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Old 01-03-2013, 12:00 PM
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Upon tracing an oil leak on my LS1, I found that the cam position sensor had a build up of oil sitting in the valley between the top of the block and the rear cover. I have been trying to find an o-ring replacement for the sensor without any luck. Has anyone purchased new o-rings for the cam or crank position sensors?

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Have you looked at lowes or a hardware store? Sometimes you can get lucky and find what you need
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I have not looked at the local HW stores as the seals need to be gas and oil rated plus be of exact size. Has anyone used generic o-rings with success?
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both of them are dash number 113. any parts store will have them. they do not need to be fuel rated.

I'm running replacements from oreilly auto parts on my new stroker engine.
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Excellent info - Thanks!
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They are NOT "dash number 113" in size. You'll be able to tell from the fit that a DASH 113 is way too loose and will cause leaks like sand through an hourglass. .GM doesn't have a part # for a replacement o-ring. Check on eBay. and you'll find someone that sells correct o-rings

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You're responding to an 8 year old thread
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Originally Posted by idakiteman
They are NOT "dash number 113" in size. You'll be able to tell from the fit that a DASH 113 is way too loose and will cause leaks like sand through an hourglass. .GM doesn't have a part # for a replacement o-ring. Check on eBay. and you'll find someone that sells correct o-rings -- non-sponsor link deleted - V8r
Some solid thread necromancy right there. A little heads up - you can find o-rings at pretty much any hardware store or auto parts store.


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Does gm carry these orings now? I have been chasing a rear leak and suspect it is the crappy aftermarket oring that the jasper engine I have is the culprit. I did the rear main with a felpro from Napa, but really didn’t like the way the seal was easily pressed into the cover with my fingers. The rear cover gasket I took off was an aluminum with black gasket material that was all cracked and fell off the aluminum easily. Looks like the Napa felpro I replaced it with.

Is it really a 113 ring or is it metric. I definitely would like to get solved, as it is my 2011 dodge 3500 4x4 work truck with a 2006 lq4 4l80e.
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Anyone have the part number?
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Originally Posted by cdk4219
I definitely would like to get solved, as it is my 2011 Dodge 3500 4x4 work truck with a 2006 lq4 4l80e.

Not trying to derail anyone's thread, but, do you have any pictures of this swap...???

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Sure, looks like a lifted dodge 3500 4x4 dual wheel with a Chevy e fine, but I will snap some pictures tomorrow..
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Alright after replacing the cam sensor o ring on 2 leaking 6 liter engines, I am baffled as to how the cam sensor would leak? It isnt under pressure, it seems like the only thing that could possibly leak in that valley is the rear cover gasket that seals the pressurized oil galley by the cam sensor. With the cam sensor removed, and the engine running, no oil comes out of the sensor hole. Is there something I’m missing, or is it really the back cover gasket which I have replaced with a Napa rear seal felpro kit?

I have 2 of these leaking exactly the same way, and the flex plates are dry and oil is coming down from the top of the rear cover on each side and exiting at the starter bolt and oil pan bolt on each side. When pulling the cam sensor after running it is wet 1/2” above the o-ring indicating that the valley in the block is filling up and spilling out each side of the cover. How are people thinking the cam sensor can cause a leak?
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Oil pressure sender is right next to the Gen III cam sensor.
They can leak A BUNCH!
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I can’t see the oil pressure sensor leaking inside the rear cover and filling the cam sensor valley, If it’s leaking it would definitely run down the side of the trans. When I pull the cam sensor and run the engine there is no leak, so how possibly does the cam sensor leak oil? The only way I can see this happening is if the crankcase is under positive pressure? It must be the rear cover gasket in the oil galley leaking or porosity in something back there.
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Originally Posted by idakiteman
They are NOT "dash number 113" in size. You'll be able to tell from the fit that a DASH 113 is way too loose and will cause leaks like sand through an hourglass. .GM doesn't have a part # for a replacement o-ring. Check on eBay. and you'll find someone that sells correct o-rings

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I can verify that I used a dash 113 to replace the oring and it just leaked slower than before, but still leaked.

I have a whole new sensor being shipped.

what I don’t understand is people say this oring shouldn’t be under pressure and the oil is just splashing around up there. How is it blowing out so heavily then? My PCV isn’t clogged and my oil pressure is normal.

before you say it…. No the OPS is not the source.
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If it's not 113, then what is the correct part number for just the O-ring itself that won't leak?
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Originally Posted by 5.7stroker
If it's not 113, then what is the correct part number for just the O-ring itself that won't leak?
Damned if I know, but with a very keen eye you can see that the 113 is thinner. If $40 bucks isn't gonna break you, r0ck@uto has NTK/NGK sensor for about $37.
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Well this thread as old as it is saved me a potential future leak. I pulled up some part info on here awhile back showing 113 and was about to use these lol.


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