Florida Members - Is Orlando Speed World shutting down?!

Okay guys, so I've heard some rumors that the drag strip at osw in bithlo has shut down.. Please tell me this isn't true..
This would totally ruin my lifeee.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/florida-members/1568090-orlando-speed-world-trouble-closing.html

http://ls1tech.com/forums/florida-members/1568090-orlando-speed-world-trouble-closing.html

Thanks for the link.
I did call osw earlier however and talked to a woman there who told me that the track might not be open next year. So disappointing.
Better get yours runs in now people..

hopefully somebody takes over and runs it properly! Your car looks very familiar... Did Carter and I do your motor/heads/cam??

hopefully somebody takes over and runs it properly! Your car looks very familiar... Did Carter and I do your motor/heads/cam??

Lol, yeah that's me!

cool man! Hope you're still liking the car!

Oh absolutely! Car runs strong! if they close the track down next year I'm probably going to get in a load of trouble thanks to you guys.. lol


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if it closes down we are planning to make regular visits to gainesville or bradenton so you're more than welcome to come with. If not, getting into trouble on the streets sounds fun lol

If you want to see the track survive, it's going to need support.

I didn't see a single 4th gen go down the track last night at one of there biggest races of the year.

the only thing that's going to make that track survive is new ownership/management. It has gone so far downhill it's almost unbearable. I hope somebody buys it. We need a decent dragstrip around here!

the only thing that's going to make that track survive is new ownership/management. It has gone so far downhill it's almost unbearable. I hope somebody buys it. We need a decent dragstrip around here!

What part of it has gone downhill? Newer stands, decent food, we went 1.21 last night on a radial.

Why would a new owner buy a dieing business? With out support from racers It won't get bought. I'm not going to spend a half a mil, plus sign a 10k dollar a month lease cause you say your GOING to come, IF I spend MORE money.

the only thing that's going to make that track survive is new ownership/management. It has gone so far downhill it's almost unbearable. I hope somebody buys it. We need a decent dragstrip around here!

I'm with him^^^^^^^^^^. I'll say it for the 100th time. MANY racers quit racing there because of their bullshit ways. It wasn't the facility, it was how management run the whole show. You cater to the people(racers) who will bring revenue(spectator count) to the facility. Don't ignore either group if a bitch arises.(Not talking about Carl's wife, even though she is) but, that's why a buuuunch of racers said f-off, I'll never come back. Havn't been back since '07 and most likely won't until I hear otherwise. I could go on and on but, not now.

Well, I'm fairly new and haven't been to many tracks.. However I've ran there and go there often to spectate. I think we should all consider ourselves fortunate to have a track close by.


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if it closes down we are planning to make regular visits to gainesville or bradenton so you're more than welcome to come with. If not, getting into trouble on the streets sounds fun lol

Well, contact me when you guys do!
I'm trying to get the good driver mod so I need as much seat time as I can get!

Lakeland has become a good track like going there easy access off 4 and no tolls

I'm confused, I went on a test and tune night earlier this year, the place was packed? I used to like going there because I would get 6+ runs in, that night I got a pathetic 3 runs.
So what is going on? Is it really the amount of people going? I'm going to have to read that other thread.

Anyway it sucks for me, all tracks are 2 hours away from where I live, but at least I knew people in Orlando so I had somewhere to stay afterwards.:lol:

I'm confused, I went on a test and tune night earlier this year, the place was packed? I used to like going there because I would get 6+ runs in, that night I got a pathetic 3 runs.
So what is going on? Is it really the amount of people going? I'm going to have to read that other thread.

Anyway it sucks for me, all tracks are 2 hours away from where I live, but at least I knew people in Orlando so I had somewhere to stay afterwards.:lol:

It probably also has to do with how often the track gets rained out. This weather in florida sucks. The last two times I've driven down to the strip and it's been too wet. I should have gone last week.

I still laugh at people that cry about not being able to hook....

