Street Racing & Kill Stories - 02 ws6 vs 2013 boss

okay to start the story off, a guy that works for me recently bought a yellow 2013 boss. very nice car. i've been bugging him for a while to race but he says he can't shift it worth shit.

anyway a friend of mine shows up to buy a trans from me. so we go out on the road and tune my 75 t\a for a while. the guy with the boss seen us so he stopped by. he figured it was time to run our cars. so i fired up the 02.

we try racing from a dig a couple times. both times he just spun a bit then blew 2nd. 1-2 shift is just horrible on that car.

so then we try from a 10 mph roll to eliminate the launch. he blew 2nd again. tried again--- he hit 2nd, and was about a length behind. but then he blew 3rd. okay i thought, this is no good. we weren't learing anything here.

my buddy was riding in the boss and recorded all the shenannigans.

the guy that owns the boss wanted me to drive his car-- i've driven it several times before and went through the gears a lot. 1-2 shift is a little tricky but after that it's alright. i was a little hesitant as nobody there has even driven my car before--- and the guy that owns the boss can't drive for shit. regardess, i threw the keys to my car to my other friend and said "run it through the gears a couple times then we'll line up". I did the same with the boss.

at this point the only guy with a camera was now driving my car so no vid from this point on :(

we lined up for a dig race. i called out "ready-set-GO!"

he got me by around a length out of the hole. then i made up about a fender with the boss at the top of 1st--- went to nail 2nd at 7250 rpm and BAM! nailed it! RFO! and we were away-- 2nd-3rd-4th--- top of 4th the boss made up about another fender then we let off. ws6 won by approx 3\4 of a car. right on. but that wasn't enough yet.

we line up again. i called it out again-- GO! this time i launched a little better as he only got my by aboot a 3rd of a car. i made up a touch at the top of 1st-- nailed 2nd-3rd-4th-- top of 4th the boss evened it up-- i shifted to 5th around 7300 rpm. the ws6 was at the top of fourth and pulled a foot or so away. i ran in 5th a bit then we shut down. basically dead even or the ws6 by a cunt hair. very very close! i'm guessing we shut down somewhere around 120 mph. the guy that owns the boss was riding with me just giggling.

the two cars were an awesome race! haven't had a close one like that in a long time. props to my buddy for just jumping in my car, and from never driving it before to driving like it like a champ!

the two cars--

the '13 boss-- bone stock, around 3500 miles on it and using the red key. boss had a passenger.

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt11/pinchnloaf/july172012080.jpg

my car-- 02 ws6, around 22,000 miles on it. CAI, diablo handheld tuner, ORY, cat back, z06 clutch and 295\50 mickey T DR's on the back.

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt11/pinchnloaf/bennybikecarandwedding072-1.jpg

here's one of the short vids the guy took with his I phone when the owner of the boss was driving lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMjd0KNIhDE&feature=g-all-u

I expected a lot more out of the bOSS. A lot more. 118 mph traps is average they say? You have a small shot youre hiding?

I think buddy couldn't drive...but love that pewter Ws6 :drool: I'm a fan of pewter. In all reality, buddy would stomp you I suspect :secret2:. He could be hiding a shot; after all, some guys are saying on here it's all good to lie about your mods lol. I would expect that over on Hondaforums, but not here....

Ehhh doesn't sound right to me. Don't mean to discredit you. We'll wait for EvanGTO to chime in and hear his thoughts.

I mean I get that the boss had an extra passenger, but even still. The WS6 doesn't even have LT's let alone a dyno tune. You'd find it hard pressed to beat a regular 5.0 with that.

Nonetheless good races, anything can happen on the street I guess!

So yea...there are so many things i can say lol. I dont know where to start. For one... the car is quite possibly the easiest car to drive in bone stock form. Twin disk fancy pants mcleod clutch and a shifter you think you might snap off if you hit gears too hard. Anyway. Ill just explain how far off i thought this was... i totally expected you to have a full bolt on /cammed t/a. Reading that it only has catback/lid....something is not right. Either that boss is down 2 cylinders...or your hiding a lot of power.

Not hating on your car. But this is like saying a stock mach 1 took it to a H/C GTO.

Also too... 118mph traps are not average by any means. 115-116 is more average air with decent driver. 117 is good air with great driver. 118 is great air with great driver... anything less then 115, driver should stick to autos. My car when it was bone stock raced a friends Ported 243 headed, ls6 cammed, LT, full exhaust, 1.8 rocker T/A that made 407whp on the same dyno mine made 396 at the time. My car pulled a car length in a 100mph pull everytime. But im also driving my car.

Im not trying to sound negative by any means... I know im a bit above average with the things i beat with my car, but if you saw the way i drive it, you would understand. I have no clue what happened here...

So yea...there are so many things i can say lol. I dont know where to start. For one... the car is quite possibly the easiest car to drive in bone stock form. Twin disk fancy pants mcleod clutch and a shifter you think you might snap off if you hit gears too hard. Anyway. Ill just explain how far off i thought this was... i totally expected you to have a full bolt on /cammed t/a. Reading that it only has catback/lid....something is not right. Either that boss is down 2 cylinders...or your hiding a lot of power.

Not hating on your car. But this is like saying a stock mach 1 took it to a H/C GTO.

Also too... 118mph traps are not average by any means. 115-116 is more average air with decent driver. 117 is good air with great driver. 118 is great air with great driver... anything less then 115, driver should stick to autos. My car when it was bone stock raced a friends Ported 243 headed, ls6 cammed, LT, full exhaust, 1.8 rocker T/A that made 407whp on the same dyno mine made 396 at the time. My car pulled a car length in a 100mph pull everytime. But im also driving my car.

Im not trying to sound negative by any means... I know im a bit above average with the things i beat with my car, but if you saw the way i drive it, you would understand. I have no clue what happened here...

LMAO but I agree... that looked like a downright raping. Like the trans had 100whp+ more. Looked like you beat the driver, OP. Good win either way.

Im glad after watching this vid that most of us are knowledgable and not go around saying a almost stock WS6 can beat a 2013 Boss, can beat the driver though that for sure, lol.

I'm not that surprised by the outcome. I wasn't impressed when I ran a 2012 5.0, my bolt-on A4 Z28 put over 2 lengths on him when I let off at about 120mph. (from a dig)

Then again the 5.0 crowd can always cry driver mod....:wrist:

Point is, driver mod or not it happened...stock for stock these cars are not that far apart. Let's not forget the new 5.0 is working with over 10 years of technological advancement and costs alot more than original MSRP of LS1 cars.

Zipping up my flame suit and watching the drama unfold...:corn:

you guys need to read the entire story. the vid only represents when the owner was driving the car and can't drive worth shit. with me driving the boss and my friend driving my car they were basically dead even.

the boss shifts like shit.

i also absolutely decimated an l99 car with that ws6. bad.

For the span of 10 years, the new 5.0 should have wings on it and put football fields on the old push rod LS1....I'm tragically disappointed :(

I'm not that surprised by the outcome. I wasn't impressed when I ran a 2012 5.0, my bolt-on A4 Z28 put over 2 lengths on him when I let off at about 120mph. (from a dig)

Then again the 5.0 crowd can always cry driver mod....:wrist:

Point is, driver mod or not it happened...stock for stock these cars are not that far apart. Let's not forget the new 5.0 is working with over 10 years of technological advancement and costs alot more than original MSRP of LS1 cars.

