General LSX Automobile Discussion - My Mod List 2002 WS6 Black on Black

Ok so i am buying a trans am what mods should i do to it? im planning on the following
1. CCW 505a Rims
2. Cold Air Intake From SLP
3. A Loud Off Road Exhaust That Will Make Alarms Go Off
4. A Stereo System. (like 5k into it) That Is Loud As Hell
5. Lower The Car A Few Inches Or So
6. 5% Window Tint All Round

What Else Should I Add? Thats Not Too Expensive?

you should buy a new keyboard first, your shift key appears to be sticking Every First Letter Of Every Word. i wouldnt waste 5k on a sound system. all it would be is a waste. and you might want to know a little bit more about 3,4, and 5. it sounds like if you dont do some research you could waste a lot of money and be unhappy with the result.

Sounds like you need to buy the TA first before any decisions are made. Once you actually buy it you will know where you want to go with it.

well i want a loud exhaust since well idk stereo will be sick and the lowering might look better with the rims also what do you guys think of viper alarm systems?

yeah but im trying to map out how much $ i need to do this stuff ifrst

buy a car, base the rest on left over money. but keep in mind if your gonna mod it you dont want an insanely low mile car, ive seen your other thread! buy a 80k car and use left over money to do whatever you want to it.

yeah maybe. lol im not much of a car mechanic so i was going for a low mileage since it should have less problems at least until i learn more. i want to do alot of car stuff but dont know much so yeah... lol

The ls platform is extremely reliable. simple stuff like exhaust, cai, and a tune wont hurt that. good luck with whatever you end up doing. i would also wait until fall and winter if you could, cars like ours tend to go down in price when people put them up for the winter!

hmm maybe i will. it depends on what my bro does since he is the one who is controlling what i buy since my parent know very little about cars.

I want to know what to do to my car thats not too expensive, but want 5k in a stereo system and 400lbs of weight to my rearend haha. Get a tahoe

I would get the slp cold air kit for a trans am just a lid would work since it looks like you will be more into style which is cool ws6 look great!!

im going to make this thing fast not just style. i just think for now im going to leave performance alone for the most part since its my first car and i dont really want to wreck it but im going to add a few things and try to get about 400 hp in it before i start driving it

I want to know what to do to my car thats not too expensive, but want 5k in a stereo system and 400lbs of weight to my rearend haha. Get a tahoe

lol yeah i know....

im going to make this thing fast not just style. i just think for now im going to leave performance alone for the most part since its my first car and i dont really want to wreck it but im going to add a few things and try to get about 400 hp in it before i start driving it

400hp, do you even know what 400hp feels like? What are you gonna do to make fast, and what are you gonna do for "style"?

well for performance im not sure what i will add. but it will not be superchargers or turbos.
for "style" im adding black with polished lip CCW 505a's tint 5% and stereo and maybe a few others.

also whats with you always ridiculing me? everything i post ur here to say something

also whats with you always ridiculing me? everything i post ur here to say something

:huh: i just dont want to see a car that belongs in a showroom get axed by someone who wants to give it "style" so far it seems that you know anything about these cars or that you want to know anything about these cars. you just want one because they look cool and you want to make it fast. im not ridiculing you, im trying to help you make a better decision.

You mad bro?

no just every time i comment ur here. and also changing rims and tint are my choice it wont kill value and idc bc im buying it not u. i didnt comment when u bought those crap rims on ur ss

fyi i dont need help with my decision im buying it if it really is what the guy says it is

no just every time i comment ur here. and also changing rims and tint are my choice it wont kill value and idc bc im buying it not u. i didnt comment when u bought those crap rims on ur ss

This right here shows that you are very uneducated about my car,
Those would be the Polished 10 spokes that came with my car and happen to be somewhat desirable. You are 100 percent missing the point on what kills the value, no need to try any further because several people have told you the same thing and you still dont get it..

and are these the crap rims you are talking about??

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bask in their glory. :drive:

dont need people telling me i shouldnt get a car with low miles. idc i can afford idc its my money im buying it

dont need people telling me i shouldnt get a car with low miles. idc i can afford idc its my money im buying it

im sure its your parents money, but thats not whats important. The fact of the matter is for twenty grand you can either get something to kill yourself in or something that doesnt need to be daily driven especially somewhere with shitty winters. You cant seem to process that. :gruffy:

i can but im stubborn and im buying it and MOST of the money is mine but thats not the point. i realize that it isnt the best place for it but i might put it in the garage in the winter so it will be fine

13 year olds don't need Ls1s.

just leave the kid alone.. if his parents are buying it and buying his parts let him be lol

i can but im stubborn and im buying it and MOST of the money is mine but thats not the point. i realize that it isnt the best place for it but i might put it in the garage in the winter so it will be fine

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just leave the kid alone.. if his parents are buying it and buying his parts let him be lol

but its such a waste. :( im just ready to see his, " i wrecked my car because i hit the NAWZ button" thread..

