Street Racing & Kill Stories - G8 vs 4g63 eclipse gsx at some point




GXPPOWER
08-06-2012, 05:58 PM
some kid is running his mouth that he will Dust any LS series engine once his engine gets rebuilt. so much so he said with the rebuilt engine but all stock except the rotating assembly he will easily beat my "pos g8" am i missing something here lol. Im confused because i would consider a stock eclipse gsx with a rebuilt engine or not to still be a 14 second or high 13 car right?

someone educate me. the best part. the car isn't even running but he is calling me out lol.


2SSARME
08-06-2012, 06:03 PM
Have him join these forums and post his setup.

Typical slow piece of shit is what he has.

willizm
08-06-2012, 06:44 PM
GSX's are interesting because they can be absolute monsters or junk and very hard to tell the difference. We would need to know more about his build, turbo trim, fueling to get a better idea on how capable it would be. The bottom end of the older 4g63's have been plagued with crank walk so if he is doing it right, his setup should be more capable.


Sticks n Stones
08-06-2012, 07:15 PM
GSX's are interesting because they can be absolute monsters or junk and very hard to tell the difference. We would need to know more about his build, turbo trim, fueling to get a better idea on how capable it would be. The bottom end of the older 4g63's have been plagued with crank walk so if he is doing it right, his setup should be more capable.

Ehh, from my experience I've learned that whenever someone brings out the "I'll be able to beat any ____ powered car" type of idiocy that they are full of lots of shit and little knowledge. His car will be either slow as hell or in need of a new engine in the immediate future I surmise.

GXPPOWER
08-06-2012, 07:51 PM
he said it was a 1g whatever that means? i dunno and that everything would be stock minus the rotating assembly. I've looked up some midly modded DSMs and they all seem to be 13 second cars with a few running bottom 13s. it just blows my mind. the worst is he thinks the G8 is a pos car and worthless i mean i know its not some bentley but this guy is super narrow minded. he then said i backed out of racing him. but yet he doesn't have a car ready to race lol.... this guy uses some crazy ricer logic.... i honestly don't think he will ever have it running.

Sticks n Stones
08-06-2012, 08:16 PM
Please tell me you are one of the guys stationed at Lewis/McChord in Washington? If not, where? It's truly not that hard to list where you are from when you fill out your info in the control panel.

Other then that, I would tell him to put up or shut up. His POS is always gonna be either broken down or 'being upgraded', either way it leaves him using his Nikes and ricer math to entertain himself. Unless you are exaggerating what he said maybe? Cuz he sounds like a total douche that I am surprised you hang out with.

willizm
08-06-2012, 08:19 PM
he said it was a 1g whatever that means? i dunno and that everything would be stock minus the rotating assembly. I've looked up some midly modded DSMs and they all seem to be 13 second cars with a few running bottom 13s. it just blows my mind. the worst is he thinks the G8 is a pos car and worthless i mean i know its not some bentley but this guy is super narrow minded. he then said i backed out of racing him. but yet he doesn't have a car ready to race lol.... this guy uses some crazy ricer logic.... i honestly don't think he will ever have it running.

Is this a facebook group or something? Ask him what turbo he's going with and how many lbs of boost he plans on making with it.

Beans
08-06-2012, 08:24 PM
Didn't read through the responses but he's a fucking moron.

All stock but the rotating assy? If he had a clue what he was doing he'd leave the rotating assy stock and build the head.

Dumbass.

2SSARME
08-06-2012, 08:42 PM
+2 to facebook.
Pass us a link!

TooSlowTA
08-06-2012, 08:59 PM
Sounds like he doesnt know much about his own car so I wouldnt worry. A gsx built right can be quick as hell so find out what is going into his build. I am actually building one right now, figured it will be a fun daily driver but I have hopes of making a profit off of it to fund my dream of owning a WS6 :)

GXPPOWER
08-06-2012, 09:33 PM
Im not stationed anywhere anymore. I was at Fort Campbell for a good while when i was in the Army. Air assault!!! use to drag race at beech bend when i had my Trans am.

anyhow the guy stop talking when a few other people joined in to make fun of him. and trust me nothing was made up. this guy is just the pure definition of a narrow minded ricer.

Daz
08-06-2012, 10:08 PM
DSM can be fast as hell ! You can get 300hp+ with bolt-ons and ebay parts.

1G refers to the 1st gen GSX's(90-94). They came with 6bolt engines. The 7 bolt came in the 95-99, which had problems with crankwalk !

Beans
08-06-2012, 10:10 PM
DSM can be fast as hell ! You can get 300hp+ with bolt-ons and ebay parts.