Zipping up my flame suit and watching the drama unfold...:corn:

108mph car vs 117mph car... hardly a race...

For the span of 10 years, the new 5.0 should have wings on it and put football fields on the old push rod LS1....I'm tragically disappointed :(

Same could be said for the new Camaro. Now's whose more dissapointed?

Could races OP, I wouldn't consider those results too far off base personally as I've seen stock WS6's go door to door and even pull on 5.0's in even races. All it takes is a strong running 4th gen (yes, they exist and are fairly common-- and notably faster then the rest of the 4th gens).

Unlike most here, I can back up my statements. Hell, I was, I think, the first person in the world to post up a back to back, planned, multiple runs with good drivers race between a then new 5.0 and a WS6.

I'm not that surprised by the outcome. I wasn't impressed when I ran a 2012 5.0, my bolt-on A4 Z28 put over 2 lengths on him when I let off at about 120mph. (from a dig)

Then again the 5.0 crowd can always cry driver mod....:wrist:

Point is, driver mod or not it happened...stock for stock these cars are not that far apart. Let's not forget the new 5.0 is working with over 10 years of technological advancement and costs alot more than original MSRP of LS1 cars.

Zipping up my flame suit and watching the drama unfold...:corn:

Same could be said for the new Camaro. Now's whose more dissapointed?

Could races OP, I wouldn't consider those results too far off base personally as I've seen stock WS6's go door to door and even pull on 5.0's in even races. All it takes is a strong running 4th gen (yes, they exist and are fairly common-- and notably faster then the rest of the 4th gens).

Unlike most here, I can back up my statements. Hell, I was, I think, the first person in the world to post up a back to back, planned, multiple runs with good drivers race between a then new 5.0 and a WS6.

A regular 5.0 would get butt-fucked by a Boss 302. As should a cat-back/lid LS1 F-body. Good race OP, but this is not indicative of the car's potential. Take that how you wish.

I'm not that surprised by the outcome. I wasn't impressed when I ran a 2012 5.0, my bolt-on A4 Z28 put over 2 lengths on him when I let off at about 120mph. (from a dig)

Then again the 5.0 crowd can always cry driver mod....:wrist:

Point is, driver mod or not it happened...stock for stock these cars are not that far apart. Let's not forget the new 5.0 is working with over 10 years of technological advancement and costs alot more than original MSRP of LS1 cars.

Zipping up my flame suit and watching the drama unfold...:corn:
No need for a flame suit or any drama, actually. Because seriously, there is nothing to debate here...at all. Your bolt on Z28 putting over two lengths on a coyote is laughable at best! So you slaughtered a Boss?...You want to talk about beating drivers cool. But :gtfo: with any other angle.
you guys need to read the entire story. the vid only represents when the owner was driving the car and can't drive worth shit. with me driving the boss and my friend driving my car they were basically dead even.

the boss shifts like shit.
We don't need to read the whole story to know that it's absolutely not possible other than a terrible driver. That's really all there is to it, sorry.
i also absolutely decimated an l99 car with that ws6. bad.
Big deal, Please! Lol. Stupid thread and more of a troll thread than anything else.
108mph car vs 117mph car... hardly a race...
No, not hardly...or even sorta kinda...
A regular 5.0 would get butt-fucked by a Boss 302. As should a cat-back/lid LS1 F-body. Good race OP, but this is not indicative of the car's potential. Take that how you wish.

Lid catback ls1 ftw :gruffy:

Anything can happen on the street. That's all I can say.

We don't need to read the whole story to know that it's absolutely not possible other than a terrible driver. That's really all there is to it, sorry.

Big deal, Please! Lol. Stupid thread and more of a troll thread than anything else.

No, not hardly...or even sorta kinda...


Lid catback ls1 ftw :gruffy:

well you seem to have pre conceived notions before even opening the thread because obviously you missed the part where we changed drivers.

Same could be said for the new Camaro. Now's whose more dissapointed?

Could races OP, I wouldn't consider those results too far off base personally as I've seen stock WS6's go door to door and even pull on 5.0's in even races. All it takes is a strong running 4th gen (yes, they exist and are fairly common-- and notably faster then the rest of the 4th gens).

Unlike most here, I can back up my statements. Hell, I was, I think, the first person in the world to post up a back to back, planned, multiple runs with good drivers race between a then new 5.0 and a WS6.

i thought the boss was going to run away on my car in 3rd-- but they were basically a dead heat. i was pretty excited!

now for all the homos that get pissy the boss had 400 pounds worth of passengers in it and the ws6 had a lone 160 pound driver-- and no spare tire and jack either.

also forgot i have a ported TB as well.

i thought the boss was going to run away on my car in 3rd-- but they were basically a dead heat. i was pretty excited!

now for all the homos that get pissy the boss had 400 pounds worth of passengers in it and the ws6 had a lone 160 pound driver-- and no spare tire and jack either.

also forgot i have a ported TB as well.

That explains it lol.

The 5.0 hype proceeds onto the Boss. Cute cars though, now the GT500 is a different story.

2011+ mustangs are over rated.

2011+ mustangs are over rated.

I think so.

That explains it lol.

The 5.0 hype proceeds onto the Boss. Cute cars though, now the GT500 is a different story.

108 mph car vs 117mph car. Wheres the hype?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76srI0Vp32M&feature=channel&list=UL

My buddies bone stock boss in 2000+ da. Since when does a lid/catback f body run those times?

i thought the boss was going to run away on my car in 3rd-- but they were basically a dead heat. i was pretty excited!

now for all the homos that get pissy the boss had 400 pounds worth of passengers in it and the ws6 had a lone 160 pound driver-- and no spare tire and jack either.

also forgot i have a ported TB as well.

So basically this was an unfair race due to a huge passenger difference yet people are still claiming the Boss is over rated? LOL, give me the keys to that boss and I'll show a mild bolt on 4th gen whats up. Give credit where it's due...these two cars should not even be close with good drivers in both.

I think so.

You shouldn't..I was shitting on bolt on m3 before boosting mine with less work. :)

Like its been stated: "anything can happen on the street"

OP, I read the whole story, and I believe its true. I just wish I got my race on video, I will continue to badger my co-worker to race again tho. haha.

I don't feel like researching it, FORD guys what the difference between a 2012 5.0 and a 2013 Boss?

When I was at my hometown track in MI, (US 131) last summer there was a 12' 5.0 there, I talked to the guy, he said it was bone stock, the best he could manage was a 12.91 forgot mph... Most of his runs were low 13's.... BTW... my car was lid/catback only at the time and I did a best of 13.1 at 106, in 85 degree weather.. forgot DA, but it was above 2000'.... I am certain that his MPH was no-where near 118 mph... thats hilarious that people would claim that.

I'll return to watching the shenanigans from the sidelines....

Like its been stated: "anything can happen on the street"

OP, I read the whole story, and I believe its true. I just wish I got my race on video, I will continue to badger my co-worker to race again tho. haha.

I don't feel like researching it, FORD guys what the difference between a 2012 5.0 and a 2013 Boss?

When I was at my hometown track in MI, (US 131) last summer there was a 12' 5.0 there, I talked to the guy, he said it was bone stock, the best he could manage was a 12.91 forgot mph... Most of his runs were low 13's.... BTW... my car was lid/catback only at the time and I did a best of 13.1 at 106, in 85 degree weather.. forgot DA, but it was above 2000'.... I am certain that his MPH was no-where near 118 mph... thats hilarious that people would claim that.

I'll return to watching the shenanigans from the sidelines....

