Cadillac CTS-V - Stand-still burnout issues

I am going to sound like an idiot, but I assure you, I know what I am doing!

I tried to do a stand-still burnout in my V the other night. It wouldn't do it. I reved it up, let the clutch go and she started burning. As soon as I put my foot on the brake, the car would try to activate traction control. It almost stalled on me. I tried all 3 settings, T/C OFF, Perf. Mode and Stability OFF. Nothing worked. What am I doing wrong?

What mode do you do your stand-still burnout in with your FOOT ON THE BRAKE ?

I need to check my tables but I'm wondering if there is a torque management table in the ECM that may be futzing with this. I might also be over complicating this.

Edit: I just looked at the torque management table and with this car I don't think it is an issue. I can't see anywhere that torque management is limited in a specific RPM range, which is what you have with a lot of automatic trannys. That said there may be another limiting table or calibration in place, I'm sure someone will chime in with an exact answer.

I need to check my tables but I'm wondering if there is a torque management table in the ECM that may be futzing with this. I might also be over complicating this.

So since I am modded, this may be causing the issue? IS this something my tuner was supposed to adjust?

i have no issues doing them. i got a new set of tires last week and have done 2 2nd gear standing burnouts already to where the road disappeared.

i have no issues doing them. i got a new set of tires last week and have done 2 2nd gear standing burnouts already to where the road disappeared.

Can you tell me what mode you were in when u did the stand-still burnout with your foot on the brake??

i only had TC off, nothing else.put it in 2nd n dumped it then stood on the brakes.

i only had TC off, nothing else.put it in 2nd n dumped it then stood on the brakes.

i would admajin you have a upgraded 9 inch rear or something.
i dont have the balls to dump the clutch in seccond to do a burnout. i would be to afraid of exploding the geartrec diff in these cars.

I am going to sound like an idiot, but I assure you, I know what I am doing!

I tried to do a stand-still burnout in my V the other night. It wouldn't do it. I reved it up, let the clutch go and she started burning. As soon as I put my foot on the brake, the car would try to activate traction control. It almost stalled on me. I tried all 3 settings, T/C OFF, Perf. Mode and Stability OFF. Nothing worked. What am I doing wrong?

What mode do you do your stand-still burnout in with your FOOT ON THE BRAKE ?

that is wierd, when ever i do a burnout i just hold the t/c button until it flashed stabilitract off.

that is wierd, when ever i do a burnout i just hold the t/c button until it flashed stabilitract off.

So you had the car set to STABILITY OFF and you did a burnout with your foot on the bread and your car was burning out standing still?

i would admajin you have a upgraded 9 inch rear or something.
i dont have the balls to dump the clutch in seccond to do a burnout. i would be to afraid of exploding the geartrec diff in these cars.

lol stock 04 rear with 87k on it. 2nd gear really rolls smoke off the tires.

I havent had mine long enough to really abuse it like this, but i know in automatic vehicle GM has what they call "abuse mode" which is different than torque management. If it senses wheel slip in the back compared to the front, itll limit power. I turned it off in my truck and was able roll the tires off after. Maybe its on these too? I havent tried a standstill but I can roll the tires off through an intersection pretty good.

I havent had mine long enough to really abuse it like this, but i know in automatic vehicle GM has what they call "abuse mode" which is different than torque management. If it senses wheel slip in the back compared to the front, itll limit power. I turned it off in my truck and was able roll the tires off after. Maybe its on these too? I havent tried a standstill but I can roll the tires off through an intersection pretty good.


Yes, I can do a rolling burnout as well from a stop. What did you turn off on your truck so it would burn?

Nope, I have no issues with everything turned off.

I havent had mine long enough to really abuse it like this, but i know in automatic vehicle GM has what they call "abuse mode" which is different than torque management. If it senses wheel slip in the back compared to the front, itll limit power. I turned it off in my truck and was able roll the tires off after. Maybe its on these too? I havent tried a standstill but I can roll the tires off through an intersection pretty good.

These cars have an abuse management table, but looking at it I can't see any part of it that would cause this. The table in OEM form is based off of TPS and RPM, but from what I see (as a newb at tuning) I can't find anything that would affect a burnout.

So you had the car set to STABILITY OFF and you did a burnout with your foot on the bread and your car was burning out standing still?

yup easily, need almost no brake to keep the car sitting there, however i only do it once and awile, and always stay in first. then when i launch the car i just blow the tires off in seccond and third.