I still laugh at people that cry about not being able to hook....

same here, although there have been some nights where there is NO track prep at all. I had a night where I made 7 runs and my best 60' was 2.2, when I was normally hitting 1.5's. The consistency of that place is terrible in recent years

same here, although there have been some nights where there is NO track prep at all. I had a night where I made 7 runs and my best 60' was 2.2, when I was normally hitting 1.5's. The consistency of that place is terrible in recent years

Lol. It's sad because my best is a 2.2......
Bald ass street tires ftw! :burn:

same here, although there have been some nights where there is NO track prep at all. I had a night where I made 7 runs and my best 60' was 2.2, when I was normally hitting 1.5's. The consistency of that place is terrible in recent years

Me and my father's car's have never had issues hooking @ OSW, cutting 1.4x 60ft's on EVERY single pass with a 315/35/17 radial....

Granted we werent out there everyday they were open, but never usually had an issue out there....

Me and my father's car's have never had issues hooking @ OSW, cutting 1.4x 60ft's on EVERY single pass with a 315/35/17 radial....

Granted we werent out there everyday they were open, but never usually had an issue out there....

You know as well as I do, the track isn't the BEST out there, but its ours. It also takes the blame for alot of peoples cars short comings.

It'll be just like CFRC, people will bitch and moan when it closes, but I didn't see anyone downtown at the city council meeting to help fight for it. They were to busy complaining about it on the internet.

I'm with him^^^^^^^^^^. I'll say it for the 100th time. MANY racers quit racing there because of their bullshit ways. It wasn't the facility, it was how management run the whole show. You cater to the people(racers) who will bring revenue(spectator count) to the facility. Don't ignore either group if a bitch arises.(Not talking about Carl's wife, even though she is) but, that's why a buuuunch of racers said f-off, I'll never come back. Havn't been back since '07 and most likely won't until I hear otherwise. I could go on and on but, not now.



Sooo, you haven't been there in half a decade, won't post any info about said bullshit ways. Hmmm, ok we'll take your word for it.

I've got to say it is nice to have a track close by, but at the same time it must be one of the most poorly managed tracks around. Really makes me miss Firebird international in Phoenix. Hopefully someone takes over and runs the place correctly, when I can't hook with brand new tires in 4 wheel drive on a duramax off a half boosted launch the track prep is really suffering.

I agree ..There track prep sucks.And yes everyone knows it ..

Yeah. The track prep usually sucks there...... This is on a friday night test and tune...
http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac328/DaytonaDennis/Camarowheelie.png

THANK YOU DENNIS,

John has a hard time running 7's out there too. hard time keeping the red car off the bars at 300 ft. ;)

Like pointed out by Dennis and others, it may not be the best track, but if you can make it hook there you can make it hook anywhere. Do not complain about the track as it will not usually change as far as the way they run things. learn how to run there.

With that said it is usually the guys that will complain that are the guys that have no idea how to makes changes to the tire pressures, suspension (shocks, arms, torque arm, travel limiters, springs), launch RPM and so on to see what the track and car wants or will take. I have had several cars with wheels up launches there on "bad" nights. Some times it takes 3 or 4 runs to get it right.

No matter how bad, it is always good to have a local track. The nice thing with Speedworld is that there are quite a few tracks that do hook great most of the time within 3 hours if you want to get serious. Bradenton, Gainesville and South Georgia Motorsports Park.

Mike Norris

Like pointed out by Dennis and others, it may not be the best track, but if you can make it hook there you can make it hook anywhere. Do not complain about the track as it will not usually change as far as the way they run things. learn how to run there.

With that said it is usually the guys that will complain that are the guys that have no idea how to makes changes to the tire pressures, suspension (shocks, arms, torque arm, travel limiters, springs), launch RPM and so on to see what the track and car wants or will take. I have had several cars with wheels up launches there on "bad" nights. Some times it takes 3 or 4 runs to get it right.

No matter how bad, it is always good to have a local track. The nice thing with Speedworld is that there are quite a few tracks that do hook great most of the time within 3 hours if you want to get serious. Bradenton, Gainesville and South Georgia Motorsports Park.

Mike Norris
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The night I had my 2.2+ 60's nobody was hooking. Nobody. I was with a large group of cars that I always run with and we all ran like shit. Also there were many cars I see out there every week I'm there and they weren't 60'ing for shit either. It's not just the inconsistency of the track prep that pisses me off (making 'test and tune' almost impossible since every week is different) but it's the way the place is run. They have eliminated wednesday night, shortened hours, and put monkeys in charge of tech/running the night. I'm sick of watching cars that do not have the proper equipment for their E/T breaking shit and shutting the track down. A lot of the failures would not occur if they actually did a proper inspection. Yes, this sucks for people with no cage trying to see what their high power shit does, but those aren't the majority. The majority of people breaking are backwoods half-assed cars that have to be trailered to the track not because they are fast, but because they won't make it a mile without falling apart. Not to mention the hours it takes them to clean up minor spills. I will GLADLY drive 2 1/2 hours to gainesville or bradenton to support a track that (seems to be) run by people who actually give a shit about the racers, and not themselves.

