump, you're on race fuel, zero weight reduction in my car so let's set the stories straight now, shall we? What you see in my sig is exactly what I have... .610/.614 cam, exhaust, gears, tune. Stock paper weight 853 heads and LS1 intake.

the truth shall set you freeeee

KFC_Or_Bust
07-24-2012, 02:45 AM
Lol just sick of people thinking my car is a slow, big cam piece of shit getting beat by a small cam/stall car, it makes me look bad and it's not the truth!

Saturday night I sure did get beat one race where I started in 1st and spun most of second, that proof is on the GoPro video that still hasn't surfaced yet... But the proof is in the pudding with the video of the second race where you see us neck and neck at 145.

Sure, his T/A beat me a few weeks back, as described in his other thread. BUT I did have a 350 lb passenger and a "tune" doing more harm than good.

That was then, this is now, our cars are pretty much dead nut even, trap just about the same speed, just on different setups. I want to run this sprayed Cobra more than anything right now, the dude just pulls a disappeared act it seems though!! lol

HioSSilver
07-24-2012, 07:19 AM
Not sure about 115-117 trap. Should at least be cammed to trap 117
Not really......maybe if someone cammed before all bolt-ons.
117 will take a bit of weight pulled. But my buddies car literally rolled 335whp... had ls6 intake, lid, kooks headers, cut out, clutch, 4.10s.. Stock SS wheels and 0 weight reduction. He went 113.7 on the rev limiter, raised the rev limiter and went 115.

I went 113, add fast intake over the ls1, ewp, better than my stock cat-back or a cut out, the kooks header are much better than the macs, add some 3.73's. Those mods alone would be worth a solid 3-4 mph at full weight.

Now if you wanna talk some weight reduction, tuning and some other tid bits I can see one goin 117+ pretty easy.

ScreaminRedZ
07-24-2012, 07:58 AM
Demonicbird00 had one of the most serious 6-speed bolt-on cars I've seen, with his best being 11.81 @ 117. His weight reduction/aero mods were to the point that he would pull his rear spoiler off the car. He also only ran at Atco in cold weather. Once the warm weather hit he would put the weight back in the car and just drive it on the street.

Cobra trapped 117 with 475whp...

He must be the actual worst driver in the world. My friend, who to this day is one of the worst drivers I've seen, was able to go 117 mph in his 44x rwhp Cobra with a basic setup.

Also, the CTS-V raced two basic pullied Cobras that were in the 440-460 rwhp range and they were great races, with the V just edging them out. How do you think the V would have done against a 340 rwhp fbody?

PewterScreaminMach
07-24-2012, 08:07 AM
There are so many things I wanna say in this thread, but I'm just going to sit back and enjoy it...:D

:corn:

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-24-2012, 08:11 AM
Kfc... Your ta is a slow big cam pos. Haha! Just kidding. You cab come inspect my car any time. Show me where the bottle is... I am going wet kit, 150 shot. That 145 mph race, was handicapped, and I had a passenger. Sorry u dnt like the facts, but its true. Ill show u what a proper launch looks like next time we are out. Plus! M6 should b able to beat an A4 on a roll, specially if HP is ballpark on both cars

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-24-2012, 08:15 AM
To your off topic 1/4mile... My 60 was 2.0, on nittos. Et 12.0.

HioSSilver
07-24-2012, 08:46 AM
Demonicbird00 had one of the most serious 6-speed bolt-on cars I've seen, with his best being 11.81 @ 117. His weight reduction/aero mods were to the point that he would pull his rear spoiler off the car. He also only ran at Atco in cold weather. Once the warm weather hit he would put the weight back in the car and just drive it on the street

I can understand what your sayin. But I've I've trapped as high as 130.4 and 129-130+ 10 times, if the trapps were right....some call bs on that. Even if it was bs I have 126+ at 2 different tracks so that is for sure not bs but those were not the exact same as the car was when it trapped 130.

Now with that said I only make about 60hp more then a ls1. A stock ls1 in my car replacing the ls6 it should go around 120 give or take. And that's not making any changes that would keep it from being a dd'd street car. .....ie no parts missing.

ScreaminRedZ
07-24-2012, 08:52 AM
I can understand what your sayin. But I've I've trapped as high as 130.4 and 129-130+ 10 times, if the trapps were right....some call bs on that. Even if it was bs I have 126+ at 2 different tracks so that is for sure not bs but those were not the exact same as the car was when it trapped 130.

Now with that said I only make about 60hp more then a ls1. A stock ls1 in my car replacing the ls6 it should go around 120 give or take. And that's not making any changes that would keep it from being a dd'd street car. .....ie no parts missing.

I'm not saying that a bolt-on fbody can't trap up in that range (116-117 or maybe even higher), just making the point that it's not going to be your average bolt-on setup and it's not going to be at an average track.

V8EATR
07-24-2012, 08:57 AM
I can understand what your sayin. But I've I've trapped as high as 130.4 and 129-130+ 10 times, if the trapps were right....some call bs on that. Even if it was bs I have 126+ at 2 different tracks so that is for sure not bs but those were not the exact same as the car was when it trapped 130.

Now with that said I only make about 60hp more then a ls1. A stock ls1 in my car replacing the ls6 it should go around 120 give or take. And that's not making any changes that would keep it from being a dd'd street car. .....ie no parts missing.

A stock LS1 going 120mph is fine, with 1200lbs of weight reduction.

Theblacknightls1
07-24-2012, 08:57 AM
With full weight and a stock t56 I don't see how a bolt on ls1 can trap that high.

evangto87
07-24-2012, 09:47 AM
Demonicbird00 had one of the most serious 6-speed bolt-on cars I've seen, with his best being 11.81 @ 117. His weight reduction/aero mods were to the point that he would pull his rear spoiler off the car. He also only ran at Atco in cold weather. Once the warm weather hit he would put the weight back in the car and just drive it on the street.



He must be the actual worst driver in the world. My friend, who to this day is one of the worst drivers I've seen, was able to go 117 mph in his 44x rwhp Cobra with a basic setup.

Also, the CTS-V raced two basic pullied Cobras that were in the 440-460 rwhp range and they were great races, with the V just edging them out. How do you think the V would have done against a 340 rwhp fbody?

That cobra went 12.1 at 117 and and the SS went 12.1 at 113 on the limiter. That cobra now has a ported blower and a solid axle swap. With slicks on the car he best an 11.7 at 120. They were literally side by side from a slow roll with the cobra starting to pull away at speed above 110 or so and it was a very slow pull. Ive also raced my buddies pullied ported cobra in the boss the same way i raced you. Ive seen him trap 120... supposedly hes gone 124 but ive never seen it nor do i believe it. I raced him from 50-115 and i was ahead by a car length. Another friend of mine who owns a speed shop and lives and breathes building mustangs, had a pullied cobra with exhaust and air intake... made 44Xwhp. He went 11.8 at 115 with it. HP for HP the cobras do not perform like an n/a f body.

In my experience, they need 100whp more then a good running (key words) NA car to make it a good race. That was 475whp vs 335whp. Im willing to be if that f body had another 40whp... it wouldnt have been pretty for that cobra. Now even up the drivers, and thats an even race. The fbody driver is better, but the cobra driver isnt that bad. 12.1 at 117 and 11.7 at 120 really isnt that bad of driving.

As far as the V racing the cobras. Did the V have the intake and tune yet? Maybe the cobra owner just found a lucky pulley setup that made good power and didnt over spin the blower. Seems to be a big fault with these cars. Most guys just pulley the living shit out of them and the car rolls more power on the dyno. But at the track when you have to use all your gears or on the roll, your blower is heat soaking crazy from being over spun. Example of that is my friends GT500 (god i know a lot of people lol) had an air intake and tune and made 500whp. His car went 11.6 at 122 on street tire(best street tire driver ive ever seen, but can launch a drag radial car for shit). He pullied up pretty aggressive, made 550whp. Went back to the trap, hasnt broken 12.0 at 118 yet. He lost rev rpm and is heating the blower pretty bad. He now has to grab fourth gear instead of riding out third. And the car has gotten slower on the roll too. Its much snappier and is stronger in a 1 gear pull... but losses steam up top.

