Street Racing & Kill Stories - 800whp ZR1 vs 800whp Evo
TheHitman
08-15-2012, 10:14 AM
Two fast ass cars!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLVjeGSolsc&feature=plcp
willizm
08-15-2012, 10:26 AM
Saw this last night. Such a badass race.
ohioborn80
08-15-2012, 10:31 AM
Looked like evo was going to walk him bad if he wouldn't have missed 4th.
Beans
08-15-2012, 11:53 AM
Looked like evo was going to walk him bad if he wouldn't have missed 4th.
+1
That vette was going to get pulled hard!
2SSARME
08-15-2012, 11:57 AM
Bullshit that zr1 has 800rwhp. No way a 150 trap evo is going to walk a 8xxrwhp zr1 at higher speeds.
Badass nonetheless. ZR1 was going to get raped.
ZYBORG
08-15-2012, 12:14 PM
Yeap ZR1 was about to get raped!!!
ohioborn80
08-15-2012, 12:28 PM
just shows how two similair whp cars can be apart on rolls. Like the M3 and me. But then at the track i run almost 2 seconds faster then him.
clonedws6
08-15-2012, 12:34 PM
That Evo is just stooooopid. But an Evo having trans problems???!! You never see that! :p lol
SSickLS1SS
08-15-2012, 12:39 PM
proud evo owner right hereeeeeeeeee :D
LightningTeg
08-15-2012, 12:40 PM
That EVO hauls ass.
willizm
08-15-2012, 01:07 PM
That EVO hauls ass.
Sometimes you got to pick up the children and grab some groceries really f'n fast. lol. I love those cars. over 400whp per liter of displacement.
Redfire 03
08-15-2012, 01:52 PM
Great runs, two very fast cars!
Now with said, both cars SURELY aren't making the same power, not during this run at least.
2SSARME
08-15-2012, 01:58 PM
Great runs, two very fast cars!
Now with said, both cars SURELY aren't making the same power, not during this run at least.
x2
Looked like a pullied ZR1 TBH.
Redfire 03
08-15-2012, 02:11 PM
x2
Looked like a pullied ZR1 TBH.
Most likely, or the EVO was making more than 800 or 830awhp or whatever its supposedly making. lol
LightningTeg
08-15-2012, 02:42 PM
And finally, someone got smart and put a tall final drive in a fast evo! I was wondering why he wasnt shifting his dick off
racerfox
08-15-2012, 02:48 PM
lol fast ass evo starting to like those cars more and more. the zr1 got walked hard back to the drawing bored for that zr1
2SSARME
08-15-2012, 02:51 PM
lol fast ass evo starting to like those cars more and more. the zr1 got walked hard back to the drawing bored for that zr1
Clearly the Evo is pushing tons more power than the ZR1........
If he claims 8xx rwhp ZR1 that's a 150+ trap car. No way a 150 trap evo should be that much faster.
dsmfan95
08-15-2012, 02:53 PM
And finally, someone got smart and put a tall final drive in a fast evo! I was wondering why he wasnt shifting his dick off
Every video I've seen of this Evo, he has trouble finding 4th. Someone needs to get him a map.
Redfire 03
08-15-2012, 03:01 PM
Clearly the Evo is pushing tons more power than the ZR1........
If he claims 8xx rwhp ZR1 that's a 150+ trap car. No way a 150 trap evo should be that much faster.
Don't waste your time man, they won't get it.
TheHitman
08-15-2012, 03:03 PM
The ZR1 is a legitimate 800whp. Build thread:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-corvette-zr1/3100513-806whp-815wtq-zr1-build-dallas-performance.html
That Evo is just really fast car.
Redfire 03
08-15-2012, 03:08 PM
The ZR1 is a legitimate 800whp. Build thread:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-corvette-zr1/3100513-806whp-815wtq-zr1-build-dallas-performance.html
That Evo is just really fast car.
Well duh, it obviously makes a good bit more power than the Z!
On a side note, why does the title say 800awhp but in the vid it states "830awhp"? How much power is the EVO actually making?
Balt2nv
08-15-2012, 03:21 PM
So just asking a question here and I'm sure I will get some intelligent answers and I'm sure I'll get those wonderful YouTube answers. Anyways so in this video the cars r suppose to be evenly matched HP wise yet every1 is crying that the EVO must make a ton more power the way he walked back on the ZR1 after he missed 4th. So my food for thought here is why can a less HP car run down and beat a more HP car? To me it could be gearing or how the power is put down. Just wondering why every thinks this video is BS?
TheHitman
08-15-2012, 03:22 PM
It's supposedly makes 830whp. I don't know what dyno the Evo was on or anything else like that but pdv25 or TRC know the guy. Those florida cars man...