These cars have an abuse management table, but looking at it I can't see any part of it that would cause this. The table in OEM form is based off of TPS and RPM, but from what I see (as a newb at tuning) I can't find anything that would affect a burnout.

Do you think ABS could affect it?

Just buy a line lock, hit the switch and burn as long as you want.

Just buy a line lock, hit the switch and burn as long as you want.

Thanks but that doesn't fix the issue. I dont like bandaids

A line lock is in no way a bandage....

when i was out for a drive today i did some testing for ya.
i did 2 back to back burnouts.

first one i had just tc off, dumped the clutch in first, sat there for a few secconds then launched, once i started spinning the 2nd the stability cut the power.

seccond burnout, i had stability off, started out in first, sat there, powershifted into 2nd, and dragged it out around one hundered feet, no loos of power.

id def say you have a tune issuie(dunno if its possible) or maybe a abs sensor acting up, or maybe your emergency brake is sticking,

maybe shoot a video of your problem, might help

I hit the TC and held it until stability control was off, rev'd it up a little and let the clutch out slow to get to a roll (my diff saver) then dropped the clutch and started roll them off. Didnt have to hold the brake much, then i let off and played tokyo drift all through an intersection. I got one thumbs up, one dropped jaw, and one look of disapproval. I dont know if that counts as 2 for 3 or 1 for 3...whats a dropped jaw count as?

i did that shit in ocean city at cruisin week. turned onto the highway with everything off and nailed it. went almost lock to lock twice then grabbed 2nd, went half lock to half lock then straightened out n smacked 3rd. people loved it.

when i was out for a drive today i did some testing for ya.
i did 2 back to back burnouts.

first one i had just tc off, dumped the clutch in first, sat there for a few secconds then launched, once i started spinning the 2nd the stability cut the power.

seccond burnout, i had stability off, started out in first, sat there, powershifted into 2nd, and dragged it out around one hundered feet, no loos of power.

id def say you have a tune issuie(dunno if its possible) or maybe a abs sensor acting up, or maybe your emergency brake is sticking,

maybe shoot a video of your problem, might help

try dumping it from a stop in 2nd. i take it to about 6k n dump it then jump on the brakes real quick. the clouds that roll off are incredible. did a big 2nd gear burnout at work yesterday, owner had a shitfit.

I did one on my old set of tires right infront of the tire shop.. 4.5k drop and roasted them, if i slam on the brakes to had when transitioning it will bog but no T/C activation like you discribed

try dumping it from a stop in 2nd. i take it to about 6k n dump it then jump on the brakes real quick. the clouds that roll off are incredible. did a big 2nd gear burnout at work yesterday, owner had a shitfit.

hahaha, stock dif!!, fukin awesome next time you do a burner you gotta make a vid:nod::nod:

I did one on my old set of tires right infront of the tire shop.. 4.5k drop and roasted them, if i slam on the brakes to had when transitioning it will bog but no T/C activation like you discribed



hahaha, stock dif!!, fukin awesome next time you do a burner you gotta make a vid:nod::nod:

haha yup i beat the hell out of everything i own. i no lift shift the bitch on the daily too. ill deff get a vid next time. gonna try n hold off on them for a few weeks lol

I tried doing a stand still burn out on the street and it did the same thing,,, bogged the car down.. tried a few times and same thing... if i do a doughnut, and then hit the brakes, the car will let me do a still burnout... wierd.
also at the track in the water box it did a burnout just fine,

try dumping it from a stop in 2nd. i take it to about 6k n dump it then jump on the brakes real quick. the clouds that roll off are incredible. did a big 2nd gear burnout at work yesterday, owner had a shitfit.

lol once i have a built rear end i will do burnouts like that, with my h/c package on the car i can do huge rolling smoke shows

you might be experiencing a safety shut down feature programmed into a lot of newer cars that are drive by wire. When the computer see's throttle and brake input at the same time it limits power for safety reasons such as the infamous "toyota stuck throttle syndrome" lol. Sometimes you can trick it though by letting off the throttle with the brakes applied and then slowly get back into the throttle.

A line lock is in no way a bandage....

I am trying to figure out what is going on that is causing an issue that no one else is having, so yes, a line lock would be a bandaid. Thanks for your input

Thanks for doing some research! Ill see what I can dowhen i was out for a drive today i did some testing for ya.
i did 2 back to back burnouts.

first one i had just tc off, dumped the clutch in first, sat there for a few secconds then launched, once i started spinning the 2nd the stability cut the power.

seccond burnout, i had stability off, started out in first, sat there, powershifted into 2nd, and dragged it out around one hundered feet, no loos of power.

id def say you have a tune issuie(dunno if its possible) or maybe a abs sensor acting up, or maybe your emergency brake is sticking,

maybe shoot a video of your problem, might help

Jesus.. reading through this thread made me wanna go out to the garage and give my diff a positive reassuring pep talk and maybe a hug. Way too paranoid to attempt these shenanigans.