1G refers to the 1st gen GSX's(90-94). They came with 6bolt engines. The 7 bolt came in the 95-99, which had problems with crankwalk !

Yeah but this one wont be.

adamantium
08-07-2012, 12:34 AM
109 mph is nothing to be all high mighty about, a stock 1g with bolt ons and a 16g e85 can easily see 300awhp. IF he's rebuilding with forged internals that bottom end (assuming its a 1g) is good for 650ish+ (depending what sort of internals he went with). Good luck.

zboy2012
08-07-2012, 12:44 AM
I agree with everyone that is saying the gsx can be fast as hell. My dad had one that pushed 300hp easy with bolt ons and it was a 1g which is a mean little engine if built right just get more info and hope and pray he's not rebuilding with forged internals and going with a bigger turbo because when most dsm guys build the 1g's they don't keep it stock. But on the other hand they are junk at times too, when one thing breaks you better be ready to spend some cash because something else will likely go wrong too. Sorry about the rambling I'm kind of a import guy too haha.

Beans
08-07-2012, 07:31 AM
109 mph is nothing to be all high mighty about, a stock 1g with bolt ons and a 16g e85 can easily see 300awhp. IF he's rebuilding with forged internals that bottom end (assuming its a 1g) is good for 650ish+ (depending what sort of internals he went with). Good luck.

The stock 6 bolt will take 500-550 for years if you tune it right.

You don't build the bottom end of a DSM and leave the head stock. You build the head to make power and leave the bottom end alone unless you're going 35R or larger.

The only reason my Talon had a built bottom end was because after 185K miles of abuse it was starting to lose compression.

Sweet_SS
08-07-2012, 07:55 AM
some kid is running his mouth that he will Dust any LS series engine once his engine gets rebuilt. so much so he said with the rebuilt engine but all stock except the rotating assembly he will easily beat my "pos g8" am i missing something here lol. Im confused because i would consider a stock eclipse gsx with a rebuilt engine or not to still be a 14 second or high 13 car right?

someone educate me. the best part. the car isn't even running but he is calling me out lol.

I love it when my old DSM crew likes to flex their muscle. Here's one of many comments made to me from an 1G AWD laser owner (thought was a friend)

If it wasn't ment to be boosted they wouldn't make the kits for the car. Gettin loans is not having money if you wanna go there I recall you clearly sayin your still makin payments on the talon build from like 6 years ago anyone can build a car on credit. And I don't finish my car because I don't want too. I'm doing other things with my money like having fun. Not putting it into somethin that I know will break after a few pulls weather its an axle or any other stupid thing. And if I did do a V8 I would make sure it was at least 1500 on the first build not 600 that Any 4 cylinder can make. But I'm building a 4 cylinder to laugh at 600hp v8 :)


This guy is a clown. Besides I'm sure my fully forged 376 LS3 will make more than 600. I feel your pain lol Keep in mind that not every DSM owner knows what it takes to build a high horsepower car.

Side Note: Most of us are able to pay cash for everything.

2SSARME
08-07-2012, 08:11 AM
lol@1500 comment.

"Pff you and your 600hp are nothing. If I wanted to I'd make 1500. Oh my current car? Well it only is 200 but lots of others ones like my engine make 600."

Sweet_SS
08-07-2012, 08:27 AM
lol@1500 comment.

"Pff you and your 600hp are nothing. If I wanted to I'd make 1500. Oh my current car? Well it only is 200 but lots of others ones like my engine make 600."

That's what I should have responded with.

adamantium
08-07-2012, 12:47 PM
The stock 6 bolt will take 500-550 for years if you tune it right.

You don't build the bottom end of a DSM and leave the head stock. You build the head to make power and leave the bottom end alone unless you're going 35R or larger.

The only reason my Talon had a built bottom end was because after 185K miles of abuse it was starting to lose compression.

I love em, idk why i really wanted a 1g after seeing this local guys car decimate everything basically.
Heres his dyno sheet, he's going with an auto now though.

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/5069/dynopowa.jpg

GXPPOWER
08-07-2012, 02:02 PM
109 mph is nothing to be all high mighty about, a stock 1g with bolt ons and a 16g e85 can easily see 300awhp. IF he's rebuilding with forged internals that bottom end (assuming its a 1g) is good for 650ish+ (depending what sort of internals he went with). Good luck.


but would not 300awhp take more boost, and supporting mods? this kid said the engine was being rebuilt but keeping everything stock.