TheHitman
08-15-2012, 03:28 PM
So just asking a question here and I'm sure I will get some intelligent answers and I'm sure I'll get those wonderful YouTube answers. Anyways so in this video the cars r suppose to be evenly matched HP wise yet every1 is crying that the EVO must make a ton more power the way he walked back on the ZR1 after he missed 4th. So my food for thought here is why can a less HP car run down and beat a more HP car? To me it could be gearing or how the power is put down. Just wondering why every thinks this video is BS?
It's because Corvettes are well sorted cars that are great at roll racing. Usually when people see Corvettes running other cars, most of the time the other car weighs more or has a peakier powerband than the Corvette. Very few cars are actually able to overcome the power to weight or powerband advantage a Corvette has from a higher roll. Look up races between Supras and Corvettes or GT500's and Corvettes and you will see what everyone is talking about.
On the other side of the coin, Evos aren't known to be good from higher rolls due to drag from bad aero (bad for top end pulls) and peaky powerbands from a big turbo on a 2.0L inline 4. Lets not forget short gearing.
Redfire 03
08-15-2012, 03:31 PM
It's supposedly makes 830whp. I don't know what dyno the Evo was on or anything else like that but pdv25 or TRC know the guy. Those florida cars man...
Thanks for the input! Not bashing the EVO as I've alway been a fan, it just hauls like it has a bit more power than advertised.
2SSARME
08-15-2012, 03:32 PM
So just asking a question here and I'm sure I will get some intelligent answers and I'm sure I'll get those wonderful YouTube answers. Anyways so in this video the cars r suppose to be evenly matched HP wise yet every1 is crying that the EVO must make a ton more power the way he walked back on the ZR1 after he missed 4th. So my food for thought here is why can a less HP car run down and beat a more HP car? To me it could be gearing or how the power is put down. Just wondering why every thinks this video is BS?
Because an 800rwhp ZR1 will be 150-160 trap car. That evo claims to be 150. Yet he walks the vette as if the vette is a stock c6.
Think about it. An 800RWHP ZR1 is NOT going to get walked by an 800AWHP EVO. Between turbo lag and aerodynamics a top mount zr1 would have pulled a bus on him if he had traction.
Evo is quick, just either has more power or the ZR1 doesn't have as much as claimed (which is what I think).
Balt2nv
08-15-2012, 03:37 PM
Because an 800rwhp ZR1 will be 150-160 trap car. That evo claims to be 150. Yet he walks the vette as if the vette is a stock c6.
Think about it. An 800RWHP ZR1 is NOT going to get walked by an 800AWHP EVO. Between turbo lag and aerodynamics a top mount zr1 would have pulled a bus on him if he had traction.
Evo is quick, just either has more power or the ZR1 doesn't have as much as claimed (which is what I think).
I'm getting the trap speed thing don't get me wrong. I do believe the numbers aren't 100% correct. Now even if the numbers r from a 60roll I don't see a ton of boost lag being a factor or even break boosting will cause for such a massive leap ahead by the Evo. Still would like to see a rematch without the miss of 4th to get a accurate pull on the two.
willizm
08-15-2012, 03:38 PM
Because an 800rwhp ZR1 will be 150-160 trap car. That evo claims to be 150. Yet he walks the vette as if the vette is a stock c6.
Think about it. An 800RWHP ZR1 is NOT going to get walked by an 800AWHP EVO. Between turbo lag and aerodynamics a top mount zr1 would have pulled a bus on him if he had traction.
Evo is quick, just either has more power or the ZR1 doesn't have as much as claimed (which is what I think).
I have to agree with this. If they were really that close power wise I'd imagine the race would have been much closer or at least a steady walk by one or the other. That evo missed, recovered and still blasted past the vette. I still love both cars, but I can't help but scratch my head and ask why were they so far apart.
2SSARME
08-15-2012, 03:41 PM
I'm getting the trap speed thing don't get me wrong. I do believe the numbers aren't 100% correct. Now even if the numbers r from a 60roll I don't see a ton of boost lag being a factor or even break boosting will cause for such a massive leap ahead by the Evo. Still would like to see a rematch without the miss of 4th to get a accurate pull on the two.
Well the ZR1 has stock blower it seems so he has A LOT MORE torque than that evo down low. That evo will have to get into rpm to catch up, but the ZR1 if he had that power would've walked the evo as speeds got higher. Between aerodynamics and the loss that awd gives you at higher speeds all I see are fudged numbers here.
Also that ZR1 wasn't breaking loose at all. All vids I have seen of high hp vettes they easily break loose at 60mph... just something to think about.
Redfire 03
08-15-2012, 03:44 PM
I'm getting the trap speed thing don't get me wrong. I do believe the numbers aren't 100% correct. Now even if the numbers r from a 60roll I don't see a ton of boost lag being a factor or even break boosting will cause for such a massive leap ahead by the Evo. Still would like to see a rematch without the miss of 4th to get a accurate pull on the two.
