Street Racing & Kill Stories - Can only gto vs Cammed sprayed Mach 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKS3GOENs6o

He's bolt ons geared cammed and 75 shot.

I'm basic exhaust and cam and gears.

Didn't get another run :( I'm pretty happy with how it turned out.

good kill!

Let the shit storm begin!

Looked like the Mach missed a gear or let out. Was a good run till that.

^That's what it looked like to me too.

Good race!

Yeah there was a bike in his lane. He let up. Was def a good run!

Looked like the Mach missed a gear or let out. Was a good run till that.

This!

Why didn't you guys do another run?


All the Mach 1 jokes are getting old though really, more so annoying to be honest.

That was a really good run though!

I kinda lost sight of him and I think he lost interest after that pull.

Aww man, that would have been a good run of he didn't have to let out.. I would have deff ran with u again. Don't know why he didnt

Can only? lol nice.

Yeah it was a close one!

So what kind of a can was that on the GTO? A 300hp honda coffee can maybe? :D hahaha

Don't know if I'd call that a kill as it looked like a tie, but good running GTO for sure.

Was even better in person! lol Had a blast out doing some stracing last night with ya Trav.

How much spray on the Mach?

75 shot. Yeah def Kory. My car is going to be retuned tonight. We should 40 next week!

Is that GTO an LS1 or LS2?

is that gto an ls1 or ls2?

ls1 !

Correct

Clints car is unimpressive for whats done to it. I thought it was a stronger car when I first saw it.

Thanks :(

Thanks :(

At least N/A lol.

Haha. It happens

ls1 !

Damn that's impressive. :nod:

Good run. Looks like it would have been very close if y'all would have kept going.

Thanks guys and i think it would have been really close.

pretty impressive run.. a mach with some nitrous is no slouch. Good run

Yeah I figured I'd get Molly whopped.

Yeah I figured I'd get Molly whopped.

what bolt ons did it have?

Pretty much everything is what he said

Pretty much everything is what he said

thing should be in the 400whp range.. probably should have drug u down the road.. so again, good run

Think it was 390/380 something like that

OP..nice run. Would have liked to see a little more. Too bad he let out.
Cammed LSx motor sure do run hard though especially up top...I would have loved to have seen the result..:cheers: I think the GTO might have taken it though..

OP..nice run. Would have liked to see a little more. Too bad he let out.
Cammed LSx motor sure do run hard though especially up top...I would have loved to have seen the result..:cheers: I think the GTO might have taken it though..

Id have to disagree. I think the Mach was starting to creep ahead right as he let out. Either way it was a good ass race!! :cheers:

Yeah I think I would have pulled he started to creep cuz I was grabbing 4th my slowest shift.

Think it was 390/380 something like that

Those are the Mach's numbers with a 75 shot, cams and full bolt-ons? He should be way higher than that with any kind of aftermarket cam + nitrous. Without the cams I would think that would be about right on nitrous.

It looks like it was a good run.

Good run look like mach was about to pull. Would like to see a longer race.

Possibly!

good kill

There was an earthquake today in Iran because of this video.

RIP 250 deaths due to this mach 1.

Curious to see what the outcome would've been. Nice pull though.

Lol 2ss hahahahahahahah

So what exactly is a "Can only".
Catch a can??? Lol

Yes yes. Big ol fashioned American can lol. Damn iPhone

nice run,40 roll?

Good race Op! I cant read your sig on my phone. What all is done to your car? Were both lowly little Ls1's :) I have had my ported/5 angle valve job/decked 243's on for about a month. The heads made a massive difference in my car. But, i was cam only before with a rather large cam. So i think the stock heads were really holding me back. What are your cam specs if you dont mind me asking? Good runs, would love to have seen the outcome!

Yeah we will probably rematch when i get my retune done. I wish I had some 243s. My cam is a 236/248 .617 x2 on a 110

And for mods I have full exhaust and cam lol

Those are the Mach's numbers with a 75 shot, cams and full bolt-ons? He should be way higher than that with any kind of aftermarket cam + nitrous. Without the cams I would think that would be about right on nitrous.

It looks like it was a good run.

Cams won't gain much without dished pistons and a motor overhaul, the piston to valve clearance is to tight to put anything aggressive in.

Op looks like you both have strong cars, when's round 2 lol

Good run. Mach wasn't pulling on you, and he wasn't going to be able to spray much longer anyway. Good thing the bike got in his lane so it at least ended while you were still even. A few more seconds and you would have pulled.

Thats how I feel beast.

Cams won't gain much without dished pistons and a motor overhaul, the piston to valve clearance is to tight to put anything aggressive in.

Op looks like you both have strong cars, when's round 2 lol

I guess 40+ to the wheels aint much

Automach - I'm not going to hijack this thread by arguing with you about hp per mod and which are cost effdctive because we all know in your world your bolt ons gained more power machs run 10s and you can get parts cheaper and install them better, truth is you never turned a wrench in your life and wouldn't know how to read a lambda fuel graph. You are why everyone thinks mustang owners are assholes and give the car a bad name. Why don't you pack your shit tuck your tail and keep your mouth shut before you look like a bigger tool than you already are. And if I made you cry, I'm sure Dr. Phil has a self help program you can enroll in.

I'm done.

75 shot. Yeah def Kory. My car is going to be retuned tonight. We should 40 next week!

Can we do like an 80 or something? I wanna stay away from banging 4th so my stock clutch doesn't grenade lollllllll

Cams won't gain much without dished pistons and a motor overhaul, the piston to valve clearance is to tight to put anything aggressive in.

