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LightningTeg
08-07-2012, 07:22 AM
Some good footage of gabes car in Texas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN3hJIhREzs

2SSARME
08-07-2012, 07:29 AM
Oh wow look another 100mph roll car. And yeah I'm sure with all that math factored in and those awesome aerodynamics that car would hit 195 easy peasy.

LightningTeg
08-07-2012, 07:35 AM
oh wow look another 100mph roll car. And yeah i'm sure with all that math factored in and those awesome aerodynamics that car would hit 195 easy peasy.

165...

2SSARME
08-07-2012, 08:09 AM
He said we did the math, in final drive with tires its 195 (jumble jumble jumble)

Sweet_SS
08-07-2012, 08:21 AM
Am I seeing things, or is that motor sitting backwards. I've never seen a setup like that in a Civic. Why did he do it that way?

LightningTeg
08-07-2012, 08:24 AM
He said we did the math, in final drive with tires its 195 (jumble jumble jumble)

Oh. At the top of 6th yeah I believe it...

And thats how K series motors sit. Even in the cars they belong to

2SSARME
08-07-2012, 08:25 AM
Am I seeing things, or is that motor sitting backwards. I've never seen a setup like that in a Civic. Why did he do it that way?

I'm sad I know this.... K series.

2SSARME
08-07-2012, 08:26 AM
Oh. At the top of 6th yeah I believe it...

You're saying that car will hit 195? Well my car hit 184 in 5th on the dyno, and I still had 6th, so I guess I am now a 200mph car also!

AznMuscle
08-07-2012, 08:26 AM
Am I seeing things, or is that motor sitting backwards. I've never seen a setup like that in a Civic. Why did he do it that way?

Video is loading VERY slow for me. Is the exhaust closer to the fire wall vs being up near the bumper? If it is, that is a K series motor. Exhaust near the bumper is how the B and D motors are set up.

LightningTeg
08-07-2012, 08:31 AM
You're saying that car will hit 195? Well my car hit 184 in 5th on the dyno, and I still had 6th, so I guess I am now a 200mph car also!

700whp and 2200lbs, yes I think it could. Its the most unsafe thing I've ever been in though lol

:eek2:

2SSARME
08-07-2012, 08:33 AM
700whp and 2200lbs, yes I think it could. Its the most unsafe thing I've ever been in though lol

:eek2:

Not aerodynamic enough. I would buy you a very expensive german beer if it could.

Reason a 460rwhp z06 can hit 200mph and other higher hp cars can't. That civic would hit a speed and just run into a wall.

LightningTeg
08-07-2012, 08:59 AM
Coefficient of drag for that year civic is .32 according to wikipedia, which is right in line with some fast cars:

0.32 BMW M3 Coupe 2005
0.32 Dodge Avenger 1995
0.32 Ferrari California 2008
0.32 Ford Taurus 1992-1995[36]
0.32 Geo Metro (Sedan) 1995-1997[13]
0.32 Honda Accord (Coupe) 2002
0.32 Honda Civic (Coupe) 1992-1995[13]
0.32 Honda Civic (Hatchback DX) 1996-2000[37]
0.32 Honda Civic (Sedan EX) 1996-2000[38]
0.32 Honda Insight Hybrid [39] 2009-
0.32 Honda NSX 1990
0.32 Jaguar XJ (X350) 2006
0.32 Koenigsegg CCX 2006

Sweet_SS
08-07-2012, 09:16 AM
I'm sad I know this.... K series.

I'm sad I didn't know that

2SSARME
08-07-2012, 09:46 AM
Coefficient of drag for that year civic is .32 according to wikipedia, which is right in line with some fast cars:

0.32 BMW M3 Coupe 2005
0.32 Dodge Avenger 1995
0.32 Ferrari California 2008
0.32 Ford Taurus 1992-1995[36]
0.32 Geo Metro (Sedan) 1995-1997[13]
0.32 Honda Accord (Coupe) 2002
0.32 Honda Civic (Coupe) 1992-1995[13]
0.32 Honda Civic (Hatchback DX) 1996-2000[37]
0.32 Honda Civic (Sedan EX) 1996-2000[38]
0.32 Honda Insight Hybrid [39] 2009-
0.32 Honda NSX 1990
0.32 Jaguar XJ (X350) 2006
0.32 Koenigsegg CCX 2006

Still doubtful as hell it could ever hit that speed.

Like I said, if it does, I owe you a very expensive 12% alc german beer.:cheers:

Imstock2
08-07-2012, 10:00 AM
2ss... Gm m6 transmissions have 2 over drive gears.. 5th and 6th.. Where as imports like Hondas only have one and that be the 6th gear.. The c6z can do 194mph n 5th but in 6th it might be lucky to hit 150mph.

zboy2012
08-07-2012, 10:26 AM
2SS This car can hit 194 I know of the guy he's apart of indy rpm and they have some the fastest honda's out there I'm much on honda cars but this one will haul ass..

Mullettt
08-07-2012, 10:28 AM
Correct me if im wrong but the highest this car put down was 666 and that was coming from the person who tuned it.