The difference between the two motors is comparable to the difference between the LS1 and LS6, as is the difference in performance capabilities. Ported heads, different cams/intake, forged rotating assembly. Mild but very effective changes. Boss 302s have dipped into the 11s bone stock, I believe

A regular 5.0 would get butt-fucked by a Boss 302. As should a cat-back/lid LS1 F-body. Good race OP, but this is not indicative of the car's potential. Take that how you wish.

Hey!!! i know you from one of the ls1 sites !!!


EDIT::: Sorry i thought i was on mustangforums.com

and also i think this could have happened, if the 5.0 doesnt have the 3.73 gearing, and this was a very strong running ls....

that is if they are still putting the other gearing in them

Shouldn't the results have been reversed?

Like its been stated: "anything can happen on the street"

OP, I read the whole story, and I believe its true. I just wish I got my race on video, I will continue to badger my co-worker to race again tho. haha.

I don't feel like researching it, FORD guys what the difference between a 2012 5.0 and a 2013 Boss?

When I was at my hometown track in MI, (US 131) last summer there was a 12' 5.0 there, I talked to the guy, he said it was bone stock, the best he could manage was a 12.91 forgot mph... Most of his runs were low 13's.... BTW... my car was lid/catback only at the time and I did a best of 13.1 at 106, in 85 degree weather.. forgot DA, but it was above 2000'.... I am certain that his MPH was no-where near 118 mph... thats hilarious that people would claim that.

I'll return to watching the shenanigans from the sidelines....

Did you miss my vid i posted of my friends bone stock 2013 boss going 11.9 at 115 in 2000+ da. Compared to 13.1 at 106.

Hey!!! i know you from one of the ls1 sites !!!


and also i think this could have happened, if the 5.0 doesnt have the 3.73 gearing, and this was a very strong running ls....

that is if they are still putting the other gearing in them

bosses only come with 3.73s

Did you miss my vid i posted of my friends bone stock 2013 boss going 11.9 at 115 in 2000+ da. Compared to 13.1 at 106.

To be fair, it looked like the car in that particular video was running DRs. But they have gone that quick (quicker I believe) on the stock tires.

To be fair, it looked like the car in that particular video was running DRs. But they have gone that quick (quicker I believe) on the stock tires.

he was on DRs but still wasnt launching hard. He cut a 1.72 60 on that pass. Later in the day he cut a 1.64 but missed third gear. And his times were far from the best ive seen. My car tore him up pretty good when we ran on the roll

This thread is funny. People are ignorant. FWIW I ran 12.9 Lid/Catback. That doesn't mean I'm coming anywhere close to beating a BOSS. 107-109mph car is nowhere close to a 115-117mph car. If you don't understand that then it's not worth wasting the time to explain it.

I've had pretty good experience with 5.0's in the last few weeks. When they don't live up to the "hype" 90% of the time it's because the owner can't drive.

Oh and you beat a stock L99 5th Gen? Congrats, those cars are TURDS out of the box.

I'm really not trying to be a hater but people need to open their eyes and realize what's obvious.

This thread is funny. People are ignorant. FWIW I ran 12.9 Lid/Catback. That doesn't mean I'm coming anywhere close to beating a BOSS. 107-109mph car is nowhere close to a 115-117mph car. If you don't understand that then it's not worth wasting the time to explain it.

I've had pretty good experience with 5.0's in the last few weeks. When they don't live up to the "hype" 90% of the time it's because the owner can't drive.

Oh and you beat a stock L99 5th Gen? Congrats, those cars are TURDS out of the box.

I'm really not trying to be a hater but people need to open their eyes and realize what's obvious.

howd your races go?

So basically this was an unfair race due to a huge passenger difference yet people are still claiming the Boss is over rated? LOL, give me the keys to that boss and I'll show a mild bolt on 4th gen whats up. Give credit where it's due...these two cars should not even be close with good drivers in both.

i was driving the boss when the cars were dead even. i'm a good driver. my friend was driving my ws6 and has never driven it before.

i was driving the boss when the cars were dead even. i'm a good driver. my friend was driving my ws6 and has never driven it before.

i wish you were closer... id say let me drive it. I cant promise he would have a trans when im done with it though... but i will atleast win the race in proper fashion

Like its been stated: "anything can happen on the street"

OP, I read the whole story, and I believe its true. I just wish I got my race on video, I will continue to badger my co-worker to race again tho. haha.

I don't feel like researching it, FORD guys what the difference between a 2012 5.0 and a 2013 Boss?

When I was at my hometown track in MI, (US 131) last summer there was a 12' 5.0 there, I talked to the guy, he said it was bone stock, the best he could manage was a 12.91 forgot mph... Most of his runs were low 13's.... BTW... my car was lid/catback only at the time and I did a best of 13.1 at 106, in 85 degree weather.. forgot DA, but it was above 2000'.... I am certain that his MPH was no-where near 118 mph... thats hilarious that people would claim that.

I'll return to watching the shenanigans from the sidelines....

thanks guy

i don't know what kind of "stock" boss would run 118 mph. i know this one sure wouldn't.

i wish you were closer... id say let me drive it. I cant promise he would have a trans when im done with it though... but i will atleast win the race in proper fashion

I can't promise that it has a good trans now. 2nd is very hard to hit. if i try to powershift it like my t56 it just grinds. i can ram the rest of the gears in it, just not 2nd.

thanks guy

i don't know what kind of "stock" boss would run 118 mph. i know this one sure wouldn't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLmXeUflf4I

That car has gone 11.5 at 118 in better da.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpYJRSus2ns&feature=related

This was the first car to run that time... different car.

My buddies went 11.9 at 115. Da correction at sea level bring him to 11.7 at 117... right where these other cars ran. This is the norm... not freaks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLmXeUflf4I

That car has gone 11.5 at 118 in better da.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpYJRSus2ns&feature=related

This was the first car to run that time... different car.

My buddies went 11.9 at 115. Da correction at sea level bring him to 11.7 at 117... right where these other cars ran. This is the norm... not freaks

well that's not this car. for sure. and i know this one is stock.

I can't promise that it has a good trans now. 2nd is very hard to hit. if i try to powershift it like my t56 it just grinds. i can ram the rest of the gears in it, just not 2nd.

Ok so your friend that don't know how to drive your car race you while you drove his boss but you couldn't manage to pull away? You don't know how to drive!

howd your races go?,
Well my car has done 12.5 @112 on a 2.0 60' just for reference.

I pulled a 3.31 M6 pretty good, probably 1.5 to 2 cars from a 45.

Then my good friend got a '13 w/ 3:73's. I have driven it quite a bit and it and I must say it feels very quick. We ran a few times but he kept missing 3rd. Up until then I had about .5-1 car on him if that. Can't really say the outcome since we couldn't get a clean race.

Took it to the track and I ran 12.7 @ 110.4 on a 2.0 in a 2000ft DA. bone stock. Definitely a strong runner, and I would say it would be a tossup between us two if he could drive well. Maybe me pulling a bit. People underestimate the cars.

Ran into a '13 Boss on the street. Dude launched bad and I got out a bit, he hit second and started a good pull before we had to let off. It was a big difference from the 2 regular 5.0s. He couldn't drive well either.


P.S. They are extremely easy to drive, the tranny's are like butter lol.

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Well my car has done 12.5 @112 on a 2.0 60' just for reference.

I pulled a 3.31 M6 pretty good, probably 1.5 to 2 cars from a 45.