If i had to guess... the V racing the SS im talking about, would have probably edged him out to no more then 2 cars. Me and the V were pretty close and i dont suspect beating that SS by much more then a car. Where i would start to pull the SS hard is at speeds over 130mph. The V had me by about a half car every single race where i stopped his pull at around 145 and just sat there till we let out.

evangto87
07-24-2012, 09:52 AM
I actually agree with HIO on this one. That SS trapped 115 with nothing other then kooks headers, cut out, lid, ls6 intake, 4.10s, light flywheel/clutch. No weight reduction. Add a fast, ud pulley, ewp (should be worth 20whp combined) and yank some weight outta the car. It should be able to get damn near close to 120. That SS surprised the shit out of a lot of people on the roll. Even beat a couple stock c5zs. We all thought it was a freak... nope... made 335whp and raceweight was 3600lbs. He just coulda drive it to its absolute peak potential. And his 12.1 passes were done by slipping the clutch since he didnt want to pop the rear end. If he could have launched that car hard, he would have touched 11s.

oddwraith
07-24-2012, 09:54 AM
I'm not saying that a bolt-on fbody can't trap up in that range (116-117 or maybe even higher), just making the point that it's not going to be your average bolt-on setup and it's not going to be at an average track.

I can agree with this. Also, I was thinking a little weight out too. :)

ScreaminRedZ
07-24-2012, 09:58 AM
That cobra went 12.1 at 117 and and the SS went 12.1 at 113 on the limiter. That cobra now has a ported blower and a solid axle swap. With slicks on the car he best an 11.7 at 120. They were literally side by side from a slow roll with the cobra starting to pull away at speed above 110 or so and it was a very slow pull. Ive also raced my buddies pullied ported cobra in the boss the same way i raced you. Ive seen him trap 120... supposedly hes gone 124 but ive never seen it nor do i believe it. I raced him from 50-115 and i was ahead by a car length. Another friend of mine who owns a speed shop and lives and breathes building mustangs, had a pullied cobra with exhaust and air intake... made 44Xwhp. He went 11.8 at 115 with it. HP for HP the cobras do not perform like an n/a f body.

In my experience, they need 100whp more then a good running (key words) NA car to make it a good race. That was 475whp vs 335whp. Im willing to be if that f body had another 40whp... it wouldnt have been pretty for that cobra. The fbody driver is better, but the cobra driver isnt that bad. 12.1 at 117 and 11.7 at 120 really isnt that bad of driving.

As far as the V racing the cobras. Did the V have the intake and tune yet? Maybe the cobra owner just found a lucky pulley setup that made good power and didnt over spin the blower. Seems to be a big fault with these cars. Most guys just pulley the living shit out of them and the car rolls more power on the dyno. But at the track when you have to use all your gears or on the roll, your blower is heat soaking crazy from being over spun. Example of that is my friends GT500 (god i know a lot of people lol) had an air intake and tune and made 500whp. His car went 11.6 at 122 on street tire(best street tire driver ive ever seen, but can launch a drag radial car for shit). He pullied up pretty aggressive, made 550whp. Went back to the trap, hasnt broken 12.0 at 118 yet. He lost rev rpm and is heating the blower pretty bad. He now has to grab fourth gear instead of riding out third. And the car has gotten slower on the roll too. Its much snappier and is stronger in a 1 gear pull... but losses steam up top.

I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree. My heads/cam/100 shot Z28 was only a car or car and a half from two different ported blower Cobras (one made 500 and one made 487). The 487 rwhp Cobra walked PSM's 409 rwhp (117-121 mph depending on the track and weather) Z28 pretty good. My car on the same setup was about 1-1.5 cars ahead of a 556 rwhp GT500, so 118 mph is clearly something wrong.

Either way, agree to disagree :cheers:

Theblacknightls1
07-24-2012, 10:05 AM
That cobra went 12.1 at 117 and and the SS went 12.1 at 113 on the limiter. That cobra now has a ported blower and a solid axle swap. With slicks on the car he best an 11.7 at 120. They were literally side by side from a slow roll with the cobra starting to pull away at speed above 110 or so and it was a very slow pull. Ive also raced my buddies pullied ported cobra in the boss the same way i raced you. Ive seen him trap 120... supposedly hes gone 124 but ive never seen it nor do i believe it. I raced him from 50-115 and i was ahead by a car length. Another friend of mine who owns a speed shop and lives and breathes building mustangs, had a pullied cobra with exhaust and air intake... made 44Xwhp. He went 11.8 at 115 with it. HP for HP the cobras do not perform like an n/a f body.

In my experience, they need 100whp more then a good running (key words) NA car to make it a good race. That was 475whp vs 335whp. Im willing to be if that f body had another 40whp... it wouldnt have been pretty for that cobra. Now even up the drivers, and thats an even race. The fbody driver is better, but the cobra driver isnt that bad. 12.1 at 117 and 11.7 at 120 really isnt that bad of driving.

As far as the V racing the cobras. Did the V have the intake and tune yet? Maybe the cobra owner just found a lucky pulley setup that made good power and didnt over spin the blower. Seems to be a big fault with these cars. Most guys just pulley the living shit out of them and the car rolls more power on the dyno. But at the track when you have to use all your gears or on the roll, your blower is heat soaking crazy from being over spun. Example of that is my friends GT500 (god i know a lot of people lol) had an air intake and tune and made 500whp. His car went 11.6 at 122 on street tire(best street tire driver ive ever seen, but can launch a drag radial car for shit). He pullied up pretty aggressive, made 550whp. Went back to the trap, hasnt broken 12.0 at 118 yet. He lost rev rpm and is heating the blower pretty bad. He now has to grab fourth gear instead of riding out third. And the car has gotten slower on the roll too. Its much snappier and is stronger in a 1 gear pull... but losses steam up top.

If your buddy traps 113 and your buddy in the cobra traps 120 it wouldnt have been a slow pull after 110mph. Hp for hp fbody will out run a cobra I agree but 100whp yeah maybe trying to run a ls1 corvette or a weight reduction fbody.

evangto87
07-24-2012, 10:10 AM
If your buddy traps 113 and your buddy in the cobra traps 120 it wouldnt have been a slow pull after 110mph. Hp for hp fbody will out run a cobra I agree but 100whp yeah maybe trying to run a ls1 corvette or a weight reduction fbody.

im not quite sure you read what i posted completely. I said the ss did 113...on the limiter, it went 115 raising the limiter. The cobra did 117 when the raced....115mph vs 117mph.. sorry but thats a drivers race. The cobra NOW has gone 11.7 at 120 with a ported blower and solid axle swap.

evangto87
07-24-2012, 10:11 AM
I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree. My heads/cam/100 shot Z28 was only a car or car and a half from two different ported blower Cobras (one made 500 and one made 487). The 487 rwhp Cobra walked PSM's 409 rwhp (117-121 mph depending on the track and weather) Z28 pretty good. My car on the same setup was about 1-1.5 cars ahead of a 556 rwhp GT500, so 118 mph is clearly something wrong.

Either way, agree to disagree :cheers:

Its all good... just different experiences. All of these races btw are mid summer races.. not 30 degree weather where the cobras will shine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_smnzHkGeE&feature=youtu.be

That same SS racing a ws6 with the same exact mods....WS6 also had bogarts. This is literally the different between great driver and good driver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VybXwTKbvEM

520whp 403 with weak clutch and decent driver VS 625whp Vert cobra with great driver (weight difference is 150lbs)

oddwraith
07-24-2012, 10:14 AM
Good point too.

oddwraith
07-24-2012, 10:17 AM
I just think there's a significant difference between pullied cars. Some run like they're ported it seems, or maybe it's some ported eatons run like pulley swaps. Either way I'd love to own a black 03/04 to match my hawk. I'd just do bolt ons and pulley swap and call myself happy. I had no idea about those cars back in 03/04 to be honest, and probably wouldn't have wanted to pay for one new at that time.

evangto87
07-24-2012, 10:20 AM
I just think there's a significant difference between pullied cars. Some run like they're ported it seems, or maybe it's some ported eatons run like pulley swaps. Either way I'd love to own a black 03/04 to match my hawk. I'd just do bolt ons and pulley swap and call myself happy. I had no idea about those cars back in 03/04 to be honest, and probably wouldn't have wanted to pay for one new at that time.

my guess is its finding the sweet spot between making more power and not over spinning the blower.

Theblacknightls1
07-24-2012, 10:20 AM
im not quite sure you read what i posted completely. I said the ss did 113...on the limiter, it went 115 raising the limiter. The cobra did 117 when the raced....115mph vs 117mph.. sorry but thats a drivers race. The cobra NOW has gone 11.7 at 120 with a ported blower and solid axle swap.