LightningTeg
08-07-2012, 10:51 AM
It was retuned recently for more boost (not like I think that turbo has much more in it). But at the time that is correct

WSsick
08-07-2012, 11:22 AM
:lol: Locals were just giving Shane shit for this for losing to that Civic. Thing is fast as shit.




But posting videos that aren't yours just to prove a point = :gay: This isn't a youtube find forum :P :)

LightningTeg
08-07-2012, 11:26 AM
Im not trying to prove anything. Its an LSX forum lol. If I wanted to do that Id go post it on SVTP LOL

Hes just a friend of mine and its a good video with some good races. The RX7 is also a local here; Turbo LS1, made close to 600whp on 12lbs. It gives the civic a very good race nowadays...

SSickLS1SS
08-07-2012, 11:37 AM
not a fan bc in the end your still driving a civic......BUT i have to give credit to something thats built right

clonedws6
08-07-2012, 11:51 AM
The rx7 is a 5.3 not an ls1. And indyrpm having the sickest civics around LOLZ! The one dude I see that always does the filming doesn't even have a car that runs haha.

2SSARME
08-07-2012, 12:05 PM
2ss... Gm m6 transmissions have 2 over drive gears.. 5th and 6th.. Where as imports like Hondas only have one and that be the 6th gear.. The c6z can do 194mph n 5th but in 6th it might be lucky to hit 150mph.

The car moves out I'm not doubting it, and the guy doesn't seem like your typical honda doucher, but I highly doubt it would ever hit 195. I'm sure on a dyno it would but it's another thing when you throw in resistance. That's all I'm saying.:cheers:

ej1overspool
08-07-2012, 12:14 PM
The car moves out I'm not doubting it, and the guy doesn't seem like your typical honda doucher, but I highly doubt it would ever hit 195. I'm sure on a dyno it would but it's another thing when you throw in resistance. That's all I'm saying.:cheers:

If it has the power to push 6th gear through its normal drag limitation, it should be able to. 6th gear is k series true overdrive, big drop from 5th(.92) that barely qualifies as overdrive, to like .7 (traditional od)something...lot of power needed, but is plausible.

2SSARME
08-07-2012, 12:22 PM
Still don't believe it. Tell him to do it and video it and he will have a honda hater fedex him a beer and become a semi believer in his death trap.

LightningTeg
08-07-2012, 12:31 PM
The rx7 is a 5.3 not an ls1. And indyrpm having the sickest civics around LOLZ! The one dude I see that always does the filming doesn't even have a car that runs haha.

Lol Tyler, yeah. That should change soon here I hope.

zboy2012
08-07-2012, 01:26 PM
The rx7 is a 5.3 not an ls1. And indyrpm having the sickest civics around LOLZ! The one dude I see that always does the filming doesn't even have a car that runs haha.

Ok Some of the nicely done civics around here.

WSsick
08-07-2012, 01:37 PM
Im not trying to prove anything. Its an LSX forum lol. If I wanted to do that Id go post it on SVTP LOL

Hes just a friend of mine and its a good video with some good races. The RX7 is also a local here; Turbo LS1, made close to 600whp on 12lbs. It gives the civic a very good race nowadays...

I know, just givin ya some friendly shit. :)

clonedws6
08-07-2012, 01:41 PM
Yeah we will see.

NOLAG05
08-07-2012, 02:22 PM
Wow... so many Honda's in the same class as a CCX!! Its hard believe that this http://media.motortopia.com/files/662/vehicles/44b502f6a9080/DSC00814.jpg

is equal to this...


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_QrJgy6QEth8/SrcCRh9-WeI/AAAAAAAAGUQ/J-9VoHZqz3k/s400/Mega-Wall_Koenigsegg_CCX+%2828%29.jpg

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs11/f/2006/188/b/b/CCX.jpg

Jus givin ya some shyt Teg...lol



Coefficient of drag for that year civic is .32 according to wikipedia, which is right in line with some fast cars:

0.32 BMW M3 Coupe 2005
0.32 Dodge Avenger 1995
0.32 Ferrari California 2008
0.32 Ford Taurus 1992-1995[36]
0.32 Geo Metro (Sedan) 1995-1997[13]
0.32 Honda Accord (Coupe) 2002
0.32 Honda Civic (Coupe) 1992-1995[13]
0.32 Honda Civic (Hatchback DX) 1996-2000[37]
0.32 Honda Civic (Sedan EX) 1996-2000[38]
0.32 Honda Insight Hybrid [39] 2009-
0.32 Honda NSX 1990
0.32 Jaguar XJ (X350) 2006
0.32 Koenigsegg CCX 2006

Mullettt
08-07-2012, 03:47 PM
The rx7 is a 5.3 not an ls1. And indyrpm having the sickest civics around LOLZ! The one dude I see that always does the filming doesn't even have a car that runs haha.

Indy rpm is a joke....

adamantium
08-07-2012, 03:58 PM
not a fan bc in the end your still driving a civic......BUT i have to give credit to something thats built right

At the end of the day we are all driving f-bodys not much different. Oh wait nvm f-bodys have volume and cd track skip buttons on the steering wheel, now thats some fancy stuff! lolll


This car is awesome, i love how he kept the 6 speed in there.

LightningTeg
08-07-2012, 04:11 PM
What else would he put in there lol

adamantium
08-07-2012, 04:13 PM
What else would he put in there lol

base Rsx or ep3 (5 spd) trans like my buddy has.