I've done about 150 standing burnouts since 2006 with no issues. What you're experiencing isn't normal.

At some point in this thread, Someone is going to lose a rear end... lol just saying.

Since no one has posted a video yet... This is by no means what the OP is trying to do but I mean a burn out thread without videos? c'mon!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V63Q-v7-_PU

^^^ that isn't a stand-still burnout. Boo!!!

Stand still burnout? Don't you mean "brake stand?" :confused:

Rookies. :rolleyes: :D

At some point in this thread, Someone is going to lose a rear end... lol just saying.

Since no one has posted a video yet... This is by no means what the OP is trying to do but I mean a burn out thread without videos? c'mon!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V63Q-v7-_PU

ask ben about 1 of mine, he was in the car. did it in his neighborhood. the street disappeared.

ill do another n get it on film in a few weeks lol

this is the aftermath. dumped in 2nd n stood on brakes for about 8 seconds then rolled it out.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/581203_10100622303620507_1780274586_n.jpg

At some point in this thread, Someone is going to lose a rear end... lol just saying.

Since no one has posted a video yet... This is by no means what the OP is trying to do but I mean a burn out thread without videos? c'mon!



do you have any wheephop mods, ie axles, bushing ect, because there was a pile of wheel hop going on there, recipe for disatster

That was definitely not a stand still burnout

Stand still burnout? Don't you mean "brake stand?" :confused:

Rookies. :rolleyes: :D

By no means am I a rookie. My tires dont last 5K miles. when I was younger (32 now) I was lucky if my tires lasted a couple of weeks. Sorry I am not up to date on the correct terminology. :judge:

At some point in this thread, Someone is going to lose a rear end... lol just saying.

Since no one has posted a video yet... This is by no means what the OP is trying to do but I mean a burn out thread without videos? c'mon!



Haha, yes, you are probably right! And I'll take the blame! Nice vid! :burn:

I just turned off the T/C and dumped from 2nd @ 4k and hit the brakes. I had to stand on them to get it to stand still.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdeGfNkI2ko

I went until the cords were wrapped around the Control Arms.

Haha nice. What mods you have done?

I broke a rear rotor on this one. I hold the brake and work the throttle with my right foot and clutch with my left until it starts spinning, then I brake with my left foot. All with stabilitrac off.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0B791EXu_s

... I went until the cords were wrapped around the Control Arms.:lol:

OP... Did you ever figure this out? If you do please share because I can't do a burnout on the street (had no problem at the track in the water box)

So you guys dont have much worry with doing standing burnouts? I have been shopping for a V for the last month, all day today I have been reading up on the diff issues and its got me spooked, then I see this thread and ya'll dont give a f*** hahaha I dont know what to think right now!

So you guys dont have much worry with doing standing burnouts? I have been shopping for a V for the last month, all day today I have been reading up on the diff issues and its got me spooked, then I see this thread and ya'll dont give a f*** hahaha I dont know what to think right now!

as long as you dont have wheel hop,,, the diff should be fine

as long as you dont have wheel hop,,, the diff should be fine

I thought it was from the shock of dropping the clutch. If its from laying into it during wheelhop that makes me feel a little better because you can reduce or eliminate the wheel hop with axles and what not.

I broke a rear rotor on this one.

Did it do one of these things?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoPBSQFWXHU

And this is just for the raw sex appeal of molten steel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2Q4OpGCfME

Haha, yes, you are probably right! And I'll take the blame! Nice vid! :burn:

every figure out your problem?
heres a vid from the testing i did for ya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEwQi4VeztE

^ what a nice guy to waste his tires on you...... haha

i have no issues doing them. i got a new set of tires last week and have done 2 2nd gear standing burnouts already to where the road disappeared.

Well, I am a little less interested in purchasing this car now... Good burnout though haha.

^ what a nice guy to waste his tires on you...... haha

lmao I was gonna say the same thing!

lmao I was gonna say the same thing!

ah i watse my tires every season, i put 3k on it each season and always kill a set of tires.
it also depends on how much my neighbours bitch at me for noise. the more they bitch, the more clutch dumps i do !!

line lock and call it a day.