Hopefully somebody takes over the track and runs it like it used to be. If not, you won't see me complaining!

Mike couldn't have said it better.

Grass is always greener bro.

Gainesville is down to 1- 2 test and tunes a month, My buddy with his fox comes here to run OSW. Not to mention the some months only having 1 T&T night doesn't cut it for me.

We'll be at the track Friday.

I've run a 1.8 60ft with the nova old springs and slapper bars, but with slicks, I live in Wedgefield, and the tracks in my front yard, I can hear it all night long when the humidity's low, and I LOVE IT!!! I hope it stays open, I like running there!!!

Yeah. The track prep usually sucks there...... This is on a friday night test and tune...
http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac328/DaytonaDennis/Camarowheelie.png


This!

Like pointed out by Dennis and others, it may not be the best track, but if you can make it hook there you can make it hook anywhere. Do not complain about the track as it will not usually change as far as the way they run things. learn how to run there.

With that said it is usually the guys that will complain that are the guys that have no idea how to makes changes to the tire pressures, suspension (shocks, arms, torque arm, travel limiters, springs), launch RPM and so on to see what the track and car wants or will take. I have had several cars with wheels up launches there on "bad" nights. Some times it takes 3 or 4 runs to get it right.

No matter how bad, it is always good to have a local track. The nice thing with Speedworld is that there are quite a few tracks that do hook great most of the time within 3 hours if you want to get serious. Bradenton, Gainesville and South Georgia Motorsports Park.

Mike Norris


And THIS!

Sooo, you haven't been there in half a decade, won't post any info about said bullshit ways. Hmmm, ok we'll take your word for it.

How much time do you have to hear my experiences? Or friends and family's issues with the facility, meaning management. I'm all for the track staying there and remaining open for the sake of everyone's hobby/sport. I'm not speaking of track prep either. It was the greed of the money that ruined it for a lot of people. The tough shit attitude can really piss off the masses. Lastly, in '07 at the World Street Finals Carl's wife and a Sheriff's Deputy was banging on the RV door at barely daylight wanting to check everyone's ticket because they were so paranoid we were "hiding" someone inside that had not paid for a weekend pass. They were doing this to everyone camping in the pits. I thought it was kinda pathetic not to mention everyone each way was mad as hell. I, myself was spending several hundred dollars that weekend to be there and this is what we get as far as respect? I/WE said that was it. Look at other posts, there are more bad experiences than good. If you and others have good experiences there, I'm very happy for that. Let's all demand that the track stay open.

Let's all demand that the track stay open.


Thats the only part of your post that matters.

Thats the only part of your post that matters.

All griping and bitching aside, I'm with you 110%. Let's ALL make it happen.

Yeah, my car is so close to being back together I'm going to be one pist of Mo Fo if it's closed and I have to drive well over 2 hours to run it! Bithlo should stay open for sure. 3 runs in 1 night was not enough for me not to mention there was a ZO6 that blew the rearend while I was in the staging lane for an hour + the mustang that blew his rearend the run before that, lol. 2 and half hours of waiting on 2 rearend cleanups back to back i packed up and left. My car was running like dog shit that night anyhow. Ready to hit the track as soon as the MWC fab 9 rearend is installed!!!! Guess it should show up first, 3+ months later it should be here any time, right...... Next week I'm told but I've heard that 3 times.... I dont want to be one of those guys though so I'm waiting for the goods, lol.

I'm in....my car is still in peices, but i'll be there every friday night til the end of the year. wth or without my car.

Carter

I'm in....my car is still in peices, but i'll be there every friday night til the end of the year. wth or without my car.

Carter


This is all we can do, I'll be there Friday with the white twin turbo chevy 2 wagon.