Yeah I didn't read that correctly. Your right.

8ty8 LS1
07-24-2012, 10:32 AM
Demonicbird00 had one of the most serious 6-speed bolt-on cars I've seen, with his best being 11.81 @ 117. His weight reduction/aero mods were to the point that he would pull his rear spoiler off the car. He also only ran at Atco in cold weather. Once the warm weather hit he would put the weight back in the car and just drive it on the street.

lol that is my new brother in-law. he was going for the cam only record about a year ago when he spun a rod bearing. he just got his engine back and is looking to hit the streets in about a week or two. When he went into weight reduction mode, there was nothing on the car. no interior (door panels, console, etc) lol he'd even go so for to pull off his mirrors and everything. But i'm expecting him to be quite fast at the end of this track season....

adamantium
07-24-2012, 10:58 AM
Since we are in the topic of 115mph bolt on cars heres a local guys z28 hardtop, mods are Pacesetter LT's/TSP true duals/whisper lid/ported tb/pb pulley/tuned.

Stock clutch, suspension & rear-end w/245 nitto 555Rs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DVKEhgHv5w

ScreaminRedZ
07-24-2012, 11:02 AM
lol that is my new brother in-law. he was going for the cam only record about a year ago when he spun a rod bearing. he just got his engine back and is looking to hit the streets in about a week or two. When he went into weight reduction mode, there was nothing on the car. no interior (door panels, console, etc) lol he'd even go so for to pull off his mirrors and everything. But i'm expecting him to be quite fast at the end of this track season....

I've hung out with him a few times and he helped me out big time when I blew my rear at Atco a couple years back. Great guy, and it's good to hear that he's gonna be back in the game soon :cheers:

HioSSilver
07-24-2012, 11:46 AM
im not quite sure you read what i posted completely. I said the ss did 113...on the limiter, it went 115 raising the limiter. The cobra did 117 when the raced....115mph vs 117mph.. sorry but thats a drivers race. The cobra NOW has gone 11.7 at 120 with a ported blower and solid axle swap.

That SS needs to chuck the 4.10 for some 3.90's or even 3.73, he will pick up mph. If he had to raise his limiter to get threw the trapps then his car had already fell off. IMO 4.10's is to much for these cars with a stock height tire, been there done that.

92cobranotch
07-24-2012, 12:00 PM
That SS needs to chuck the 4.10 for some 3.90's or even 3.73, he will pick up mph. If he had to raise his limiter to get threw the trapps then his car had already fell off. IMO 4.10's is to much for these cars with a stock height tire, been there done that.

I have some 4:10s forsale for this reason if anyone wants to go through the traps after there power falls of with 26inch tire lol

Redfire 03
07-24-2012, 12:17 PM
That SS needs to chuck the 4.10 for some 3.90's or even 3.73, he will pick up mph. If he had to raise his limiter to get threw the trapps then his car had already fell off. IMO 4.10's is to much for these cars with a stock height tire, been there done that.

Wrong. Everything about this post is wrong.

adamantium
07-24-2012, 12:30 PM
I dont see anything wrong with picking up 2mph from raising a rev limit, seems to have worked for him. Looks like he's leaving the traps right at redline aswell. Which is what you want.

evangto87
07-24-2012, 12:43 PM
I cant say theres anything wrong about a 4.10 in these cars. What about the cars that make power to 7k? You always want to be at the top of a gear coming through the traps. Gearing is all relative to how your car makes power and how it revs. One advantage of 4.10s, is you gain fifth as a power gear for any roll racing

adamantium
07-24-2012, 01:00 PM
I cant say theres anything wrong about a 4.10 in these cars. What about the cars that make power to 7k? You always want to be at the top of a gear coming through the traps. Gearing is all relative to how your car makes power and how it revs. One advantage of 4.10s, is you gain fifth as a power gear for any roll racing

IMO even if your car peaks power at 6200 (for example) and drops off a bit after that but carries it out all the way to 6500 you should shift at 6500 because it will only help when you throw the next gear, you will be in your powerband. Instead of shifting at 6200 falling back out of your powerband and having to wait till 6200 again to hit the peak power.

Redfire 03
07-24-2012, 01:45 PM
I dont see anything wrong with picking up 2mph from raising a rev limit, seems to have worked for him. Looks like he's leaving the traps right at redline aswell. Which is what you want.

Pay attention. I'm saying there is nothing wrong with 4.10s. Many people have run them in their 6spd LS1 car with positive results - me being one of them.

KFC_Or_Bust
07-24-2012, 02:04 PM
Kfc... Your ta is a slow big cam pos. Haha! Just kidding. You cab come inspect my car any time. Show me where the bottle is... I am going wet kit, 150 shot. That 145 mph race, was handicapped, and I had a passenger. Sorry u dnt like the facts, but its true. Ill show u what a proper launch looks like next time we are out. Plus! M6 should b able to beat an A4 on a roll, specially if HP is ballpark on both cars

Lol you're nuts! A 90 lb passenger is hardly a handicap, makes up for the weight reduction I don't have. And you have a stall, it's not like I'm racing a stock stall auto that drops way out of powerband, your car is a beast off the line and especially from a roll.

This week you run with Kyle in your car and we'll see what a true handicap passenger is lmao!!

HioSSilver
07-24-2012, 02:10 PM
Pay attention. I'm saying there is nothing wrong with 4.10s. Many people have run them in their 6spd LS1 car with positive results - me being one of them.

It depends if you wanna be fast or feel fast.

The said SS with 4.10's was hitting the limiter, the stock limiter is 6200rpm. He was 800rpm past peak power at that point as most ls1's will make peak at about 5400rpm.(unless your a 4v mod motor that's not good:) ). A car with 3.90 or 3.73 would be driving away from him at that point......even if he threw 5th.

I've had 4.10's too. I had to change to 3.90 to get the car off the limiter goin threw the trapps. Not only did I pick up et but mph also. When I first put the 4.10's in I did'nt really like them. They did pick the car up a little but looking back even then 3.90 or 3.73 would have been better. I could only trapp 122 with the 4.10's.

Notch's Z28 for instance is running pretty strong but if you gear calculate it 115 is it with 4.10's.......and we want more.

Redfire 03
07-24-2012, 02:55 PM
It depends if you wanna be fast or feel fast.
The said SS with 4.10's was hitting the limiter, the stock limiter is 6200rpm. He was 800rpm past peak power at that point as most ls1's will make peak at about 5400rpm.(unless your a 4v mod motor that's not good:) ). A car with 3.90 or 3.73 would be driving away from him at that point......even if he threw 5th.

I've had 4.10's too. I had to change to 3.90 to get the car off the limiter goin threw the trapps. Not only did I pick up et but mph also. When I first put the 4.10's in I did'nt really like them. They did pick the car up a little but looking back even then 3.90 or 3.73 would have been better. I could only trapp 122 with the 4.10's.

Notch's Z28 for instance is running pretty strong but if you gear calculate it 115 is it with 4.10's.......and we want more.

I beg to differ. When my old car was H/C/I I stepped up to 4.10s from 3.73 and I actually gained a tenth or so...could have been the difference in the conditions I ran in but I never saw the car slow down whatsoever. Never heard anyone else for that matter claim to gain a noticeable difference going from 3.73--->4.10 :confused:

Just ask some of the experienced guys on this very board what they prefer. Majority will tell you, from their experience they prefer a 4.10:1 ratio. lol

adamantium
07-24-2012, 02:58 PM
Pay attention. I'm saying there is nothing wrong with 4.10s. Many people have run them in their 6spd LS1 car with positive results - me being one of them.

Yeah sorry for the confusion my comment was more directed to what hio said about 4.10s and having to rev to compensate for gearing.

Redfire 03
07-24-2012, 03:02 PM
Yeah sorry for the confusion my comment was more directed to what hio said about 4.10s and having to rev to compensate for gearing.

I was being a tad sarcastic. I figured that's where you were coming from.

adamantium
07-24-2012, 03:05 PM
I was being a tad sarcastic. I figured that's where you were coming from.