Then my good friend got a '13 w/ 3:73's. I have driven it quite a bit and it and I must say it feels very quick. We ran a few times but he kept missing 3rd. Up until then I had about .5-1 car on him if that. Can't really say the outcome since we couldn't get a clean race.

Took it to the track and I ran 12.7 @ 110.4 on a 2.0 in a 2000ft DA. bone stock. Definitely a strong runner, and I would say it would be a tossup between us two if he could drive well. Maybe me pulling a bit. People underestimate the cars.

Ran into a '13 Boss on the street. Dude launched bad and I got out a bit, he hit second and started a good pull before we had to let off. It was a big difference from the 2 regular 5.0s. He couldn't drive well either.


P.S. They are extremely easy to drive, the tranny's are like butter lol.

They shift like butter because they are made like butter... thats why mine is broken for the second time in a month. Im upgrading... all set with this warrenty game

well that's not this car. for sure. and i know this one is stock.

those cars are stock as well

So the Boss was packed with passengers... and when the drivers were switched, it was dead even... so you KNOW you basically beat the driver... and you beat him at a handicap... and everyones saying the Boss are overrated?

Credit where due. The Boss' aren't a slouch, but obviously seems their manual trans' are.

So the Boss was packed with passengers... and when the drivers were switched, it was dead even... so you KNOW you basically beat the driver... and you beat him at a handicap... and everyones saying the Boss are overrated?

Credit where due. The Boss' aren't a slouch, but obviously seems their manual trans' are.

the trans are the PUNCH LINE of a bad joke... 6060 magnum/4.88s for me

Ok so your friend that don't know how to drive your car race you while you drove his boss but you couldn't manage to pull away? You don't know how to drive!

the guy that owns the boss didn't drive anything after. the guy that recorded the race in the vid was the guy who drove my car after.

those cars are stock as well

right on I have an 11 second car!

right on I have an 11 second car!

how many miles were on the boss? I know mine seemed pretty strong right from 40 miles... and my buddies felt like a roach until about 2000 miles. For some reason it seemed like his rings took forever to seat. Maybe improper break in at the factory.

So the Boss was packed with passengers... and when the drivers were switched, it was dead even... so you KNOW you basically beat the driver... and you beat him at a handicap... and everyones saying the Boss are overrated?

Credit where due. The Boss' aren't a slouch, but obviously seems their manual trans' are.

the boss had two people in it during all races. myself, and the owner. we're each around 200 pounds.

and i did beat the driver in the video. i said that in my description.

how many miles were on the boss? I know mine seemed pretty strong right from 40 miles... and my buddies felt like a roach until about 2000 miles. For some reason it seemed like his rings took forever to seat. Maybe improper break in at the factory.

it has around 3500 miles on it. i don't know what else to do--- the only thing i'm admittedly a touch slow on the 1-2 shift otherwise it just wont go in gear. the others are fine. had good launches, and shifted at 7250-7300 rpm. should i rev it higher? it feels like it's losing out after that.

I don't feel like researching it, FORD guys what the difference between a 2012 5.0 and a 2013 Boss?

Guys he was probably racing with the blue key, OP next time make sure he has the RED key in, that's for RACE MODE .... LMAO

the boss had the red key! nice lopey idle

I hope you realize the controversy has nothing to do with it being a Mustang. We would say the same thing if you had similar results racing a C5 Z06.

Not sure about all of them traping 115 STOCK, i think thats in great air. A guy around here has one that pulled 2 cars on a 114mph car. The boss has x pipe, intake and tune. Stock id say that particular boss is probably a 112mph car. Also to add to this a local d00ds old full interior SS with driver (300lbs) with ported tb, lid and chopped off stock muffler traped 111. Its a freak occasion but it CAN happen.

Generally when someone is talking about what cars can run, they are talking about in good/decent air.

Not sure about all of them traping 115 STOCK, i think thats in great air. A guy around here has one that pulled 2 cars on a 114mph car. The boss has x pipe, intake and tune. Stock id say that particular boss is probably a 112mph car.

A Boss trapping 112 in 1/4 in decent air with a decent driver means there is something wrong.

Local o.e here traps 115 but its also over 100* when he has been doing it Bo.e stock. His best time is 12.4 with it.

i'm sure we'll run again sometime. will get vid next time.

Hype because I saw 2 of them running consistent 8.4-8.5's @ 87 MPH at our local Irwindale Speedway last Thursday. Granted they were on street tires, trap speed didn't impress me. I should have recorded the runs. **DA is usually 1000~

For comparison:

My buddy's 98 Z with bolt-ons(full exhaust/tune), 3200 stall and Toyo DR ran consistent 7.8-7.9's @ 90~mph at the same track.

My bro's LS1/T56 IROC-Z (CAI, catback and tune) ran 8.1@91 mph before "grenading" the stock 10-bolt.

Hype because I saw 2 of them running consistent 8.4-8.5's @ 87 MPH at our local Irwindale Speedway last Thursday. Granted they were on street tires, trap speed didn't impress me. I should have recorded the runs. **DA is usually 1000~

For comparison:

My buddy's 98 Z with bolt-ons(full exhaust/tune), 3200 stall and Toyo DR ran consistent 7.8-7.9's @ 90~mph at the same track.

My bro's LS1/T56 IROC-Z (CAI, catback and tune) ran 8.1@91 mph before "grenading" the stock 10-bolt.

Surprise, the only thing that matters is what you see... Screw what happens elsewhere in the world. Are you related to Hio? :lol:

Hype because I saw 2 of them running consistent 8.4-8.5's @ 87 MPH at our local Irwindale Speedway last Thursday. Granted they were on street tires, trap speed didn't impress me. I should have recorded the runs. **DA is usually 1000~

For comparison:

My buddy's 98 Z with bolt-ons(full exhaust/tune), 3200 stall and Toyo DR ran consistent 7.8-7.9's @ 90~mph at the same track.

My bro's LS1/T56 IROC-Z (CAI, catback and tune) ran 8.1@91 mph before "grenading" the stock 10-bolt.

Hard to launch a manual on street tires and see what car can really do.

reading this thread makes me vomit....

Surprise, the only thing that matters is what you see... Screw what happens elsewhere in the world. Are you related to Hio? :lol:

Not related to Hio but since your bringing up relations, how's your mom? Is she keeping that yellow C5 clean for our next outing?


Hard to launch a manual on street tires and see what car can really do.

I'm guessing 8.0's on tires but the trap is what didn't add up to a car that traps 116+??? I guess I'll just stick to internet Boss 302's, they're a lot faster w/ incompetent drivers.

This guy :lol:

Not related to Hio but since your bringing up relations, how's your mom? Is she keeping that yellow C5 clean for our next outing?




I'm guessing 8.0's on tires but the trap is what didn't add up to a car that traps 116+??? I guess I'll just stick to internet Boss 302's, they're a lot faster w/ incompetent drivers.

ignorant much... you must love to ignore the video i keep showing you of my friends boss running 11.9 at 115 in 2000+ da. How can you get a car to mph in the 8th if you cant get the car moving?

Arguing with a 3rd Gen owner will get you nowhere.

So a few ford guys attempted to answer my question: whats the difference between the BOSS and the regular 5.0, but the answer was not very specific. Whats the HP/TQ rating difference?

They have different gears correct? any other suspension differences? Just trying to figure out how my bolt-on A4 Z28 walked a 2012 5.0 (not a boss). And now people are telling me a Boss will "butt-fuck" a regular 5.0 yet no1 has specifically said whats different.

