Street Racing & Kill Stories - Charger SRT8 6.1 vs 2011 5.0

Had a good run with a sky blue (I dont know if thats what its called so correct me) 5.0 out in the desert. Its crazy because I have never seen this much competition on the road at the same time. There was a Boss 302 about 4 cars ahead an LS2 C6 next to me and the 5.0 about 2 cars back. I had my fingers crossed we would all go the same way but we didnt the C6 and the Boss took the exit and me and the 5.0 paced each other for about a good 10 miles waiting to hit the open highway. The 5.0 was lowered, dark windows and from what I could hear when we exchanged ricer flybys he definitely had some kind of cat back.

The Race: We finally got nothing but open desert highway and he lowers his window and points forward lets go, I agree and say you honk it off. He downshifts and I can see his arm gesture letting me know its a 6-Speed. I dont know what gear he was in but I was in 2nd right in my powerband. He did the 3 and we were off. Right off the bat I had a slow pull on him tho he did hang in there pretty good up to 120 we finished with me a car ahead about how most of my races with stock or lightly modded 5.0's go. He was a younger guy around my age so Im hoping hes on the forums he was cool gave me a thumbs up and cruised the rest of the way. I would like to find out his mods I know it was a 6-Speed and exhaust

My mods are Intake, Catback, Tune

Car looked like this but lowered
http://images.automodifiedesign.com/2011/01/2011-Ford-Mustang-GT-5.0-Blue-Light-Front-View-5-1024x680.jpg

Good kill.

nice kill

Nice kill! Wish you had a vid.

The color is called "Grabber Blue"

You can't even beat a Mach and your out runnin 5.0's.....yea right




:)

You can't even beat a Mach and your out runnin 5.0's.....yea right




:)

Haha. Waiting for camp 5.0...

Nice kill...

Good Kill OP. Your car runs strong.

Nice kill! Wish you had a vid.

The color is called "Grabber Blue"

Me to I have my iPhone 4s camera mount but I can never get it up in time because my last few races have happened randomly.

You can't even beat a Mach and your out runnin 5.0's.....yea right




:)

The Mach will edge the 5.0 stock for stock. From a dig....forgettaboutit even a C6Z would have problems against a mach

Good Kill OP. Your car runs strong.

Thanks man I have a run coming up with a Tuned, E90 M3 the 4 door out in burbank you should come get in on the action.

Either the mach 1 joke is still going around or what?. I never had a problem with mach 1's when i was bolt ons..

No way bruh, Mach 1`s arent a joke!

Nice run with the 5.0. No offense though, the SRT8 is no match for the C6. Ran my buddies 6.1 SRT8 Challenger 6-speed and it wasnt even close (i was a bit surprised at how bad i beat him). I miss shifts in the 1st and 3rd runs (with my top down) and I still put bus lengths on him. Mine is an 07 LS2 Z51 6-speed Convertible (intake and catback only in the vid). Too much weight for the SRT8 to lug round to beat a C6.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqS0luw-iPU&context=C3b152b6ADOEgsToPDskJJe8R92TmheSYQJr4r1kDu

Nice run with the 5.0. No offense though, the SRT8 is no match for the C6. Ran my buddies 6.1 SRT8 Challenger 6-speed and it wasnt even close (i was a bit surprised at how bad i beat him). I miss shifts in the 1st and 3rd runs (with my top down) and I still put bus lengths on him. Mine is an 07 LS2 Z51 6-speed Convertible (intake and catback only in the vid). Too much weight for the SRT8 to lug round to beat a C6.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqS0luw-iPU&context=C3b152b6ADOEgsToPDskJJe8R92TmheSYQJr4r1kDu

You sure about that??

Here i am racing a C6 LS2 with MORE mods than me and he only beat me by a tenth. The video will make u think it was more than it was cause he red lighted and i cut a bad light...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfS5827aACc

Watching your video reminds me of how a LS3 would pull a stock 6.1. Idk what the issues were but that is def not the normal outcome with a LS2 vs 6.1 Im by no means saying the 6.1 is faster, its not. I just know for a fact that its a closer race than that.