Oh pssh mah bad :cheers:

HioSSilver
07-24-2012, 04:02 PM
I beg to differ. When my old car was H/C/I I stepped up to 4.10s from 3.73 and I actually gained a tenth or so...could have been the difference in the conditions I ran in but I never saw the car slow down whatsoever. Never heard anyone else for that matter claim to gain a noticeable difference going from 3.73--->4.10 :confused:

Just ask some of the experienced guys on this very board what they prefer. Majority will tell you, from their experience they prefer a 4.10:1 ratio. lol

I am pretty experienced myself. That's how I have come to my conclusions. What was the mph of your h/c car? I picked up .1 and 1 mph initially when I went to 4.10's with the ls6(how much of that could've been conditions I don't know). I never ran 4.10 with the ls1, just the 3.42 and I could out trap 4.10 cars with similar mods and only be off their et by .1.

But I picked up 4mph goin to 3.90 over the 4.10 and .2 tenths. I don't think 3.73 would hurt my car any, and if these last changes do anything I my have to go to 3.73.

A .1 gain is very negligible. I think for as much as 4.10 can help the bottom end they can hurt the top end more. Especially on these cars where you can't utilize the gear because of the rear not being very strong.

ScreaminRedZ
07-24-2012, 07:49 PM
4 mph by swapping to 3.90's from 4.10's? I'm guessing you were on the limiter with the 4.10's.

Heater
07-24-2012, 09:25 PM
I was alway told "don't fear the gear" and it has always worked for me.

HioSSilver
07-24-2012, 10:29 PM
4 mph by swapping to 3.90's from 4.10's? I'm guessing you were on the limiter with the 4.10's.
Yep I was, but it less gear also seemed to help it stay in the meat of the tq curve. I have taken gear out of 2 cars and they both went faster......gears that "experienced" guys recommended.
I was alway told "don't fear the gear" and it has always worked for me.

It does with fords. You guys have to rely on it cause your motors are poop. You have to multiply as much tq as you can because you have none.

PewterScreaminMach
07-25-2012, 08:27 AM
But I picked up 4mph goin to 3.90 over the 4.10 and .2 tenths.

4 mph by swapping to 3.90's from 4.10's? I'm guessing you were on the limiter with the 4.10's.

Yep I was

:lol:

:lurk:

evangto87
07-25-2012, 10:44 AM
I was alway told "don't fear the gear" and it has always worked for me.

agreed. Im contemplating 4.56s in the boss...

evangto87
07-25-2012, 10:47 AM
:lol:

:lurk:

btw completely off topic... but congrats on the new times.. Id love to see what you could get out of that in some nice october air

PewterScreaminMach
07-25-2012, 11:36 AM
btw completely off topic... but congrats on the new times.. Id love to see what you could get out of that in some nice october air

Thanks, man. Me, too. Late Fall or early Winter air in NJ (particularly Atco) may yield some surprising results for a stock 600. Or it may not. You never know until you run it.

Heater
07-25-2012, 03:39 PM
It does with fords. You guys have to rely on it cause your motors are poop. You have to multiply as much tq as you can because you have none.


Nice try at a stab at me; too bad where I got that from was the Chevy camp.

adamantium
07-25-2012, 04:02 PM
It does with fords. You guys have to rely on it cause your motors are poop. You have to multiply as much tq as you can because you have none.

I think that just applies to any motor who needs to rev over 6k to make peak power, gearing up would only help to keep it in its "sweet spot". If we were talking about a big cam LSx car it would apply too, IMO. The reason why your car lost MPH on those gears is because you have a stock cam. What RPM and gear do you leave the traps at, hio?

Heater
07-25-2012, 04:15 PM
I think that just applies to any motor who needs to rev over 6k to make peak power, gearing up would only help to keep it in its "sweet spot". If we were talking about a big cam LSx car it would apply too, IMO. The reason why your car lost MPH on those gears is because you have a stock cam. What RPM and gear do you leave the traps at, hio?


He has "experience", so he already knows that :drive:

Redfire 03
07-25-2012, 06:48 PM
I think that just applies to any motor who needs to rev over 6k to make peak power, gearing up would only help to keep it in its "sweet spot". If we were talking about a big cam LSx car it would apply too, IMO. The reason why your car lost MPH on those gears is because you have a stock cam. WhatRPM and gear do you leave the traps at, hio?

The LS6 cam has a wider 117.5 LSA and will spin higher, past 6200-rpm. Many LS6 guys have raised the limiter with positive results with power trailing off ever so slightly. And no 'Hio did not not pickup .2/4mph solely by going from 4.10s to 3.90s. LOL

adamantium
07-25-2012, 06:53 PM
The LS6 cam has a wider 117.5 LSA and will spin higher, past 6200-rpm. Many LS6 guys have raised the limiter with positive results with power trailing off ever so slightly. And no 'Hio did not not pickup .2/4mph solely by going from 4.10s to 3.90s. LOL

Yeah then nevermind that doesn't make any sense to me.

HioSSilver
07-25-2012, 08:26 PM
I think that just applies to any motor who needs to rev over 6k to make peak power, gearing up would only help to keep it in its "sweet spot". If we were talking about a big cam LSx car it would apply too, IMO. The reason why your car lost MPH on those gears is because you have a stock cam. What RPM and gear do you leave the traps at, hio?
For starts anyone who puts that peaky of a cam in a street car is out to lunch IMO.

I go threw the trapp somewhere around 65-6700rpm. My tach stops moving at 6400 and it stops moving just before the trapps . Limiter set at 7000 now. Hence why I say 3.73 would not hurt the car.
The LS6 cam has a wider 117.5 LSA and will spin higher, past 6200-rpm. Many LS6 guys have raised the limiter with positive results with power trailing off ever so slightly. And no 'Hio did not not pickup .2/4mph solely by going from 4.10s to 3.90s. LOL

Your probably right. You know my car better than me.

adamantium
07-25-2012, 08:29 PM
For starts anyone who puts that peaky of a cam in a street car is out to lunch IMO.

I go threw the trapp somewhere around 65-6700rpm. My tach stops moving at 6400 and it stops moving just before the trapps . Limiter set at 7000 now. Hence why I say 3.73 would not hurt the car.


Your probably right. You know my car better than me.

I see thats good then, whatever your doing is obviously working. Your times back up your claims brah :cheers:

HioSSilver
07-25-2012, 08:38 PM
Nice try at a stab at me; too bad where I got that from was the Chevy camp.

Well I would'nt take any of their advice ;)

HioSSilver
07-25-2012, 08:52 PM
I see thats good then, whatever your doing is obviously working. Your times back up your claims brah :cheers:

Thanks.

The thing is when I first installed the 4.10 it felt a bit low to me, seemed like it was doing more revving than accelerating. But the 4.10 did pick it a little over the 3.42 so I left them in. The car then ran 11.8@119.8. Keep in mind this is the same motor within 20hp on the dyno that ran 11.1@130+ last time at the track. So the car has changed significantly over the past 10yrs of tinkering with it. Now I go back to the dyno next tues. I have found more weight in the car and if my changes to the engine makes much more power(hopefully 8-12 more rwhp) then I'm gonna be out of gear again maybe and have to change to 3.73 or turn a stock headed, stock cam, stock bottom end ls6 7200rpm. Sounds crazy......right.

Bitemark46
07-25-2012, 09:09 PM
I beg to differ. When my old car was H/C/I I stepped up to 4.10s from 3.73 and I actually gained a tenth or so...could have been the difference in the conditions I ran in but I never saw the car slow down whatsoever. Never heard anyone else for that matter claim to gain a noticeable difference going from 3.73--->4.10 :confused:

Just ask some of the experienced guys on this very board what they prefer. Majority will tell you, from their experience they prefer a 4.10:1 ratio. lol

You are wasting your breath. Hihoe turns off logic and mathematics and hundred of proven examples just because his one car did something different. I tried that every same discussion with him. I swapped my 4.56's to 2.73's and picked up 6mph. :drive:

HioSSilver
07-25-2012, 09:40 PM
You are wasting your breath. Hihoe turns off logic and mathematics and hundred of proven examples just because his one car did something different. I tried that every same discussion with him. I swapped my 4.56's to 2.73's and picked up 6mph. :drive:

yeah....but you turn atleast 500 rpm past redline.:secret:

Redfire 03
07-25-2012, 10:01 PM
You are wasting your breath. Hihoe turns off logic and mathematics and hundred of proven examples just because his one car did something different. I tried that every same discussion with him. I swapped my 4.56's to 2.73's and picked up 6mph. :drive:

Sometimes you just gotta let people believe what they choose to. lol Only wish I had known this when I had my F-body. I could have dumped my 4.10s for some 3.23s and got into the 9's. :drive:

HioSSilver
07-25-2012, 10:13 PM
Sometimes you just gotta let people believe what they choose to. lol Only wish I had known this when I had my F-body. I could have dumped my 4.10s for some 3.23s and got into the 9's. :drive:

It's got nothing to do with believing. So your saying I should've left 4.10's in my car and been stuck @ 122mph in the 1/4........ because you believe your right.