Op looks like you both have strong cars, when's round 2 lol

Are you saying to put in big cams you need a dished piston? What do you mean agressive? As in lift or as in duration? I recently put some "healthy cams in my car" and I'm running the stock longblock with no PTV issues. And I didn't even degree them either. You can get away with a 240* cams and around .475 lift before you have to worry about ptv.

-Mark

Automach - I'm not going to hijack this thread by arguing with you about hp per mod and which are cost effdctive because we all know in your world your bolt ons gained more power machs run 10s and you can get parts cheaper and install them better, truth is you never turned a wrench in your life and wouldn't know how to read a lambda fuel graph. You are why everyone thinks mustang owners are assholes and give the car a bad name. Why don't you pack your shit tuck your tail and keep your mouth shut before you look like a bigger tool than you already are. And if I made you cry, I'm sure Dr. Phil has a self help program you can enroll in.

I'm done.

:hail::hail:

Automach - I'm not going to hijack this thread by arguing with you about hp per mod and which are cost effdctive because we all know in your world your bolt ons gained more power machs run 10s and you can get parts cheaper and install them better, truth is you never turned a wrench in your life and wouldn't know how to read a lambda fuel graph. You are why everyone thinks mustang owners are assholes and give the car a bad name. Why don't you pack your shit tuck your tail and keep your mouth shut before you look like a bigger tool than you already are. And if I made you cry, I'm sure Dr. Phil has a self help program you can enroll in.

I'm done.

Tell us how you really feel. lol

You don't have to go into the shortblock like Bitemark said. I picked up 60hp with LTs, ported intake and FR500 cams and I make 30 less hp than the car in the thread on nitrous. I just assumed that the cams that were put in were worth pulling the motor on.

Automach - I'm not going to hijack this thread by arguing with you about hp per mod and which are cost effdctive because we all know in your world your bolt ons gained more power machs run 10s and you can get parts cheaper and install them better, truth is you never turned a wrench in your life and wouldn't know how to read a lambda fuel graph. You are why everyone thinks mustang owners are assholes and give the car a bad name. Why don't you pack your shit tuck your tail and keep your mouth shut before you look like a bigger tool than you already are. And if I made you cry, I'm sure Dr. Phil has a self help program you can enroll in.

I'm done.

Look here needle dick by taking one look at that riced out looking mach you have I can tell you are one of those guys that would get made fun of at any car scene. I know your vag is sandy becasue your pile barely runs better then a stock mach even after those great hp per mod parts you bought :rolleyes: In my world my car runs well for what it has yours runs like shit. So why don't you sell that car to somebody that could make it worth something and buy you a gto or another car that you :sack: off. You are the reason everybody thinks machs run like crap because you don't know shit and you made that clear in your previous post. Look guys cams are garbage and you can't pick up any power with them without dished pistons lol What a fukn idiot. How about this go put some 26x duration cams on a mach with stock heads and tell me how that works out better yet I bet you would like some comp stage 3s :lol: I hope you don't argue with me because I would rip your stupid ass apart.

PS: end rant :burn:

^^ Shit just got real.

Anways I did not come here to argue the race good run would love to see a rematch. I was simlply telling the mach genius that they can pick up good power and he wanted to go into full dumbass mode.

Hey I'm just here for the show lol. I like Mach 1s lol

Anways I did not come here to argue the race good run would love to see a rematch. I was simlply telling the mach genius that they can pick up good power and he wanted to go into full dumbass mode.

"You went full retard, man. Never go full retard. You don't buy that? Ask Sean Penn, 2001. 'I Am Sam.' Remember? Went full retard, went home empty handed."

"You went full retard, man. Never go full retard. You don't buy that? Ask Sean Penn, 2001. 'I Am Sam.' Remember? Went full retard, went home empty handed."

lol....

Yeah we will probably rematch when i get my retune done. I wish I had some 243s. My cam is a 236/248 .617 x2 on a 110

DAMN! Thats a big cam without some better gears and heads to let it flow! Man, keep your eyes open! I picked up my 243`s on here for $200 :) The gears and the heads each made a massive difference. But i have a few more mods, and i self tune lol

I would venture to guess its people like this that make it bad for you guys..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKb_bjn94iA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I have 3.90s, the ones you wanted to trade that nitrous for hehe

I would venture to guess its people like this that make it bad for you guys..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKb_bjn94iA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

:confused::confused::confused::confused:

7.5 combustion!!!

I would venture to guess its people like this that make it bad for you guys..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKb_bjn94iA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

How did you get automach on camera?

Shit i forgot about that! Anyways open that baby up and let it flow with some heads.

in all honesty the driver of the mach is horrid, when his friend drives the car on motor it runs the same as the owner on a 75 shot..... no lie

Look here needle dick by taking one look at that riced out looking mach you have I can tell you are one of those guys that would get made fun of at any car scene. I know your vag is sandy becasue your pile barely runs better then a stock mach even after those great hp per mod parts you bought :rolleyes: In my world my car runs well for what it has yours runs like shit. So why don't you sell that car to somebody that could make it worth something and buy you a gto or another car that you :sack: off. You are the reason everybody thinks machs run like crap because you don't know shit and you made that clear in your previous post. Look guys cams are garbage and you can't pick up any power with them without dished pistons lol What a fukn idiot. How about this go put some 26x duration cams on a mach with stock heads and tell me how that works out better yet I bet you would like some comp stage 3s :lol: I hope you don't argue with me because I would rip your stupid ass apart.