Pull your head out your ass. It's not rocket science now. :)
2SSARME
08-15-2012, 03:52 PM
Pull your head out your ass. It's not rocket science now. :)
I wonder if that eaton is even capable of 800rwhp.
stockz
08-15-2012, 03:54 PM
The EVO Is BADDDD**** Period.
TheHitman
08-15-2012, 03:58 PM
Read the thread I posted from Corvetteforum. The ZR1 is indeed making 800whp, give or take for conditions. It has the modifications, has the backing from the shop, even the actual owner admitted the car was making the power.
I think heat can be another serious factor as a PD blower will generate more heat than a turbo. They only did one run so we can't know for certain. The ZR1 owner wants a rematch as well.
UBoysPlayBall?
08-15-2012, 04:04 PM
I wonder if that eaton is even capable of 800rwhp.
Yes its possible, seen a few do it. Not sure with how much boost....the car in the vid was running 14# fwiw.
2SSARME
08-15-2012, 04:05 PM
PD blower will be fine for a few runs. My maggie, which runs A LOT HOTTER than an eaton will take about 5-6 consistent pulls until heat soak becomes an issue.
If that ZR1 truly is what the thread claims then that evo must be pushing 4 digit power.
TheHitman
08-15-2012, 04:12 PM
I think you guys didn't see one of the mods the evo has, which is the upgraded final drive. The longer gearing helps it take advantage of that extra power it's making, especially with it revving to 8.5-9k rpms.
I don't know of any street evo's making 4 digit power and the ones that I've seen at those power levels are revving to 10k.
This is a 1000whp evo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=ESluRK3kdM8&NR=1
UBoysPlayBall?
08-15-2012, 04:42 PM
I think you guys didn't see one of the mods the evo has, which is the upgraded final drive. The longer gearing helps it take advantage of that extra power it's making, especially with it revving to 8.5-9k rpms.
I don't know of any street evo's making 4 digit power and the ones that I've seen at those power levels are revving to 10k.
This is a 1000whp evo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=ESluRK3kdM8&NR=1
Whatever the case, its obvious to every educated person in here those two cars are not BOTH making 800whp. No how, no way would either car be able to miss 4th and then rocket past the other as if it were standing still. That EVO doesn't have to push 4 digits to walk away like that. A high 800's/900awhp EVO (and they are out there) will walk a 800whp C6 like that.
Also, why are there two different dyno numbers advertised for the EVO?
willizm
08-15-2012, 04:50 PM
Dyno's could be a big difference too. Lets say the vette was on a happy dynojet in cool weather and the evo was on a heart breaker mustang in 100 degree weather. Factor in a little heat soak on the vette during that run and that could be enough of a difference to be that far apart. The devils in the details. Could even be a boost leak on the vette. Either way, badass cars are badass.
wicked383lt1
08-15-2012, 04:54 PM
Just asking...don't those Evo's weight 26xx and some change?
UBoysPlayBall?
08-15-2012, 05:12 PM
Just asking...don't those Evo's weight 26xx and some change?
Nope, over 3000lbs. Not as light as they look.
01 FiveNine RT
08-15-2012, 05:12 PM
That Evo is no joke top end
TheHitman
08-15-2012, 05:30 PM
Dyno's could be a big difference too. Lets say the vette was on a happy dynojet in cool weather and the evo was on a heart breaker mustang in 100 degree weather. Factor in a little heat soak on the vette during that run and that could be enough of a difference to be that far apart. The devils in the details. Could even be a boost leak on the vette. Either way, badass cars are badass.
Bingo. Also Evos are 3100 lbs to the ZR1's 3300lbs.
2StepsAhead
08-15-2012, 06:40 PM
Mine was 3100 with weight reduction, mr's and gsr's with the ssl package are even heavier
ohioborn80
08-15-2012, 06:55 PM
Buddy just made over 800awhp with basically same setup as this evo. He also made mid 600awtq. When he was at 650awhp break boosting he was killing vettes with same power.
Mike Morris
08-15-2012, 07:22 PM
Great runs, two very fast cars!
Now with said, both cars SURELY aren't making the same power, not during this run at least.
For sure. I think the EVO might be about 200 pounds lighter but its a brick top end compared to the Vette.
Clearly the Evo is pushing tons more power than the ZR1........
If he claims 8xx rwhp ZR1 that's a 150+ trap car. No way a 150 trap evo should be that much faster.
I agree
Every video I've seen of this Evo, he has trouble finding 4th. Someone needs to get him a map.
Uh oh...
The ZR1 is a legitimate 800whp. Build thread:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-corvette-zr1/3100513-806whp-815wtq-zr1-build-dallas-performance.html
That Evo is just really fast car.
I think that EVO is pushing some unreal power and more than the Vette
Because an 800rwhp ZR1 will be 150-160 trap car. That evo claims to be 150. Yet he walks the vette as if the vette is a stock c6.