Good kill.

In before full retard.

You sure about that??

Here i am racing a C6 LS2 with MORE mods than me and he only beat me by a tenth. The video will make u think it was more than it was cause he red lighted and i cut a bad light...

Watching your video reminds me of how a LS3 would pull a stock 6.1. Idk what the issues were but that is def not the normal outcome with a LS2 vs 6.1 Im by no means saying the 6.1 is faster, its not. I just know for a fact that its a closer race than that.

I think a lot of people underestimate the LS2 in the C6. Although the LS3 certainly dyno's better, the real world 1/4 mile difference is not that much. Put a Non-Z51 LS3 vs. a Z51 LS2 and the race is fairly close. The 6-speed gearing as part of the Z51 package is perfect for the LS2, particularly the 1st 3 gears. It is a KEY option to have on the LS2 6-speed C6's (only 30% of LS2 6-speeds out there have the Z51 package).

There are 4 runs on that vid I posted, all the same outcome dig or roll. I'm even MISSING GEARS and still pulling lengths like that. I dont know what else to tell you. My friend is a really good driver (you can hear him rowing through the gears well). His SRT-8 runs well and he hasnt lost any races to other cars id expect him to beat. As far as I know, I dont have a factory freak (although that would be nice :drive:).

Nice run with the 5.0. No offense though, the SRT8 is no match for the C6. Ran my buddies 6.1 SRT8 Challenger 6-speed and it wasnt even close (i was a bit surprised at how bad i beat him). I miss shifts in the 1st and 3rd runs (with my top down) and I still put bus lengths on him. Mine is an 07 LS2 Z51 6-speed Convertible (intake and catback only in the vid). Too much weight for the SRT8 to lug round to beat a C6.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqS0luw-iPU&context=C3b152b6ADOEgsToPDskJJe8R92TmheSYQJr4r1kDu

well my race with LS2 C6's have looked much different then that. The guy you raced obviously cant drive to well but it will definitely take some bolt ons for a 6.1 to run with a LS2 C6. Saying its no match is non sense.

6.1 - Headers, Catback, CAI, Tune
C6 LS2 - Headers, Catback, CAI, Tune
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrKau5PzfO4

Good kill.

In before full retard.

lol, seems every 5.0 thread goes that way eventually.

I think a lot of people underestimate the LS2 in the C6. Although the LS3 certainly dyno's better, the real world 1/4 mile difference is not that much. Put a Non-Z51 LS3 vs. a Z51 LS2 and the race is fairly close. The 6-speed gearing as part of the Z51 package is perfect for the LS2, particularly the 1st 3 gears. It is a KEY option to have on the LS2 6-speed C6's (only 30% of LS2 6-speeds out there have the Z51 package).

There are 4 runs on that vid I posted, all the same outcome dig or roll. I'm even MISSING GEARS and still pulling lengths like that. I dont know what else to tell you. My friend is a really good driver (you can hear him rowing through the gears well). His SRT-8 runs well and he hasnt lost any races to other cars id expect him to beat. As far as I know, I dont have a factory freak (although that would be nice :drive:).

Didnt know that about the Z51 package. That probably is why. Most ls2's ive ran were autos and i can tell ya its a night and day difference between those and the ls3's. I takes just a couple bolt ons on a 6.1 to run with a stock auto ls2 C6.

There is a big difference between the Auto 4-speed C6 (2005 only--the one posted in NiteRideWS6 vid) and a 6-speed Z51 LS2, especially from a roll. The 4 speeds are notorious for their lazy downshifts and long gearing to reach the top speed on 185 or so. Based on my runs, a 6.1 SRT8 with bolt-ons and a tune wont have enough to run even/beat a well driven 6-speed Z51 LS2. I would think internal mods or FI would be necessary. Safe motoring guys. :drive:

^^^^^ for sure. The record for a bolt-on ls2 vette is like 10.7. It's pretty easy for one to run in the 11's. They should kill srt8's.