1_MEANZ28
08-08-2012, 02:08 AM
At the end of the day we are all driving f-bodys not much different. Oh wait nvm f-bodys have volume and cd track skip buttons on the steering wheel, now thats some fancy stuff! lolll


This car is awesome, i love how he kept the 6 speed in there.
plz dont ever compare a fbody to a civic...just cause ur fbody is fugly means u can say that.....lol

adamantium
08-08-2012, 02:30 AM
plz dont ever compare a fbody to a civic...just cause ur fbody is fugly means u can say that.....lol

Apparently stock f-bodys are ugly, great point.

dsmfan95
08-08-2012, 07:09 AM
plz dont ever compare a fbody to a civic...

Agreed, that would be an insult to Civics.

Sweet_SS
08-08-2012, 07:30 AM
Maybe I should buy one of these. At least I would look cool like Uncle Ben's rice when an F-body whoops my ass. Honduh's are onto something here.

http://i47.tinypic.com/15861b6.jpg

Tracked350Z
08-08-2012, 09:17 AM
I'd much rather be seen as a snobby, ignorant, douche in my M3 than drive that.

NOLAG05
08-08-2012, 09:47 AM
I have seen some pretty ricey cars on both sides...lol.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/attachments/appearance-detailing/94919d1178339602-talking-about-riced-out-hahaha-rice-1.jpg

http://ls1tech.com/forums/attachments/appearance-detailing/94920d1178339642-talking-about-riced-out-hahaha-rice-2.jpg

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/977/3481/2441740076_large.jpg

clonedws6
08-08-2012, 09:58 AM
Indy rpm is a joke....

Cant tell if serious :/ lol

Mullettt
08-08-2012, 10:40 AM
Cant tell if serious :/ lol

Lol yes im serious

clonedws6
08-08-2012, 10:47 AM
Lol hard to tell on the Internetz

roy
08-08-2012, 11:11 AM
This car would be a good race for that Honda.
http://youtu.be/5QqRUR0W5lk

2SSARME
08-08-2012, 12:27 PM
I have always wondered why do people spend money and mod such gay cars.....

AND WHY IS MY SIG CENSORED. THIS IS BULLSHIT.

1_MEANZ28
08-08-2012, 12:50 PM
Apparently stock f-bodys are ugly, great point.
urs looks like a v6...

1_MEANZ28
08-08-2012, 12:51 PM
Agreed, that would be an insult to Civics.
oh wait just noticed u drive a p.o.s

1_MEANZ28
08-08-2012, 12:52 PM
I have always wondered why do people spend money and mod such gay cars.....

AND WHY IS MY SIG CENSORED. THIS IS BULLSHIT.
lol...probly cant afford real sports car

dsmfan95
08-08-2012, 07:01 PM
oh wait just noticed u drive a p.o.s

My Trailblazer is not a POS. It serves it's purpose very well!

Sweet_SS
08-08-2012, 07:45 PM
My Trailblazer is not a POS. It serves it's purpose very well!

Serves it's purpose to tow your busted down Evo and Shitvic. But hey, at least your driving a chevy, but talking crap on F-bodies (chevy), now I'm confused :huh:

dsmfan95
08-08-2012, 09:28 PM
Serves it's purpose to tow your busted down Evo and Shitvic. But hey, at least your driving a chevy, but talking crap on F-bodies (chevy), now I'm confused :huh:

You're confused? Hell I'm confused. My Evo is busted down... but your doesn't even run and you're trying to sell it. :huh:

adamantium
08-09-2012, 01:00 AM
urs looks like a v6...

Okay? lol i saw 2 T/As before my car and said no thanks, not my cup of tea. Not a fan of the styling other than the hood.

Just realized you drive a z28 your car is a badge away from being mistaken for a v6. Great point.

1_MEANZ28
08-09-2012, 03:23 AM
Okay? lol i saw 2 T/As before my car and said no thanks, not my cup of tea. Not a fan of the styling other than the hood.

Just realized you drive a z28 your car is a badge away from being mistaken for a v6. Great point.
packing the ss hood brothaa..and ram air on 383

Sweet_SS
08-09-2012, 09:30 AM
You're confused? Hell I'm confused. My Evo is busted down... but your doesn't even run and you're trying to sell it. :huh:

Who said it never ran...doesn't run :rolleyes: Now Im really confused. Well give that Evo time, because when the dust settles they are the exact same in every way a DSM is.

ej1overspool
08-09-2012, 09:43 AM
packing the ss hood brothaa..and ram air on 383

They all look the same to me LOL but I R rice

dsmfan95
08-09-2012, 10:27 AM
Who said it never ran...doesn't run :rolleyes:

My mistake.

Currently the car is being finished up

Engine: 0 miles.

LightningTeg
08-09-2012, 11:15 AM
lol...probly cant afford real sports car

Coming from the guy who takes pride in "killing hondas" lol. What kind of an accomplishment is that?

ej1overspool
08-09-2012, 11:59 AM
Coming from the guy who takes pride in "killing hondas" lol. What kind of an accomplishment is that?