Redfire 03
07-25-2012, 11:10 PM
It's got nothing to do with believing. So your saying I should've left 4.10's in my car and been stuck @ 122mph in the 1/4........ because you believe your right.

No offense, but I've never heard these claims from anyone else. 2 tenths/4 mph, you've gotta be kidding :confused: If it worked for you that's great. My 10.13 H/C/I-N20 loved the 4.10s both on motor and bottle. Ask how many others went that route over 3.73 & 3.90 for their setups, but yeah I forgot..were always wrong and you're always right. :)

HioSSilver
07-25-2012, 11:26 PM
And what height rear tire were you running?

Redfire 03
07-25-2012, 11:40 PM
And what height rear tire were you running?

295/35 18 which I believe are a tad over 26".

adamantium
07-26-2012, 12:08 AM
Thanks.

The thing is when I first installed the 4.10 it felt a bit low to me, seemed like it was doing more revving than accelerating. But the 4.10 did pick it a little over the 3.42 so I left them in. The car then ran 11.8@119.8. Keep in mind this is the same motor within 20hp on the dyno that ran 11.1@130+ last time at the track. So the car has changed significantly over the past 10yrs of tinkering with it. Now I go back to the dyno next tues. I have found more weight in the car and if my changes to the engine makes much more power(hopefully 8-12 more rwhp) then I'm gonna be out of gear again maybe and have to change to 3.73 or turn a stock headed, stock cam, stock bottom end ls6 7200rpm. Sounds crazy......right.

I see what your saying maybe change tire size instead?

HioSSilver
07-26-2012, 06:52 AM
295/35 18 which I believe are a tad over 26".
What rpm was you turning? You haven't mentioned you mph either. That tire should be about 1/2" taller than a stock f-body tire. All this shit comes into play. Taller tire = more gear, shorter tire = less gear. I'm dealing with a givin amount of power and don't want the engine having to turn any more power robbing tire or gear then it needs to.
I see what your saying maybe change tire size instead?

Why would I want to do that? Add weight and leverage out on the very end of a 10bolt.......no thanks

I keep my tire tire heights stock or very close to it. This way when I change wheels it has minimal affect on my set up. I use 3 different wheel/tire threw out the year. Stock for winter, 18's with r-compounds when the weather breaks and drag wheels for spring/fall racing

ScreaminRedZ
07-26-2012, 07:44 AM
No offense, but I've never heard these claims from anyone else. 2 tenths/4 mph, you've gotta be kidding :confused:

He gained that mph because he was topping out 4th prior to the end of the track, not because the car was pulling harder with the 3.90's.

A similar thing happens with the G8's. Stock they are either in the middle of a shift into 4th coming through the traps or you manually hold them in 3rd and they come through on the limiter. Holding 3rd is usually better for performance at the track. When you tune them and pick up 12-15 rwhp the cars go 3-4 mph faster. Obviously the horsepower gains aren't enough to reflect that kind of mph gain, but what's really happening is that the rev limiter is raised, so when you hold it in 3rd it accelerates until you cross the line without topping out.

Bitemark46
07-26-2012, 08:26 AM
He gained that mph because he was topping out 4th prior to the end of the track, not because the car was pulling harder with the 3.90's.


Thank you. Running out of rpm either means he shifted to low in the other gears (if other Fbody guys can make it past the traps w/ no probs) or raise the limiter. Not because a numerically lower gear is quicker than a numerically higher gear. Its the same principle on why many 1/8th only cars are geared to the hilt. 5.X+ ratios. Hmm wonder why.

HioSSilver
07-26-2012, 09:05 AM
He gained that mph because he was topping out 4th prior to the end of the track, not because the car was pulling harder with the 3.90's.

A similar thing happens with the G8's. Stock they are either in the middle of a shift into 4th coming through the traps or you manually hold them in 3rd and they come through on the limiter. Holding 3rd is usually better for performance at the track. When you tune them and pick up 12-15 rwhp the cars go 3-4 mph faster. Obviously the horsepower gains aren't enough to reflect that kind of mph gain, but what's really happening is that the rev limiter is raised, so when you hold it in 3rd it accelerates until you cross the line without topping out.
I understand what your saying. But your talking a different cynario. Now this is gonna f you guys up.....lol. In that instance I would put more gear in the car to utilize 4th. Bigger heavier car = more gear.
Thank you. Running out of rpm either means he shifted to low in the other gears (if other Fbody guys can make it past the traps w/ no probs) or raise the limiter. Not because a numerically lower gear is quicker than a numerically higher gear. Its the same principle on why many 1/8th only cars are geared to the hilt. 5.X+ ratios. Hmm wonder why.

Fyi.....all fbody's running 4.11 gear and turning 6800rpm on a 275/50 15 will run the same mph. If they have the power to pull it. Of course their are lots of combinations out there to determine trapp speed. But that combination of gear/tire/rpm will only go 122mph. Now maybe a other less powerful/heavier cars can make it threw the trapps on that combo.......hell I did once upon a time. But I can't anymore.

ScreaminRedZ
07-26-2012, 09:11 AM
I understand what your saying. But your talking a different cynario. Now this is gonna f you guys up.....lol. In that instance I would put more gear in the car to utilize 4th. Bigger heavier car = more gear.

I agree that more gear in the G8 would be the way to go, however I was just giving an example to show why you gained the mph you did. When you say I swapped 3.90's in and ditched my 4.10's and picked up 2 tenths and 4 mph then people will think if you take a stock or mildly modded fbody and swap in both sets of gears then the 3.90's will far out perform the 4.10's.

HioSSilver
07-26-2012, 09:18 AM
There is no doubt that in a fbody the 3.90 will out perform the 4.10/4.11. That's what people should think for that car.

ScreaminRedZ
07-26-2012, 09:24 AM
I don't have enough experience with them both to make the argument one way or the other, but whichever is better, it's going to be by a marginal amount.

HioSSilver
07-26-2012, 09:26 AM
You guys are trying to raise your limiter and accelerate outside your rev/power limit. I don't see how that could ever be good for a street car.

HioSSilver
07-26-2012, 09:32 AM
I don't have enough experience with them both to make the argument one way or the other, but whichever is better, it's going to be by a marginal amount.

The 4.10 was topped out. 122mph was it on the said gear/tire/rpm combo. I could've raised rpm. But why? It was well beyond it's power peak then and needed a gear change. Now the fast intake changed my upper power a bit and now I turn it 7000. Changes begat changes but the 3.90 would've worked better either way.

ScreaminRedZ
07-26-2012, 09:42 AM
Your car was topping out 4th and therefore you gained a lot because you had stopped accelerating at the end of the track with the 4.10's.

The same will not be true with a car that isn't topping out 4th gear (a stock fbody for example).

HioSSilver
07-26-2012, 10:07 AM
Your car was topping out 4th and therefore you gained a lot because you had stopped accelerating at the end of the track with the 4.10's.

The same will not be true with a car that isn't topping out 4th gear (a stock fbody for example).

For sure. But any car with the same gear/tire/rev limit will top out at the same mph.

For a stock fbody 4.10 is still to much gear. It was already said that guy had to raise his rev limit to get to 115. Stock rev limit is 6200 now he\ you wants to turn a stock ls1 6400. Please tell how turning up to 1000rpm past peak power makes any sense. A bolt-on car would be better suited with 3.73.

Bitemark46
07-26-2012, 10:22 AM
For sure. But any car with the same gear/tire/rev limit will top out at the same mph.

For a stock fbody 4.10 is still to much gear. It was already said that guy had to raise his rev limit to get to 115. Stock rev limit is 6200 now he\ you wants to turn a stock ls1 6400. Please tell how turning up to 1000rpm past peak power makes any sense. A bolt-on car would be better suited with 3.73.