Think about it. An 800RWHP ZR1 is NOT going to get walked by an 800AWHP EVO. Between turbo lag and aerodynamics a top mount zr1 would have pulled a bus on him if he had traction.
Evo is quick, just either has more power or the ZR1 doesn't have as much as claimed (which is what I think).
I think the EVO is a lot more power....
Nice vids and runs. That ZR1 at idle sounds NASTY
s346k
08-15-2012, 07:33 PM
That ZR1 at idle sounds NASTYlolwut?
that thing sounds like my stock fbody at idle.
i think that evo is making a bit more power than the owner states. i'm pretty sure a local one was making over 900 and trapping 149-151 at full weight with a dogbox.
TheHitman
08-15-2012, 07:40 PM
There are way too many variables. If you know a thing or two about Evos, making 1000whp in a street car would be a pretty tough task. Even with the stroker motor.
GIO-305
08-15-2012, 07:58 PM
The EVO was the clear winner that day.
ohioborn80
08-15-2012, 08:16 PM
lolwut?
that thing sounds like my stock fbody at idle.
i think that evo is making a bit more power than the owner states. i'm pretty sure a local one was making over 900 and trapping 149-151 at full weight with a dogbox.
Maybe not..local one trapped 139 with 620whp and 144 with 720. The 800whp one here trapped 148. That was last weekend and it was over 100 at track.
Redfire 03
08-15-2012, 08:23 PM
Maybe not..local one trapped 139 with 620whp and 144 with 720. The 800whp one here trapped 148. That was last weekend and it was over 100 at track.
It was stated the EVO in this vid trapped 151. For comparison, LPE's ZR1 trapped 145-146 with 700whp. An 800whp ZR1 is a 150mph+ car in the 1/4 easy, no doubt about it. EVO in the vid looks closer to high 800's/900awhp which is plausible.
s346k
08-15-2012, 08:23 PM
at full weight? also the local car has a fairly large driver. also consider the da here sucks, as well.
ohioborn80
08-15-2012, 08:45 PM
It was stated the EVO in this vid trapped 151. For comparison, LPE's ZR1 trapped 145-146 with 700whp. An 800whp ZR1 is a 150mph+ car in the 1/4 easy, no doubt about it. EVO in the vid looks closer to high 800's/900awhp which is plausible.
Yes but we don't know what one in question did that 151 trap in. Take either of the two I mentioned and have them run when it isn't 100* and da of almost 3900 and I bet they gain 3-4mph each.
Redfire 03
08-15-2012, 08:53 PM
Yes but we don't know what one in question did that 151 trap in. Take either of the two I mentioned and have them run when it isn't 100* and da of almost 3900 and I bet they gain 3-4mph each.
I wouldn't doubt it.
ZYBORG
08-15-2012, 09:31 PM
Please please please quit making excuses for that vette.. wtf? The ZR got his shit pushed in, perriod.
Dyno numbers dont mean shit, not sure why people dont get that thru their head.
ohioborn80
08-15-2012, 09:33 PM
Please please please quit making excuses for that vette.. wtf? The ZR got his shit pushed in, perriod.
Dyno numbers dont mean shit, not sure why people dont get that thru their head.
True...
Beans
08-15-2012, 09:55 PM
Please please please quit making excuses for that vette.. wtf? The ZR got his shit pushed in, perriod.
Dyno numbers dont mean shit, not sure why people dont get that thru their head.
You've got to be one of the coolest vette owners out there.
midevil1
08-16-2012, 01:12 AM
Please please please quit making excuses for that vette.. wtf? The ZR got his shit pushed in, perriod.
Dyno numbers dont mean shit, not sure why people dont get that thru their head.
AMEN! I despise the Vette because of it's "Baby Dick" driver's..
Nothing on this planet is faster than a vette, especially not a 4 banger...
2SSARME
08-16-2012, 01:15 AM
^^^^
Someone clearly got beat by one too many vettes.
GIO-305
08-16-2012, 01:47 AM
^^^^
Someone clearly got beat by one too many vettes.
:D tell me about it...
2000 Tran Zam
08-16-2012, 01:52 AM
Well the ZR1 has stock blower it seems so he has A LOT MORE torque than that evo down low. That evo will have to get into rpm to catch up, but the ZR1 if he had that power would've walked the evo as speeds got higher. Between aerodynamics and the loss that awd gives you at higher speeds all I see are fudged numbers here.
Also that ZR1 wasn't breaking loose at all. All vids I have seen of high hp vettes they easily break loose at 60mph... just something to think about.
i make 770 to the wheel and with 315 mickey thompson drag radials I still have issues hooking in the top of 3rd and im 4000 lbs. I dont think he makes 8xxrwhp, at least not in that video.
lemons12
08-16-2012, 01:55 AM
Is that the black one from Murfreesboro?? The one that in that 6 min tnrace.net video ran the 1000 and pulled it a couple lengths?