If you beat a Honda It's a big accomplishment, if your beaten by a Honda...wel...its still just a honda LOL funny how it works.

2SSARME
08-09-2012, 01:11 PM
Bet you my 112rwhp 5th gen will smoke your 17 second honda.

adamantium
08-09-2012, 01:13 PM
packing the ss hood brothaa..and ram air on 383

lol woah watch out guys thats not a v6 its got a hood scoop. I want a raptor hood.

ej1overspool
08-09-2012, 01:23 PM
Bet you my 112rwhp 5th gen will smoke your 17 second honda.

Pfft get off my underglowing nuts B

Cwarta
08-09-2012, 01:40 PM
Ok i guess i have to explain this since Mach 1 guys are absent. Ill do my Best.

Shane lost becausebad driver
Rx7 lost becuase of impropper build
Bike lost becuase its not a Mach 1.
Supra lost becuase its full weight.

There i tried, hopefully its up to Automach's standards......

2SSARME
08-09-2012, 01:44 PM
Pfft get off my underglowing nuts B

I love shoving nuts in your face though. They a lil sweaty and need some cleaning. You free tonight?

Theblacknightls1
08-09-2012, 01:49 PM
2ss when you taking your car to the track I see you finally got tires for it.

2SSARME
08-09-2012, 02:26 PM
When someone finally makes a track in my country.

Beave
08-09-2012, 02:38 PM
Lol, i love how much drama gets started everytime a vid of that civic from tx2k gets posted. I miss the days of beating up on all kinds of cars in my civic, they are alot of fun when you start making alot of power. The only thing i didnt like was right after tx2k they posted vids of that car "beating" a 1200whp supra (thats been 8's@160+) that i know was on low boost and ab 600whp when they ran and they posted it up as 700whp civic beats 1200whp supra. But, the civic is still a pretty fast street car at the end of the day though.

Theblacknightls1
08-09-2012, 02:47 PM
When someone finally makes a track in my country.

:huh:

ej1overspool
08-09-2012, 02:47 PM
I love shoving nuts in your face though. They a lil sweaty and need some cleaning. You free tonight?

I'm never free, I charge top dollar.

Sweet_SS
08-09-2012, 02:58 PM
My mistake.

Don't beat yourself up about it. Not everyone knows what they are talking about lol :engarde:

But "0" miles is what happens when you have to wait for dyno time

Sweet_SS
08-09-2012, 03:00 PM
:huh:

2SSARME Location: SOMALIA...you must have missed it :secret: I could be mistaken though, but that's rare ;)

adamantium
08-09-2012, 03:08 PM
Lol, i love how much drama gets started everytime a vid of that civic from tx2k gets posted. I miss the days of beating up on all kinds of cars in my civic, they are alot of fun when you start making alot of power. The only thing i didnt like was right after tx2k they posted vids of that car "beating" a 1200whp supra (thats been 8's@160+) that i know was on low boost and ab 600whp when they ran and they posted it up as 700whp civic beats 1200whp supra. But, the civic is still a pretty fast street car at the end of the day though.

I agree ive noticed the people who CAN relate are the ones who have owned fast civics. Your numbers in your sig seem pretty strong. Its just most people are in denial that these cars can be a threat.

Cwarta
08-09-2012, 03:54 PM
IMO no one is denying that they can be fast. I guess its just that when they are fast, they cant hook and can only race stupid high roll races. I would probly decimate that civic posted from a dig on the street IMO of course. But, at the end of the day they are fast ONLY because they are light. if you swapped motors in my gto with that civic, the GTO would be a giant turd and the civic would be fast as hell. All of this is imo. I prefer the deep, throaty sound of a V8, enjoy my nice interior in my heavier car, and enjoy my DD ability if i want it. Not trying to start shit, just conveying my side.

1_MEANZ28
08-09-2012, 04:31 PM
Coming from the guy who takes pride in "killing hondas" lol. What kind of an accomplishment is that?
the HONDA KILLER goes for guys like you..

1_MEANZ28
08-09-2012, 04:35 PM
lol woah watch out guys thats not a v6 its got a hood scoop. I want a raptor hood.

if you like to :swing: hondas why dont you sell ur v6 bird and get a :gay: honda

adamantium
08-09-2012, 05:06 PM
IMO no one is denying that they can be fast. I guess its just that when they are fast, they cant hook and can only race stupid high roll races. I would probly decimate that civic posted from a dig on the street IMO of course. But, at the end of the day they are fast ONLY because they are light. if you swapped motors in my gto with that civic, the GTO would be a giant turd and the civic would be fast as hell. All of this is imo. I prefer the deep, throaty sound of a V8, enjoy my nice interior in my heavier car, and enjoy my DD ability if i want it. Not trying to start shit, just conveying my side.


450 in a civic is fast as hell, 10 sec car all day. Thats the thing i like about them with 3xxwhp you are a pretty fast, and just like everyone on this site they under estimate them, which is makes things more fun.

I agree MOST of them aren't setup to dig or hook on the street.

Down here there was some d00d who would dig his 6xxwhp civic all day with GTR's, DSMs, muscle cars, anything. With no anti lag, or boost by gear, nothing. Just had his car properly setup.

