Mike96z

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So picked up a 1998 SS and the engine light is on. It is throwing a code for P0449. The scanner said it showed up twice but I am assuming that was history and there wasn't a P0443. Before ruling out the solenoid, what else should I check? Vacuum lines? Is this a common issue?

P0449 GMC - Evaporative Emission Vent Valve Solenoid Malfunction

Possible causes
- Vacuum leaks, damaged hoses or improper routing
- EVAP system - Check fuel cap, canister, valves or components
- Faulty purge or vent solenoids
- Check connector and wiring
- Fuel saturated vapor canister
- Failed EVAP vent solenoid

Thanks,
Mike

62n62

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DTC P0449 Evaporative Emission (EVAP) Vent Solenoid Control Circuit






Circuit Description

An ignition voltage is supplied directly to the EVAP Vent valve relay coil. The PCM controls the solenoid by grounding the control circuit via an internal switch called a driver. The primary function of the driver is to supply the ground for the controlled component. Each driver has a fault line which the PCM monitors. The voltage of the control circuit should be low (near 0 volts) when the PCM commands a component ON. The voltage potential of the circuit should be high (near the battery voltage) when the PCM commands the control circuit to a component OFF. If the fault detection circuit senses a voltage other than what the PCM is expects, the fault line status changes causing the DTC to set.

Conditions for Running the DTC

• The engine speed is greater than 600 RPM.

• The ignition voltage is between 6.0 volts and 16.0 volts.

Conditions for Setting the DTC

• The PCM detects that the commanded state of the driver and the actual state of the control circuit do not match.

• The conditions are present for a minimum of 10.0 seconds.

Action Taken When the DTC Sets

• The PCM illuminates the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) on the second consecutive ignition cycle that the diagnostic runs and fails.

• The PCM records the operating conditions at the time the diagnostic fails. The first time the diagnostic fails, the PCM stores this information in the Failure Records. If the diagnostic reports a failure on the second consecutive ignition cycle, the PCM records the operating conditions at the time of the failure. The PCM writes the conditions to the Freeze Frame and updates the Failure Records.

Conditions for Clearing the MIL/DTC

• The PCM turns OFF the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) after 3 consecutive ignition cycles that the diagnostic runs and does not fail.

• A last test failed, or current DTC, clears when the diagnostic runs and does not fail.

• A history DTC clears after 40 consecutive warm-up cycles, if no failures are reported by this or any other emission related diagnostic.

• Use a scan tool in order to clear the MIL and the DTC.

Diagnostic Aids

Using Freeze Frame and/or Failure Records data may aid in locating an intermittent condition. If you cannot duplicate the DTC, the information included in the Freeze Frame and/or Failure Records data can aid in determining how many miles since the DTC set. The Fail Counter and Pass Counter can also aid determining how many ignition cycles the diagnostic reported a pass and/or a fail. Operate the vehicle within the same freeze frame conditions (RPM, load, vehicle speed, temperature etc.) that you observed. This will isolate when the DTC failed.

For an intermittent, refer to Symptoms .

Test Description

The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table.

2 Listen for an audible click when the solenoid operates. Be sure that both the ON and the OFF states are commanded. Repeat the commands as necessary.


3 This test can detect a partially shorted coil which would cause excessive current flow. Leaving the circuit energized for 2 minutes allows the coil to warm up. When warm the coil may open (amps drop to 0), or short (goes above 0.75 amp).


13 If no trouble is found in the control circuit or the connection at the PCM, the PCM may be faulty, however, this is an extremely unlikely failure.




Step



Action



Value(s)



Yes



No




1


Did you perform the Powertrain On-Board Diagnostic (OBD) System Check ?


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Go to Step 2


Go to Powertrain On Board Diagnostic (OBD) System Check



2



1. Idle the engine at the normal operating temperature.

2. Command the solenoid ON and OFF using the scan tool.


Does the solenoid turn ON and OFF when commanded?


—


Go to Step 3


Go to Step 5



3



1. Turn OFF the ignition.

2. Disconnect the PCM connector C1 located on the opposite side of the manufacturers logo. Refer to Powertrain Control Module Replacement/Programming .