But you never know, some people gets their shit running better than others.

There is a big difference between the Auto 4-speed C6 (2005 only--the one posted in NiteRideWS6 vid) and a 6-speed Z51 LS2, especially from a roll. The 4 speeds are notorious for their lazy downshifts and long gearing to reach the top speed on 185 or so. Based on my runs, a 6.1 SRT8 with bolt-ons and a tune wont have enough to run even/beat a well driven 6-speed Z51 LS2. I would think internal mods or FI would be necessary. Safe motoring guys. :drive:

I can def agree with this...

The 6.1s aren't too far off.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-tech-performance/1893326-c6-1-4-mile-performance-challenge.html

I agree with the above comments, the 4 speed is not at all as good as the 6speed auto's in the LS2's. Although even those would still need a tune in my opinion as well. I see some vids here and there of some bolt on camaro's pulling on A4 C6 vettes and my old camaro did the same. What my camaro couldnt do is pull on a Bone Stock C6 A6 and that race i had to power shift and do all that i can just to keep up, in the end i burned up the clutch. I know my camaro with the bolt ons that i had is without a doubt faster then my SRT300 with the bolt ons it has now and me in the SRT against a C6 A6 vette would be ugly for me.

The 6.1s aren't too far off.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-tech-performance/1893326-c6-1-4-mile-performance-challenge.html

I think you missed my runs...:razz:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqS0luw-iPU&context=C3b152b6ADOEgsToPDskJJe8R92TmheSYQJr4r1kDu

I think you missed my runs...:razz:

Nope...

So you're trying to convince people that it will require internal mods for a 6.1l car that is capable of running high 12s to keep up with a LS2 Vette that runs mid 12s? You shouldn't drink the bong water.

I will admit that I am not using myself as a basis in the above statement as mine has had an engine swap. However, prior to that it was always close to the LS2s. You may have found somebody who can't drive and crushed him like the thread of the G8 GT destroying the 392 Challenger. Now you obviously beat the guy and I'm certainly not saying the 6.1l SRT8s are quicker/faster, but with a competent driver they are definitely capable of holding their own against a LS2 Vette in the hands of the average driver.


karpetcm, I hope you are not using your butt dyno when comparing your 300 to your F-bod. The butt dyno will lie. go get numbers for the truth.

Honestly every SRT8 I've driven and been in (392 Challenger and 6.1L Charger SRT8) felt like complete beast compared to my sissy ls1. We were all within a tenth of one another and a 2mph spread between the three of us at the track (same night, same track).

Honestly every SRT8 I've driven and been in (392 Challenger and 6.1L Charger SRT8) felt like complete beast compared to my sissy ls1. We were all within a tenth of one another and a 2mph spread between the three of us at the track (same night, same track).

I know I loved the 2011 Challenger SRT-8 I drove. Thing flew

Honestly every SRT8 I've driven and been in (392 Challenger and 6.1L Charger SRT8) felt like complete beast compared to my sissy ls1. We were all within a tenth of one another and a 2mph spread between the three of us at the track (same night, same track).

I believe they're comparing the LS2 not LS1.

Still trying to get my dad to trade in his 5.7 300 and get a 392 300. Wonder if he will do it if I tell him he can beat a c6? lol

Honestly every SRT8 I've driven and been in (392 Challenger and 6.1L Charger SRT8) felt like complete beast compared to my sissy ls1. We were all within a tenth of one another and a 2mph spread between the three of us at the track (same night, same track).