So a few ford guys attempted to answer my question: whats the difference between the BOSS and the regular 5.0, but the answer was not very specific. Whats the HP/TQ rating difference?

They have different gears correct? any other suspension differences? Just trying to figure out how my bolt-on A4 Z28 walked a 2012 5.0 (not a boss). And now people are telling me a Boss will "butt-fuck" a regular 5.0 yet no1 has specifically said whats different.

Ported heads, bigger cams, higher reving intake, forged bottom end. Its a c5 z06 in comparison to a c5. Its rated at 444hp but makes around 390whp stock. The boss takes a driver to make it fast. If you dont drive it properly, it wont impress you.

thanks EvanGTO87, whats the regular 5.0 rated at?

The regular 5.0 I raced seemed to shift pretty good, but maybe he wasn't reving high enough.

The only mods i had at the time were: lid, dynomax catback, no spare/jack back seats, free mods, crappy 245 tires on stock 16's. No-where near a full-bolt on car, still had my emissions crap and stock Ls1 intake too. Still walked by him after I finally got traction.

thanks EvanGTO87, whats the regular 5.0 rated at?

The regular 5.0 I raced seemed to shift pretty good, but maybe he wasn't reving high enough.

The only mods i had at the time were: lid, dynomax catback, no spare/jack back seats, free mods, crappy 245 tires on stock 16's. No-where near a full-bolt on car, still had my emissions crap and stock Ls1 intake too. Still walked by him after I finally got traction.

def beat a driver if you ask me. Good kill anyway. But the regular 5.0 is rated at 412hp. Usually dyno in the 360s

so whats all this nonsense i keep hearing from other fanbois that gt's dyno 380 at the rear wheels?

so whats all this nonsense i keep hearing from other fanbois that gt's dyno 380 at the rear wheels?

Some do. They pretty much fall into the same 360-380rwhp spread as the '03/'04 Cobras.

a nearly full bolt on boss only running 12:40's @ 117 mph? doesn't he know they are faster than that stock?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76KLvKyvYdo

A Boss trapping 112 in 1/4 in decent air with a decent driver means there is something wrong.

This same boss put a whoopin on a ZL1... He only pulled 2 cars on a 114mph car with mods.

This same boss put a whoopin on an ZL1... How he only pulled 2 cars on a 114mph car with mods isn't that impressive.

zl1's are stupid. once they heat soak they only run around 111 mph.

well you seem to have pre conceived notions before even opening the thread because obviously you missed the part where we changed drivers.
Yes...preconceived notions, based on fact. Not some jack posting up vids of him driving a Boss to lose against his own car. Just my opinion, so don't worry about caring too much.
i thought the boss was going to run away on my car in 3rd-- but they were basically a dead heat. i was pretty excited!

now for all the homos that get pissy the boss had 400 pounds worth of passengers in it and the ws6 had a lone 160 pound driver-- and no spare tire and jack either.

also forgot i have a ported TB as well.
Ohhhhhh, well you didn't say that at first, ptb makes all the difference :eyes:.
2011+ mustangs are over rated.
Just yours is ;)
Ok so your friend that don't know how to drive your car race you while you drove his boss but you couldn't manage to pull away? You don't know how to drive!
I guess 1+1=2 after all. Someone can't drive that's for sure :secret:.




**All I can say is congrats!! You beat a car you had no business beating, even with the weight difference. I guess that sums it up, Boss cars are slower than lid/catback ls1 cars. I knew it!! :bang:.

Again, it's pretty obvious what's what...but these are just my opinions, or "pre conceived notions", so I must be mistaken.

Wow arguments in a 5.0 related thread? I'm shocked. To answer an above question there is little difference between the production boss and the gt. Intake and some other things but yes the difference is crank 444hp while the 13' 5.0 like mine is 420hp crank. Now the real boss, the Laguna seca boss is a different animal. Comes with a race key that unlocks the full potential of the car. Although I doubt you'd see a real Laguna seca on a day to day basis. IMO this production "boss" is nothing special and not worth the extra pricetag. Kind of like the difference in 4th Gen camaros between ss and z28.

I'm guessing 8.0's on tires but the trap is what didn't add up to a car that traps 116+??? I guess I'll just stick to internet Boss 302's, they're a lot faster w/ incompetent drivers.

I agree. What's funny is there are several Boss owners that frequent this forum yet none of them can provide any drag strip data per their own personal experience, but will be quick to post an internet video of a car they know nothing about. :lol:

oh the irony.

Ported heads, bigger cams, higher reving intake, forged bottom end. Its a c5 z06 in comparison to a c5. Its rated at 444hp but makes around 390whp stock. The boss takes a driver to make it fast. If you dont drive it properly, it wont impress you.

In terms of upgrades but not in terms of actual performance. The C5Z was night and day compared to the base C5...as in not even close.

^^^Ya have to agree with this. Hey Red, you think this would be the case 9/10 times when racing a Boss vs. lid/catback ls1 car? Your thoughts...

okay to start the story off, a guy that works for me recently bought a yellow 2013 boss. very nice car. i've been bugging him for a while to race but he says he can't shift it worth shit.

anyway a friend of mine shows up to buy a trans from me. so we go out on the road and tune my 75 t\a for a while. the guy with the boss seen us so he stopped by. he figured it was time to run our cars. so i fired up the 02.

we try racing from a dig a couple times. both times he just spun a bit then blew 2nd. 1-2 shift is just horrible on that car.

so then we try from a 10 mph roll to eliminate the launch. he blew 2nd again. tried again--- he hit 2nd, and was about a length behind. but then he blew 3rd. okay i thought, this is no good. we weren't learing anything here.

my buddy was riding in the boss and recorded all the shenannigans.

the guy that owns the boss wanted me to drive his car-- i've driven it several times before and went through the gears a lot. 1-2 shift is a little tricky but after that it's alright. i was a little hesitant as nobody there has even driven my car before--- and the guy that owns the boss can't drive for shit. regardess, i threw the keys to my car to my other friend and said "run it through the gears a couple times then we'll line up". I did the same with the boss.

at this point the only guy with a camera was now driving my car so no vid from this point on :(

we lined up for a dig race. i called out "ready-set-GO!"

he got me by around a length out of the hole. then i made up about a fender with the boss at the top of 1st--- went to nail 2nd at 7250 rpm and BAM! nailed it! RFO! and we were away-- 2nd-3rd-4th--- top of 4th the boss made up about another fender then we let off. ws6 won by approx 3\4 of a car. right on. but that wasn't enough yet.

we line up again. i called it out again-- GO! this time i launched a little better as he only got my by aboot a 3rd of a car. i made up a touch at the top of 1st-- nailed 2nd-3rd-4th-- top of 4th the boss evened it up-- i shifted to 5th around 7300 rpm. the ws6 was at the top of fourth and pulled a foot or so away. i ran in 5th a bit then we shut down. basically dead even or the ws6 by a cunt hair. very very close! i'm guessing we shut down somewhere around 120 mph. the guy that owns the boss was riding with me just giggling.

the two cars were an awesome race! haven't had a close one like that in a long time. props to my buddy for just jumping in my car, and from never driving it before to driving like it like a champ!

the two cars--

the '13 boss-- bone stock, around 3500 miles on it and using the red key. boss had a passenger.