3. Turn ON the ignition leaving the engine OFF.

4. Measure the current from the solenoid control circuit in the PCM harness connector to ground for 2 minutes using the DMM J 39200 on the 40 amp scale.


Does the current draw measure less than the specified value shown?


0.75 A


Go to Diagnostic Aids


Go to Step 4



4



1. Turn OFF the ignition.

2. Disconnect the solenoid.

3. Measure the resistance from the solenoid control circuit in the PCM harness connector to ground using the DMM J 39200 .


Does the DMM display infinite resistance?


—


Go to Step 12


Go to Step 10



5



1. Turn OFF the ignition.

2. Disconnect the solenoid.

3. Connect the test lamp J 35616-200 between the terminals in the solenoid harness connector.

4. Idle the engine at the normal operating temperature.

5. Command the solenoid ON and OFF using the scan tool.


Does the test lamp turn ON and OFF when commanded?


—


Go to Step 8


Go to Step 6



6


With the test lamp connected to ground, probe the ignition feed circuit in the solenoid harness connector. Refer to Probing Electrical Connectors in Wiring Systems.

Is the test lamp illuminated?


—


Go to Step 7


Go to Step 11



7



1. Turn OFF the ignition.

2. Reconnect the solenoid.

3. Disconnect the PCM connector C1 located on the opposite side of the manufacturer's logo. Refer to Powertrain Control Module Replacement/Programming .

4. Turn ON the ignition leaving the engine OFF.

5. With a fused jumper wire connected to ground, momentarily probe the solenoid control circuit in the PCM harness connector.


Does the solenoid turn ON when the circuit is grounded and OFF when the circuit is opened?


—


Go to Step 9


Go to Step 10



8



1. Inspect for poor connections at the solenoid. Refer to Intermittents and Poor Connections Diagnosis in Wiring Systems.

2. If you find a poor connection, repair as necessary. Refer to Repairing Connector Terminals in Wiring Systems.


Did you find and correct the condition?


—


Go to Step 14


Go to Step 12



9



1. Inspect for poor connections at the PCM. Refer to Intermittents and Poor Connections Diagnosis in Wiring Systems.

2. If you find a poor connection, repair as necessary. Refer to Repairing Connector Terminals in Wiring Systems.


Did you find and correct the condition?


—


Go to Step 14


Go to Step 13



10


Repair the faulty solenoid control circuit. Refer to Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems.

Is the action complete?


—


Go to Step 14


—



11


Repair the faulty solenoid ignition feed circuit. Refer to Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems.

Is the action complete?


—


Go to Step 14


—



12


Replace the solenoid. Refer to Evaporative Emission Vent Valve Replacement .

Is the action complete?


—


Go to Step 14


—



13


Important:: Program the replacement PCM. Refer to Powertrain Control Module Replacement/Programming .
Replace the PCM.

Is the action complete?



—


Go to Step 14


—



14



1. Select the Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) option and the Clear DTC Information option using the scan tool.

2. Idle the engine at the normal operating temperature.

3. Select the Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) option and the Specific DTC option, then enter the DTC number using the scan tool.

4. Operate the vehicle within the Conditions for Running the DTC as specified in the supporting text, if applicable.


Does the scan tool indicate that this test ran and passed?


—


Go to Step 15


Go to Step 2



15


Select the Capture Info option and the Review Info option using the scan tool.

Does the scan tool display any DTCs that you have not diagnosed?


—


Go to the applicable DTC table


System OK

Mike96z

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Thanks for the info, don't think I have the equipment to do that test.

62n62

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do you have 12 volts at solenoid with key on

62n62

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ground the white wire to the solenoid with a test lite and feal if the solenoid is clicking when test lite grounds the white wire may allso get a glow from test lite when grounding the white wire if not solenoid may be bad

Mike96z

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Yes I have 12 volts.

Mike96z

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Ill do that other test too.

Mike96z

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So the first thing that I noticed is the PCV system wasn't even connected but after fixing it and disconnecting the battery the issue came back. I still need to do the test above and then report back.