PS: end rant :burn:

Someone should have bought a Terminator... :jest:

Someone should have bought a Terminator... :jest:

Terminators are weak :engarde:

Terminators are weak :engarde:

Yeah they are, but at least you don't have to bolt the entire planet onto them to make them fairly quick.

Yeah they are, but at least you don't have to bolt the entire planet onto them to make them fairly quick.

Yea they just need more boost from the heaton and still better watch out for earth ;)

Terminators are weak :engarde:

http://thehumanscorch.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/facepalm-4.jpg

http://thehumanscorch.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/facepalm-4.jpg

:flipbird:

Are you trying to imply a Terminator is a worse car to mod than a Mach?

Are you trying to imply a Terminator is a worse car to mod than a Mach?

I honestly don't care much for them they are to much of a cookie cutter car imo but no I never said they are worse to mod.

I would venture to guess its people like this that make it bad for you guys..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKb_bjn94iA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Thats a bad ass setup! You heard the "combustion"?! 7.5 in derrr on a NA and still running 12s flat. He ain't even got the turbo in derrr. He got the 7.5 inch pistons in derrr though. LMAO

How did you get automach on camera?

LMAO Poor Automach. He got full bolt ons in derrr.

There was an earthquake today in Iran because of this video.

RIP 250 deaths due to this mach 1.

RIP to a piece of Automach's soul too.

Automach - I'm not going to hijack this thread by arguing with you about hp per mod and which are cost effdctive because we all know in your world your bolt ons gained more power machs run 10s and you can get parts cheaper and install them better, truth is you never turned a wrench in your life and wouldn't know how to read a lambda fuel graph. You are why everyone thinks mustang owners are assholes and give the car a bad name. Why don't you pack your shit tuck your tail and keep your mouth shut before you look like a bigger tool than you already are. And if I made you cry, I'm sure Dr. Phil has a self help program you can enroll in.

I'm done.

OH SNAPZ LOL
http://twilight.ponychan.net/chan/files/src/134301949997.gif

Think this is the first time I have heard that someone thought a limited production car was a "cookie cutter" car :confused:

Think this is the first time I have heard that someone thought a limited production car was a "cookie cutter" car :confused:

You don't see much variability with them though as you do other Mustangs. You already have the blower, just put a pulley on, port the blower, or do a swap. Or in a rare occurrence you see turbo setup. With the other ones you can choose what path you want.*


*The above statement in no way shape or form states that other Mustangs are better than a Terminator.

You don't see much variability with them though as you do other Mustangs. You already have the blower, just put a pulley on, port the blower, or do a swap. Or in a rare occurrence you see turbo setup. With the other ones you can choose what path you want.*


*The above statement in no way shape or form states that other Mustangs are better than a Terminator.


Well said ... Yea better make sure that * is there before the shit storm starts.

You don't see much variability with them though as you do other Mustangs. You already have the blower, just put a pulley on, port the blower, or do a swap. Or in a rare occurrence you see turbo setup. With the other ones you can choose what path you want.*


*The above statement in no way shape or form states that other Mustangs are better than a Terminator.

They are just purpose built for boost. Why should anyone change that? :cool:

You don't see much variability with them though as you do other Mustangs. You already have the blower, just put a pulley on, port the blower, or do a swap. Or in a rare occurrence you see turbo setup. With the other ones you can choose what path you want.*


*The above statement in no way shape or form states that other Mustangs are better than a Terminator.

:huh:

I thought that was a good thing?!


With a Cobra you have just as much "variability" as any other Mustang, just a much better foundation to start with that's all.

:huh:

I thought that was a good thing?!


With a Cobra you have just as much "variability" as any other Mustang, just a much better foundation to start with that's all.

I'm not saying that it is a bad thing. Automach was saying that it was cookie-cutter and I somewhat agree. How often do you see someone put a centri blower or a turbo on those cars? It hardly ever happens because it's setup for a PD blower. You'd be adding thousands of dollars to equip those cars with those options.

I'm not saying that it is a bad thing. Automach was saying that it was cookie-cutter and I somewhat agree. How often do you see someone put a centri blower or a turbo on those cars? It hardly ever happens because it's setup for a PD blower. You'd be adding thousands of dollars to equip those cars with those options.

True, true. Around the time when they first came out you saw more Turbo, YSi, NOVI, and F1 builds and so on. Now with all the big twin screws available there really isn't the need to unless your talking BIG power. With that said even the Whipple 4.0's are pushing in excess of 1000whp. lol I was going to go turbo route with my Cobra, had a Sullivan intake & fuel system sitting and everything but decided not to go that far and went PD/N20 setup which worked out well. :)

I'm not saying that it is a bad thing. Automach was saying that it was cookie-cutter and I somewhat agree. How often do you see someone put a centri blower or a turbo on those cars? It hardly ever happens because it's setup for a PD blower. You'd be adding thousands of dollars to equip those cars with those options.

Hence why my search for an 03 consisted of something other then the typical ported eaton, whipple, or KB. I figured this go round I would buy one already built and save $20k+.

Bought not built ftl

Jealousy creates hate.

Bad ethics creates hate, but I would 100% rather buy a car stock and make it into something. Yes it will cost more but in the long run you know what's done to it and aren't buying someone else's problems. To say I am jealous is just ignorant. It's just a car, lol. Can be here one second gone the next!

LoL, calling someone ignorant for difference of opinion.

Lol for assuming I'm jealous.. See I can do it too. There was no difference in opinion

Haha, make sure you get the last word in.


BTW, I own a "bought" car and a "built" car. The only gain from the "built" car is knowledge and the pride...oh and being able to use it in a argument against someone that "bought" a car already "built".