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt11/pinchnloaf/july172012080.jpg

my car-- 02 ws6, around 22,000 miles on it. CAI, diablo handheld tuner, ORY, cat back, z06 clutch and 295\50 mickey T DR's on the back.

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt11/pinchnloaf/bennybikecarandwedding072-1.jpg

check out my vids i posted today

LOL! You had to quote all that to say that? Jk :)

Wow arguments in a 5.0 related thread? I'm shocked. To answer an above question there is little difference between the production boss and the gt. Intake and some other things but yes the difference is crank 444hp while the 13' 5.0 like mine is 420hp crank. Now the real boss, the Laguna seca boss is a different animal. Comes with a race key that unlocks the full potential of the car. Although I doubt you'd see a real Laguna seca on a day to day basis. IMO this production "boss" is nothing special and not worth the extra pricetag. Kind of like the difference in 4th Gen camaros between ss and z28.

Forged internals and CNC machined heads with different cams is a bit more of a difference than the SS/Z28... and you can get the track key for the regular Boss as well.

^^^Ya have to agree with this. Hey Red, you think this would be the case 9/10 times when racing a Boss vs. lid/catback ls1 car? Your thoughts...

In all honesty, No! A lid/catback LS1 should be a 107-109mph trap car in ideal conditions. I just don't see one hanging with a BOSS but of course anything can happen.

...that's pretty much where I'm at with it too. Streets are the streets though I suppose...

Yes...preconceived notions, based on fact. Not some jack posting up vids of him driving a Boss to lose against his own car. Just my opinion, so don't worry about caring too much.


Again, it's pretty obvious what's what...but these are just my opinions, or "pre conceived notions", so I must be mistaken.

no no no. in the vid the owner of the boss was driving it and I was driving my car.

Well you said switched drivers so I conceded. I guess he can't drive after all? I dunno the reason you won, but you apparently won.

Well you said switched drivers so I conceded. I guess he can't drive after all? I dunno the reason you won, but you apparently won.

during the vid the owner of the boss was driving. he's a terrible driver. so then we switched because I wanted to see how the my car could really do against the boss. it went like this;

after the race in the vid (we tried several times)

then I drove the boss.

the camera man then drove my car. that's why he have no vids of when we were basically dead even.

108 mph car vs 117mph car. Wheres the hype?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76srI0Vp32M&feature=channel&list=UL

My buddies bone stock boss in 2000+ da. Since when does a lid/catback f body run those times?

This isn't your car, you have zero proof that its stock. It obviously has DR's and sounds like it has exhaust mods. Makes me wonder what else is actually done....also zero proof of the DA.

BTW I can post youtube videos too and claim there my best buddy... proves nothing...

carry-on :engarde:

This isn't your car, you have zero proof that its stock. It obviously has DR's and sounds like it has exhaust mods. Makes me wonder what else is actually done....also zero proof of the DA.

BTW I can post youtube videos too and claim there my best buddy... proves nothing...

carry-on :engarde:

he's using somebodys DR's for sure-- look at the rear rims. so who knows what else.

This isn't your car, you have zero proof that its stock. It obviously has DR's and sounds like it has exhaust mods. Makes me wonder what else is actually done....also zero proof of the DA.

BTW I can post youtube videos too and claim there my best buddy... proves nothing...

carry-on :engarde:

Evan and i both know this guy very well, it's not a random youtube vid.

The car was a few weeks old when it was run.

ONLY mod was DRs and he had a much better launch later in the day, but missed a shift on that pass.

Car is showroom stock besides the tires he borrowed when he went to the track.

And a Boss with the side-pipes honking is pretty damn loud.

Evan and i both know this guy very well, it's not a random youtube vid.

The car was a few weeks old when it was run.

ONLY mod was DRs and he had a much better launch later in the day, but missed a shift on that pass.

Car is showroom stock besides the tires he borrowed when he went to the track.

I can't fathom a DR-only Boss trapping 117 in +2000 DA. Seems a bit fast. Besides at first it was said the car was "stock", how well do you really know this guy? lol

i can't fathom a dr-only boss trapping 117 in +2000 da. Seems a bit fast. Besides at first it was said the car was "stock", how well do you really know this guy? Lol

115 =/= 117.

Either way the whole point seems moot imo. I just don't see the relevance of the vid, nor the claims. We're not stooping to lid/catback ls cars pulling on new Boss' s just to get wins here imo. We have enough to brag about without leg humping, and vids like this are a waste of time. That means shit, again imo.

115 =/= 117.

2000ft DA though?

Either way the whole point seems moot imo. I just don't see the relevance of the vid, nor the claims. We're not stooping to lid/catback ls cars pulling on new Boss' s just to get wins here imo. We have enough to brag about without leg humping, and vids like this are a waste of time. That means shit, again imo.

True.

Wow arguments in a 5.0 related thread? I'm shocked. To answer an above question there is little difference between the production boss and the gt. Intake and some other things but yes the difference is crank 444hp while the 13' 5.0 like mine is 420hp crank. Now the real boss, the Laguna seca boss is a different animal. Comes with a race key that unlocks the full potential of the car. Although I doubt you'd see a real Laguna seca on a day to day basis. IMO this production "boss" is nothing special and not worth the extra pricetag. Kind of like the difference in 4th Gen camaros between ss and z28.

this is a 110% wrong statement... the boss and the gt are completely different. The boss and the LS version are almost identical. There is literally 0 straight line performance difference. The LS comes with comp tires, a 1mm bigger rear sway bar, softer rear springs. The rest is all cosmetic. These cars have the exact same motor. And i have/had the "race key". Its a joke. Its a ricers version of a tune. Car is in no way faster, just does stupid things.

only on ls1tech.. ugh... I have personally raced that yellow boss i posted a video up of. I raced him with a catback/air intake... and i beat him fairly well. People stop trying to convince me that my friend isnt my friend... for the love of god.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLNUNyfmQfY

Heres another vid of that boss racing a GT that went 12.2 at 116. And if you dont believe me.... check out the user name "evanjrobinson"....hmmmmm..

Either way the whole point seems moot imo. I just don't see the relevance of the vid, nor the claims. We're not stooping to lid/catback ls cars pulling on new Boss' s just to get wins here imo. We have enough to brag about without leg humping, and vids like this are a waste of time. That means shit, again imo.

you mad bro?

This isn't your car, you have zero proof that its stock. It obviously has DR's and sounds like it has exhaust mods. Makes me wonder what else is actually done....also zero proof of the DA.

BTW I can post youtube videos too and claim there my best buddy... proves nothing...

carry-on :engarde:

They come with cut outs stock. Tied in to the exhaust as side exits. Makes them pretty loud.

Lol @ this debate.

The car went 115mph in 2000+ DA with tires only.

I've seen Evans car and robs (the track vid) personally run on many occasions.

Put a driver in a boss and it's a 117 car all day in good good air

lol...

you mad bro?

...lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qInGgDdvBiU

Not to referance that video again. But do you really think a lid/catback car would run like that?

Sorry guys I live in the real-world. Not youtube land. So your awesome soundtrack videos still prove nothing...

Before anyone thinks I blindly hate the 5.0 thats not the case. Its a well engineered motor, but it doesn't defy the laws of physics...while some ford owners seem to think it can.

Sorry guys I live in the real-world. Not youtube land. So your awesome soundtrack videos still prove nothing...

Before anyone thinks I blindly hate the 5.0 thats not the case. Its a well engineered motor, but it doesn't defy the laws of physics...while some ford owners seem to think it can.