but lets face it if u were in my spot u would do the same. look at it like this u are buying a trans am most are 30,000 miles for 20k then u find one 3k for 25,000, u talk him down a little and for 4,500 more u get a car thats nearly brand new. now tell me u wouldnt do that?

lol no i will not be adding "NAWZ"

13 year olds don't need Ls1s.

didnt know 13 yr old got licenses

yeah,,, i picked up a 23,000 mile car for a little over 12k. so hell no, i wouldnt do that. 3 months later my dad picked up a 70,000 mile ws6 that was everybit as nice for 8k. so once again, hell no i wouldnt do that. Good luck talking someone down almost 5k for a showroom car.

yeah... ss isnt worth as much as ws6 sorry :(

yeah... ss isnt worth as much as ws6 sorry :(

hahaha, you dont know very much do you? please explain to me what makes a WS6 so much more valuable than an SS even though they are essentially the same. Please, enlighten me with your expertise and well thought debate techniques.

lol, well lets look at their prices... go find one that has the same mileage as a ta going for more.

lol, well lets look at their prices... go find one that has the same mileage as a ta going for more.

ahahaha.. dude just stop

lol, well lets look at their prices... go find one that has the same mileage as a ta going for more.

i dont need to go look at the prices, i know that theyre on par with each other. (: now please, tell me why a ws6 is so much better?

http://www.kbb.com/chevrolet/camaro/2002-chevrolet-camaro/z28-coupe-2d/?vehicleid=347138&intent=buy-used&mileage=3050&options=4033347|true|4033398|true&condition=excellent&pricetype=private-party
http://www.kbb.com/pontiac/firebird/2002-pontiac-firebird/trans-am-coupe-2d/?vehicleid=348215&intent=buy-used&mileage=3050&options=4093681|true|4093735|true&condition=excellent&pricetype=private-party

wow look at that ws6 is worth 3k more haha

so smart one i thought u knew everything? they still on par?

oh em gee, lolz kbb said something is worth this so its gotta be worth it! wrong. you keep shying away from my question because you dont know jack shit about these cars!

yup says the guy that believes they are on "par"

now i realize why many on here dont like you :)

yup says the guy that believes they are on "par"

they are, when you have looked at the market for over a year searching for a good buy on either of the two, you will figure this out. Your a cocky little shit of a teenager that makes the other generation hate ours.

A quick scan thru ebay and a look at book values shows them going for roughly the same price...neither is worth more than the other.

lol get over it dude. can u answer this if im cocky then y do u keep commenting and coming back? apparently ur just a dumb hick

now i realize why many on here dont like me, bartman119 because i dont listen and am always right :)

at least you realize it.

A quick scan thru ebay and a look at book values shows them going for roughly the same price...neither is worth more than the other.

:cheers: glad im not the only one who found that.

lol get over it dude. can u answer this if im cocky then y do u keep commenting and coming back? apparently ur just a dumb hick

because you are wrong, and i dont like letting people be wrong. i prefer the term mullet wearing redneck folk.... :mullet:

haha and nice thing u did with the quote

Both book values were within sneezing distance of eachother once all the correct options were selected...I.e not comparing a hard top stripper camaro to a t top leather, monsoon etc...trans animal.

atleast u know im always right :)

Both book values were within sneezing distance of eachother once all the correct options were selected...I.e not comparing a hard top stripper camaro to a t top leather, monsoon etc...trans animal.


lol just laughed at the trans animal part. :)

I've always called them that. Don't know why.

atleast u know im always right :)

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I've always called them that. Don't know why.

haha, i think its a pretty good name for them. :cheers:

ok so why are you mad? is it bc im getting a nice car and the place i live has bad winters? i know the car will get messed up and im readdy for that i know it wont be perfect here but its a car im going to drive it not just let it sit im not going to beat on it but im not going to leave it completely stock im going to change it and ur mad at that? its my car and im going to do stuff that wil possibly lower the value but the reason im buying this is since its nearly new and i rather this than a car someone beat on for ten years. so just tell me why ur mad. this is a forum not life and theres no point for us to be fighting

im not mad, i just dont see the point in spending more money to achieve the same goal. if that makes sense, you can do everything you want to a car that has more mileage and dont have to worry about losing money when it comes time for resale. you just need to pick through tons of ads and figure out which car has been beat on and which one hasnt, if you can bring someone who knows about body work to check for accidents and stuff like that, unless you know what to look for yourself. it just doesnt seem like your taking anything youve been told into consideration, why ask if it doesnt matter?

yeah thats a valid point. but the way im being with this car is ride it until i die lol. i already figured once i get it close to 150k miles im going to swap a bigger motor in it. this was the car i always wanted and to be honest im never going to sell it but that is true what you said

well if thats the plan, i would say that adds even more fuel to the fire for buying a slightly higher mileage car! 150k on a well maintained lsx is nothing.

yeah?

but im also not making much $ so i cant afford a new engne

not kidding, these arent the sbc's of yesteryear. look around, lol, theres some sort of mileage thread/poll but i dont know how old it is or if its updated.

ok will do

btw that color on ur ss is sick always liked tht color

Remember what I told you in your other thread.