TransAmcoupe98
08-16-2012, 02:09 AM
Evo is nasty for sure. I dont see the Zr1 making that much power, and the Evo making more. Once the Evo found 4th after the miss, it IMMEDIATELY stopped the pull and started raping again. A 30 whp difference will not make up ground that quick. More like 80-100 whp. It would be so easy for the Evo to turn up the boost to rape him if he was worried, I would have. Props to the Evo!
TheHitman
08-16-2012, 02:40 AM
i make 770 to the wheel and with 315 mickey thompson drag radials I still have issues hooking in the top of 3rd and im 4000 lbs. I dont think he makes 8xxrwhp, at least not in that video.
Why don't you ask the ZR1 owner himself. He is GIO-305.
LS1rob00
08-16-2012, 02:53 AM
Yikes...that was hard to watch. Poor ZR1.
I guess I'll jump on the bandwagon though, Evo has to have more than 800awhp.
lemons12
08-16-2012, 03:28 AM
Is this the Evo in Mboro Hitman?
adamantium
08-16-2012, 04:44 AM
EVO has been making that exact same power for a WHILE now. Look up ram1320 his vids are all over, recently he has learned to drive his car better and i guess he did that FD swap. IMO, the EVO pulled the ZR1 like it was traping 10mph more. To miss that hard and get it in and still pull the ZR1 that hard is crazy. That ZR1 has probably one of the mildest "cam" ive ever heard in my life. Sounds stock to me.
TheHitman
08-16-2012, 04:47 AM
Is this the Evo in Mboro Hitman?
That's in SoFLA, Mexico. :burn:
SickDenali
08-16-2012, 06:53 AM
It's like seeing your hero get his ass whooped. Painful to watch.
2SSARME
08-16-2012, 07:19 AM
That ZR1 has probably one of the mildest "cam" ive ever heard in my life. Sounds stock to me.
Didn't want to say it but you hit the nail spot on.
NOLAG05
08-16-2012, 07:37 AM
2nd that...:gruffy:
It's like seeing your hero get his ass whooped. Painful to watch.
big hammer
08-16-2012, 07:46 AM
evos are gay.
Tracked350Z
08-16-2012, 07:51 AM
Bedtime.
TransAmcoupe98
08-16-2012, 08:01 AM
People need to realise. It's not all about how much power you make. But how you make the power. An Evo that's running that kind of boost is more then likely seeing a good 8-8.5k rpm. Maybe even 9k. His dyno sheet I bet is way off in right field. Add the 4.10's to the mix and that car is a top end monster. The 4 and 6 cylinder engines with monster turbos and equal power to the V8's have one advantage and that's making hp at a ridiculously high rpm. It's what makes the UGR Gallardo's fast, the Supra's, M3's etc etc. All have one thing in common. Low displacement high revving engines and all rev beyond 8k rpm. Think about it.
:huh:
LightningTeg
08-16-2012, 08:27 AM
http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/n725075089-288918-2774.jpg
Tracked350Z
08-16-2012, 08:35 AM
:huh:
Let me try to simplify it. Car X makes 800 RWHP and 600 rwtq and has a great 3k-6k rpm powerband, power tapers off approaching 6500 rpm which is the shifting point for car X. Car X also has a large displacement engine. Car Y makes 800 rwhp and 450 rwtq but at 8k rpm and is a low displacement 6 cyl engine. Both cars weigh the exact same, and also have transmissions to match their powerbands. From a roll; I guarantee every time Car Y is going to get the win because of how it makes its power. Now this doesn't work every time as there is many many other factors. But most of the time it usually goes toward the lower displacement car.
Tracked350Z
08-16-2012, 08:37 AM
http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/n725075089-288918-2774.jpg
I am going to bed so it may make more sense when I wake up in the AM.
NOLAG05
08-16-2012, 08:40 AM
Not tryin to be an azz but you do know that the UGR Gallardo's are V10's...
Bedtime.
RickClarke23
08-16-2012, 09:05 AM
I don't see the confusion. The Vette may have made 800hp on a dyno. So what lots of dynos read different. Looks like it's a 140-142 car. The Evo is DEFINITELY all of the 151 he claims.
2SSARME
08-16-2012, 10:15 AM
I call a 15-20mph difference in trap speed... To fudge up 4th then be able to hit and and come right around?
Redfire 03
08-16-2012, 10:34 AM
Please please please quit making excuses for that vette.. wtf? The ZR got his shit pushed in, perriod.
Dyno numbers dont mean shit, not sure why people dont get that thru their head.
The word "period" is spelled with one r bro not two. :)
SGCZR1
08-16-2012, 10:35 AM
There is at least a 10-12 mph trap speed difference between those cars.
That Zr1 will need 150 more at the tires to run with the Evo. Had the Evo not missed a gear like that it would have pulled at least 5 cars.
Stop comparing tuners cars with less HP and trap speeds. Is what YOUR CAR does with YOU driving at YOUR track.