:)

I am much more interested in projects that people build themselves then cars already built. The car may be fast, but it doesnt stand out and its hard talk technical with people who havent turned a wrench on it.

^^^ touché. I try to do as much as I can to my own stuff. Now with the more major stuff I've needed help. But I'd rather take something from stock to wild just so I know it was built right. Traded for way too many heaps that just needed other peoples mistakes fixed.

Bought not built ftl

When Ive done everything to the cars in my sig, and lost around 20k+ reselling them, i decided to save myself $25k+ this go round and buy something done......by a professional and reputable shop...the way I would choose to do it had I bought it stock. Say what you want its all personal opinion.

BTW there are about 5 other cars prior to my sig including a supercharged fox, nitrous camaro ss and 87 turbo t.

It's my opinion and it's not going to change. Sorry. Congrats for buying what you wanted and saving money. Idc really. Either way

When Ive done everything to the cars in my sig, and lost around 20k+ reselling them, i decided to save myself $25k+ this go round and buy something done......by a professional and reputable shop...the way I would choose to do it had I bought it stock. Say what you want its all personal opinion.

BTW there are about 5 other cars prior to my sig including a supercharged fox, nitrous camaro ss and 87 turbo t.

I think it's a age/experience thing. I think that after you build a few cars, it's nice to just buy one already done the way you want it.

My Cobra is the first car that I have bought that had just about all the mods already done to it that I wanted in a Cobra.

Good runs the Mach was definitely rolling.

Mmmmhmmmm

Would love to run ya man..

We will get it done. As soon as I get unstuck from this terrible state known as Tennessee lol

We will get it done. As soon as I get unstuck from this terrible state known as Tennessee lol

You coming to the shootout right?

2v GT > all

Yessir I'm going to try

We will get it done. As soon as I get unstuck from this terrible state known as Tennessee lol

You coming to the shootout right?

Daytime runs ? :judge:

Daytime runs ? :judge:

I'm down

Sure when?

2v GT > all



http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt11/pinchnloaf/mustang2v.jpg

Lame post is lame

Lame post is lame

Slow Mustang is Slow

There are pleny faster then your car ;)

Slow Mustang is Slow



Lol!!! Winning

There are pleny faster then your car ;)

Where at?

Where at?

PS3 has a few of them. XBOX might have the rest.

Where at?

lol hell there are a few in the sr&k section alone :cool:

I like how everyone tries to pick on things they "think" are slower than them here :confused:. Anyone ever hear about this thing called "modding", or even "swapping" ? It can make a v8 pony car go even faster than other v8 pony cars...

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt11/pinchnloaf/mustang2v.jpg

I love motivational posters......it really gives a guy something to strive for...:jest:

Well....I dig the rims :confused: lol.

lol hell there are a few in the sr&k section alone :cool:

Exactly. On the internet, but you never see them

All I am saying is mod for mod, dollar for dollar, an ls powered car will beat a mod motor powered car the majority of the time.

Take this race for example.. A GTO with minor mods vs. a mach1 with aftermarket cams, nitrous, every bolt on made, every suspension part made, weight reduction, and the mach cost more to start..

for a budget built street car f bodies/gtos/corvettes are generally a better bang for your buck than a gt/mach/cobra

Another example of my opinion..

http://youtu.be/pvcRwbXXOJQ

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt11/pinchnloaf/mustang2v.jpg

That's a good one lol.

I love motivational posters......it really gives a guy something to strive for...:jest:

http://www.mustangevolution.com/forum/attachments/17026d1176387520-goodlawd.jpg

Mach 1 cost more than a GTO new? From what I remember, the GTO was a little more expensive.

All I am saying is mod for mod, dollar for dollar, an ls powered car will beat a mod motor powered car the majority of the time.

Take this race for example.. A GTO with minor mods vs. a mach1 with aftermarket cams, nitrous, every bolt on made

maybe the nitrous was off? I had an 03 mach 1 with a 150 shot and a tune. I had no problems handling ls1s with a cam;)

Really? I still don't buy it...not because you're that wrong...but just because I'm THAT right! :P.

Really? I still don't buy it...not because you're that wrong...but just because I'm THAT right! :P.


lol...

Another example of my opinion..

http://youtu.be/pvcRwbXXOJQ



Represent! lol.
That tire set up looks sick.

Must be the :mullet: causing all of these intelligent posts on this topic :argh:

Exactly. On the internet, but you never see them

There are a handful of local 2vs that run hard. Alot more 2vs running good then hondas that's for sure ;)

Did you ever get yours sorted out automach?

Take this race for example.. A GTO with minor mods vs. a mach1 with aftermarket cams, nitrous, every bolt on made, every suspension part made, weight reduction, and the mach cost more to start..

for a budget built street car f bodies/gtos/corvettes are generally a better bang for your buck than a gt/mach/cobra

So how did that race end, you never said?

2004 Mach 1 MSRP 29,xxx 2004 GTO 31,xxx.

And that Mach with a decent set of cams is still limited to 450rwhp with the nitrous because of the weak rods. Bang for your buck? Ever heard of a Terminator?

So how did that race end, you never said?

2004 Mach 1 MSRP 29,xxx 2004 GTO 31,xxx.

And that Mach with a decent set of cams is still limited to 450rwhp with the nitrous because of the weak rods. Bang for your buck? Ever heard of a Terminator?