I agree with the fact that people blame the track on why they can't hook but IMO the biggest problem is the staff and the lack of inspection and how long it takes them to clean up when something does go wrong. They will let people run with fluids leaking from there car and bald tires hell I watched a kid leave the line one night and left sand all over the track and they said nothing to him so when he ran the second time he did it again and still they didn't say anything to him even though he cost so much time from clean up. I love the track and going to it as often as I can but if it does close down it won't really surprise me because they don't seem like they care about the people patronizing there establishment.

As for the guy who compared cfrc closing and Osw possible closing that's not even close to the same reason cfrc had no choice they where forced out for a few reasons as where Osw would close on there own terms not the countys.

People that say they can't hook there just need to tune for it. On TNT nights with NO prep I can do 1.60 60 foots in my street car on radials. We are talking leaf springs and slapper bars. :confused:

The Throwdown in O-town was a success and Shelby will be doing another one in October. Hopefully, she will take over for Carl since he wants to spend time at his Oregon home.

This is all we can do, I'll be there Friday with the white twin turbo chevy 2 wagon.

I saw your 8.xx run, that thing hauls ass, what are you running for motor???

It's a 555 with twin 91's, the car just weighs 4200lbs

Its been 8.03 with the old 461 and twin 75's. Slowly getting the new combo dialed in.

He'll be driving the car on drag week for the 3rd year starting next week.

damn,

who the owner?? is it a tall skinny blond guy??

wasn't there a pic of in Hot Rod, action shot??

You know as well as I do, the track isn't the BEST out there, but its ours. It also takes the blame for alot of peoples cars short comings.

It'll be just like CFRC, people will bitch and moan when it closes, but I didn't see anyone downtown at the city council meeting to help fight for it. They were to busy complaining about it on the internet.

that is kinda funny like you said so many ppl knew but no one spoke up. i didnt even know it was closing until it happened do to the fact alot of others didnt know because they swept it under the table. it was almost like the council had a secret meeting. the bad part is theres not many of our cars at the track mainly because this city is plagued with these damn imports i like some of them but theyre annoying along. i live not far from cfrc like 10 mins and when they shut that track down there was so many street racing accidents involving imports. so if they take these tracks away theres going to be a negative affect most arent willing to drive hours away. althought having both tracks are a great privledge at least one should stay open somehow.

damn,

who the owner?? is it a tall skinny blond guy??

wasn't there a pic of in Hot Rod, action shot??

exact opposite, short grumpy canadian. LOL

and theres pics everywhere

exact opposite, short grumpy canadian. LOL

and theres pics everywhere

PM me next time you guys take it out, I'll come watch, and introduce myself,

anyone see there post on facebook about sept. 22nd. track event?

you know as well as i do, the track isn't the best out there, but its ours. it also takes the blame for alot of peoples cars short comings.Amen!

PM me next time you guys take it out, I'll come watch, and introduce myself,



http://blogs.hotrod.com/see-all-the-drag-week-2012-racing-action-on-the-mickey-thompson-live-feed-right-here-32391.html

3:7:00 into the video. ;) Tulsa oklahoma today

Watched some of that, that thing hauls!!!!!

Rick has been out to the NMCA opening race the last few years but hasn't had any luck to get the win. Car ran a trio of 8-second back-to-back-to-back passes this year but was DQ'd due to a hood issue that required him removing it. He still ran the car for the crowd which I thought was a selfless decision! Glad to see he invaded the 7s on drag week!

Derek

Ricks car is the shit, I caught a nap in the back seat at worldstreet/night of fire last year.

Yes, its that damn big

No, they can't close OSW! It's bad enough missing wed night test n tune. If they take it all away, what am I supposed to do? 11 second runs on 419? We need this place to get it out of our system because the vast majority aren't going to drive two hours for it.

Looking at the schedule on the Speed World website everything says:

"The Final Night of Fire"
"The Last Ever Funday Sunday"

Anymore word on what's going on out there?

http://www.speedworlddragway.com/picts/2012_July_December_Speedworld_dragway_Schedule.jpg

that's been up there pretty much all year. I haven't heard any new news. I'm planning on being at the last funday sunday to run my new optima, and maybe my camaro too, if i'm feeling up to it lol

Ah. I was just looking at the website today and noticed it.