This is the car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u2skMXBxLQ


My friends accord actually raced a 5th gen with a procharger that was making "5's" from what the owner said, from a 40 roll we were door to door. the accord made mid 3's. Its mentally annoying to have a 5xxwhp and be door to door with a 3xxwhp import. That's the funnest part about it.

I just like all motor cars, a civic takes ALOT to make impressively fast on motor. More than with a turbo.

if you like to :swing: hondas why dont you sell ur v6 bird and get a :gay: honda

I would in a heart beat but thieves :(

brb adding hood scoop so i can be accepted as a v8 looking car, great logic.

lol if my dumped ORY doesn't give away that its an LSx car then you should get your ears checked bro.

2SSARME
08-09-2012, 05:22 PM
People seem to forget that civics that are fast are usually pushing their motors to the limit. Having to run at 99%, while v8s have huge room to expand. Last I checked a 700rwhp V8 is much more reliable than a 700fwhp civic. Correct me if I am wrong?

I doubt a 3xx accord would stick with a 5xx 5th. I say this because last week I decimated a gutted integra type r making 380-410whp in my 6xx 5th gen. I was only boosting 5-6 meaning I was probably only around 550-590rwhp range.

Weight goes a long way but people seem to forget big torque and hp, and the v8s ability to torque monster it up from 2k is what makes them extremely quick for their weight. Of course, if you compare a 7xx fwhp civic @2800lbs to a 7xx v8 @3800lbs, the civic is obviously going to win. But I bet that v8 could get to 8-9xx easily with said setup, while the civic is already hitting the max it can do. Now race a 9xx v8 vs a 7xx gutted civic.

Of course this is all fairy land ricer math shit, but you get my point.

adamantium
08-09-2012, 05:40 PM
People seem to forget that civics that are fast are usually pushing their motors to the limit. Having to run at 99%, while v8s have huge room to expand. Last I checked a 700rwhp V8 is much more reliable than a 700fwhp civic. Correct me if I am wrong?

I doubt a 3xx accord would stick with a 5xx 5th. I say this because last week I decimated a gutted integra type r making 380-410whp in my 6xx 5th gen. I was only boosting 5-6 meaning I was probably only around 550-590rwhp range.

Weight goes a long way but people seem to forget big torque and hp, and the v8s ability to torque monster it up from 2k is what makes them extremely quick for their weight. Of course, if you compare a 7xx fwhp civic @2800lbs to a 7xx v8 @3800lbs, the civic is obviously going to win. But I bet that v8 could get to 8-9xx easily with said setup, while the civic is already hitting the max it can do. Now race a 9xx v8 vs a 7xx gutted civic.

Of course this is all fairy land ricer math shit, but you get my point.

It all depends on the setup, thats a retarded argument.

My buddies mid 7xx whp civic has been in a shit ton of runs with bikes, gtrs, domestics, other imports, everything in the time its been out and its limit on stock sleeves are mid to high 8s. That motor can last a VERY long time at that power, unless he gets a bad batch of e85 or it spontaneously detonates for some random reason i don't see anything happening to it. That motor at that power level is solid.


Ill get vids tonight of the 5th gen vs the accord BTW, we were in 3rd gear at 40 (supposed to be in 2nd) Because in 2nd gear it would just spin and cause us to lose, but we were door to door with him till 5th gear and then we let off we were 120-140ish by then. The accord is full interior, power everything with power steering and sunroof.

As for the 2k power band tell us at one point in time when you started a race at 2k rpms? That arguement is moot.

2SSARME
08-09-2012, 05:43 PM
It all depends on the setup, thats a retarded argument.

My buddies mid 7xx whp civic has been in a shit ton of runs with bikes, gtrs, domestics, other imports, everything in the time its been out and its limit on stock sleeves are mid to high 8s. That motor can last a VERY long time at that power, unless he gets a bad batch of e85 or it spontaneously detonates for some random reason i don't see anything happening to it. That motor at that power level is solid.


Ill get vids tonight of the 5th gen vs the accord BTW, we were in 3rd gear at 40 (supposed to be in 2nd) Because in 2nd gear it would just spin and cause us to lose, but we were door to door with him till 5th gear and then we let off we were 120-140ish by then. The accord is full interior, power everything with power steering and sunroof.

As for the 2k power band tell us at one point in time when you started a race at 2k rpms? That arguement is moot.

Maybe I just haven't seen properly built hondas then. Down here anyone pushing any significant power (anywhere over 3xx fwhp) goes boom very quick.

5th gen owner probably had no idea of his power level. Then again, prochargers are fucking gay for anything except the track.

Lots of us like to dig race ;). You know, you hit 2k rpm before 5k, so it's nice to get into full torque at once if you can plant it to the ground. I bet I would smoke a 7xx fwhp from a dig. Sure he'll pass me sitting still once speeds increase but not many people fly up to 150-160mph.

adamantium
08-09-2012, 06:04 PM
Maybe I just haven't seen properly built hondas then. Down here anyone pushing any significant power (anywhere over 3xx fwhp) goes boom very quick.

5th gen owner probably had no idea of his power level. Then again, prochargers are fucking gay for anything except the track.

