Automotive News, Media & Press - Chevy does it again

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2012/07/2013-chevy-camaro-1le-crushes-mustang-boss-302s-vir-lap-time-by-4-46-seconds-video/

Wow. I'm blown away by those results. I thought the 1LE wouldn't have a fighting chance against the BOSS LS. Congrats GM.

this is a 5th gen i want right now!

this is a 5th gen i want right now!

ME, TOO! And I could afford this one, as compared to the ZL1.

dang. battle is on! i didn't think the 1LE would do that well

Awe come on guys..... there no way this thing could be the boss ls. That's just impossible. Wait till the ford swingers come in here. They will tell how it it is.

It's all about the gears in the rear, if GM smartened up and stopped putting flat highway gear ratios in their cars they would perform substantially better - as proven with the 1LE and 3.91s.

The ridiculous gear ratios they run don't' even work on flat highways, they produce dyno fuel mileage numbers and that's it.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but all this proves is that someone with great experience with a certain car can pull off a fast time given enough laps...

Why exactly do I not put much weight into fastest lap times on a given track for production cars?
Well, because they mean very little if not done by the same professional driver with limited experience with the car and on the same day.

Do I have an example of why the times mean very little if these criteria are not met?
Sure, the time posted by the Camaro 1LE is a perfect example actually.

The 1LE's time is faster than a C6 Grand Sport tested a little while ago by an independent magazine and a tiny hair slower than a C6Z.
I really hope I don't read a comment about how the 1LE might be faster than a C6 GS...
So no, I don't believe the time achieved holds much significance.

Interesting and impressive? No doubt!
Really relevant as far as a car comparison is concerned? Nope...

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but all this proves is that someone with great experience with a certain car can pull off a fast time given enough laps...

Why exactly do I not put much weight into fastest lap times on a given track for production cars?
Well, because they mean very little if not done by the same professional driver with limited experience with the car and on the same day.

Do I have an example of why the times mean very little if these criteria are not met?
Sure, the time posted by the Camaro 1LE is a perfect example actually.

The 1LE's time is faster than a C6 Grand Sport tested a little while ago by an independent magazine and a tiny hair slower than a C6Z.
I really hope I don't read a comment about how the 1LE might be faster than a C6 GS...
So no, I don't believe the time achieved holds much significance.

Interesting and impressive? No doubt!
Really relevant as far as a car comparison is concerned? Nope...


I'm going to disagree with you and assume that you never bought anything in your life. What is being shown is the capability of the car whether it's in your hands or in the hands of a professional. You buy a car for a purpose. The purpose for this car is a track day competition in which it performed very well. Just like the 2013 GT500 that everyone loves so much is really a one trick pony, this car is a one trick pony at the track. Stop hating...

Well this should make for some interested stuff. I already see butthurt ford fanbois defending the honor of their Boss 302 and Boss 302 Laguna Seca. (Both of which were beat on this particular lap)

Didn't seem like he was working very hard either.

I'm going to disagree with you and assume that you never bought anything in your life. What is being shown is the capability of the car whether it's in your hands or in the hands of a professional. You buy a car for a purpose. The purpose for this car is a track day competition in which it performed very well. Just like the 2013 GT500 that everyone loves so much is really a one trick pony, this car is a one trick pony at the track. Stop hating...

HAHAHAHAHAA...:lol:

I'm not quite sure how my comment leads you to believe that I've never bought anything in my life (I guess my last 8 cars and my house don't count), but that's irrelevant.

I'm not hating.
I think the 1LE is a remarkable car and that the time it achieved is very impressive.

I, unlike you, just don't believe that the 1LE's time is very relevant.
Anymore than I believe it's faster than a C6 GS.
Do you???

gmauthority.com is probably unbiased too.

gmauthority.com is probably unbiased too.

If you are suggesting they are biased, sure, I'm sure they are. BUT how can you put bias into a recorded track time?