I'm planning to go to last funday Sunday

I've heard if someone wants to pick up the lease and Carl likes them, it will stay open. No word as of yet on staying open past December though...

that's been up there pretty much all year. I haven't heard any new news. I'm planning on being at the last funday sunday to run my new optima, and maybe my camaro too, if i'm feeling up to it lol

I want a new turbo optima!!!! Ill run you in the Dmax if i bring it lol

I want a new turbo optima!!!! Ill run you in the Dmax if i bring it lol

yea they're great cars. I'm hoping to crack high 13's. If the DA is low I think it can do it. Bring the truck!

WHY DONT WE JUST MEET UP ON DECEMBER 2
I am back and would be nice to get together before they close and remember...the end of the world is near!!! lol

FUNDAY SUNDAY LOOKS GOOD TO ME TO TAKE MY BLACK BEAUTY

so whats the deal are they closed now? went there last night to find the place locked up... what gives? cant find any info or new schedule for test and tune. we went to the figure 8 schoolbuss races and was told they are going to be open for the full schedule 2013 (dragway included)?

who knows. I hear rumors that they are staying open, but their website, posters, facebook, and actions say that they are closing.

The announcement of the new owner will be made january 15th. It will be open

The announcement of the new owner will be made january 15th. It will be open

So did the guy from the midwest buy it or are they jusy going to announce the daughter will run it?

So did the guy from the midwest buy it or are they jusy going to announce the daughter will run it?

I dont believe that Shelby is going to be the track Manager any longer. I hear that a schedule will be announced before the end of Jan.
Oy oy oy beautiful burnout ;)

Oy oy oy oy oy NITROUS INJECTED MACHINE ON THE LINE OY OY OY

I'm hoping the rumors are true that its staying open. I want to make it out there while we have some good DA.

Glad to hear its going to stay open. Hopefully they will improve the facility and be more strict on tech to run off the retards and dirt droppers.;)

Its past the 15th....haven't heard anything....getting impatient. :ripped:

can't say i'm surprised lol

"Just to clear the air and to set the record straight: I Ozzy and my wife Maria Moya have purchased the assets of Orlando Speedworld Circle Track and have leased the property for the next 20 years. We look forward to bringing the same type of improvements to the circle track as we have been able to accomplish at the Lakeland Dragstrip. We will strive to make it one of the premier circle track facilities in the south east. It will take time and we appreciate all input and everyone's patience as we move forward with this new endeavor. We will announce a schedule of events as soon as possible. For all those people who doubt or think differently or don't understand, a press conference and press release (media only) will be given on Friday January 18th at New Symrna Speedway at 1 pm.

Ps: As for the Dragstrip, I am not at liberty to talk about any potential dealings at this time. I am awaiting the arrival of Carl Weisinger back from his well deserved vacation. At that time, Carl, Myself and my wife Maria will continue our negotiations and hopefully the three of us will be able to come to some kind of agreement. Thank you, Ozzy "

"Just to clear the air and to set the record straight: I Ozzy and my wife Maria Moya have purchased the assets of Orlando Speedworld Circle Track and have leased the property for the next 20 years. We look forward to bringing the same type of improvements to the circle track as we have been able to accomplish at the Lakeland Dragstrip. We will strive to make it one of the premier circle track facilities in the south east. It will take time and we appreciate all input and everyone's patience as we move forward with this new endeavor. We will announce a schedule of events as soon as possible. For all those people who doubt or think differently or don't understand, a press conference and press release (media only) will be given on Friday January 18th at New Symrna Speedway at 1 pm.

Ps: As for the Dragstrip, I am not at liberty to talk about any potential dealings at this time. I am awaiting the arrival of Carl Weisinger back from his well deserved vacation. At that time, Carl, Myself and my wife Maria will continue our negotiations and hopefully the three of us will be able to come to some kind of agreement. Thank you, Ozzy "

Thanks for the update :D

that was a quote from Ozzy obviously, I am not Ozzy. LOL

who's ozzy?

of course not osbourne,

Ozzy Moya, owner of Horsepower Sales in Orlando and the Lakeland Dragstrip

That quote above from Ozzy was posted on Yellow Bullet.

This pretty much confirms it.

NASCAR Sanctions New Smyrna, Orlando
Marquee Florida Speedways Join Whelen All-American Series
By Paul Schaefer, NASCAR
January 18, 2013 - 4:00pm
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DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. — Florida is the birthplace of NASCAR and Friday afternoon, two marquee tracks in the state joined the NASCAR family.