Lots of us like to dig race ;). You know, you hit 2k rpm before 5k, so it's nice to get into full torque at once if you can plant it to the ground. I bet I would smoke a 7xx fwhp from a dig. Sure he'll pass me sitting still once speeds increase but not many people fly up to 150-160mph.

lol since when do people launch there cars at the track on tires at 2k? lol. Still a shitty argument, even then between shifts your car wont go as low as 2k anyways so? The only plus to having power at 2k is for cruising.


5th gen owner was a tool, he had some LED night rider themed lights under his hood scoop and he was chillen with some turd foxbody owners. So we asked him to run since we though the LEDs were hilarious. But he told us his mods and how much power he made and we said fuck it, lets just see how we do.


Oh btw owner of the accord is a big Chevy fan, has had an el camino with a SBC 350 with H/C and carb, swapped that out for an LTx and he had regal too, he says he will always love the sound of an LSx over anything.

He was close minded like all of you guys till my buddy got his turbo E85 b16 running he shut up after he basically saw what the civic could do with the power it had. We talked him into trading his daily for the accord at the time. He loves both the accord and the el camino he had though.

Sweet_SS
08-09-2012, 06:49 PM
It all depends on the setup, thats a retarded argument.

My buddies mid 7xx whp civic has been in a shit ton of runs with bikes, gtrs, domestics, other imports, everything in the time its been out and its limit on stock sleeves are mid to high 8s. That motor can last a VERY long time at that power, unless he gets a bad batch of e85 or it spontaneously detonates for some random reason i don't see anything happening to it. That motor at that power level is solid.


Ill get vids tonight of the 5th gen vs the accord BTW, we were in 3rd gear at 40 (supposed to be in 2nd) Because in 2nd gear it would just spin and cause us to lose, but we were door to door with him till 5th gear and then we let off we were 120-140ish by then. The accord is full interior, power everything with power steering and sunroof.

As for the 2k power band tell us at one point in time when you started a race at 2k rpms? That arguement is moot.

Just my .2 cents here, but going from my 700AWHp 112 leaded octane fuel to my Boosted camaro on pump gas (91 octane) is alot more reliable. But then again, were talking about a DSM. I think 2SSARME is stating that 700hp V8 can be ran on pump gas with very little boost, where as an civic is over 25psi with e85 and a huge fuel system. There's plenty of V8 guys making over 650...700 locally on stockish 5th Gen Maro's on 12 psi and pump gas with no meth. Good luck trying that on a DSM or Honda. I ran my buddies manual awd 91 Eclipse on 35psi...GT4202 while at 8psi on my TC78 and stock LS1 (A4) and took him. He's fully forged bottom end with built head and stage 4 shep trans. The best part was, I filled the car up at the nearest Chevron :) Again, just my .2 cents.

adamantium
08-09-2012, 07:01 PM
Just my .2 cents here, but going from my 700AWHp 112 leaded octane fuel to my Boosted camaro on pump gas (91 octane) is alot more reliable. But then again, were talking about a DSM. I think 2SSARME is stating that 700hp V8 can be ran on pump gas with very little boost, where as an civic is over 25psi with e85 and a huge fuel system. There's plenty of V8 guys making over 650...700 locally on stockish 5th Gen Maro's on 12 psi and pump gas with no meth. Good luck trying that on a DSM or Honda. I ran my buddies manual awd 91 Eclipse on 35psi...GT4202 while at 8psi on my TC78 and stock LS1 (A4) and took him. He's fully forged bottom end with built head and stage 4 shep trans. The best part was, I filled the car up at the nearest Chevron :) Again, just my .2 cents.

So because it makes 700whp on pump it makes it more reliable then a 700whpp on E85? MY friends civic is running -8 lines with dual intank pumps, big injectors. ANY car that wants to make power needs a supporting fuel system. Thats cool we fill up our E85 cars at gas stations too, oh and down here there are more than plenty to choose from. I got 3 with in a 10 minute driving radius ;) Infact i got one down the road from my house. Its all preference, fast is fast.

ej1overspool
08-09-2012, 07:19 PM
Mmm without me in it my civics weight is 2260...weeell over 500fwhp before nitrous...power to weight is everything...the same whp in a 3260 will be slower, 4260 and so on...saying that something is only fast because its light is kind of...pointless, that applies to everyone.

Sweet_SS
08-09-2012, 08:53 PM
So because it makes 700whp on pump it makes it more reliable then a 700whpp on E85? MY friends civic is running -8 lines with dual intank pumps, big injectors. ANY car that wants to make power needs a supporting fuel system. Thats cool we fill up our E85 cars at gas stations too, oh and down here there are more than plenty to choose from. I got 3 with in a 10 minute driving radius ;) Infact i got one down the road from my house. Its all preference, fast is fast.


25psi + to make 700 on a honda v. 8-12 psi on a V8...ummm how is this not more reliable? How hard is that motor being pushed? Oh, you missed what I was saying about not having to run e85 or race gas to make that power either. Like you said, hope your buddy get's a perfect mix of that gas. I've been into imports for over 10 years, your not going to convince me that a high horsepower 4 cyl doesn't require more up keep...maintenance than a V8 making the same power with less boost on pump.

adamantium
08-09-2012, 09:08 PM
25psi + to make 700 on a honda v. 8-12 psi on a V8...ummm how is this not more reliable? How hard is that motor being pushed? Oh, you missed what I was saying about not having to run e85 or race gas to make that power either. Like you said, hope your buddy get's a perfect mix of that gas. I've been into imports for over 10 years, your not going to convince me that a high horsepower 4 cyl doesn't require more up keep...maintenance than a V8 making the same power with less boost on pump.