Because that last 300ft or so when the car is past its peak is better to keep it in the higher rpms and same tranny gear than to swap down to a numerically lower ratio because by swapping to a lower ratio you just lost all that extra acceleration of the first 1000ft that steeper gear provided. Remember, any car spends the majority of the ET in the first part of the track where a steeper gear always performs better than a lower ratio does.

There I go, I got into it again. I never learn.

HioSSilver
07-26-2012, 10:42 AM
Because that last 300ft or so when the car is past its peak is better to keep it in the higher rpms and same tranny gear than to swap down to a numerically lower ratio because by swapping to a lower ratio you just lost all that extra acceleration of the first 1000ft that steeper gear provided. Remember, any car spends the majority of the ET in the first part of the track where a steeper gear always performs better than a lower ratio does.

There I go, I got into it again. I never learn.

Lol.....no you don't. I'm not talking super stock set-ups. This is the street car section. I want my car to pull threw the trapps. That way when I come across someone like your set up in a impromptu street race from some rolling speed it looks like I put train lengths on them.

Bitemark46
07-26-2012, 10:59 AM
Yes, you do. I can provide data to back up my claims (and have presented it to you before but for anomoly reason you couldn't view it). Haha. You have ADD? We just had 2 pages of nothing but discussion about racing at a 1/4 mile track and you go off on a tangent about roll racing on the street. I give up.

Redfire 03
07-26-2012, 11:44 AM
Thank you. Running out of rpm either means he shifted to low in the other gears (if other Fbody guys can make it past the traps w/ no probs) or raise the limiter. Not because a numerically lower gear is quicker than a numerically higher gear. Its the same principle on why many 1/8th only cars are geared to the hilt. 5.X+ ratios. Hmm wonder why.

Exactly. I'm not going to waste time with such a stupid argument that most of us know the answer to. lol :drive:

Oh, and 4.10 > 3.90 or 3.73 any day of the week.

Redfire 03
07-26-2012, 11:50 AM
There is no doubt that in a fbody the 3.90 will out perform the 4.10/4.11. That's what people should think for that car.

Post proof to back your claim. I absolutely HATE when people make generalized statements and don't provide shot to back it up. Post real world results please.

HioSSilver
07-26-2012, 11:53 AM
Yes, you do. I can provide data to back up my claims (and have presented it to you before but for anomoly reason you couldn't view it). Haha. You have ADD? We just had 2 pages of nothing but discussion about racing at a 1/4 mile track and you go off on a tangent about roll racing on the street. I give up.

No I don't have ADD...lol...dick

I'm not trying to run a super stock set-up on my street car. It would make for a shitty street car. Sometimes when your out cruising roll racing happens. I never try to set up a roll race. With that said dig races on the street with to low of gear can be a real challenge to get moving. If you have to pedal your low geared car to hook on the street then you have just lost the advantage of your gear.

Redfire 03
07-26-2012, 11:54 AM
You guys are trying to raise your limiter and accelerate outside your rev/power limit. I don't see how that could ever be good for a street car.

An LS6 will make power past the 6200-rpm cutoff. There are plenty who raised the limiter with the stock cam. Why don't you know these things about your own engine?

Redfire 03
07-26-2012, 11:58 AM
No I don't have ADD...lol...dick

I'm not trying to run a super stock set-up on my street car. It would make for a shitty street car. Sometimes when your out cruising roll racing happens. I never try to set up a roll race. With that said dig races on the street with to low of gear can be a real challenge to get moving. If you have to pedal your low geared car to hook on the street then you have just lost the advantage of your gear.

Like I asked you, post some hard facts to back up your claims. To many examples for you not to. I hope you don't avoid me.

marc97taws6
07-26-2012, 12:22 PM
I hope you don't avoid me.

He tends to avoid direct answers so he can extend the argument as long as possible it seems

HioSSilver
07-26-2012, 12:28 PM
Post proof to back your claim. I absolutely HATE when people make generalized statements and don't provide shot to back it up. Post real world results please.

I have posted my results. You don't want to believe them. Each build is different and will like different things. I'm already spinning a stock longblock ls6 to 7000.

BBAP2
07-26-2012, 12:42 PM
I have posted my results. You don't want to believe them. Each build is different and will like different things. I'm already spinning a stock longblock ls6 to 7000.

Dairy farm!

See how much fail you are? Take a survey pee wee.

HioSSilver
07-26-2012, 12:47 PM
Dairy farm!

See how much fail you are? Take a survey pee wee.

Dumbass!! Your back!

I do things a little different than most. But it is hard to argue with my results. But you can ride his :sack: if you like.

evangto87
07-26-2012, 01:20 PM
FYI.... little rule and statistic for you for drag racing. For quickest ET (not mph). You want to be out of gear at the 1200ft mark. The gains yielded by the first half of the track out perform anything you would pick up in the last 120 ft.

HioSSilver
07-26-2012, 02:04 PM
FYI.... little rule and statistic for you for drag racing. For quickest ET (not mph). You want to be out of gear at the 1200ft mark. The gains yielded by the first half of the track out perform anything you would pick up in the last 120 ft.

FYi.....I don't have a drag car. And I'm pretty much out of gear with the 3.90. You guys also forget the gear cannot be utilized with a 7.5 rear as it seems to not like 6000rpm clutch dumps.

Redfire 03
07-26-2012, 03:41 PM
FYi.....I don't have a drag car. And I'm pretty much out of gear with the 3.90. You guys also forget the gear cannot be utilized with a 7.5 rear as it seems to not like 6000rpm clutch dumps.

You don't need 6k clutch dumps to utilize numerically higher gears. :lol: The LS6 (compared to LS1) likes to rev. Those 4.10s will get it in the sweet spot of its power band rather quickly. It's as simple as that. I find it very ironic with all the LS1/LS6 6spd guys out there running 4.10s on let's say, a 26" tire with great success you can't find any example of someone actually seeing gains going from 4.10---> 3.90.

HioSSilver
07-26-2012, 03:53 PM
You don't need 6k clutch dumps to utilize numerically higher gears. :lol: The LS6 (compared to LS1) likes to rev. Those 4.10s will get it in the sweet spot of its power band rather quickly. It's as simple as that. I find it very ironic with all the LS1/LS6 6spd guys out there running 4.10s on let's say, a 26" tire with great success you can't find any example of someone actually seeing gains going from 4.10---> 3.90.

I didn't look. I told you my experiance. I can tell you I would not have been able to trapp 130 with the 4.10........but you don't want to hear that. Who knows maybe their great success would've been greater with 3.90. Not many have had both gears to give you an opinion. You should maybe listen to someone that has had them both.

Instead of just saying I'm wrong.

Redfire 03
07-26-2012, 04:09 PM
I didn't look. I told you my experiance. I can tell you I would not have been able to trapp 130 with the 4.10........but you don't want to hear that. Who knows maybe their great success would've been greater with 3.90. Not many have had both gears to give you an opinion. You should maybe listen to someone that has had them both.

Instead of just saying I'm wrong.

OK. Whatever worked for you. All that matters really. :)

What was your racrweight when you trapped 130?

Heater
07-26-2012, 04:11 PM
Keep up the good work guys :cheers:

Redfire 03
07-26-2012, 04:13 PM
Keep up the good work guys :cheers:

Some of you Ford guys amaze me. :eyes:

HioSSilver
07-26-2012, 04:16 PM
OK. Whatever worked for you. All that matters really. :)

What was your racrweight when you trapped 130?

Somewhere near 3230+/- with me.

Redfire 03
07-26-2012, 04:20 PM
Somewhere near 3230+/- with me.

That sure is fast for that race weight. Cool

Heater
07-26-2012, 04:40 PM
Some of you Ford guys amaze me. :eyes:




You're welcome :drive:

BottleMach
07-26-2012, 07:28 PM
I'm fairly certain diablo formula racing broke the 130 barrier with an ls1 6spd and 4.10 gears. I didn't realize there was that big of a difference between 4.10s and 3.90s

Redfire 03
07-26-2012, 10:27 PM
I'm fairly certain diablo formula racing broke the 130 barrier with an ls1 6spd and 4.10 gears. I didn't realize there was that big of a difference between 4.10s and 3.90s

There isn't. Well, only in Hio's world there is.

HioSSilver
07-27-2012, 06:24 AM
I'm fairly certain diablo formula racing broke the 130 barrier with an ls1 6spd and 4.10 gears. I didn't realize there was that big of a difference between 4.10s and 3.90s

Sure you can. But you have to be running a taller tire or turning more rpm then me. What's so hard to figure out about that?

