Supporting Mods for Magic Stick 3
07-31-2012, 05:44 PM
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Supporting Mods for Magic Stick 3 What supporting mods should I add to my existing setup in my signature to put together a good combined setup to run a MS3. Im thinking 243 heads and the kit from Texas Speed for the cam.. still use 7.400 pushrods? you guys chime in on what to use.
07-31-2012, 05:47 PM
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The pushrod length will depend on what other parts you end up using. At the same time you do this swap a lot of people will look into doing stuff like an oil pump, timing chain, and lifters. If you do the lifters they might change pushrod length so it would be worth it to get a pushrod length checker in my opinion. For oil pump we usually go with the TSP LS6 ported oil pump. Timing chain wise you have a lot of options. You could go as simple as reusing your stock gears and replace the LS1 chain with an LS2. It is a stronger chain that tends not to stretch as much. Or you could look into an aftermarket single or double roller chain. I would not say those are required for this type of setup but it never hurts to over build. Let me know if you have any other questions.
07-31-2012, 06:18 PM
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The pushrod length will depend on what other parts you end up using. At the same time you do this swap a lot of people will look into doing stuff like an oil pump, timing chain, and lifters. If you do the lifters they might change pushrod length so it would be worth it to get a pushrod length checker in my opinion. For oil pump we usually go with the TSP LS6 ported oil pump. Timing chain wise you have a lot of options. You could go as simple as reusing your stock gears and replace the LS1 chain with an LS2. It is a stronger chain that tends not to stretch as much. Or you could look into an aftermarket single or double roller chain. I would not say those are required for this type of setup but it never hurts to over build. Let me know if you have any other questions.
07-31-2012, 07:05 PM
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I think you took on a more expensive project than you might be thinking.
An MS3 cam is like close to the all out MAX for an LS1.
I can't understand all you "Mod" lingo,
But you WILL need (to do it right)
Timing chain
Oil pump
Lifters
Lifter Trays
pushrods
Trunion upgrade
That cam will choke out the heads, so you need good flowing heads ($1500+), Intake (FAST $1000+), and exhaust (headers),
Your also going to need a good tune. Do you have a manual car? Gears? Might need to upgrade the clutch,
Your looking at $3,000+
Since you clain possible engine problems...I would look for a LQ or LY engine instead
An MS3 cam is like close to the all out MAX for an LS1.
I can't understand all you "Mod" lingo,
But you WILL need (to do it right)
Timing chain
Oil pump
Lifters
Lifter Trays
pushrods
Trunion upgrade
That cam will choke out the heads, so you need good flowing heads ($1500+), Intake (FAST $1000+), and exhaust (headers),
Your also going to need a good tune. Do you have a manual car? Gears? Might need to upgrade the clutch,
Your looking at $3,000+
Since you clain possible engine problems...I would look for a LQ or LY engine instead
07-31-2012, 08:27 PM
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Camshaft $400
Timing Chain $120 (SLP)
Oil Pump $100 (SLP)
Timing chain gasket $35
ARP Pulley Bolt $30
Push Rods $115
Heads $1,000
Head Gaskets $60
ARP Studs $180
FAST 92 $850
92mm TB $350
Trunnion upgrade $125
Thats over $3,000 and I didn't add in all the Misc. stuff
Tools, RTV, cleaning products, rags, brushes....
07-31-2012, 09:54 PM
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The MS3 runs just fine on stock heads. The magic stick cams are designed as max effort cams for stock motors. He already has 243s which are an extra 15rwhp over the stock LS1s. Cam package is 730, h/c gasket kit is 160, lifters are 140, timing chain is 45, oil pump is 180. From there you get the car tuned. If you do your own labor, which is very doable, you are well under 2k for this h/c swap. This kind of swap does not require ARP bolts. The FAST can easily be done later on down the road, another part not required for a cam swap.
OP I would recommend doing a lot of these things because of the 90k on the motor. If you didn't do it now it would need to be done soon after the abuse its about to receive. We most commonly use the LS7 lifters.
OP I would recommend doing a lot of these things because of the 90k on the motor. If you didn't do it now it would need to be done soon after the abuse its about to receive. We most commonly use the LS7 lifters.
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I installed that cam back in 2006 into a 2000FRC Corvette along with the TSP 243 heads/Kooks LT's, took me a full day along working with the owner of the car(I was a LS noob at the time), owner had it Don Kinder's shop the next week for the tune
Fartpipe bought the car back in 2007?
10.80's at 130MPH, on the stock shortblock with the MS3/TS heads
Fartpipe bought the car back in 2007?
10.80's at 130MPH, on the stock shortblock with the MS3/TS heads
07-31-2012, 10:33 PM
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I installed that cam back in 2006 into a 2000FRC Corvette along with the TSP 243 heads/Kooks LT's, took me a full day along working with the owner of the car(I was a LS noob at the time), owner had it Don Kinder's shop the next week for the tune
Fartpipe bought the car back in 2007?
10.80's at 130MPH, on the stock shortblock with the MS3/TS heads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBIKUNRBrkM&feature=plcp
Fartpipe bought the car back in 2007?
10.80's at 130MPH, on the stock shortblock with the MS3/TS heads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBIKUNRBrkM&feature=plcp
07-31-2012, 10:41 PM
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The MS3 runs just fine on stock heads. The magic stick cams are designed as max effort cams for stock motors. He already has 243s which are an extra 15rwhp over the stock LS1s. Cam package is 730, h/c gasket kit is 160, lifters are 140, timing chain is 45, oil pump is 180. From there you get the car tuned. If you do your own labor, which is very doable, you are well under 2k for this h/c swap. This kind of swap does not require ARP bolts. The FAST can easily be done later on down the road, another part not required for a cam swap.
OP I would recommend doing a lot of these things because of the 90k on the motor. If you didn't do it now it would need to be done soon after the abuse its about to receive. We most commonly use the LS7 lifters.
OP I would recommend doing a lot of these things because of the 90k on the motor. If you didn't do it now it would need to be done soon after the abuse its about to receive. We most commonly use the LS7 lifters.
Too many people have had the stock rockers shell out needle bearings with high lift/RPM cams too, so the trunnion upgrade is a smart move.
Also a MS3 needs headers, an intake, and good heads. If you don't your not taking advantage of the big cam.
BTW He said he doesnt have 243s yet, so he has 241s.
Obviously he can build on it as he goes, but tunes add up too. So IMHO..."Doing it right" is doing those upgrades at the same time.
If wasnt going so big on the cam, I would swap the cam and be done with it.