"check out this bone stock boss"

"oops you noticed the DR's hey"

Sorry guys I live in the real-world. Not youtube land. So your awesome soundtrack videos still prove nothing...

Before anyone thinks I blindly hate the 5.0 thats not the case. Its a well engineered motor, but it doesn't defy the laws of physics...while some ford owners seem to think it can.

Plenty of real world vids in this thread.

"check out this bone stock boss"

"oops you noticed the DR's hey"

You're a fucking clown.

Your buddy managed to keep a <110mph fbody along side you when you were driving a 115+ car.

Learn to drive and STFU.

lmfao at the clowns in here. Somehow me posting a video of a friend of mines stock car ...er uh... race car because it has drag radials.... is irrelavent. Then i post a video of ME racing other cars that have gone down the track (all of which in the 11s at upper teen to low 120 mph, yet again, irrelavant. I hate humanity.....

Plenty of real world vids in this thread.



You're a fucking clown.

Your buddy managed to keep a <110mph fbody along side you when you were driving a 115+ car.

Learn to drive and STFU.

ever notice how everyone always thinks theyre the best driver... ugh. I think i have been impressed with maybe 3 people EVER on ls1tech.

Your credibility was shot on this thread when you claimed bone stock on first video posted with bad air. I have seen stock Bosses hit 116 at Cecil so I agree with your view

Your credibility was shot on this thread when you claimed bone stock on first video posted with bad air. I have seen stock Bosses hit 116 at Cecil so I agree with your view

are you referring to me? My buddies boss is the exact same car u see featured in this thread. He ran it with gt500 wheels on Nitto 555rs on the back. A borrowed curtousy wheel to attempt to get traction. He went 11.9 at 115 in 2000 da with a 1.72 60 ft. Later in the day hit a 1.64 60 ft but missed third gear. His corrected times based off sea level were 11.7 at 117... but either way.. he trapped 115 in bad air. That same air that makes a stock well driven f body trap almost 10mph slower. These 2 cars stock for stock... are no wheres near close. A lid/catback will not close that gap enough to make it close. Anyway who thinks so is just ignorant. Its the same comparison as if i were to say a bone stock boss 302 racing a bone stock c6 z06. They are not in the same league.. simple as that.

Plenty of real world vids in this thread.



You're a fucking clown.

Your buddy managed to keep a <110mph fbody along side you when you were driving a 115+ car.

Learn to drive and STFU.


i guess you're right. i mean, i only have had my CDL for yers and have been driving manuals since i was around 12 years old. but you're right.



you fanbois are hilarious.

ever notice how everyone always thinks theyre the best driver... ugh. I think i have been impressed with maybe 3 people EVER on ls1tech.

oh yeas everyone bowdown to evan. he's the only good driver here OMG you're so awesome! i heard you turned down being an astronaut fireman because the space fire truck was an auto ZOMG that's sticking to your guns bro you awesome as shit!

are you referring to me? My buddies boss is the exact same car u see featured in this thread. He ran it with gt500 wheels on Nitto 555rs on the back. A borrowed curtousy wheel to attempt to get traction. He went 11.9 at 115 in 2000 da with a 1.72 60 ft. Later in the day hit a 1.64 60 ft but missed third gear. His corrected times based off sea level were 11.7 at 117... but either way.. he trapped 115 in bad air. That same air that makes a stock well driven f body trap almost 10mph slower. These 2 cars stock for stock... are no wheres near close. A lid/catback will not close that gap enough to make it close. Anyway who thinks so is just ignorant. Its the same comparison as if i were to say a bone stock boss 302 racing a bone stock c6 z06. They are not in the same league.. simple as that.


facepalm

if you honestly think the 2 cars are equal, i have no further need to defend it. Toodles..

if you honestly think the 2 cars are equal, i have no further need to defend it. Toodles..

these two particular cars in the circumstances they were raced in were equal. i never said all ls1's > boss 302's. you just got pissy and assumed as such.

You're a fucking clown.

Your buddy managed to keep a <110mph fbody along side you when you were driving a 115+ car.

Learn to drive and STFU.

Stop defending your butt-buddy man. Shits getting old.

ever notice how everyone always thinks theyre the best driver... ugh. I think i have been impressed with maybe 3 people EVER on ls1tech.

:eyes:

How 'bout you take your car to the track, get some numbers of your own and then we can see how impressive of a driver you really are.

Your credibility was shot on this thread when you claimed bone stock on first video posted with bad air. I have seen stock Bosses hit 116 at Cecil so I agree with your view

Agreed. Funny how he now conveniently refers to that same car as stock with drag radials.

are you referring to me? My buddies boss is the exact same car u see featured in this thread. He ran it with gt500 wheels on Nitto 555rs on the back. A borrowed curtousy wheel to attempt to get traction. He went 11.9 at 115 in 2000 da with a 1.72 60 ft. Later in the day hit a 1.64 60 ft but missed third gear. His corrected times based off sea level were 11.7 at 117... but either way.. he trapped 115 in bad air. That same air that makes a stock well driven f body trap almost 10mph slower. These 2 cars stock for stock... are no wheres near close. A lid/catback will not close that gap enough to make it close. Anyway who thinks so is just ignorant. Its the same comparison as if i were to say a bone stock boss 302 racing a bone stock c6 z06. They are not in the same league.. simple as that.

Fucking kidding me right? :lol:

are you referring to me? My buddies boss is the exact same car u see featured in this thread. He ran it with gt500 wheels on Nitto 555rs on the back. A borrowed curtousy wheel to attempt to get traction. He went 11.9 at 115 in 2000 da with a 1.72 60 ft. Later in the day hit a 1.64 60 ft but missed third gear. His corrected times based off sea level were 11.7 at 117... but either way.. he trapped 115 in bad air. That same air that makes a stock well driven f body trap almost 10mph slower. These 2 cars stock for stock... are no wheres near close. A lid/catback will not close that gap enough to make it close. Anyway who thinks so is just ignorant. Its the same comparison as if i were to say a bone stock boss 302 racing a bone stock c6 z06. They are not in the same league.. simple as that.


Yes. I was trying to explain to you the reason you are catching a lot of flak,attacks about on your posts,doubt about the validity of your claims was due to your first video which you claimed was a bone stock car where its clearly not. Highly suspect that car was hitting that MPH up north in that kind of air but that's just me and I could be wrong. I agree that a Boss is faster(have seen low 12s 115-116MPH bone stock many many times at Cecil in good air) and with your points for the most part. A lid,exhaust car has no business hanging with a Boss or is capable of it with good driving/car in good shape but again anything can happen on the street. However I disagree with you calling other people names and insulting most people's driving ability from this section. That's pretty immature and no need to attack everyone.

i give up on society... i really do. I posted a video of my friends car with just a drag radial... and people are actually bitching its not a stock car. So when you guys claim stock car runs a decent time when it has a full exhaust... thats not an even worse comparison... please. I posted that video in point thats how fast the car is. The op raced the exact same car on the roll (pretty sure drag radials wont make this car any faster from a roll, and if thats your arguement, i rest my case).... supposedly was side by side with it. The op must have a 115-116 mph lid/catback car. If no one sees that point, again.... case = rested.

actually im just gonna jump on the ignorant bandwagon...

stock f body = stock boss 302

bolt on f body = 2013 GT500

H/C f body = space shuttle

I think the point was seen (by most), it's just the execution that they had a problem with.