NASCAR and track officials announced New Smyrna Speedway and Orlando Speedworld will be sanctioned tracks in the NASCAR Whelen All-American Series in 2013.

New Smyrna is a half-mile banked paved oval near New Smyrna Beach, Fla. – 25 minutes south of Daytona – and Orlando is a .375-mile banked paved oval east of the city.

Super Late Models will be NASCAR Division I at both facilities. Speedworld operates on Friday nights and New Smyrna on Saturday nights.

Representing NASCAR at the Friday announcement at New Smyrna Speedway were Jim France, NASCAR vice chairman and executive vice president; George Silbermann, NASCAR vice president, regional and touring series; and Bob Duvall, NASCAR senior director, business development. They were joined by New Smyrna general manager Terry Roberts, Orlando track operator Ozzy Moya, and Robert Hart, who owns both tracks.

dude.... ozzy is about to become a very rich man. I don't think he is hurting now, but man the income potential with these 2 (hopefully 3) tracks is going to put him on a new level. I know it's a large investment, but I don't see him having any problems with turning a profit on the other tracks as he has Lakeland. As the line from field of dreams says... if you build it, they will come. in this case, just managing it and promoting it properly, and they will come

If he does with Orlando, what he's done with Lakeland. AKA give a shit. Amazing things are going to happen. Even if Carl and Shelby run it this year for 1 more year I'm happy. Shelby busted her ass last year. And i think she'll happily do it again.

lakeland's car count has atleast tripled in the last year. under the old regime they might draw 8 cars for their saturday night program, and it was always the same 8 local bracket cars. I just went out saturday for their index race and had trouble finding a place to pit, and I got there early. and regular saturday nights are even about 20-30 cars now. now the only concern is if OSW reopens and get a better reputation, some of the guys that have been coming to lakeland will start going there just to run the 1/4. but still, having both tracks in good standing will atleast give the racers an option and let them choose where they want to run, as opposed to where they are able to run

So..
Who has the golden egg?
All I want to know is when I can drop the clutch without seeing blue and red lights.
Who knows when a statement will be given by track officials announcing the reopening of, specifically, the 1/4 mile drag strip?

i would love to see this turn into new smyrna getting a dragstrip.

Bumping this back up because I'm still waiting to run my car in the 1/4.

I would like to do it while there's cool air in FL.

Yeah I know I'm impatient...

I'll meet you. Need to run mine up here. Only raced at pbir on radials. Now I'm on street tires. Should be an adventure.

Here you go my friends...this is what we all want to hear.

Enjoy!!

http://www.ndima.com/news/item/172-ndima’s-role-in-orlando-speedworld

Ok, link doesnt want to work for me now...go to www.ndima.com and click on "News", should be the first story.

Ok, link doesnt want to work for me now...go to www.ndima.com and click on "News", should be the first story.

Thanks RAllen, you should start a new thread to announce this!

Orlando speed world still hasnt updated their website...

Ok, will do!

I'll post this here too.

This is the latest quote from Ozzy today...

I need to come and clear the air just a little. I have purchased the Orlando Speedworld circle track and have started renovations to be able to begin races and events at the circle track sometime in March. I am in continued negotiations with Carl on purchasing the lease for the drag strip. As of now, nothing is etched in stone and any information of me having purchased the drag strip or the lease for the drag strip is just rumor and speculation at this point. Again, I am in continued negotiations with Carl and hope that he and I will be able to come to some sort of agreement soon. He has been more than gracious in working with me and we are continuing the process as quickly as we can. I'm sorry for anyone who is speaking on my behalf about purchasing the drag strip. I am trying, but am not there yet. Hopefully we will have more news soon. Sorry for any inconvienence, but this is the information as it stands today. Thanks Ozzy

my wallet is getting so confused! It doesn't know if it should keep building my car or just buy a gen2 cts-v and call it a day :\

my wallet is getting so confused! It doesn't know if it should keep building my car or just buy a gen2 cts-v and call it a day :\

Great minds think alike...When it comes time to start a family I'm getting either a 2nd gen CTS-V or G8. Then the camaro can get caged and become a racecar :cool: