View Full Version : Me vs stroker 01' cobra and 76' sunbird


V8EATR
08-22-2012, 02:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RcpN6SyLg2E

Buddies cobra, 01'. Has been seen here a few times this summer. 5.0 stroker, Ported heads, blower cams, fr500 intake, kooks, udp's, t-56 w/3.73's. 3360ish w/o driver. No dyno numbers or track times yet, its got smaller cams and its only 10.5 to 1 or so, blower coming soon. Just running it now till he gets the other blower parts.

My car, mods in sig (I think), ported intake/tb, vararam, udp, 231/235 custom cam, ps lt's, off road x, kooks mufflers. Recently made 441/419 sae. Car is also about 3540 w/o me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAG9hejyYcc&feature=player_embedded

76' Sunbird. 327 carb'ed w/vortec heads and a 125shot. Car weighs 2700 w/driver. No idea on #'s, guy just bought it from some guys barn.

Enjoy.

Cwarta
08-22-2012, 03:17 PM
Nice races! Looks like that subird has the th350/400, 3rd gear is a bottomless hole lol.

V8EATR
08-22-2012, 05:07 PM
Yea he ran out of gear about 135mph. That was 5600rpms in with whatever rear gear it has.

automach1
08-23-2012, 08:44 PM
Good runs. Cobra runs pretty decent for it not being setup n/a what so ever.

V8EATR
08-23-2012, 09:30 PM
While more compression and more cam would help, it certainly wouldn't be a world of difference by any means. Just some fun runs between friends.

automach1
08-23-2012, 09:56 PM
While more compression and more cam would help, it certainly wouldn't be a world of difference by any means. Just some fun runs between friends.

Ha yea it would be a world of diffrence cams are wrong compression is low and car is under geard. Not to mention I doubt he is taking the fr500 where it needs to go. Car is also kinda on the heavy side.

evangto87
08-23-2012, 11:43 PM
Ha yea it would be a world of diffrence cams are wrong compression is low and car is under geard. Not to mention I doubt he is taking the fr500 where it needs to go. Car is also kinda on the heavy side.

Id say regardless of how "bad" its setup is, its doing pretty well if its side by side with a GTO with the mods that car has.

V8EATR
08-23-2012, 11:59 PM
Automach, let me inform you on some stuff. His car is not gutted. For weight savings it has full exhaust, gutted trunk, no rear seats and no a.c.. clearly to you, this cobra is still a tank, but it's not a gutted race car. Nazman made 500whp on a 5.3 with about the same cams as him. Huge cams are not needed in mod motors. It revs to 7500. It has more compression than stock, another point would have been worth at most 10whp. So like I said, while not optimized for n.a., it's not like it's 100hp down.

Automach, you such a nutswinger. I posted a video of a cobra making about 150whp more than stock and lighter than stock and all you can do is bitch about how its compression isn't high enough (even though its higher than stock), his cams are too small and its too heavy. Are you serious? This cobra will make more power than your mach by miles. This is a good running car now and will be even better once the blower goes on.

BottleMach
08-24-2012, 12:43 AM
Automach V.S. V8eatr - round 1 ... ding!

automach1
08-24-2012, 09:29 AM
Automach, let me inform you on some stuff. His car is not gutted. For weight savings it has full exhaust, gutted trunk, no rear seats and no a.c.. clearly to you, this cobra is still a tank, but it's not a gutted race car. Nazman made 500whp on a 5.3 with about the same cams as him. Huge cams are not needed in mod motors. It revs to 7500. It has more compression than stock, another point would have been worth at most 10whp. So like I said, while not optimized for n.a., it's not like it's 100hp down.

Automach, you such a nutswinger. I posted a video of a cobra making about 150whp more than stock and lighter than stock and all you can do is bitch about how its compression isn't high enough (even though its higher than stock), his cams are too small and its too heavy. Are you serious? This cobra will make more power than your mach by miles. This is a good running car now and will be even better once the blower goes on.

Let me inform you for one I hope you are not implying my car is a gutted car because last I checked I still had a/c so honestly my car is 200+lbs lighter and less of a racecar then his however irs does suck as far as weight reason I say its a tad heavy is because most 99-04 cars are high 3xxx stock with low gas. I am well aware of nazmans car. I am also well aware that with a proper running 5.3 setup for na it would be a 125+ car and run away from your high 11sec gto even with a stock ported mani much less a fr500. Yes huge cams are not needed it all mod motors is what I hope u meant because they love large cams depending on the setup. I simply stated the car ran well for not being anywhere near what it could do if it was setup for na and u got butthurt. Oh by miles huh what does it make?

evangto87
08-24-2012, 09:38 AM
Let me inform you for one I hope you are not implying my car is a gutted car because last I checked I still had a/c so honestly my car is 200+lbs lighter and less of a racecar then his however irs does suck as far as weight reason I say its a tad heavy is because most 99-04 cars are high 3xxx stock with low gas. I am well aware of nazmans car. I am also well aware that with a proper running 5.3 setup for na it would be a 125+ car and run away from your high 11sec gto even with a stock ported mani much less a fr500. Yes huge cams are not needed it all mod motors is what I hope u meant because they love large cams depending on the setup. I simply stated the car ran well for not being anywhere near what it could do if it was setup for na and u got butthurt. Oh by miles huh what does it make?