Take this ZR1 to a dyno to double check, and run it at the track. In south Fla. no 800 rw vette is going to trap 150 in the summer, probably needs close to 1k at the tires with a 6 spd. to do it.
Gio, you"ve said you had issues, what kind of issues? Why don't you re-dyno the car to see what hp is exactly doing?
You are going to need 150 at the tires more from whatever you make in Miami to run with this Evo judging by this race.
Beutifull ZR1!
Redfire 03
08-16-2012, 10:36 AM
I call a 15-20mph difference in trap speed... To fudge up 4th then be able to hit and and come right around?
x2 :nod:
2SSARME
08-16-2012, 10:56 AM
Take this ZR1 to a dyno to double check, and run it at the track. In south Fla. no 800 rw vette is going to trap 150 in the summer, probably needs close to 1k at the tires with a 6 spd. to do it.
Da ignorance in dis 1 is plentifULZZZZZ
TransAmcoupe98
08-16-2012, 10:56 AM
Let me try to simplify it. Car X makes 800 RWHP and 600 rwtq and has a great 3k-6k rpm powerband, power tapers off approaching 6500 rpm which is the shifting point for car X. Car X also has a large displacement engine. Car Y makes 800 rwhp and 450 rwtq but at 8k rpm and is a low displacement 6 cyl engine. Both cars weigh the exact same, and also have transmissions to match their powerbands. From a roll; I guarantee every time Car Y is going to get the win because of how it makes its power. Now this doesn't work every time as there is many many other factors. But most of the time it usually goes toward the lower displacement car.
I see the point you are trying to make...but its not necessarily correct. Its like saying 40% of the time it works all the time.
TransAmcoupe98
08-16-2012, 10:59 AM
.
Take this ZR1 to a dyno to double check, and run it at the track. In south Fla. no 800 rw vette is going to trap 150 in the summer, probably needs close to 1k at the tires with a 6 spd. to do it.
Beutifull ZR1!
:cry:
:nono:
willizm
08-16-2012, 11:17 AM
I see the point you are trying to make...but its not necessarily correct. Its like saying 40% of the time it works all the time.
:lol:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EIWTr-LbPYg/SS8ec3N7pyI/AAAAAAAAAFo/ZjyTz7iK7e4/s400/SexPanther1.jpg
GIO-305
08-16-2012, 11:49 AM
Gio, you"ve said you had issues, what kind of issues? Why don't you re-dyno the car to see what hp is exactly doing?
You are going to need 150 at the tires more from whatever you make in Miami to run with this Evo judging by this race.
Beutifull ZR1!
Thanks
Im not going to get into it because the evo is the clear winner and I don't need to make excuses why I lost. The evo owner was over at my house the next day to find the issue and it was found. Getting it fixed now and we will run again to see if I can close that gap.:thumb:
lemons12
08-16-2012, 12:54 PM
Since when does a car that makes the same Rwhp and down 150Rwtq with a 1/4 the displacement and the same weight have an advantage from a roll?
One main thing that makes Ls motors rape at 100+mph is the mph... If you don't have a C6Z/Zr1 by couple cars before 120mph, the bitch will come around you.
lemons12
08-16-2012, 12:54 PM
Thanks
Im not going to get into it because the evo is the clear winner and I don't need to make excuses why I lost. The evo owner was over at my house the next day to find the issue and it was found. Getting it fixed now and we will run again to see if I can close that gap.:thumb:
Curiosity, what was the issue?
Ryne @ CMS
08-16-2012, 01:22 PM
those big power evo's are very tough to beat... i got a slew of them around here and they whoop my ass alot... but they tend to be unreliable and break a lot... it is what it is
GIO-305
08-16-2012, 01:49 PM
Curiosity, what was the issue?
I rather show when I run him again win or lose. For now he cleaned house.
those big power evo's are very tough to beat... i got a slew of them around here and they whoop my ass alot... but they tend to be unreliable and break a lot... it is what it is
The great thing about that EVO is that it was built in 2006 and always on kill and very reliable. That thing always run strong with no issues or breaking parts. That evo is well put together.
adamantium
08-16-2012, 01:57 PM
Thanks
Im not going to get into it because the evo is the clear winner and I don't need to make excuses why I lost. The evo owner was over at my house the next day to find the issue and it was found. Getting it fixed now and we will run again to see if I can close that gap.:thumb:
Thats good news! Hopefully you get everything squared off!
ohioborn80
08-16-2012, 01:59 PM
I rather show when I run him again win or lose. For now he cleaned house.
The great thing about that EVO is that it was built in 2006 and always on kill and very reliable. That thing always run strong with no issues or breaking parts. That evo is well put together.
Few here the same way. Always on rape mode and never down less it for upgrades.
Can't wait to see rematch.