Yeah they're disappointing :burn:

http://www.mustangevolution.com/forum/attachments/17026d1176387520-goodlawd.jpg
Us Trans Am guys aren't offended ;)
There are a handful of local 2vs that run hard. A lot more 2vs running good then hondas that's for sure ;)
I've actually seen the opposite around here. Have yet to see a 2v break into the 13s at the strip and have seen A LOT of Hondas do that.

Again, we've seen a lot on here, so I'm a believer - but it seems most Iowa guys don't mod their 2Vs and stick to turbo Hondas.

Us Trans Am guys aren't offended ;)

I've actually seen the opposite around here. Have yet to see a 2v break into the 13s at the strip and have seen A LOT of Hondas do that.

Again, we've seen a lot on here, so I'm a believer - but it seems most Iowa guys don't mod their 2Vs and stick to turbo Hondas.

That's because Trans Am's actually look good ;)

You haven't seen a 2v breaks 13's? I can assure you that with slicks on my car I could hit 13's. What tires are they running?

You haven't seen a 2v breaks 13's? I can assure you that with slicks on my car I could hit 13's. What tires are they running?
Most of them at the strip appear to be newer drivers. The one on drag radials ran a 14 flat and the others were low-mid 14s. Issue with most manual guys was instead of slipping the clutch on street tires they would just dump it. Then once they started lowering the rpms and slipping, they'd roll to the low 14s.

Granted this season I've only been to the strip once, when I owned my own TA I'd try to make it out there a handful of times to watch and a few times to race.

2v's don't make the power to be a 13 sec car on average. Most out here run 14.1-14.3, about what most LT1's do stock.

2v's don't make the power to be a 13 sec car on average. Most out here run 14.1-14.3, about what most LT1's do stock.
Easy buddy, my LT1 ran a 13.8@100 with the stock 3.23 gears and a flowmaster muffler :mad:

JK about the mad part. That car was a turd

2v's don't make the power to be a 13 sec car on average. Most out here run 14.1-14.3, about what most LT1's do stock.

Lol what? I've seen plenty bolt on 2v's run 13s constantly. There are a few people who have squeezed 12's with bolt ons, lt's, weight reduction and slicks.

Most of them at the strip appear to be newer drivers. The one on drag radials ran a 14 flat and the others were low-mid 14s. Issue with most manual guys was instead of slipping the clutch on street tires they would just dump it. Then once they started lowering the rpms and slipping, they'd roll to the low 14s.

Granted this season I've only been to the strip once, when I owned my own TA I'd try to make it out there a handful of times to watch and a few times to race.
I wish I had the chance to run my old car on drag radials in good air... I think it had a 13.4 in it.
Lol what? I've seen plenty bolt on 2v's run 13s constantly. There are a few people who have squeezed 12's with bolt ons, lt's, weight reduction and slicks.
I think he was talking about stock, but I do agree with you.

Did you ever get yours sorted out automach?

Change of plans mad a trade. I will still post the results of the combo but I had to get out of it too much bad luck for me to mess with it with school and work :(

Us Trans Am guys aren't offended ;)


Again, we've seen a lot on here, so I'm a believer - but it seems most Iowa guys don't mod their 2Vs and stick to turbo Hondas.

Well I can only say what I have seen first hand and that is bolt-on 2vs running 12s close to full weight. With cams and a small shot it ran 11.5 @ 117.It is now a nitrous car and makes 52x. I have see a cams only auto 2v trap 111.xx at 3500lbs. With a small turbo on 5lbs it wen low 11s at 122+. On 8lbs made 45x and beat a whipple cobra that has been 128. On 12lbs ran with a vortech boss that has been 136. So I know what they can do in the right hands.

So I know what they can do in the right hands.
See my quoted part where I say I'm a believer ;)

I just haven't seen it around here :judge:

See my quoted part where I say I'm a believer ;)

I just haven't seen it around here :judge:

I know ;)

I know ;)
Send some decent running 2Vs up here and surprise us all.

Best run I had in my old bolt-on LT1 was a bolt-on 96 Cobra with an awesome driver. Dead even with the slightest hair lead going to me

That's because Trans Am's actually look good ;)

You haven't seen a 2v breaks 13's? I can assure you that with slicks on my car I could hit 13's. What tires are they running?
Your not helping your your self much with that stastement.
Change of plans mad a trade. I will still post the results of the combo but I had to get out of it too much bad luck for me to mess with it with school and work :(
That sucks.
Well I can only say what I have seen first hand and that is bolt-on 2vs running 12s close to full weight. With cams and a small shot it ran 11.5 @ 117.It is now a nitrous car and makes 52x. I have see a cams only auto 2v trap 111.xx at 3500lbs. With a small turbo on 5lbs it wen low 11s at 122+. On 8lbs made 45x and beat a whipple cobra that has been 128. On 12lbs ran with a vortech boss that has been 136. So I know what they can do in the right hands.

:bs:

That's a good one lol.



http://www.mustangevolution.com/forum/attachments/17026d1176387520-goodlawd.jpg

Catfish is my fave fish....so I'm not really offended.....lol Besides that's not the end of the you see anyway:poke:

The lsx platform, making mustangs perfect swap candidates since 97!

Your not helping your your self much with that stastement.

That sucks.


:bs:

Yea it does... Haters gonna hate lol

Bolt on 2 valves almost in the 12s full weight????????????????????????? Right.

Well I can only say what I have seen first hand and that is bolt-on 2vs running 12s close to full weight. With cams and a small shot it ran 11.5 @ 117.It is now a nitrous car and makes 52x. I have see a cams only auto 2v trap 111.xx at 3500lbs. With a small turbo on 5lbs it wen low 11s at 122+. On 8lbs made 45x and beat a whipple cobra that has been 128. On 12lbs ran with a vortech boss that has been 136. So I know what they can do in the right hands.