If you are suggesting they are biased, sure, I'm sure they are. BUT how can you put bias into a recorded track time?

Not sure, but a subjective view is needed for me before I form an opinion.
Maybe the car was a ringer...who knows.

GT500 beats ZL1 on a road course (in several side by side comparisons)...doesn't matter.

1LE beats Boss on a road course (once)...matters.

You guys crack me up.

I'm not even trying to discredit the camaro.
I wouldn't be completely surprised if it's faster than the Boss on a number of tracks.

All I'm saying is that the only way to truly compare two car's capabilities around a given road course is to give them both to one talented driver, on the same day, and see what he/she can do in them.

GT500 beats ZL1 on a road course (in several side by side comparisons)...doesn't matter.

1LE beats Boss on a road course (once)...matters.

You guys crack me up.

Most of the articles i've read and video's i've seen say otherwise on the GT500 being the better road course car. They may chase the ZL1 down in the straights but lose in the turns.

GT500 beats ZL1 on a road course (in several side by side comparisons)...doesn't matter.

1LE beats Boss on a road course (once)...matters.

You guys crack me up.
Road course to me is completely irrelevant.

So much butt hurt

So much butt hurt

Thank you for your well thought out contribution.

Most of the articles i've read and video's i've seen say otherwise on the GT500 being the better road course car. They may chase the ZL1 down in the straights but lose in the turns.

True. However, the GT500 seems to be getting past the finish line first.

Road course to me is completely irrelevant.

I agree.

I'd go ahead and bet the Boss will outrun the 1LE during any street encounter.

HAHAHAHAHAA...:lol:

I'm not quite sure how my comment leads you to believe that I've never bought anything in my life (I guess my last 8 cars and my house don't count), but that's irrelevant.

I'm not hating.
I think the 1LE is a remarkable car and that the time it achieved is very impressive.

I, unlike you, just don't believe that the 1LE's time is very relevant.
Anymore than I believe it's faster than a C6 GS.
Do you???


In fact I do. Chevy has years of PROVEN racing history and you guys don't think they know how to make a car go around the track? Be real about it. How many race cars has Ford built that goes like stink around the track? Nothing on this level. I can tell you that...

I agree.

I'd go ahead and bet the Boss will outrun the 1LE during any street encounter.

Really? You'd guys kill me these cars are built for the track sorry road course so nobody gets confused yet you say the road course doesn't matter and you focus on straight line performance thats sad.

While I'm not completely on board with these times against the boss just yet since they did fool us with the taunting of 11 sec time slips with the zl1 but if Chevy did manage to beat it with more weight and less power that would be rather impressive.

GT500 beats ZL1 on a road course (in several side by side comparisons)...doesn't matter.

1LE beats Boss on a road course (once)...matters.

You guys crack me up.

I've been accused of being a "Ford nut swinger" by a couple of morons on this board in times past, but I have given the 1LE's accomplishments at VIR their just due. It is very impressive, and is EXACTLY what a track package of this sort should deliver to the consumer. It would appear that they are finally figuring out how to make this chassis dance the way we were led to believe it would in the very beginning.

Nonetheless, I do find the observation very interesting...that the Shelby is considered (by a few here) a lesser track car despite putting out faster lap times during several tests against the ZL1, yet the Boss is being crowned the 1LE's bitch following the release of a video of a single lap run by a GM driver. Seems like two sets of rules in play here. I'm not going to throw the BS flag just yet, but I'd like to see more of this car in action before I put either one up on the pedestal. The Boss is a fairly well known quantity at this point...whereas this one lap video is just the 1LE's opening volley. If every following salvo hits just as hard, then I think its safe to say that GM has finally exceeded what Ford is capable of accomplishing with a live axle sports coupe. But if the tests to follow fall far short of what we see presented in this video, then its going to be a long day for GM's PR department.