He didnt like it because you come across acting like he raced a bad running NA 4v. The car is clearly strong... regardless of if it has ideal mods for NA. If thats the case... the gto owner can argue a whole bunch of stuff... for example... He has stock heads.. Pretty sure stock heads are not optimistic for an all out NA build

V8EATR
08-24-2012, 10:21 AM
He didnt like it because you come across acting like he raced a bad running NA 4v. The car is clearly strong... regardless of if it has ideal mods for NA. If thats the case... the gto owner can argue a whole bunch of stuff... for example... He has stock heads.. Pretty sure stock heads are not optimistic for an all out NA build

Spot on. Thanks evangto87. No one came here talking shit or anything like that. Just some fun runs and automach had to come on riding on the 4v sack in the first post, not necessary. And automach, Cobra owner is guessing 420-430whp.

Redfire 03
08-24-2012, 10:40 AM
Let me inform you for one I hope you are not implying my car is a gutted car because last I checked I still had a/c so honestly my car is 200+lbs lighter and less of a racecar then his however irs does suck as far as weight reason I say its a tad heavy is because most 99-04 cars are high 3xxx stock with low gas. I am well aware of nazmans car. I am also well aware that with a proper running 5.3 setup for na it would be a 125+ car and run away from your high 11sec gto even with a stock ported mani much less a fr500. Yes huge cams are not needed it all mod motors is what I hope u meant because they love large cams depending on the setup. I simply stated the car ran well for not being anywhere near what it could do if it was setup for na and u got butthurt. Oh by miles huh what does it make?

Stock weight for an '01 Cobra is around 3450lbs smart guy. Not far off a full weight Mach 1. :eyes:

automach1
08-24-2012, 10:46 AM
Obviously the gto is not all out. I just simply stated it ran well for being a blower car without a blowerl

adamantium
08-24-2012, 11:28 AM
Obviously the gto is not all out. I just simply stated it ran well for being a blower car without a blowerl

OPs car runs good for cam only car thats 300lbs heavier.

automach1
08-24-2012, 12:17 PM
Stock weight for an '01 Cobra is around 3450lbs smart guy. Not far off a full weight Mach 1. :eyes:

Well if that's the case then the cobra is damn near full weight unless it had a full tank of gas when it was put on the scale smart guy.

automach1
08-24-2012, 12:20 PM
OPs car runs good for cam only car thats 300lbs heavier.

180lbs yea I would like to see what both run at the track that will tell the true story on how they run.

evangto87
08-24-2012, 12:25 PM
IDK why automach gets so hurt over 4v cars not impressing him. Personally i love watching bosses run slow or lose races to slow cars. It makes me savagely torching the same car that much better :nod:

V8EATR
08-24-2012, 02:57 PM
Update on the weight, cobra is actually closer to 3300 even without him. My car with pretty much no gas came in at 3500 even.

32vape
08-24-2012, 03:02 PM
Alright just to clarify, it weighs 3280 with no gas w/o me in it. It was 3420 with no gas when it was all stock. The irs adds about 80lbs over a mach 1. The cams are only 228@.050 which are out of steam at 7000rpm. The fr500 is strongest from 6000-8000rpm, so no i am not using all of the intakes potential. Intake choices are limited for the 4v motor and it is better than a stock intake, whitch on a stroker is done at 6100. I could have gone a point more compression if I was staying n/a. That and 10 more deg on the cams would be 20 more whp. I also have resolved an ignition issue since that video, so we are going to run again. We also need to try it from V8EATER's roll. That race was from 40 which I can be in first and he was at the bottom of second.

Redfire 03
08-24-2012, 03:12 PM
Well if that's the case then the cobra is damn near full weight unless it had a full tank of gas when it was put on the scale smart guy.

Yeah, 99/01 Cobra's weigh close to 4,000lbs. :lol: F'n tool.

Redfire 03
08-24-2012, 03:20 PM
Alright just to clarify, it weighs 3280 with no gas w/o me in it. It was 3420 with no gas when it was all stock. The irs adds about 80lbs over a mach 1. The cams are only 228@.050 which are out of steam at 7000rpm. The fr500 is strongest from 6000-8000rpm, so no i am not using all of the intakes potential. Intake choices are limited for the 4v motor and it is better than a stock intake, whitch on a stroker is done at 6100. I could have gone a point more compression if I was staying n/a. That and 10 more deg on the cams would be 20 more whp. I also have resolved an ignition issue since that video, so we are going to run again. We also need to try it from V8EATER's roll. That race was from 40 which I can be in first and he was at the bottom of second.