Man. PSI is irrelevant, PSI doesn't kill motors the power output does. He's 100+ whp below the stock sleeve limit.

E85 mix doesn't change in FL. Sorry to disappoint.

Oh so how about you enlighten me what sort of special maintenance does my buddy's honda need, since apparently you know. :eyes:

Pretty weird, last i knew these stock 5.3l motors need more than 9-10psi to make 700whp. Denmah on here is using a massive borg warner and 22psi and nitrous to make 640ish through an auto. My friends making 747whp at 30psi, stock liter, std bore, stock sleeve engine.


So does that mean that denmah's car is all the sudden not reliable and needs "maintenance" that its seeing 22psi? or no it only apply's to hondas? lollllllll

adamantium
08-09-2012, 09:25 PM
Maybe I just haven't seen properly built hondas then. Down here anyone pushing any significant power (anywhere over 3xx fwhp) goes boom very quick.

5th gen owner probably had no idea of his power level. Then again, prochargers are fucking gay for anything except the track.

Lots of us like to dig race ;). You know, you hit 2k rpm before 5k, so it's nice to get into full torque at once if you can plant it to the ground. I bet I would smoke a 7xx fwhp from a dig. Sure he'll pass me sitting still once speeds increase but not many people fly up to 150-160mph.

My bad it was a 60 roll in 4th that we did (this run was like 6-7 months ago). Heres the run we stopped in 5th gear. The run before we did the 40 and we spun and were half a car behind him. I was pass in accord (200lbs), 5th gen was riding solo.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXxC0oeOrmo


As you could see as soon as he would creep back and we would stop his pull every time we would wind out the gear. This is before the car got a proper tune it made 340 on this tune. It now makes 398 maxing out the 255 on 10psi, the torque and power band got broad as shit after the new tune on the same psi too.

bh353
08-09-2012, 09:29 PM
Man. PSI is irrelevant, PSI doesn't kill motors the power output does. He's 100+ whp below the stock sleeve limit.

E85 mix doesn't change in FL. Sorry to disappoint.

Oh so how about you enlighten me what sort of special maintenance does my buddy's honda need, since apparently you know. :eyes:

Pretty weird, last i knew these stock 5.3l motors need more than 9-10psi to make 700whp. Denmah on here is using a massive borg warner and 22psi and nitrous to make 640ish through an auto. My friends making 747whp at 30psi, stock liter, std bore, stock sleeve engine.


So does that mean that denmah's car is all the sudden not reliable and needs "maintenance" that its seeing 22psi? or no it only apply's to hondas? lollllllll
What the hell are you talking about?...The more psi that you run causes more heat thats why you have to run higher octaine fuel to stop detination....lol..so higher compression dosen't cause stress on pistons,heads or rods? hahaha

adamantium
08-09-2012, 09:35 PM
What the hell are you talking about?...The more psi that you run causes more heat thats why you have to run higher octaine fuel to stop detination....lol..so higher compression dosen't cause stress on pistons,heads or rods? hahaha

Okay. Then how do you explain stock evo motors running 30psi in completely stock form? the higher heat isn't only what causes detonation, lack of fuel or to much spark does, or very high IAT (E85 helps alot) Another d00d i know had a stock sleeve LSVTEC on 12.5:1 compression pistons on 12psi, if cylinder pressure would destroy the head (LOL) rods and pistons then this shit woulda been dead a long time ago. Here's some pics.


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7003/6753753899_8a774553e6_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7172/6753753861_0624725e2a_b.jpg

Just because you have turbos spining alot of PSI and heating up the IAT's doesn't mean for sure it'll explode. Their is E85, race gas, meth for this. IAT's rise after every race anyways, running a high HP motor over and over on pump 91 or 93 (pushing its limits) while the IATs rise is just as risky if we are talking in terms of heat causing detonation.

bh353
08-09-2012, 09:51 PM
Okay. Then how do you explain stock evo motors running 30psi in completely stock form? the higher heat isn't only what causes detonation, lack of fuel or to much spark does, or very high IAT (E85 helps alot) Another d00d i know had a stock sleeve LSVTEC on 12.5:1 compression pistons on 12psi, if cylinder pressure would destroy the head (LOL) rods and pistons then this shit woulda been dead a long time ago. Here's some pics.


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7003/6753753899_8a774553e6_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7172/6753753861_0624725e2a_b.jpg

Just because you have turbos spining alot of PSI and heating up the IAT's doesn't mean for sure it'll explode. Their is E85, race gas, meth for this. IAT's rise after every race anyways, running a high HP motor over and over on pump 91 is just as risky if we are talking in terms of heat causing detonation.