I'd rather have a car that has been driven, not one that has sat. Every problem in the book is going to come knocking at your front door.

Oh, and you may think of it as "basically new" but it is still a 10 year old car. And it's been sitting for 9.5 years.

btw that color on ur ss is sick always liked tht color

thanks, always liked it too. :)

Well bmw then i guess its going to break :)

I know a guy has 94 anniv edition and has no problems only 2k miles and my bro has 02 anniv edition 6k miles

Your money...well, some of it.

lol yeah im stubborn like i said im buying it if its truly a 3k car if not then ill get a 20k one

Remember what I told you in your other thread.

I'd rather have a car that has been driven, not one that has sat. Every problem in the book is going to come knocking at your front door.

Oh, and you may think of it as "basically new" but it is still a 10 year old car. And it's been sitting for 9.5 years.

This. :cheers:

I know a guy has 94 anniv edition and has no problems only 2k miles and my bro has 02 anniv edition 6k miles

That 94 anniversary is probably more of a garage and trailer queen than anything, based on its age its only been driven a little less than 1/3 of a mile everyday. how are problems supposed to arise? BWW makes a point, that car could just fall apart under daily driving.

lol yeah im stubborn like i said im buying it if its truly a 3k car if not then ill get a 20k one

common man, i thought we were moving past this.

This. :cheers:



That 94 anniversary is probably more of a garage and trailer queen than anything, based on its age its only been driven a little less than 1/3 of a mile everyday. how are problems supposed to arise? BWW makes a point, that car could just fall apart under daily driving.



common man, i thought we were moving past this.

we did. but im looking around and im just getting this car and i dont think it will be too big of a problem and if so i will fix it

We're not telling you this because were jealous or whatever you think, we're telling you this because we have been around these cars for years. I've seen cars with 300k miles run like champs and I've seen cars that have low miles run like shit. I've seen it the other way around as well.

If you were hunting a trailer/garage queen that only comes out for shows and short cruises once a month, by all means, get the 3k mile car. But your looking for a dd and spending money that can be better spent on a car that has more miles that is cheaper...

In my search on ebay, I found multiple 30-60k mile ws6's in probably just as good of shape as the one your looking at for half the price...think about the big booming stereo system you can have for 12k? All your high school friends will be drooling with envy when you roll in.

Also, how many times was that car started with no oil in it? Only averaging 315 miles a year, did he go out and start it up once every couple weeks or did he let it sit for 8-10 months out of the year and let all the oil drain back and all the oil film on The bearings drain as well?

Did he drive it once a year to see his WWII ship mates at a reunion that was 315 miles away? Who knows.

At least with the higher mileage car you know the oil has been changed more than 3 times in 10 years.

A good point...if it falls apart you will fix it...with what money? You already said your not making much money, if you can't afford 5k in a sound system, how,you going to afford 5k in a new engine if it let's loose?

At least with the higher mileage car you can save some money for just an occasion.

^^^ everything he said.

True well said

You really need to think about that kinda stuff before you buy a car like that, we are just trying to help.

i know

well do you have a new plan or are you still going with a showcar? lol

Trust me...I looked at every car from 3k to 300k miles, from lt1 automatics to ls1's and I settled on a 45k 98z. Best running ls1 I ever drove.

In for pics if you do get it OP

im not sure yet. im going to speak with my brother and tell him what u guys think and see what he thinks i should do

i dont have any on hand i will post them tomorrow

idk if these were posted but i refreshed my page, anyhow i will talk to my brother tomorrow and see what he says about this and i will tell him what u guys said and see where it goes from there and also i will post pics tomorrow
ok well these were written.... oh well

with what the OP has been saying... i think a mustang will fit your personality a little better than a f-body.

I have a very low mileage LS1 car that sits a lot.....14 years old, only 16k miles. It has no problems, I take it out every few weeks during the on-season, to car shows. The car drives great, just like when it was new. But I'm very serious about proper care for a seldom driven car....many people who leave them sit are not.

I would definitely rather have a 10k mile ~10 year old car than a 100k mile ~10 year old car, assuming the 10k mile car was properly cared for during it's life (fluid maintenance, occasionally driven during nice weather, fuel kept properly treated with Stabil, etc).

I would be somewhat wary of a super low mileage car that hasn't been driven for many years though.

A low mileage car can have issues due to neglect; a high(er) mileage car can have issues due to parts simply wearing out. There is no guaranty either way, but what's nice about the significantly lower mileage cars is that their phsyical condition is usually much better.