Mike Morris
07-27-2012, 09:28 AM
I'm fairly certain diablo formula racing broke the 130 barrier with an ls1 6spd and 4.10 gears. I didn't realize there was that big of a difference between 4.10s and 3.90s


Andy was spraying and running a 28" inch tire on that run. Incredible he ran that at 3800 pounds and stock 98 heads!!!

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-29-2012, 03:58 PM
So im talking to my bitch buddy to run me right now... AGAIN!!! Lets see if the fag agrees for a quick day run. Hope he doesnt dissapoint and gives me the opportunity for some footage.

BottleMach
07-29-2012, 04:15 PM
Andy was spraying and running a 28" inch tire on that run. Incredible he ran that at 3800 pounds and stock 98 heads!!!

I can't believe that motor is still together after all these years lol

Demon 383
07-29-2012, 04:32 PM
Andy was spraying and running a 28" inch tire on that run. Incredible he ran that at 3800 pounds and stock 98 heads!!!

With a 28" tire I'd run a 4.30 or even 4.56's.

4.10's are perfect for an M6 on a 26" tire. 3.90's are a good "all around" gear but I gained a tenth and a half going from Motive 3.90's to a 4.10 in my old H/C car, same track/similar conditions albeit different day.

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-29-2012, 04:41 PM
Alright ladies and gentlemen!... My buddy and his almighty 04 100shot pullied cobra are heading down my neck of the woods for some roll runs. 30/40/50...

Its safe to start guessing the results this time! Stay tuned for some Day run VIDS!!!

Packy
07-29-2012, 04:48 PM
Alright ladies and gentlemen!... My buddy and his almighty 04 100shot pullied cobra are heading down my neck of the woods for some roll runs. 30/40/50...

Its safe to start guessing the results this time! Stay tuned for some Day run VIDS!!!

Standing by. :corn::cheers:

NastyTBSS
07-29-2012, 05:47 PM
Bout time!!!:corn:

jarheadtex
07-29-2012, 06:30 PM
:corn::drive:

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-29-2012, 06:34 PM
he will destory you wont even be a race on the juice hes pushing 550-570 on a good day if your lucky maybe just breaking 400 unless u also got some spray up ur alley

yup you are smoked, my buddy has the same 04 cobra but with just a little bit smaller pully but not by much and dont even a few other small bolt ons and he put down 430 on a mustang dyno and does ok keeping up with my built ls3 until 4th gear when I leave him in the dust.

Race him from a dig. You might win. I killed many like that without spray from a dig when I was cam only. Any kind of roll and you are dead

best of luck..I see u giving him a good run from the 30 roll gl on the 60 roll

Where's the vid/results? Why would you want a 30 biscuit and not a dig?:)





MURDER, DEATH, KILL... IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY!!!

30, 40, 50, 45, 60 Rolls, all with same exact results... Uploading now, so give me a minute.

adamantium
07-29-2012, 06:35 PM
Nice kill man how big of a shot is on there?

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-29-2012, 06:43 PM
Nice kill man how big of a shot is on there?

100 shot, but claims it was acting up and used it off and on... So whatever.

Heater
07-29-2012, 07:14 PM
He must of got drug then. Can't wait to see the video.

adamantium
07-29-2012, 07:16 PM
In for vids!

evangto87
07-29-2012, 07:29 PM
IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!! Jk... you had my vote. Glad you pulled through.

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-29-2012, 07:50 PM
LOL... the suspense is so great!. Lets see whos the first one to hate. I never said i won tho. Just said murder death kill.

Vids are just getting done!!!

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-29-2012, 07:58 PM
20 ROLL...
http://youtu.be/wsmKjaDlckw


50 ROLL...
http://youtu.be/W30asIdVUgk

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-29-2012, 08:00 PM
40 ROLL...
http://youtu.be/jmwcHUIWBgA


40 ROLL PT 2... My worst speed at rolls
http://youtu.be/OhJoqlQzkJA

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-29-2012, 08:06 PM
60 ROLL...
http://youtu.be/QeV0nasvct8

MACH32V
07-29-2012, 08:14 PM
Damn!!! I hope you eased his pain with a little vaseline and a chill pad...
Beatdown..for sure! He did not stand a chance..

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-29-2012, 08:15 PM
30 roll... best speed for rolls, that and 20.


http://youtu.be/iM-oV1iTjyM

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-29-2012, 08:17 PM
ANY FUCKING QUESTIONS... lol

djfury05
07-29-2012, 08:26 PM
Damn I don't think the camera man in the 20 roll was expecting that lmao.. nice runs car runs hard!!

evangto87
07-29-2012, 08:37 PM
damn.... mayhem. Awesome kills

Heater
07-29-2012, 08:41 PM
Good kill :cheers:

Packy
07-29-2012, 08:55 PM
Nice races with video! Good kills!

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-29-2012, 08:56 PM
Damn!!! I hope you eased his pain with a little vaseline and a chill pad...
Beatdown..for sure! He did not stand a chance..


OH MAN, you dont know the satisfaction i have, knowing that once and for all i shut him down and have the proof on tape.
When i first started in LS1 tech i was all stock... and made the thread, what does it take to beat a 04 svt cobra. This is how!!!!

Even tho he's my best friend, he's my enemy when it comes to this.

NO MORE MISTER NICE GUY!!!.... :thefinger

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-29-2012, 09:18 PM
Damn I don't think the camera man in the 20 roll was expecting that lmao.. nice runs car runs hard!!

Yeah, he sure wasnt! Lmao

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-29-2012, 09:29 PM
damn.... mayhem. Awesome kills

Good kill :cheers:

Nice races with video! Good kills!



:usa::usa::usa:...........


Thanks guys!...

MACH32V
07-29-2012, 09:30 PM
OH MAN, you dont know the satisfaction i have, knowing that once and for all i shut him down and have the proof on tape.
When i first started in LS1 tech i was all stock... and made the thread, what does it take to beat a 04 svt cobra. This is how!!!!

Even tho he's my best friend, he's my enemy when it comes to this.

NO MORE MISTER NICE GUY!!!.... :thefinger

I would be careful though..I have a feeling after that beatdown, I think your buddy is not going to let this slide easily..LOL
I have a feeling in is on-line right now looking at a KB..
Regardless, good races and your car runs really strong. Make sure you keep letting him know how bad you beat him...LOL..:cheers:

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-29-2012, 09:37 PM
He's goin 150 shot... Confirmed it and will be back. But im not scared... Im also going 150 wet shot soon. Even with a KB, he's still goin to sweat bullets.

His face was priceless, wish i could of got that on film... :drive: Not bad for manual shifting an A4!!!

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-29-2012, 09:48 PM
If you want to see my buddies cobra fast foward to 6:30mins on the VID...

http://youtu.be/DVwcpGRqPN4

MACH32V
07-29-2012, 09:53 PM
He's goin 150 shot... Confirmed it and will be back. But im not scared... Im also going 150 wet shot soon. Even with a KB, he's still goin to sweat bullets.

His face was priceless, wish i could of got that on film... :drive: Not bad for manual shifting an A4!!!

That is really strange to see a Cobra guy go with big shots of NOS like that. Most just mod up to a more efficient supercharger such as a KB. I know some guys do spray a small 75 shot though just for a cooling effect but not to rely on the nitrous shot to make their power. It could be a cost thing though..those KBs are expensive for sure..

1_MEANZ28
07-30-2012, 04:04 AM
Beat down for sure.you have a very strong cam only ls1..great daytime vids!..

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-30-2012, 06:26 AM
That is really strange to see a Cobra guy go with big shots of NOS like that. Most just mod up to a more efficient supercharger such as a KB. I know some guys do spray a small 75 shot though just for a cooling effect but not to rely on the nitrous shot to make their power. It could be a cost thing though..those KBs are expensive for sure..

Yeah im not sure why hes going big shot, but i think its pretty pathetic that he has to rely on double power adders. Theres no way to tell him no at this point. But i think he's going to end up messing something up soon.

ScreaminRedZ
07-30-2012, 06:59 AM
Good kill, that thing was a turd.

jarheadtex
07-30-2012, 07:14 AM
damn....good kills!! not even close

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-30-2012, 08:15 AM
Ill post some older vids soon of where he use to slap me around, slow shifting.

Thanks u guys for not bashing n giving good reply.