^ :rotflmao:

^ :rotflmao:

What's so funny?

What's so funny?

Your bogus claims. :lol:

Your bogus claims. :lol:

What's so bogus about it?

Bolt on 2 valves almost in the 12s full weight????????????????????????? Right.

I clearly said with weight reduction.

They can do it with the only weight reduction being 15s

They can do it with the only weight reduction being 15s

Far and few between. 99.9% go bottom 13s with every bolt-on possible. Been there, done that. Hell most bored block, heads/cams/ported intake/full bolt-on geared cars will be lucky to see bottom 12's. Without built motor/FI a 2v is nothing to talk about.

Yea bacause 9sec n/a 2vs is nothing to talk about

Yea bacause 9sec n/a 2vs is nothing to talk about

Doesn't matter how impressive it is, if an LSx-something has done it quicker/cheaper then it sucks. And if you like/have something else, then you're wasting your time and money.

Yea bacause 9sec n/a 2vs is nothing to talk about

Somehow I knew this was going to go from simple street cars to all out race cars. :lol:

Doesn't matter how impressive it is, if an LSx-something has done it quicker/cheaper then it sucks. And if you like/have something else, then you're wasting your time and money.

That's not what I am implying. I too was a 2v owner once long ago. Seeing as you've had experience with them I don't need to go into detail about how they are, by no means, the ideal power plant for a N/A build. However, as I stated in my last comment, with FI and worked shortblock they can make noise.

Yea well the 2vs I was talking abou above are all street cars.

Definitely not ideal if you want to make N/A power. But that doesn't mean that they can't be fun with some bolt-ons and gears. Full bolt-ons/gears/tune/DRs they *can* crack into the 12s, and that's good enough for many people when it comes to a DD. I would have been more than happy with some LTs and 4.10s in my old car.

Even some of the best drag racers in the country had a hard time getting in the bottom 12s with every N/A modification possible including weight reduction, 4.30 gears, slicks/skinnies, etc. They're slow period.

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/events/mmfp_0508_ford_mustang_na_two_valve_shootout/viewall.html

There was one on that list that they said ran 12.77 on street tires with just bolt-ons (#2). I imagine that was probably a little weight reduction as well, but that's still pretty impressive.

Definitely not ideal if you want to make N/A power. But that doesn't mean that they can't be fun with some bolt-ons and gears. Full bolt-ons/gears/tune/DRs they *can* crack into the 12s, and that's good enough for many people when it comes to a DD. I would have been more than happy with some LTs and 4.10s in my old car.

Good point. If only they got 30+ mpg with those mods. lol

There was one on that list that they said ran 12.77 on street tires with just bolt-ons (#2). I imagine that was probably a little weight reduction as well, but that's still pretty impressive.

Yeah, there always seems to be that one ringer in the bunch.

Good point. If only they got 30+ mpg with those mods. lol

I don't know why Ford didn't put a 6spd in the Mustang before the '03 Cobras. Double-overdrive certainly helps gas mileage.

Even some of the best drag racers in the country had a hard time getting in the bottom 12s with every N/A modification possible including weight reduction, 4.30 gears, slicks/skinnies, etc. They're slow period.

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/events/mmfp_0508_ford_mustang_na_two_valve_shootout/viewall.html

I wouldn't call that best drag racers in the country. Also a lot of those setups suck and do not have the new tf heads. At 3k raceweight and tf heads with custom spec cams there is no reason a 2v couldn't see mid too low 11s. I think its pretty badass that the little ole 2v has been 9.72 @ 136 with similar compression and weight as the texas speed stock bottom end ls1 record car of 9.6x.

I don't know why Ford didn't put a 6spd in the Mustang before the '03 Cobras. Double-overdrive certainly helps gas mileage.

That would've been much better than the T-45 and 3650 5-speed trans. I'm assuming cost had a good bit to do with it, as well as the fact Ford knew people were going to buy them anyway.

I wouldn't call that best drag racers in the country. Also a lot of those setups suck and do not have the new tf heads. At 3k raceweight and tf heads with custom spec cams there is no reason a 2v couldn't see mid too low 11s. I think its pretty badass that the little ole 2v has been 9.72 @ 136 with similar compression and weight as the texas speed stock bottom end ls1 record car of 9.6x.

Notice I said "some of the" best drag racers, and I am not sure how old you are but several of those guys are renowned Mustang drag racers that have been in the scene for a long time.

Low 11's is pushing it even with the new Trick Flow castings. Going to take a very light car, gifted driver, and excellent conditions to accomplish that. Basically all stars in a aligned. lol

There is actually a guy on the Mustang forums with a 2v, it is his drag car but he could easily drive it on the street if he swapped wheels/tires, and he is running a 7.84 @ 86.01 in the 1/8th. In the quarter he runs low 12's.

There is actually a guy on the Mustang forums with a 2v, it is his drag car but he could easily drive it on the street if he swapped wheels/tires, and he is running a 7.84 @ 86.01 in the 1/8th. In the quarter he runs low 12's.
Bolt-on? Or.........

Notice I said "some of the" best drag racers, and I am not sure how old you are but several of those guys are renowned Mustang drag racers that have been in the scene for a long time.

Low 11's is pushing it even with the new Trick Flow castings. Going to take a very light car, gifted driver, and excellent conditions to accomplish that. Basically all stars in a aligned. lol

I am familiar with some of the names but I have seen a 3500lb cams only 2v go 111 so to me its not impressive.

I am familiar with some of the names but I have seen a 3500lb cams only 2v go 111 so to me its not impressive.

He probably didn't tell you everything he had done. ;)

That raceweight throws a red flag to me.

Notice I said "some of the" best drag racers, and I am not sure how old you are but several of those guys are renowned Mustang drag racers that have been in the scene for a long time.

Low 11's is pushing it even with the new Trick Flow castings. Going to take a very light car, gifted driver, and excellent conditions to accomplish that. Basically all stars in a aligned. lol

One notable name that wasn't on that list was Ken Bjonnes... I believe he still holds the record for an N/A 2V. High 10 @ 120mph+. Doesn't seem all that impressive now, but that record was set back in 2004. I think he's doing 5.0 stuff now. Wonder what he could do with a 2V with this new stuff available.

He probably didn't tell you everything he had done. ;)

That raceweight throws a red flag to me.

Nope just a good runnnig car done right ;)

Im late as hell on this but it def looked like the Mach missed a shift

Nope just a good runnnig car done right ;)

Right, and my vette went 10.9X@134 BONE STOCK and beat a ZR1 with a professional driver on the way home. :lol:


Seriously though, @ 3500lbs, it ain't happening. Heck, most cam/bolt-on LS1 F-bodies would be happy to run that number, and they make a good deal more power with similar weight. Sometimes common sense is the best gift one can have.

Cam-only LS1 happy to run 111mph? :confused:

One notable name that wasn't on that list was Ken Bjonnes... I believe he still holds the record for an N/A 2V. High 10 @ 120mph+. Doesn't seem all that impressive now, but that record was set back in 2004. I think he's doing 5.0 stuff now. Wonder what he could do with a 2V with this new stuff available.

I am familiar with Bjonnes. Did a lot for the modular cars upon their introduction. He is infact doing the new 5.0 Coyote stuff, 9-sec TT car if memory serves correct.

I suppose he'd go substantially quicker now with the new aftermarket castings they have available now. :nod:

Cam-only LS1 happy to run 111mph? :confused:

No, you have to refer to the earlier posts from Automach & I.

Bolt-on? Or.........

Yeah, bolt on's. Made 261whp.

Right, and my vette went 10.9X@134 BONE STOCK and beat a ZR1 with a professional driver on the way home. :lol:


Seriously though, @ 3500lbs, it ain't happening. Heck, most cam/bolt-on LS1 F-bodies would be happy to run that number, and they make a good deal more power with similar weight. Sometimes common sense is the best gift one can have.

Just to be clear 3500 is raceweight. Dyno numbers are not everything just saying ;)

There are a handful of local 2vs that run hard. Alot more 2vs running good then hondas that's for sure ;)

Yeah, bolt on's. Made 261whp.

Nice thats about 20whp more than what my friends bolt on k24 made. LOL.

Nice thats about 20whp more than what my friends bolt on k24 made. LOL.

Yet would still get worked at the local track :burn:

Yet would still get worked at the local track :burn:

lol sure i never knew bolt on 2vs ran in the 11s at 110mph+. :burn:


http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/380575_2302339855498_151038017_n.jpg

That must be in an EG.

That must be in an EG.

Yeah full interior EG. Same one that ran door to door with a bolt on boss302.

Do you know what transmission he is running?

Do you know what transmission he is running?

I think its a z1 transmission. From where he tops out 4th at the RPM he shifts at. Not 100% sure but its a 6 speed for sure. The a2 trans's are way to long compared to the z3/z1/a transmissions.

I think when they switched to the Z1 they went to the "Type R" transmission.

Yeah full interior EG. Same one that ran door to door with a bolt on boss302.

no way. bolt on boss 302's run 125 mph.

I think when they switched to the Z1 they went to the "Type R" transmission.

The a2 and the z1 are the same thing only difference is the Z1 has a better/shorter Final drive (IIRC). The R transmission (out of the ITR) has a closer ratio in 4th and 5th. The one from the CTR has the same gearing as the z1 but with a shorter final drive. Theres like a shitload of em. But out of all the 6 speed k-series trannys the a2 is the longest.

Ok gotcha. It's been a while :lol:

lol sure i never knew bolt on 2vs ran in the 11s at 110mph+. :burn:


http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/380575_2302339855498_151038017_n.jpg

Yea I never knew that k24 came in a eg hatch :bs: Want to talk about me getting into race cars but it takes a motor/trans swaped sub 2500lb honda to run high 11s.

Yea I never knew that k24 came in a eg hatch :bs: Want to talk about me getting into race cars but it takes a motor/trans swaped sub 2500lb honda to run high 11s.

Lol nothing else to say huh?

Its all good, civics in the US came with shit platforms, everyone knows that. Still a stock swap with bolt ons, in a full interior shell.

But hey you of all people can't get mad at swaping motors, cause you ford guys do it all the time. Ford guys have been swaping LSx's into mustangs for years now :cool:

Lol nothing else to say huh?

Its all good, civics in the US came with shit platforms, everyone knows that. Still a stock swap with bolt ons, in a full interior shell.

But hey you of all people can't get mad at swaping motors, cause you ford guys do it all the time. Ford guys have been swaping LSx's into mustangs for years now :cool:

Nothing else to say you are in left field with motor swaped hondas. No ford guys swap lsx into mustangs. It is only gm guys that hate driving in a oversized catfish that do it.

I mean, a ton of people do actually...

Nothing else to say you are in left field with motor swaped hondas. No ford guys swap lsx into mustangs. It is only gm guys that hate driving in a oversized catfish that do it.