RON 95ZR1
08-16-2012, 02:07 PM
Thanks
Im not going to get into it because the evo is the clear winner and I don't need to make excuses why I lost. The evo owner was over at my house the next day to find the issue and it was found. Getting it fixed now and we will run again to see if I can close that gap.:thumb:
It's not making excuses, its using common sense in knowing that two cars at similar weights making the same power should not be that far apart if everything is in order. That's what most of these guys have been saying from the get, wouldn't call it making excuses though. When I first saw the vid I thought wow, if that Z is really making 800whp than my car must be severely underrated. :lol:
Good luck with the fix. :thumb:
RON 95ZR1
08-16-2012, 02:17 PM
Few here the same way. Always on rape mode and never down less it for upgrades.
Can't wait to see rematch.
I've ran several EVO's on "rape mode" and haven't had any problems. Friend of a friend's EVO X is pushing 825awhp@ 3150 pounds and we were door to door twice from a roll. He makes 20whp more than me and is 170lbs lighter. I think once the owner here gets his problem sorted out it'll be a much closer race.
V8EATR
08-16-2012, 02:46 PM
I've ran several EVO's on "rape mode" and haven't had any problems. Friend of a friend's EVO X is pushing 825awhp@ 3150 pounds and we were door to door twice from a roll. He makes 20whp more than me and is 170lbs lighter. I think once the owner here gets his problem sorted out it'll be a much closer race.
How much power do you make? If its anywhere near 800 and you were even with your friends 825whp evo why was this zr1 so far behind? Just doesn't make sense.
TheHitman
08-16-2012, 03:09 PM
Dynos are a tool. What matters is how you do at the track and street.
odthetruth
08-16-2012, 03:50 PM
Both are not 800rwhp... Evo has more or ZR1 has less. Thats how it goes down.
Either way, good runs. Sounds like someone needs to replace that syncro or get online and googlemaps himself to 4th gear
2SSARME
08-16-2012, 03:56 PM
Since when are evos reliable?
adamantium
08-16-2012, 04:20 PM
Since when are evos reliable?
Its either hit or miss. Refer to quote below, also had a friend makign 440 with stock motor with 100k miles rebuilt title turd car on e85 never skipped a beat. There are PLENTY of reliable EVOs here old friend was making low 5's on stock longblock for YEARS, the only thing i can say is unrealiable (which both cars suffered from) when abused is there transfer cases. Other than that they are just as reliable as any car.
BTW the evo 4g63 is not the same 4g63 with the infamous crank walk.
The great thing about that EVO is that it was built in 2006 and always on kill and very reliable. That thing always run strong with no issues or breaking parts. That evo is well put together.
For the others who didn't see this.
The evo owner was over at my house the next day to find the issue and it was found. Getting it fixed now and we will run again to see if I can close that gap.:thumb:
GIO-305
08-16-2012, 04:35 PM
It's not making excuses, its using common sense in knowing that two cars at similar weights making the same power should not be that far apart if everything is in order. That's what most of these guys have been saying from the get, wouldn't call it making excuses though. When I first saw the vid I thought wow, if that Z is really making 800whp than my car must be severely underrated. :lol:
Good luck with the fix. :thumb:
A lot of guys down here start giving excuses when they lose and go on the forum saying they lost because of excuses after excuse. Im not that guy. Both cars are very close in the hp range and is a good race. I got beat and thats all she wrote. Now I just wait and try to get a run again with it and hope to get a win next time.
TheHitman
08-16-2012, 04:37 PM
That's a good attitude Gio!
2SSARME
08-16-2012, 04:38 PM
With the issue fixed if the results are similar I would probably go crazy!
I'm rooting for the Z on this one!
lemons12
08-16-2012, 04:58 PM
Lol at idiots...
ohioborn80
08-16-2012, 05:02 PM
Its either hit or miss. Refer to quote below, also had a friend makign 440 with stock motor with 100k miles rebuilt title turd car on e85 never skipped a beat. There are PLENTY of reliable EVOs here old friend was making low 5's on stock longblock for YEARS, the only thing i can say is unrealiable (which both cars suffered from) when abused is there transfer cases. Other than that they are just as reliable as any car.
BTW the evo 4g63 is not the same 4g63 with the infamous crank walk.
For the others who didn't see this.
Here and evo making 700whp on stock block. He is local car. Jms tuned it in San Antonio. First stock block 700whp evo check out jms performance fb it has bunch videos and one of the 800+whp that is local here also.
adamantium
08-16-2012, 05:40 PM
Here and evo making 700whp on stock block. He is local car. Jms tuned it in San Antonio. First stock block 700whp evo check out jms performance fb it has bunch videos and one of the 800+whp that is local here also.
Thats some serious power for stock block! Those cars are badass. My friend got rid of his that was making 440 for a new 5.0 ;) lol
RON 95ZR1
08-16-2012, 06:24 PM
How much power do you make? If its anywhere near 800 and you were even with your friends 825whp evo why was this zr1 so far behind? Just doesn't make sense.