Heater
07-30-2012, 08:18 AM
Yeah im not sure why hes going big shot, but i think its pretty pathetic that he has to rely on double power adders. Theres no way to tell him no at this point. But i think he's going to end up messing something up soon.

Little strong saying it is "pathetic" don't you think?

Lot cheaper to pill up than swap blowers.

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-30-2012, 08:38 AM
True... But he claims he can get one cheap. Idk, for now im just going to savor this win

rail2k
07-30-2012, 09:41 AM
i was wandering y he doesnt just upgrade the charger instead of bottle the charger makes a ton of difference for him. and do you have a dyno video of your car? I think you have one of those freak ls motors like zones 6litre

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-30-2012, 10:24 AM
No freak here... I do have a dyno vid. 355rwhp 330ish TQ unlocked converter. But lots of things have been adjusted since then.

Imstock2
07-30-2012, 10:28 AM
You should race zyborg....I have to admit you impressed me with those runs.. looked like your car trapped a good 3-5 on him.... which doesn't seem to add up.. nonetheless sick kill

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-30-2012, 10:32 AM
Me n Zyborg already talk via txt msg. We will soon get down.
I know I can put up a fight vs him.

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-30-2012, 10:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8R17Y0wjyg&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Here is the only dyno vid I could find. Got some others I think. Anyway, this was cam only, stock exhst Transmission etc.

Imstock2
07-30-2012, 10:36 AM
A bolt own c5z edge's out a bolt on ls2 c6... lilmiller in his c6 when it was bolt on's walked quite a bit of h/c f body's...zyborg walks vipers n shit... You walk 550hp cobras so should be interesting..

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-30-2012, 11:41 AM
I think so too man... Someone get Zyborg in here. lol

I had a check engine light on when I ran this guy. The day before the race, my shift solenoid was stuck open. It looks like I had no issues here. But want to be 100% vs Zyborg, that way I know theres no excuses, win or loose.

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-30-2012, 01:11 PM
Here is a vid from 2 months ago. He would granny shift n wait for me to catch up. I was on stock exhst tho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xPsmqGejuQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I got my payback!

Coupe Dave
07-30-2012, 01:41 PM
Little strong saying it is "pathetic" don't you think?

Lot cheaper to pill up than swap blowers.

Yes I would consider it rather PATHETIC to feel the need to double up on power adders just to have an edge on a cam-only LSWon. :gay: I mean, if it were me I'd even be willing to admit that.

Whatever works I guess.

oddwraith
07-30-2012, 02:05 PM
Against Zyborg would be something I think we'd all love to see! His car has earned a good level of respect on here, and yours might make for a good race. I'll be checking back just in case :)

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-30-2012, 02:13 PM
I agree... thats one fast bolt on intake vette. Almost runs as if it had pnp heads.

Mine are stock 241s

oddwraith
07-30-2012, 02:32 PM
Surpising what the stock 241s can do imo. Ever think about some ported 243s?

edit: oops I meant ported 241s, but yea 243s are nice.

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-30-2012, 02:42 PM
Yessir... Waiting for a good deal on some 243s, Want the sodium valve ones off a z06. Was even thinking of porting my 241 myself just to see if it made a difference. And not spend monies.

ScreaminRedZ
07-30-2012, 02:46 PM
Against Zyborg would be something I think we'd all love to see! His car has earned a good level of respect on here, and yours might make for a good race. I'll be checking back just in case :)

That's a race I'd love to see as well.

ZYBORG
07-30-2012, 02:50 PM
Hello all,

Unfortunately LASTOFTHEBREED, i will not be able to run you now as my car is having issues, electrical in nature. Wish you would have ran me back when i first answered to your call out. I take it you got busy.

Once i sort my car out i will let you know. I will definitelly be down to run. Based on the race with the cobra on the juice you should DESTROY me but i will still give it a go with my CAI and full exhaust car. I have also been able to pull some magical shit when odds were stacked against me.

PS: nice videos and kill on the cobra, car runs incredibly strong. If it wasnt on video I would have never believed it. Pulley/bolt on cobras with a 100 shot are bottom 11-high 10 sec @ 128-130mph cars on the 1/4 all day long with the right tire.

oddwraith
07-30-2012, 02:51 PM
Wtf! No multi-quote available, sorry guys but it won't work for me. Oh well. I'd port the 241s first, seriously. You may be surprised!


Screamin'-Hey how's that G8 running? I watched some of your last vids and have to say I'm jealous :(. All that with four doors, comfort, and ls for power :bang:. I hate that I only have so many parking spots, because that would be next on my list. We got rid of the GP and really need something to fill it's shoes.

Hey there he is-the man with the plan Zyborgmeister, and my favorite C5z on here. But I'm biased after watching all his vids lol. :cheers:

ScreaminRedZ
07-30-2012, 03:06 PM
Screamin'-Hey how's that G8 running? I watched some of your last vids and have to say I'm jealous :(. All that with four doors, comfort, and ls for power :bang:. I hate that I only have so many parking spots, because that would be next on my list. We got rid of the GP and really need something to fill it's shoes.

So far so good. I did have some issues with the Nano and have taken it off the car for now. Hoping it stays together while I start working on the Z28 :lol:

oddwraith
07-30-2012, 03:09 PM
Shit you have a z28? :gtfo:. What problems with the nano? Just simple or major?

ScreaminRedZ
07-30-2012, 03:22 PM
Shit you have a z28? :gtfo:. What problems with the nano? Just simple or major?

Lol, since 2004.

The Nano was giving me issues with the pressure going too high, even with the bottle cold. As soon as the temp came up at all the pressure would shoot into the red. Also, even with it cold I tried it at the track and it slowed down when the car should have been making more power. I might give it another try in the winter.

oddwraith
07-30-2012, 03:27 PM
Something more than the season is wrong I suspect. That sucks man, I hope you figure it all out. Either way, love your ride.

ScreaminRedZ
07-30-2012, 03:57 PM
I've talked to some other people and it seems to be a common problem. With the way the Nano works there's not really a way to keep the pressure where it should be unless the bottle is kept at a constant, cool temp. That's why I'm thinking I will work in the winter. I'll let you know how it goes.

The numbers in my sig are without the Nano.

oddwraith
07-30-2012, 04:19 PM
Yeah I know about the sig numbers :). No way to insulate the bottle? I mean it can't be that bad with no recourse. Sure let me know, interested to see more of your car on the juice.

ScreaminRedZ
07-30-2012, 05:03 PM
The trick would be to keep the temp constant, but under 80 degrees. If you open the nitrous and Nano bottles when the bottle is 60 degree and it goes up to 70 the pressure will be too high.

oddwraith
07-30-2012, 05:07 PM
Yes I realize that much. But stable temps is what it's all about and sometimes you can remedy with simple bottle mechanics ie: blankets. I'm not sure about down there though, I live in Canada eh? lol. I'm no expert, just trying to help...but mostly just want to see some sprayed vids from ya. I'll take what I can get though dude and only wish I had some to offer up as well. I don't really do planned-street-races anymore. I live vicariously through you guys :(.

ScreaminRedZ
07-30-2012, 05:43 PM
Lol, I'll see what I can come up with. I'm supposed to run an all motor Sentra one of these days, once we can get our schedules lined up. He's a real nice guy so it should be fun, win or lose.

exodus_gs1
07-30-2012, 06:26 PM
DAMN!!! :LOTB: You are killing people... Idk if I should find away to come down there I'll just waste your gas haha.

But hell if I get tires before labor day weekend I'll come down and maybe just have a beer lol.

But good kill I just killed a mustang the other day but it was only a mild 2010 gt

oddwraith
07-30-2012, 07:52 PM
Always nice to get a kill though against a Mustang. They are after all, our main rivals. :D

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-30-2012, 08:45 PM
DAMN!!! :LOTB: You are killing people... Idk if I should find away to come down there I'll just waste your gas haha.

But hell if I get tires before labor day weekend I'll come down and maybe just have a beer lol.

But good kill I just killed a mustang the other day but it was only a mild 2010 gt



Oh please man, its not all that fast... Just ok from a lil roll. Deff come down, and its cool if its just for a beer.

LASTOFTHEBREED02T/A
07-30-2012, 08:48 PM
Always nice to get a kill though against a Mustang. They are after all, our main rivals. :D

:secret:... Just dont tell Nobody.







Thanks!