NOLAG05
08-07-2012, 02:54 PM
Saw a great well put together 1G in Philly back in June... PTE6262, built block, built auto tranny, on a 200 shot. The 300C he is racing is a 9 second car... Like i always say... money can make anything fast.

http://youtu.be/4ncBYeqGOUA

NOLAG05
08-07-2012, 02:56 PM
sounds like some one is krazy... why rebuild it after it broke to the same broke stuff that just broke...:huh:


but would not 300awhp take more boost, and supporting mods? this kid said the engine was being rebuilt but keeping everything stock.

adamantium
08-07-2012, 03:07 PM
but would not 300awhp take more boost, and supporting mods? this kid said the engine was being rebuilt but keeping everything stock.

Yeah i mean its a given lol supporting mods aren't really considered bolt ons IMO. all 300awhp takes is 16g (stock EVO turbo) or a small 16g, E85 (can be done on pump too) boost controller, exhaust and tune. Is it the first gen or the 2nd gen ones?

Beans
08-07-2012, 03:08 PM
but would not 300awhp take more boost, and supporting mods? this kid said the engine was being rebuilt but keeping everything stock.

Could easily be done on a stock long block, but would require more psi and fueling/tuning mods

adamantium
08-07-2012, 03:17 PM
To add to it i think this is a similar setup just with a stock turbo and upped boost and misc bolt ons. Local guy, again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eutao-Mf1jA&feature=plcp

Stinger22009
08-07-2012, 05:24 PM
That's what I should have responded with.

Just tell him, "While you're building that 1500 hp car, i'll start learning how to drive a jet and then bust your ass with said jet. As long as you're in fantasy land, anything is possible, bro!"

GXPPOWER
08-07-2012, 11:40 PM
LOL ahahaha. well the kid has stopped talking now. after more people joined in on the fun.

the funny part was he kept insisting the G8 is a pos car but yet he paid 700 bucks for his out of a junkyard....do you see now why he makes my head hurt? lol


what was that laser's 60ft and trap speed?

adamantium
08-08-2012, 02:31 AM
LOL ahahaha. well the kid has stopped talking now. after more people joined in on the fun.

the funny part was he kept insisting the G8 is a pos car but yet he paid 700 bucks for his out of a junkyard....do you see now why he makes my head hurt? lol


what was that laser's 60ft and trap speed?

Id have to message him on facebook ill post it if i find out. To be honest the guy sounds like a tard, more than likely he's got a half ass car.

elesexgoat
08-08-2012, 01:06 PM
Two things:

#1 It will probably never run... these idiot mofos never even come up with anything to race with most of the time

or

#2 He will quit jabbing about his POS and start telling you how his friend has this Civic that will destroy you and you have no chance

*The future has been told*

Sweet_SS
08-08-2012, 02:01 PM
Just tell him, "While you're building that 1500 hp car, i'll start learning how to drive a jet and then bust your ass with said jet. As long as you're in fantasy land, anything is possible, bro!"

My buddy got this guy to shut up. If he doesn't have the $$$$ to build a 600hp DSM, how does he expect to build a 1500hp V8? LMAO. I haven't heard from that guy since.

FLASH1970
08-10-2012, 12:00 PM
The bottom end of the older 4g63's have been plagued with crank walk so if he is doing it right, his setup should be more capable.

DSM can be fast as hell ! You can get 300hp+ with bolt-ons and ebay parts.

1G refers to the 1st gen GSX's(90-94). They came with 6bolt engines. The 7 bolt came in the 95-99, which had problems with crankwalk !

90-92.5 DSM's had '6 bolt' engines referring to how many bolts hold the flywheel to the crank. No crankwalk reputation, and a bottom end a few shops have taken to well over 600awhp and low 9's. Very strong in stock form. Then they went to a '7 bolt' setup. 95-96ish had the crankwalk reputation. They also had smaller connecting rods from 92.5 going forward. Still, people have taken them to over 550whp. 98-99 they had a revision on the split thrust bearings like the EVOs have eliminating the crankwalk problem.

To the OP, if he is in fact leaving everything else stock and it's a manual car, it'll have the "14b" turbo stock which maxes out around 32lbs/min. A friend of mine got just over 300awhp on E85 with one. Look for these numbers on the compressor cover. It'll say "TD05" along with any one of these numbers on the compressor cover.

14B
49178-01010
49178-01030
49178-01400
49178-01410

If his car is an auto, it'll have the 13g turbo which is smaller and not going to much much air. It'll say "TD04" or "TD04HL" on the compressor cover.

If he won't pop the hood, just look for a front mount intercooler. Those never came stock on DSM's.

2StepsAhead
08-10-2012, 06:02 PM
Saw a great well put together 1G in Philly back in June... PTE6262, built block, built auto tranny, on a 200 shot. The 300C he is racing is a 9 second car... Like i always say... money can make anything fast.

http://youtu.be/4ncBYeqGOUA

Looks like the cw road.