Yeah thats what i thought rpm, but im going to look at the car soon and if its good then i may get it. Also to who ever said i should get a mustsng u made my day :)

realize to go fast adding unnecessary weight is pointless theres a diff between goin fast and being quick.....ruining a F-body is utterly pointless leave that to the classic guys that put 22's on a fbody makes me wanna shoot myself heads/cam/Lts/exhaust/lid/intake mani/TB/tune will make u pretty quick
Ccw's are real nice but get classics or lm's
if u want a loud exhaust that says F U jus get a slp loudmouth u can piss off enough people with it lol just my 2 cents but purely ur choice

this car will just be a DD when i get older im going to get another one and do it up and make it for the track but that's long away and i just found out i don't need exhaust if i get this one the guy apparently changed it. also 22's on a f body or any car is ridiculous and people that dumb should not drive. i don't want to add to much hp since this is my first car and i don't need to wreck it or flip iti think between 350-400 is good enough especially for a first car that's a DD

this car will just be a DD when i get older im going to get another one and do it up and make it for the track but that's long away and i just found out i don't need exhaust if i get this one the guy apparently changed it. also 22's on a f body or any car is ridiculous and people that dumb should not drive. i don't want to add to much hp since this is my first car and i don't need to wreck it or flip iti think between 350-400 is good enough especially for a first car that's a DD

I dunno man. I got 22's on my S63, I think it looks F'n sweet. :)

Now on an F-body...:barf:

I dunno man. I got 22's on my S63, I think it looks F'n sweet. :)

Now on an F-body...:barf:
lol well thats bcuz thats vip man your allowed on that type of car but trust me i live in florida and we get this classic weekend crap and you kno how bad it is when i go to the local chill spots and we have to see like 300+ donks and what not and most will be ruined f-bodys or chevys in general and the new ss they love puttin on 26's the times im glad i dont own a gun

Stock ls1 power is entirely too much for a first car dd...or a first car period.

Stock ls1 power is entirely too much for a first car dd...or a first car period.

Fresh driver+tail happy torque-monster+impressing all the ladies= :(

I would do number 6 because it is hot out now, and easier to adhere to the window, then number three cause exhaust is a must then lower it then wheels, all while looking for a cheap lid, and scratch the loud sound system idea cause that always gets old

Fresh driver+tail happy torque-monster+impressing all the ladies= :(
awww come on bro lol you know hell hav fun times in the rain

It's all fun and games until the newbie wraps his 3k miles WS6 around a pole. Not like I've seen anything similar happen with a 16 year old and a quick street car. :eyes:

OP: skip the stereo. Get exhaust first, and you'll find that listening to the beautiful symphony only 8 cylinders can play is much better than bumping your mad-tight-swagg subs to the latest Gucci Mane and Waka Flocka. Hell, when I bought my car I tore the subwoofer/amp out of it.

:drive: o shit man counter steer :eek2: booom :violin: dearly beloved :angel:

ok im done :lurk:

Stock ls1 power is entirely too much for a first car dd...or a first car period.

lol i dunno, i rock it pretty well! :drive:

:drive: o shit man counter steer :eek2: booom :violin: dearly beloved :angel:

ok im done :lurk:
Hahaa

Stock ls1 power is entirely too much for a first car dd...or a first car period.

LOL, ok fine ill buy a prius :drive:

fits you much better, good decision. lol

lol thanks for agreeing

Hahaa
i was talking about the f-body :-) lol jk

yeah... ss isnt worth as much as ws6 sorry :(

lol, well lets look at their prices... go find one that has the same mileage as a ta going for more.

lol, well lets look at their prices... go find one that has the same mileage as a ta going for more.

Hey OP

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Nah man but in all seriousness. You can find nice fbodys for from the 6-8k range. Why would you want to spend every last dollar you have on a car, where your just going to watch it get beat up from daily use (no matter how much you take care of a car if you DD it it's going to get beat up), have no money in case something goes wrong with it, and exhaust your fun money. OH I KNOW I KNOW :secret: its mommy and daddys money.

Oh well whatever you do, more power to you and be safe, you might want to check your attitude a little bit, one day you might need our help and everyone is going to think your an idoit know it all teenager... if they don't all ready :funny: I'm kidding. :cheers:


Stock ls1 power is entirely too much for a first car dd...or a first car period.

I agree, I nearly killed myself in my slow integra that i thought would straight up OWN anything on the road, I can only imagine if I would of had my LS1 then. I feel confident I would have really hurt myself. I was rather... childish back then and looking back I did some really dangerous stuff.

I have a very low mileage LS1 car that sits a lot.....14 years old, only 16k miles. It has no problems, I take it out every few weeks during the on-season, to car shows. The car drives great, just like when it was new. But I'm very serious about proper care for a seldom driven car....many people who leave them sit are not.

I would definitely rather have a 10k mile ~10 year old car than a 100k mile ~10 year old car, assuming the 10k mile car was properly cared for during it's life (fluid maintenance, occasionally driven during nice weather, fuel kept properly treated with Stabil, etc).

I would be somewhat wary of a super low mileage car that hasn't been driven for many years though.

A low mileage car can have issues due to neglect; a high(er) mileage car can have issues due to parts simply wearing out. There is no guaranty either way, but what's nice about the significantly lower mileage cars is that their phsyical condition is usually much better.

RPM what do you think about when your buying a car with the sole intention of modding the crap out of it? I bought my car with a little under 100k because I knew I would be swapping out almost all of the parts.

If I would have been looking for a NICE car that would maybe see bolts on and a tune or something of that nature I would have looked for a leather/low mileage one.