I've been accused of being a "Ford nut swinger" by a couple of morons on this board in times past, but I have given the 1LE's accomplishments at VIR their just due. It is very impressive, and is EXACTLY what a track package of this sort should deliver to the consumer. It would appear that they are finally figuring out how to make this chassis dance the way we were led to believe it would in the very beginning.

Nonetheless, I do find the observation very interesting...that the Shelby is considered (by a few here) a lesser track car despite putting out faster lap times during several tests against the ZL1, yet the Boss is being crowned the 1LE's bitch following the release of a video of a single lap run by a GM driver. Seems like two sets of rules in play here. I'm not going to throw the BS flag just yet, but I'd like to see more of this car in action before I put either one up on the pedestal. The Boss is a fairly well known quantity at this point...whereas this one lap video is just the 1LE's opening volley. If every following salvo hits just as hard, then I think its safe to say that GM has finally exceeded what Ford is capable of accomplishing with a live axle sports coupe. But if the tests to follow fall far short of what we see presented in this video, then its going to be a long day for GM's PR department.

The fact that ZL1 is faster in most short tracks, and slower by only a tad bit in longer tracks is a huge accomplishment due to the fact of it's 300lb extra weight and lack of 80hp, where is the credit there? There are no credit because we live in a country that doesn't appreciate corners like europe does, so only 1/4miles get looked at :mullet: and majority of the car magazines crown the zl1 the winner due to the feel, comfort, break and the overall confident it gives the driver. But surely every car magazine is incorrect right? And everyone in this forum owns one of the cars right? To not give props to either one of the cars for what they are is just being silly :usa:

The fact that ZL1 is faster in most short tracks, and slower by only a tad bit in longer tracks is a huge accomplishment due to the fact of it's 300lb extra weight and lack of 80hp, where is the credit there? There are no credit because we live in a country that doesn't appreciate corners like europe does, so only 1/4miles get looked at :mullet: and majority of the car magazines crown the zl1 the winner due to the feel, comfort, break and the overall confident it gives the driver. But surely every car magazine is incorrect right? And everyone in this forum owns one of the cars right? To not give props to either one of the cars for what they are is just being silly :usa:

Well said... :cheers:

The fact that ZL1 is faster in most short tracks, and slower by only a tad bit in longer tracks is a huge accomplishment due to the fact of it's 300lb extra weight and lack of 80hp, where is the credit there? There are no credit because we live in a country that doesn't appreciate corners like europe does, so only 1/4miles get looked at :mullet: and majority of the car magazines crown the zl1 the winner due to the feel, comfort, break and the overall confident it gives the driver. But surely every car magazine is incorrect right? And everyone in this forum owns one of the cars right? To not give props to either one of the cars for what they are is just being silly :usa:

Oh pipe down. Where did I knock either of these cars? I was just pointing out the double standard at work amongst some in here. And let's not pretend that all the GM hotrodders on this site have always cared more dearly about handling over 1/4 mile potential, because we all know that's bullshit. In fact, back in 2009, all anyone around here cared about when the new Camaro SS debuted against the 4.6 Mustang GT was how much more powerful it was than Ford's 315hp pony. No one cared that the Mustang was just as good on the road course (and even better than the SS in a number of handling tests). It was all about 426 hp LS3 > 315hp 4.6. It wasn't until the Camaro's handling chops started to come into their own that guys like yourself starting championing handling prowess as the superior measure of a car's worth.

I think all these Mustang and Camaro models being offered now are a ridiculous value when compared to the rest of their competition in this segment. Like I said, I find what the 1LE did at VIR to be DAMN impressive. I just find it amusing to see all the Ford and Chevy guys tearing themselves up from constantly jumping fences to land on the side of the argument that best suits their inner fanboy. :D

I want each company to continually out-do each other, so these cars continue to keep getting better.

I want each company to continually out-do each other, so these cars continue to keep getting better.

Agreed. And it's nice that both are on-board with this 1-upmanship contest that we have going on now...as opposed to much of the last 15 years or so, when only one or the other really gave it a serious go at any given time.