Typical Mustang racer excuses. Run what you brung, no need to list a gazillion reasons as to why your setup doesn't perform to its potential. Besides, all the OP needs is a FAST and a good set of ported heads and you're shit out of luck again. lol

Get that supercharger bolted on ASAP. ;)

32vape
08-24-2012, 03:53 PM
Yep, ya got me. Typical mustang racer. Not trying to make excuses. Just trying to clear up the argument that was happening in the first couple posts. Were going do a few more pulls some from a 50 roll where the gto is at an advantage.

V8EATR
08-24-2012, 04:21 PM
redfire03, calm down lol. Its my good friend. He was just clearing up automach's sack riding posts. We will get some more pulls in, maybe even tonight and get some better video. Ill keep you guys posted. BTW that sunbird is gonna run a 200shot instead of the 125 it raced me on and dig race our buddy with a 13' GT500. I'll post that too.

automach1
08-24-2012, 04:27 PM
Alright just to clarify, it weighs 3280 with no gas w/o me in it. It was 3420 with no gas when it was all stock. The irs adds about 80lbs over a mach 1. The cams are only 228@.050 which are out of steam at 7000rpm. The fr500 is strongest from 6000-8000rpm, so no i am not using all of the intakes potential. Intake choices are limited for the 4v motor and it is better than a stock intake, whitch on a stroker is done at 6100. I could have gone a point more compression if I was staying n/a. That and 10 more deg on the cams would be 20 more whp. I also have resolved an ignition issue since that video, so we are going to run again. We also need to try it from V8EATER's roll. That race was from 40 which I can be in first and he was at the bottom of second.

Thanks for clearing that up man. I knew 3360 was not far off from stock weight depending on gas. True it is very limited I have a fr500 as well but I am able too take mine to 8500+ ;) Having the big bore does help a bit down low over the 4.6 tho. Don't forget gears 3.73s are way off from the gears needed for a fr500 setup. Car should fly on the blower :burn:

automach1
08-24-2012, 04:32 PM
Yeah, 99/01 Cobra's weigh close to 4,000lbs. :lol: F'n tool.


Pull your head out your ass last I checked ~3360 is pretty close to 3420.

Typical Mustang racer excuses. Run what you brung, no need to list a gazillion reasons as to why your setup doesn't perform to its potential. Besides, all the OP needs is a FAST and a good set of ported heads and you're shit out of luck again. lol

Get that supercharger bolted on ASAP. ;)

Gto would need more then a fast and heads if said cobra was setup for n/a :jest:

adamantium
08-24-2012, 04:53 PM
Gto would need more then a fast and heads if said cobra was setup for n/a :jest:

So 20whp more in the cobra>100whp+ more in the GTO. Got it.

automach1
08-24-2012, 05:04 PM
So 20whp more in the cobra>100whp+ more in the GTO. Got it.

:jest:

evangto87
08-24-2012, 08:07 PM
mother of god

Bitemark46
08-24-2012, 08:34 PM
Automach, let me inform you on some stuff. His car is not gutted. For weight savings it has full exhaust, gutted trunk, no rear seats and no a.c.. clearly to you, this cobra is still a tank, but it's not a gutted race car. Nazman made 500whp on a 5.3 with about the same cams as him. Huge cams are not needed in mod motors. It revs to 7500. It has more compression than stock, another point would have been worth at most 10whp. So like I said, while not optimized for n.a., it's not like it's 100hp down.

Automach, you such a nutswinger. I posted a video of a cobra making about 150whp more than stock and lighter than stock and all you can do is bitch about how its compression isn't high enough (even though its higher than stock), his cams are too small and its too heavy. Are you serious? This cobra will make more power than your mach by miles. This is a good running car now and will be even better once the blower goes on.

Aren't FR500 cams 212* and I believe Naz's cams were in the 240+ range. Clearly that is quite a gap between them. Unless I have the FR500's spec'd wrong. I can't remember because IMO they are mediocre cams.

V8EATR
08-24-2012, 08:36 PM
He has the fr500 intake, not the fr500 cams.

evangto87
08-24-2012, 08:36 PM
not for nothing boys... but if we are gonna talk about all out crazy na cars... then who the hell uses shelf cams? The cam should be the last piece of the puzzle... not the first.

1_MEANZ28
08-24-2012, 08:56 PM
in for the new vids

V8EATR
08-24-2012, 09:15 PM
He is outta town this weekend. Races will be next week sometime.

Cwarta
08-24-2012, 09:32 PM
Again, good race O.P, looking forward to the new vids. Ill have my 70` SS nova back together soon, muncie 4 speed/3:73 and a mildly build (But custom speced to the car by Wells speed and machine) H/C 350. Hoping its in the 12`s somewere. I wish you guys were closer so i could join :(

adamantium
08-24-2012, 09:41 PM
not for nothing boys... but if we are gonna talk about all out crazy na cars... then who the hell uses shelf cams? The cam should be the last piece of the puzzle... not the first.

lol exactly. Stroker 4v with heads, cams, and higher compression than factory. Is a pretty nice list of parts whatever way you put it. To be honest i expected the GTO to pull a couple cars on him.