What do you think? You have two fbodys I assume you did the same thing?

Hey OP

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Nah man but in all seriousness. You can find nice fbodys for from the 6-8k range. Why would you want to spend every last dollar you have on a car, where your just going to watch it get beat up from daily use (no matter how much you take care of a car if you DD it it's going to get beat up), have no money in case something goes wrong with it, and exhaust your fun money. OH I KNOW I KNOW :secret: its mommy and daddys money.

Oh well whatever you do, more power to you and be safe, you might want to check your attitude a little bit, one day you might need our help and everyone is going to think your an idoit know it all teenager... if they don't all ready :funny: I'm kidding. :cheers:




I agree, I nearly killed myself in my slow integra that i thought would straight up OWN anything on the road, I can only imagine if I would of had my LS1 then. I feel confident I would have really hurt myself. I was rather... childish back then and looking back I did some really dangerous stuff.



RPM what do you think about when your buying a car with the sole intention of modding the crap out of it? I bought my car with a little under 100k because I knew I would be swapping out almost all of the parts.

If I would have been looking for a NICE car that would maybe see bolts on and a tune or something of that nature I would have looked for a leather/low mileage one.

What do you think? You have two fbodys I assume you did the same thing?
im totally agree with this guy ^^^

i so have watched that pic about 20 times in a row

lol thanks for agreeing

not agreeing with you, im just saying it can be done. you dont seem to know very much about cars, so why would you know anything about driving them... maybe you should get a mustang. i heard those 2 valves are SWEETTTTTT. They sound like exactly what you are looking for, you can add "rims", a stereo and and maybe a few stickers for extra hp. lol

not agreeing with you, im just saying it can be done. you dont seem to know very much about cars, so why would you know anything about driving them...

Sig worthy

Oh hey BlueSS nice color ;)

RPM what do you think about when your buying a car with the sole intention of modding the crap out of it? I bought my car with a little under 100k because I knew I would be swapping out almost all of the parts.

If I would have been looking for a NICE car that would maybe see bolts on and a tune or something of that nature I would have looked for a leather/low mileage one.

What do you think? You have two fbodys I assume you did the same thing?

The only advantage to a super low mileage one for this purpose is that they will be in better cosmetic condition inside and out. But other than that, I agree that there is no point in paying a premium for low mileage parts if you plan to replace all of them anyway. And if the car is going to be a daily driver, then there is little point in paying a premium for a show car when it's just going to get beat up with weather and such.

This was exactly my reasoning for having two of them. One is a show quality car that is just a weekend toy, the other is a spring/summer/fall daily driver (it used to be a winter driver too).

If you want a really nice condition one that isn't going to be a daily driver, but still intened to upgrade most of the drivetrain, then an intermediate mileage example would probably be the best of both worlds; nicer condition than a super high mileage car, but not carry the price preimum of a super low mileage garage queen.

And stock F-body leather is junk IMO. I've had two with cloth and two with leather.......I would MUCH rather have the cloth. Not to mention how hot that leather gets with the t-tops off - no thanks! ;)

My6speedZ ... you nailed it.

RPM-Not sure I agree with the comment about our leather being junk. Mine is near mint for a nearly 12 year old car. Also the seats are comfy as heck in the T/A imo (not sure about the Camaro's seats for the long haul though).

OP-Like RPM mentioned, buy an intermediate mileage car that has been well cared for mechanically and cosmetically. Of course, this should be important to check out no matter what year/mileage car you buy. I do know what you mean about T/As seeming to fetch a few dollars more on average, in some areas. It's like that where I am as well, but the price difference in all reality is negligible and mostly because people think the WS-6 is a whole different animal :bang:.

Buy one you really like, taking into account the transmission you want (sometimes dependant on what type of driving it will be seeing and personal preference). Don't spend too much just to get what you consider to be a "mint" car. Start off with basic mods like a lid (anyone will do), catback (if the owner doesn't already have one) and then of course your tint of choice and maybe rims (not a priority imo right away though-up to you). Also, check and make sure the cd player works etc, if not I'd opt for a decent used one that works or an aftermarket deck w/ appropriate adaptor. Hold off on the sound system until you have the car awhile imo, because you may change your mind. These systems don't sound all that bad stock and will get you by.

I wouldn't recommend driving it all winter, but that's up to you as well. They are not great for winter and they are able to get sideways even in just rain-just something to keep in mind. Good luck with your purchase though, and check in here each and everytime for advice before you do a mod and drop money. These guys will save you a ton of money and it pays to get opinions and advice. If you don't like what you hear you don't have to take the advice, but always get a few opinions and think about how many of us have been where you are and have wasted money. We may know a thing or two about a thing or two ;). :cheers:

RPM-Not sure I agree with the comment about our leather being junk. Mine is near mint for a nearly 12 year old car. Also the seats are comfy as heck in the T/A imo (not sure about the Camaro's seats for the long haul though).

I always favor the cloth seats now.

I bought a brand new Trans Am in 2000, which obviously came stock with leather. This was a garage kept car, and I used leather conditioner consistantly on the seats from day one. Even still, within 4 years the top of the rear seats was beginning to shrink on the leather portions, but not on the vinyl center section. This is a common issue for the Pontiac leather, not so much with the Camaros though. However, the Camaro leather has more of an issue with cracking as it ages. The cloth seat cars that I have now still look like new though, even after 100k+ miles on the '02 and all these years.

And I've never understood what it is about the T/A seats that people seem to think is so much more comfortable than the Camaro seats? I've had both, and I really can't say that either one stood out as being better or worse in the comfort department - and that's even with the lumbar option on the TA (I never found this to be useful). I feel just as comfortable sitting in either seat.

I always favor the cloth seats now.

I bought a brand new Trans Am in 2000, which obviously came stock with leather. This was a garage kept car, and I used leather conditioner consistantly on the seats from day one. Even still, within 4 years the top of the rear seats was beginning to shrink on the leather portions, but not on the vinyl center section. This is a common issue for the Pontiac leather, not so much with the Camaros though. However, the Camaro leather has more of an issue with cracking as it ages. The cloth seat cars that I have now still look like new though, even after 100k+ miles on the '02 and all these years.

And I've never understood what it is about the T/A seats that people seem to think is so much more comfortable than the Camaro seats? I've had both, and I really can't say that either one stood out as being better or worse in the comfort department - and that's even with the lumbar option on the TA (I never found this to be useful). I feel just as comfortable sitting in either seat.
Side-bolsters on the T/A are better perhaps? Maybe your ass is flat lol? Not sure why but I find them easier on the ass for longer trips. Also, the lumbar isn't bad if travelling a distance, but typically I never use it either. What I do miss though is the old syle head rest in my old T/A. It actually pulled forward, meeting the back of your head properly.

I never noticed shrinking leather however, what type of conditioner you use? Mine's parked in the sun most of the summer and still looks like new. I do like the cloth though for the hot/cold days though, agreed :nod:. My '95 had cloth, but I never really liked how it looked all that much, maybe the color didn't do it justice? I really do find the T/A seats more comfortable and obviously I'm not the only one :secret:. Maybe the Camaro's flatten out quicker as a result of different padding? Not real sure, but all the ones I've sat in just felt more like a bench seat than a bucket to me. That's why I suggested that the side bolsters may be different. Either way, I'm sure they're comparable enough, and it's like speaker sound, strictly subjective based on what sounds good to "your" ear. Except this is ass-specific lol. These are pony cars anyways, not Caddys :P.

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thank you to both! :cheers:

Side-bolsters on the T/A are better perhaps? Maybe your ass is flat lol? Not sure why but I find them easier on the ass for longer trips. Also, the lumbar isn't bad if travelling a distance, but typically I never use it either. What I do miss though is the old syle head rest in my old T/A. It actually pulled forward, meeting the back of your head properly.

I never noticed shrinking leather however, what type of conditioner you use? Mine's parked in the sun most of the summer and still looks like new. I do like the cloth though for the hot/cold days though, agreed :nod:. My '95 had cloth, but I never really liked how it looked all that much, maybe the color didn't do it justice? I really do find the T/A seats more comfortable and obviously I'm not the only one :secret:. Maybe the Camaro's flatten out quicker as a result of different padding? Not real sure, but all the ones I've sat in just felt more like a bench seat than a bucket to me. That's why I suggested that the side bolsters may be different. Either way, I'm sure they're comparable enough, and it's like speaker sound, strictly subjective based on what sounds good to "your" ear. Except this is ass-specific lol. These are pony cars anyways, not Caddys :P.

Here is a random picture I found on the site that shows the condition:

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o180/RPM_CamaroZ/TransAmrearseats.jpg

As you can see, the vinyl center section stays at the original level, while the leather surfaces on either side of the top edge shrink over time. This is a very common sight, and something I was noticing pretty early in the life of mine as well.

Yeah, I have no clue what the comfort difference is to some. Maybe some body types just fit better in one seat or the other. For me, it's nothing that I've ever noticed, and I've spent many hours in both seats. In general, these cars fit me like a glove and frankly I find both to be comfortable. I just like the cloth better for the wear aspect and how much easier it is to live with in the hot/cold.

RPM-Not sure I agree with the comment about our leather being junk. Mine is near mint for a nearly 12 year old car. Also the seats are comfy as heck in the T/A imo (not sure about the Camaro's seats for the long haul though).

OP-Like RPM mentioned, buy an intermediate mileage car that has been well cared for mechanically and cosmetically. Of course, this should be important to check out no matter what year/mileage car you buy. I do know what you mean about T/As seeming to fetch a few dollars more on average, in some areas. It's like that where I am as well, but the price difference in all reality is negligible and mostly because people think the WS-6 is a whole different animal :bang:.

Buy one you really like, taking into account the transmission you want (sometimes dependant on what type of driving it will be seeing and personal preference). Don't spend too much just to get what you consider to be a "mint" car. Start off with basic mods like a lid (anyone will do), catback (if the owner doesn't already have one) and then of course your tint of choice and maybe rims (not a priority imo right away though-up to you). Also, check and make sure the cd player works etc, if not I'd opt for a decent used one that works or an aftermarket deck w/ appropriate adaptor. Hold off on the sound system until you have the car awhile imo, because you may change your mind. These systems don't sound all that bad stock and will get you by.

I wouldn't recommend driving it all winter, but that's up to you as well. They are not great for winter and they are able to get sideways even in just rain-just something to keep in mind. Good luck with your purchase though, and check in here each and everytime for advice before you do a mod and drop money. These guys will save you a ton of money and it pays to get opinions and advice. If you don't like what you hear you don't have to take the advice, but always get a few opinions and think about how many of us have been where you. are and have wasted money. We may know a thing or two about a thing or two ;). :cheers:

true point with the winter but i dont drive then, i may not buy the car but im going to look at it soon also alot of u guys are asses lol but i understand im a kid and u just think im dumb or ignorant but im not as dumb or slow paced with cars as u may think

true point with the winter but i dont drive then, i may not buy the car but im going to look at it soon also alot of u guys are asses lol but i understand im a kid and u just think im dumb or ignorant but im not as dumb or slow paced with cars as u may think

you sure about that?

sure about what?

op how old are you?

16 I'm guessing. Vey uneducated is my guess.

Here is a random picture I found on the site that shows the condition:

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o180/RPM_CamaroZ/TransAmrearseats.jpg

As you can see, the vinyl center section stays at the original level, while the leather surfaces on either side of the top edge shrink over time. This is a very common sight, and something I was noticing pretty early in the life of mine as well.

Yeah, I have no clue what the comfort difference is to some. Maybe some body types just fit better in one seat or the other. For me, it's nothing that I've ever noticed, and I've spent many hours in both seats. In general, these cars fit me like a glove and frankly I find both to be comfortable. I just like the cloth better for the wear aspect and how much easier it is to live with in the hot/cold.Yes I have to agree with that! For the nature of the car, great comfort imo. I see what you are saying, but then again that car has likely sat in Florida sun with little to no attention. Also there is no seating in the center, and therefore the padding is not necessarily the same underneath the whole rear section. I can't see it being just the leather shrinking, but I can't say for sure. People sitting on either side of that center section could also do that imo, by pulling the leather down more taught than seats like mine, which haven't been sat in much. I'll take a picture of mine if you like, it doesn't look like that. I see what you're saying about wear aspect, but frankly it's hard to match the durability of leather. Hell you can give a ride home to a drunk friend who drops a heater from his smoke on your seat and not worry that it will immediately burn a hole. Not that any drunk friends are allowed in my ride anymore :mad:. I think we'll have to say that each has it's own ups and down, and I'll add that leather wasn't really a deal breaker for me. At least cloth doesn't crack or "shrink" as you say. But I've always had cloth hard tops, so the leather and t-tops was sort of a nice change. Looks pretty damn sharp to me too, but again subjective.

true point with the winter but i dont drive then, i may not buy the car but im going to look at it soon also alot of u guys are asses lol but i understand im a kid and u just think im dumb or ignorant but im not as dumb or slow paced with cars as u may think

I think I'm the few who hasn't ragged on you whatsoever lol. Quote the right person. I think you are young, but I left that out of my comment did I not lol? Either way, I know what it's like to want something BAD! So I'm not trying to talk you out of something...the best lessons are the lessons learned, not taught. Later punk! lol jk :jest:

16 I'm guessing. Vey uneducated is my guess.

sure, uneducated...

Lol. Whatever, let us know what you bought when you do man :cheers:.

Yes I have to agree with that! For the nature of the car, great comfort imo. I see what you are saying, but then again that car has likely sat in Florida sun with little to no attention. Also there is no seating in the center, and therefore the padding is not necessarily the same underneath the whole rear section. I can't see it being just the leather shrinking, but I can't say for sure. People sitting on either side of that center section could also do that imo, by pulling the leather down more taught than seats like mine, which haven't been sat in much. I'll take a picture of mine if you like, it doesn't look like that. I see what you're saying about wear aspect, but frankly it's hard to match the durability of leather. Hell you can give a ride home to a drunk friend who drops a heater from his smoke on your seat and not worry that it will immediately burn a hole. Not that any drunk friends are allowed in my ride anymore :mad:. I think we'll have to say that each has it's own ups and down, and I'll add that leather wasn't really a deal breaker for me. At least cloth doesn't crack or "shrink" as you say. But I've always had cloth hard tops, so the leather and t-tops was sort of a nice change. Looks pretty damn sharp to me too, but again subjective.



I think I'm the few who hasn't ragged on you whatsoever lol. Quote the right person. I think you are young, but I left that out of my comment did I not lol? Either way, I know what it's like to want something BAD! So I'm not trying to talk you out of something...the best lessons are the lessons learned, not taught. Later punk! lol jk :jest:

yeah, i wasn't talking about u just put 2 comments into one also yeah your one of the few who hasn't actually ragged on me. but i can see why they are mad or dislike me its bc im new to the car game and i don't know that much yet although i am eager to learn just wish they weren't so immature makes me feel like they are younger then me :)

5k into a sound system isnt enough. buy a monsoon stereo, they run 7-8k alone.

loud exhaust that makes alarms go off is a new manufacturer i've never heard of, wish i could help

5k into a sound system isnt enough. buy a monsoon stereo, they run 7-8k alone.

loud exhaust that makes alarms go off is a new manufacturer i've never heard of, wish i could help

sure! thanks

Lol, funny but useless information. OP-no one is mad or dislikes you, but they are just trying to help out, while perhaps having a little fun because of some of the things you stated. There's a ton of good info they already gave you though so arm yourself with some knowledge wherever you can imo.

true point with the winter but i dont drive then, i may not buy the car but im going to look at it soon also alot of u guys are asses lol but i understand im a kid and u just think im dumb or ignorant but im not as dumb or slow paced with cars as u may think

We aren't mad or dislike you. If you couldn't tell I was just ribbing you a little bit.

The thing is, is we see this kind of stuff quite often from newbies, some think they know it all, some ask for our advice and then don't listen (so why even ask).

We just hate seeing young guys get these cars and mistreat them or worse buy one just to wrap it around a tree because they don't respect the power these cars have (even in stock form) or how unpredictable they can be sometimes in the rain. We hate seeing anyone get hurt or one of our beloved LSX cars totaled.

We aren't mad or dislike you. If you couldn't tell I was just ribbing you a little bit.

The thing is, is we see this kind of stuff quite often from newbies, some think they know it all, some ask for our advice and then don't listen (so why even ask).

We just hate seeing young guys get these cars and mistreat them or worse buy one just to wrap it around a tree because they don't respect the power these cars have (even in stock form) or how unpredictable they can be sometimes in the rain. We hate seeing anyone get hurt or one of our beloved LSX cars totaled.
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i just asked what mods should i add the.... this happened lol

Mys6peed is it just me, or did you spell quiet wrong in your sig lmao.

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i just asked what mods should i add the.... this happened lol

If you get the car don't add any until you atleast get a feel for the car with it's stock power. believe me if your not used to a rear wheel posi, the car will have enough power to surprise you in stock form

Where in Nassau?

Nobody dislikes you OP, but you come on the boards asking for advice, then feel like you have to be a sarcastic ass with half of your responses. Therefore, you get razzed. If you feel the need to mod your car, buy a 40-70k mile car, save some money and get quality parts (unless your parents are giving you mod money on top of the 20k car allowance.) A lid and catback would be plenty for a new driver with 350+ lb-ft of torque. If you drive like an idiot, I guarantee you'll wreck it and it won't be pretty.

Garden City. also i work for my money but whatever and i didnt ask what car to buy i dont need people to give me opinions on how many miles of a car too buy.

:bang: You're clearly missing the point. But OK.

Nobody dislikes you OP, but you come on the boards asking for advice, then feel like you have to be a sarcastic ass with half of your responses. Therefore, you get razzed. If you feel the need to mod your car, buy a 40-70k mile car, save some money and get quality parts (unless your parents are giving you mod money on top of the 20k car allowance.) A lid and catback would be plenty for a new driver with 350+ lb-ft of torque. If you drive like an idiot, I guarantee you'll wreck it and it won't be pretty.

He is a smartass, he doesnt listen, and is gonna get the responses hes been getting because he is asking for them. like i said earlier, buy a mustang, put some stickers on it and fit right in with the rest of the people who act like you. im 16, i know how to act on a board, i understand how to respect my car, i take good care of my car, i learn about my car, i do research, i did research before i bought my car, i knew exactly what i wanted to do to it, down to the brand name before it was even bough. i read about the power of the car in stock form, i read about how it handled in the rain, how it handled, how it braked, etc etc etc. when i got my car i knew what i was getting. You are gonna get in over your head and ruin a piece of america and possibly a phone pole or two. you cant come onto a lsx specific forum where there is tons of information and ask questions that are so open ended and thoughtlessly posted and expect people to treat you like you are one of them.

Nobody is being rude except you. We have all been your age at some point it time. Myself, I got my z28 at age 18 and looking at it now, I wish I would have waited. After I had it for a year, I hit a patch of ice and stuffed it right into a guard rail.

I wish I would have waited until I could have afforded a winter beater so it would have never happened.

Mys6peed is it just me, or did you spell quiet wrong in your sig lmao.

Funny never noticed that, I copied and pasted that from a Patton website haha.

Garden City. also i work for my money but whatever and i didnt ask what car to buy i dont need people to give me opinions on how many miles of a car too buy.

I tried being nice, but fuck this guy.

Garden City. also i work for my money but whatever and i didnt ask what car to buy i dont need people to give me opinions on how many miles of a car too buy.

THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU HERE IF YOU KNOW EVERYTHING?:gruffy:

I really don't see how anything else good could possibily come from this thread....