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1208_2013_chevrolet_camaro_ss_1le_vs_2013_ford_mus tang_boss_302/viewall.html

Most of the articles i've read and video's i've seen say otherwise on the GT500 being the better road course car. They may chase the ZL1 down in the straights but lose in the turns.Every race ends in... a DRAG RACE!

So far, like it or not, nobody with a clue cares which car cornered faster during a lap around a road course. They care which one ran the quicker lap and to that end, the idea of the GT500 being a 1 trick pony, AFTER it crushed the ZL1 in nearly every ACTUAL test, is simply absurd.

It has run quicker laps on the road course AND it simply smashes the ZL1 in a straight line. Get over it. The Ford boys can get over the fact GT500's truly need a far better rear brake! From what I've read, getting the high quality stoppers I'd like will add THOUSANDS to the price of an already expensive road terror. Given that upgrade, I honestly expect the GT500 to annihilate the ZL1 even through the corners. All that said, the best thing about the GT500 in comparison to the ZL1 in my opnion is that one won't be needing a rocket scientist to adjust suspension. I believe a well done aftermarket 2010-up SS suspension package may be highly overpriced, but that it allows that still less expensive SS out-handle the ZL1. There's no question at all, the exact same will hold true for the GT500, as it too lacks an un-modifiable and extremely expensive suspension system.

As for the 1LE beating the Boss LS, that's another story. Did this actually take place in like, February? Idonno... I haven't seen results with showroom 1LE's though, and I'd like to because this model is much less expensive than the Boss, let alone the Boss LS. I still can't see behind me, so I have no intention to buy one, but I'll like it more if this is a production version. I'm no big fan of the Boss versions anyway. "Cool factor" is huge, but it doesn't get me to and from my places of interest. A well running vehicle does, and it can look like a tank or a turnip as long as it never leaves me stranded. Pretty doesn't get the job done for me where cars are concerned. Capable does.

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1208_2013_chevrolet_camaro_ss_1le_vs_2013_ford_mus tang_boss_302/viewall.html

Eh.. They chose the Boss... FOOLS! I mean, if we're talking about a road race here, that's just a bad decision. If they prefer to see what's beside or behind, I think they have a point. The same for straight line racing. Otherwise, I'm not sure what they were really thinking.

Eh.. They chose the Boss... FOOLS! I mean, if we're talking about a road race here, that's just a bad decision. If they prefer to see what's beside or behind, I think they have a point. The same for straight line racing. Otherwise, I'm not sure what they were really thinking.

a 1le has me interested and excited. its priced right and its an improvement over an SS.


maybe someday.

a 1le has me interested and excited. its priced right and its an improvement over an SS.


maybe someday.HUGE improvement! As we've noted before, there ARE parts to make the SS hit some downright stunning numbers in the handling department. From what I've read on this site alone, anyone could make an SS handle better than the ZL1. That isn't to say it will be worth more, because it won't. However, better is better.

Were it not for the terrible driver outward view, I'd have gotten an SS in 2009 when the gal allowed me to take her for a test and decided it was goregous. She wanted NOTHING MORE, from what I could tell, than to take it to her mom and say, "Yours is a convertible, but mines not a 2002 model!" Alas, she also let me show her CORVETTE! She's been loving those since childhood and her mother actually traded a 'vette for her 2002 Anniversary Ediction(mispelled intentionally) Z/28. The woman won't let me buy that Z either. She says she loves it AND fears I'll modify it... Correct on both counts, I'm sure. So she has a fairly low mileage vert and I don't. "Mom" isn't that little old lady some may think of either. She's my age. She's also SMOKIN' HOT! The mileage is showing, however, through the lines on her face, some of which came from a mirror, if ya know what I mean. :lol:

Pics of "MOM" or ban!

Not likely! :lol: She may be up for it, but my gal... not so much.