I think the point was seen (by most), it's just the execution that they had a problem with.

if you go back and read... u will see that i posted it has drag radials.. my point is the MPH...115mph vs 107mph... Drag radials dont make a car accelerate faster on the roll. If thats the case... i need some drag radials asap. Not attacking you... im just pissed off at how ignorant people can actually be and will pick anything apart to swing an argument in there favor.

Whats the worlds fastest bone stock f body (it can have drag radials because im not gonna bitch about that) run at the track? Ill even take he said/she said answers/rumors of what it is.

Stop defending your butt-buddy man. Shits getting old.


Lol 2 posts and shit's getting old? BTW i'm not so much defending Evan as i am defending the car from the misconceptions ITT.

If you're going to NED you're probably going to want to leave your street tires home. Prep can be very poor, which is why Rob borrowed DRs.

You're right though. I don't know Evan or Rob (Yellow Boss in the vid), i've never seen either car race, have no idea what their mods are, have not seen 2 separate stock Boss 302s trap 115+ in mediocre air, and generally don't have a clue what i'm talking about.

All the video evidence to the contrary must be lies and/or computer generations, right?

:jest:

Lol 2 posts and shit's getting old? BTW i'm not so much defending Evan as i am defending the car from the misconceptions ITT.

If you're going to NED you're probably going to want to leave your street tires home. Prep can be very poor, which is why Rob borrowed DRs.

You're right though. I don't know Evan or Rob (Yellow Boss in the vid), i've never seen either car race, have no idea what their mods are, have not seen 2 separate stock Boss 302s trap 115+ in mediocre air, and generally don't have a clue what i'm talking about.

All the video evidence to the contrary must be lies and/or computer generations, right?

:jest:

stop defending me nutswinger!!!

i give up on society... i really do. I posted a video of my friends car with just a drag radial... and people are actually bitching its not a stock car. So when you guys claim stock car runs a decent time when it has a full exhaust... thats not an even worse comparison... please. I posted that video in point thats how fast the car is. The op raced the exact same car on the roll (pretty sure drag radials wont make this car any faster from a roll, and if thats your arguement, i rest my case).... supposedly was side by side with it. The op must have a 115-116 mph lid/catback car. If no one sees that point, again.... case = rested.


I think you need to read your posts and the responses after a deep breath. No one is attacking you and you seem to be over reacting.

I think the point was seen (by most), it's just the execution that they had a problem with.

Exactly

if you go back and read... u will see that i posted it has drag radials.. my point is the MPH...115mph vs 107mph... Drag radials dont make a car accelerate faster on the roll. If thats the case... i need some drag radials asap. Not attacking you... im just pissed off at how ignorant people can actually be and will pick anything apart to swing an argument in there favor.

Whats the worlds fastest bone stock f body (it can have drag radials because im not gonna bitch about that) run at the track? Ill even take he said/she said answers/rumors of what it is.

That is not what you said in your first post. And what does the fastest Fbody on drs have to do with anything. I think maybe you are having a bad day.

Here is word by word what you posted on your vid. And again anyone with a brain knows it takes a cammed Fbody LS1 to hang with a stock Boss in capable hands in each car so RELAX.

"My buddies bone stock boss in 2000+ da. Since when does a lid/catback f body run those times?"

No mention of DRs. That's why some members attacked you. DRs and borrowed rims don't equal bone stock. So if some members who don't know about Bosses in term of power,hate Mustangs(especially 5.0s since they are threatened by them since most kids are broke and can't make their cars faster) or are just plain ignorant are not going to beleive you and attack due to that post and wonder if what other details are left out. Again its the street anything can happen. No a bolt on Fbody unless its tin can with slicks etc etc can hang with a well driven Boss. I think everyone knows that. No need to resort to name calling and immature posts laced with hyperboles on how fast certain cars are. Makes you look bad... one reason this kill section blows away crybaby sights like SVT forums is due to the lack of this.

looks like i'm not the only one that has trouble with gears locking out with the boss

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/2012-boss-302-mustang-373/872074-have-you-had-transmission-issues.html

actually im just gonna jump on the ignorant bandwagon...

stock f body = stock boss 302




is that what people are saying? why are you getting all pissy?

like all cars... some have lemon trans. I actually had a good trans. But it cant handle my abuse. Im currently looking for some carbon synchros and anything else i can to beef it up. Im not dealing with stealerships or warrantys anymore. Theres no crazy magic to these trans. If your having an issue. Open it up and fix it. Thats what im doing. I just hope it helps it last a bit longer. If not, im converting to a tremec

like all cars... some have lemon trans. I actually had a good trans. But it cant handle my abuse. Im currently looking for some carbon synchros and anything else i can to beef it up. Im not dealing with stealerships or warrantys anymore. Theres no crazy magic to these trans. If your having an issue. Open it up and fix it. Thats what im doing. I just hope it helps it last a bit longer. If not, im converting to a tremec

Just a suggestion, let them fix / replace your trans then sell it or part it out to fund your next one

Just a suggestion, let them fix / replace your trans then sell it or part it out to fund your next one

ive thought about that... but they screw up so much shit in the process of taking it out, its not worth it. Flat rate mechanics...

Still don't see the relevance of the thread at all, although it's fun to post up in such threads. Lid catback ls1 < Boss. It is what it is.... For the record I really don't like Mustangs, never have. There are a few that I actually think are pretty cool cars, but I'd never own one. I also happen to know that a lid/catback ls1 isn't setting the world on fire. Op-what's your point? Do you think this is the logical outcome when facing these two cars off in the same scenario with the same circumstances 9/10 times...or do you acknowledge a fluke is a fluke? Just wondering where you're at with the thought process part.

With my old bolt-on T/A I took a new 5.0 from a 10 mph roll up to about 90, but i didnt smoke him by any means, and the 5.0 had dealer plates so he was pry still getting used to it. Still pretty damn impressive that the old ls1's can still pack quite a punch to all these new cars :cool:

Still don't see the relevance of the thread at all, although it's fun to post up in such threads. Lid catback ls1 < Boss. It is what it is.... For the record I really don't like Mustangs, never have. There are a few that I actually think are pretty cool cars, but I'd never own one. I also happen to know that a lid/catback ls1 isn't setting the world on fire. Op-what's your point? Do you think this is the logical outcome when facing these two cars off in the same scenario with the same circumstances 9/10 times...or do you acknowledge a fluke is a fluke? Just wondering where you're at with the thought process part.


maybe i'm dumb for posting a racing story in the racing story section. and maybe you can't read dun good.

in this scenario my car was every bit as fast as the boss. do i expect that outcome all the time? no. i work with the guy i'm sure we'll race again at some point. do i expect you to freak out again when my car is hanging with the boss in the next vid? yes.

Lol, yes I may freak out.

i guess you're right. i mean, i only have had my CDL for yers and have been driving manuals since i was around 12 years old. but you're right.

That explains it all! You were shifting the boss at 4000rpm!

Beat to death but these cars are not even close. A stock boss would spank my car let alone a near stock one.


EVAN - as far as I know fastest stock (DRs) fbody was tuggs at 12.6 with a 110 trap.

That explains it all! You were shifting the boss at 4000rpm!

Beat to death but these cars are not even close. A stock boss would spank my car let alone a near stock one.


EVAN - as far as I know fastest stock (DRs) fbody was tuggs at 12.6 with a 110 trap.

well not to beat a dead horse... but 12.6 at 110 (best so far on drag radials) vs my friends very normal run (certainly not the fastest) of 11.9 at 115. But either way... it is what it is...

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