Sure!

I mean, a ton of people do actually...

Into everything BMWs, lexus's, fords, hondas, toyotas, mazdas, nissans, anything rwd with a shit platform, basically. People just know the LSx is a superior platform.

This thread just won't die :judge:

Sure!



Into everything BMWs, lexus's, fords, hondas, toyotas, mazdas, nissans, anything rwd with a shit platform, basically. People just know the LSx is a superior platform.

Yea we can tell look at the zl1 and ls3 camaro :jest:

^^^ butt hurt

Yea we can tell look at the zl1 and ls3 camaro :jest:

Just an FYI you're quoting someone talking about motors yet talking about specific vehicles...You're saying the ls3 in general isn't a capable platform? Gonna have to disagree there hence why you were specific in mentioning the camaro not the vette or the motor by itself.

Exactly what I was typing lol

Yeah put a decent motor in a heavy enough car and it won't really astound anyone lol...same deal with my friends truck with a 5.3, not really that fast but my friend has one in his notch back and the car flies....different mods, different weights...same motor.

Just an FYI you're quoting someone talking about motors yet talking about specific vehicles...You're saying the ls3 in general isn't a capable platform? Gonna have to disagree there hence why you were specific in mentioning the camaro not the vette or the motor by itself.

I never said it wasn't just poking fun. I have nothing against the lsx platform just think its funny when people claim that the ls1 is superior because it is not.

Superior to?

Superior to?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86uLwXstuWQ

A drag car?

He's talking ultimate build vs. ultimate build I suppose. Capabilities of the motors, money no object.

He's talking ultimate build vs. ultimate build I suppose. Capabilities of the motors, money no object.

Exactly

He's talking ultimate build vs. ultimate build I suppose. Capabilities of the motors, money no object.
*Looks around this forum for street racing and kill section owners with ultimate drag cars who drive them on the street daily to partake in such street racing and kill stories*

Umm?

*Looks around this forum for street racing and kill section owners with ultimate drag cars who drive them on the street daily to partake in such street racing and kill stories*

Umm?

Well it does get old very quickly, but at the root of it all he does have a point in this discussion.

*Looks around this forum for street racing and kill section owners with ultimate drag cars who drive them on the street daily to partake in such street racing and kill stories*

Umm?

That's what I was thinking. Lol

*Looks around this forum for street racing and kill section owners with ultimate drag cars who drive them on the street daily to partake in such street racing and kill stories*

Umm?

Its not about street cars it is about what the fastest of each has to offer. That tells what platform is superior more so then this one time I beat a mustang in my ls1. Not sure what he had done but this must mean lsx is superior becuase I won bs :rolleyes:

Dollar to speed lsx is superior

Dollar to speed lsx is superior

N/A, without a doubt.

Its not about street cars it is about what the fastest of each has to offer. That tells what platform is superior more so then this one time I beat a mustang in my ls1. Not sure what he had done but this must mean lsx is superior becuase I won bs :rolleyes:
Well for the most part, dollar for dollar, the LS does run superior.

You can argue all out superiority all you want, but at the end of the day, what matters to me is a street car. I see few 4v guys around here running 11s at the track. Most are mid 12s

N/A, without a doubt.

Where it matters. Where a turbo or power adder can't save you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86uLwXstuWQ

Beat Tim lychs record set a year before by 2.5 mph and .07 of a second. That car burned down before it got faster... In a class like that tire pressure would make up that difference LOL.

Well for the most part, dollar for dollar, the LS does run superior.

You can argue all out superiority all you want, but at the end of the day, what matters to me is a street car. I see few 4v guys around here running 11s at the track. Most are mid 12s

Well like I said back to the I see this and I beat this argument that will never end.

For the most part it does hold a advantage but it is not as cheap as some make it out to be.

For the most part it does hold a advantage but it is not as cheap as some make it out to be.
Agreed, I hate when people make parts out to be dirt cheap and how anybody can do this with $X. Not the case

Where it matters. Where a turbo or power adder can't save you.



Beat Tim lychs record set a year before by 2.5 mph and .07 of a second. That car burned down before it got faster... In a class like that tire pressure would make up that difference LOL.

5.4 has been 8s n/a on stock cubes so they obviously don't need a poweradder to save them. Also I am pretty sure tim lynchs car was a 670ci tt car and not a lsx :) So try again.

Ps: The car has been 6.08 so close to 5s in a 281 ;)

5.4 has been 8s n/a on stsock cubes so they obviously don't need a poweradder to save them. Also I am pretty sure tim lynchs car was a 690ci tt car and not a lsx :) So try again.

Ps: The car has been 6.08 so close to 5s in a 281 ;)

lold sams camaro ran 8s weighing 3500lbs brah, don't get too excited now. LMK when an all motor mustang traps 170mph on motor with a small block.

lold sams camaro ran 8s weighing 3500lbs brah, don't get too excited now. LMK when an all motor mustang traps 170mph on motor with a small block.

Not on stock cubes lol... I like the crawfishing tho still waiting for a low 6 sec lsx to be posted :)

Not on stock cubes lol... I like the crawfishing tho still waiting for a low 6 sec lsx to be posted :)


Still waiting on that 170mph all motor small block mustang.

Still waiting on that 170mph all motor small block mustang.

Still crawfishing I see I will show you one when you can show me a 230+ mph lsx :)

Still waiting on any real numbers from automach's car.

As much as he talks about it I'd hope it is single digits

Still waiting on any real numbers from automach's car.

298 sae :)

Like most mustang guys, he must rely on other peoples cars and what they do.