809/815 on a 248 Dynojet. That's with stock CNC heads. TFS 245's and a 150-shot soon to come.
A lot of guys down here start giving excuses when they lose and go on the forum saying they lost because of excuses after excuse. Im not that guy. Both cars are very close in the hp range and is a good race. I got beat and thats all she wrote. Now I just wait and try to get a run again with it and hope to get a win next time.
I hear ya! That is a great attitude to have. Only problem, its not a good race...so far at least. He f****n trucked you. :eek: Good luck and hope you get the bugs worked out for the next run. :cheers:
venom ws7
08-16-2012, 08:11 PM
A lot of guys down here start giving excuses when they lose and go on the forum saying they lost because of excuses after excuse. Im not that guy. Both cars are very close in the hp range and is a good race. I got beat and thats all she wrote. Now I just wait and try to get a run again with it and hope to get a win next time.
man thats what I call good racer.. :D
Looking forward for the rematch GIO :evil:
809/815 on a 248 Dynojet. That's with stock CNC heads. TFS 245's and a 150-shot soon to come.
I thought TFS245 will not fit TVS ZR1 blower?
we build ZR1 with mild cam & Pulley 651rwhp with 150shot made 797rwhp but since your car is already 800rwhp I say close to 1000rwhp 1000rwtq :eek:
Get some vids.
ohioborn80
08-16-2012, 10:04 PM
Thats some serious power for stock block! Those cars are badass. My friend got rid of his that was making 440 for a new 5.0 ;) lol
When got rid my G8 it came down between a evo x and the 5.0.
dsmfan95
08-17-2012, 12:20 AM
A lot of guys down here start giving excuses when they lose and go on the forum saying they lost because of excuses after excuse. Im not that guy. Both cars are very close in the hp range and is a good race. I got beat and thats all she wrote. Now I just wait and try to get a run again with it and hope to get a win next time.
:thumb: for a cool Vette owner.
lemons12
08-17-2012, 04:14 AM
Am I this drunk or are people leaving out pretty important words in sentences?
I'll check in the morning.
odthetruth
08-17-2012, 05:14 AM
Am I this drunk or are people leaving out pretty important words in sentences?
I'll check in the morning.
LOL I think you're right.
c_tanner
08-17-2012, 06:38 AM
Please please please quit making excuses for that vette.. wtf? The ZR got his shit pushed in, perriod.
Dyno numbers dont mean shit, not sure why people dont get that thru their head.
:hail: I agree..
99peweterls1
08-17-2012, 08:24 AM
I agree with what Ron is doing. GIO please spray that car and put a nozzle with at least 100shot in front of that blower!!!
RON 95ZR1
08-17-2012, 08:30 AM
I thought TFS245 will not fit TVS ZR1 blower?
Don't see why not. I know TFS 235's will :confused:
These are the heads I'm looking at.
https://www.vengeancerd.com/ecart/products.php?product=Trick-Flow-245cc-CNC-Ported-Cylinder-Heads
we build ZR1 with mild cam & Pulley 651rwhp with 150shot made 797rwhp but since your car is already 800rwhp I say close to 1000rwhp 1000rwtq :eek:
That's what I'm hoping for. If I can hit 950whp/1000wtq I'd be happy. :)
Get some vids.
Will do. :cheers:
AWDTBSS
08-17-2012, 08:49 AM
need more pics of Silver ZR1
RON 95ZR1
08-17-2012, 09:34 AM
need more pics of Silver ZR1
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll35/n20lt4/634635290070937500.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll35/n20lt4/634635290072812500.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll35/n20lt4/634635289250312500.jpg
I wanna see pics of that Z06! :devil: :nod:
bah321
08-17-2012, 10:06 AM
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll35/n20lt4/634635290070937500.jpg
Nice, love the wheels
RON 95ZR1
08-17-2012, 10:21 AM
Nice, love the wheels
Thanks! That Viper looks pretty hot too.
LightningTeg
08-17-2012, 11:13 AM
Also a big fan of the wheels. I hate the flashy stock chrome ones
ohioborn80
08-17-2012, 11:18 AM
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll35/n20lt4/634635290070937500.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll35/n20lt4/634635290072812500.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll35/n20lt4/634635289250312500.jpg
I wanna see pics of that Z06! :devil: :nod:
Nice.
TransAmcoupe98
08-17-2012, 11:22 AM
^ Dumb...sick...nasty
AWDTBSS
08-17-2012, 08:41 PM
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll35/n20lt4/634635290070937500.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll35/n20lt4/634635290072812500.jpg
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll35/n20lt4/634635289250312500.jpg
I wanna see pics of that Z06! :devil: :nod:
Nasty! I love those HRE's a local here has those. And I'm ashamed to show pics of mine after seeing yours lol
KingJacobo
08-18-2012, 12:10 AM
That vette is fast but that Evo is a raped ape