I have the opposite experience. I agree the times are similar however, when In the SRT8 (prior to now) it felt sluggish. It seems that the ride was more plush and forgiving and therefore did not allow the driver to experience the actual forces of the car. It just soaked them up. Now the numbers on the other hand said another thing. Though it felt as if I were on a leisurely stroll, it was still doing 12s. My F-bod and my Stangs on the other hand, especially the Stang (modded new edge), were ferociously violent and unforgiving hence me not having it anymore. I was going to give it to my 16yo daughter then decided I did not want her to die.

I'm not dogging on Vettes and they are typically quicker/faster. Just sayin', a bolt on I/E/T(CMR) SRT8, when in competent hands, is plenty competition for a stock LS2 Vette.

willys srt8,

Id love to go to a 1/4 track but the closest is fontana and it sucks. I will put it on the dyno soon and see what it can do. Ive raced a couple of SRT8's with my old camaro. One was stock and the other was intake, exhaust and tune with 22's, both i pulled on. Can blame it on driver or whatever it maybe, i knew how to drive my camaro ive had 5 of them. I love my 300SRT and once it gets up in the rpms and speed this thing pulls hard. Suprises alot of people to say the least.

I believe they're comparing the LS2 not LS1.

More than aware... was just making a reference to the butt dyno thing (where an LS1 was compared to the SRT8).

The srt8 challenger was never impressive to me. Yes of the new cars they have the most power but they are also the god dam heaviest. I raced one a few weeks ago in my 5.0 and I beat him by about two lengths. This was from a dig. If they put that car on a diet then yes it would be nice. At least they got the appearance right ill give them that the cars are sexy. A little too wide for my liking but overall they look good.

Nope...

So you're trying to convince people that it will require internal mods for a 6.1l car that is capable of running high 12s to keep up with a LS2 Vette that runs mid 12s? You shouldn't drink the bong water.

I will admit that I am not using myself as a basis in the above statement as mine has had an engine swap. However, prior to that it was always close to the LS2s. You may have found somebody who can't drive and crushed him like the thread of the G8 GT destroying the 392 Challenger. Now you obviously beat the guy and I'm certainly not saying the 6.1l SRT8s are quicker/faster, but with a competent driver they are definitely capable of holding their own against a LS2 Vette in the hands of the average driver.


karpetcm, I hope you are not using your butt dyno when comparing your 300 to your F-bod. The butt dyno will lie. go get numbers for the truth.

You must of taken a hit of the bong with me because the only bad driver in that video is ME. Do you know how hard it is to miss shifts and still put 8+ cars on someone from a roll??? I must be crazy with my assumptions....:)r Stock SRT8's are low-mid 13 sec cars on the norm with outliers here and there. You're talking a full second 1/4 mile difference between a stock LS2 Z51 car. That is not "close" in a real world race. Sorry my friend. I have the video evidence; this is not talk or speculation.

I have the opposite experience. I agree the times are similar however, when In the SRT8 (prior to now) it felt sluggish. It seems that the ride was more plush and forgiving and therefore did not allow the driver to experience the actual forces of the car. It just soaked them up. Now the numbers on the other hand said another thing. Though it felt as if I were on a leisurely stroll, it was still doing 12s. My F-bod and my Stangs on the other hand, especially the Stang (modded new edge), were ferociously violent and unforgiving hence me not having it anymore. I was going to give it to my 16yo daughter then decided I did not want her to die.

I'm not dogging on Vettes and they are typically quicker/faster. Just sayin', a bolt on I/E/T(CMR) SRT8, when in competent hands, is plenty competition for a stock LS2 Vette.

lol. But I agree with this. I've been in a few cars that are quicker/faster than my T/A, but don't feel quite as brutal. A lot of it is due to some being autos, but even some manuals didn't feel quite as raw.

Good kill. :cheers:

Stock SRT8's are low-mid 13 sec cars on the norm with outliers here and there.

Don't get confused between the R/T and the SRT8. Every car on the road will run slower than the tested times with an average driver. Mine with the original engine with no mods was 12.85@108.35 with a1.99 60" and a DA of +1872 and I had never been to a track before.