Do you even understand what e85 is? E85 is a poor mans race fuel..the power output between the two aren't even comparable..You will consume twice as much of e85 compared to race fuel just to make the horsepower..Heat is the biggest killer of an engine and the higher the compression the more heat it will produce..

bh353
08-09-2012, 09:56 PM
Too much spark?lol maybe to much advance,but not too much spark.

adamantium
08-09-2012, 09:57 PM
Do you even understand what e85 is? E85 is a poor mans race fuel..the power output between the two aren't even comparable..You will consume twice as much of e85 compared to race fuel just to make the horsepower..Heat is the biggest killer of an engine and the higher the compression the more heat it will produce..

Do YOU know what E85 is? Lol do you even know what E85 does to your intake charge?

Seriously if you want to say a motor on 91 or 93 is more reliable to an engine on e85 you are seriously delusional.

Too much spark?lol maybe to much advance,but not too much spark.

Yeah that was a brain fart, was thinking actual timing advance, not spark.

bh353
08-09-2012, 09:58 PM
Okay. Then how do you explain stock evo motors running 30psi in completely stock form? the higher heat isn't only what causes detonation, lack of fuel or to much spark does, or very high IAT (E85 helps alot) Another d00d i know had a stock sleeve LSVTEC on 12.5:1 compression pistons on 12psi, if cylinder pressure would destroy the head (LOL) rods and pistons then this shit woulda been dead a long time ago. Here's some pics.


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7003/6753753899_8a774553e6_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7172/6753753861_0624725e2a_b.jpg

Just because you have turbos spining alot of PSI and heating up the IAT's doesn't mean for sure it'll explode. Their is E85, race gas, meth for this. IAT's rise after every race anyways, running a high HP motor over and over on pump 91 or 93 (pushing its limits) while the IATs rise is just as risky if we are talking in terms of heat causing detonation.
Those pistons don't look stock to me...are they forged?

adamantium
08-09-2012, 10:04 PM
Those pistons don't look stock to me...are they forged?

Yeah there wiseco 12.5's. On honda's you don't raise compression enough by just milling the head, the easier way is to add dome to the piston. My buddy ordered the wrong pistons and said fuck it and ran em. The car still detonated pretty bad in cyl 1 (usually leanest cyl in civics) but never fucked up the stock sleeve, or cracked a ringland or nothing (surprisingly). This was on only 12psi too.

bh353
08-09-2012, 10:04 PM
Do YOU know what E85 is? Lol do you even know what E85 does to your intake charge?

Seriously if you want to say a motor on 91 or 93 is more reliable to an engine on e85 you are seriously delusional.



Yeah that was a brain fart, was thinking actual timing advance, not spark.

Yes i know what it does on the intake charge...it's a cooler charge,but it dosen't make the power that race fuel does...Bottom line you will spend more money per tank of fuel with E85 than you would with 110 octane race fuel...

ej1overspool
08-09-2012, 10:10 PM
Rediculous compression under boost =0

adamantium
08-09-2012, 10:11 PM
Yes i know what it does on the intake charge...it's a cooler charge,but it dosen't make the power that race fuel does...Bottom line you will spend more money per tank of fuel with E85 than you would with 110 octane race fuel...

E85 is oxygenated like race gas, it makes good power over 93, it drastically lowers IATs it has alot of pluses over 93. E85 is also 1/4th the price of race gas.

Which is why i wouldn't waste my time with 93 alone, id atleast run meth with it.


Not sure what this has to do with the original discussion but okay.

Rediculous compression under boost =0

lol yep ive seen some crazy shit. Motor saw hell.

I forgot what happened one time while he was street tuning and eating shit he misshifted or downshifted from 3rd to 2nd and decimated a sparkplug. lol rod stretched and the pistons had contact with a spark plug. Nothing happened through a spark plug back in her and gave it hell.

Heres cyl 1.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7011/6758964731_b9b330c2a0_z.jpg

He pulled em just cause he wanted to safely make over 4xx on the stock sleeves. Not because of failure, he sold em and that guy is using them now in his turbo integra lol.

LightningTeg
08-09-2012, 10:40 PM
This thread went lol. But your stupid trying to argue that a 4 cylinder making alot of power is as reliable or nearly as reliable as a V8.

It's been fun and quite cheap making my Hondas go fast, but at the end of the day I'll probably keep one of them to track and get a V8 to drag race.

adamantium
08-09-2012, 10:46 PM
This thread went lol. But your stupid trying to argue that a 4 cylinder making alot of power is as reliable or nearly as reliable as a V8.

It's been fun and quite cheap making my Hondas go fast, but at the end of the day I'll probably keep one of them to track and get a V8 to drag race.

Obviously an engine 100whp away from its limits is closer to failure than an engine rated to make 1000whp+. Being a v8 doesn't change that. that's like saying my friends setup at 400, it'll last a VERY long time. It all depends on the setup which is what i said early on in the discussion. The whole discussion is moot and pretty stupid to begin with.

2SSARME
08-10-2012, 01:35 AM
So according to Adaman, running higher boost doesn't stress motors now. lol. Damn brb going to put 35psi through my v8.

adamantium
08-10-2012, 02:57 AM
So according to Adaman, running higher boost doesn't stress motors now. lol. Damn brb going to put 35psi through my v8.

lol learn how to read brah. Being that your a manlet id expect your mind to be normal people size, unlike your body. Nom saiyan?

JL ws-6
08-10-2012, 07:10 AM
Another one bites the dust.