zl1 vs cammed 5th gen wreck
06-30-2013, 10:04 AM
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yep , she just was gonna make a test hit. as u can see in the video . they didnt want line up. but they keep pressuring it. so she did.thats why i pulled and told him ill go alone and u see him shake his head no. lol. first time with this tires and she just got the car and just started racing like not long ago. i felt bad cause i made a full pass as to her just making quick hit . she didnt want me to go around and hit the gas right at that big bump and broke it loose. she was alright and didnt do much damage.
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06-30-2013, 04:34 PM
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classic case of someone not knowing how to properly counter steer is what it is, nothing to do with radial verse bias ply in this case. I would love to talk **** right here about how most females suck at driving fast cars because they didn't work there way up there from slower cars and there boyfriends/husbands/dads just put them into the seats of cars too fast for there all around skill level but sadly most guys nowadays don't know them skills either.
Even for the guys who know how to counter-steer on the street with average or harder tires it doesn't directly apply: the days of counter-steering being something you can think about then do are gone when most cars now come with tires sticky enough to embarrass drag radials of just a dozen years ago. Hell, drag radials embarrass slicks from 10 years ago. **** happens fast when you are piloting a sticky tired car like that ZL1. Your reactions have to be instinctive and instantaneous, counter-steering just as or even BEFORE your car fully reaches the apex of its swing. She was counter-steering after the car had already started its backward swing which is woefully late. sticky tires dont fully "return" on a slide but instead somewhere from the apex itself to half way back they snap to full traction which sends the car wherever it's front is pointed. Trust me, it's effin' quick when it happens and always a surprise, and the shock of those tires locking down when every instinct tells you they should still be sliding is unnerving.
And another thing: your counter-steering has to be vicious once you feel even a hint that the tires are gonna grab: I'm a big **** but last time I had to correct a counter-steer like what she had I pulled a forearm muscle doing it along with nearly breaking my steering wheel (the spoke bent but popped back from my grip).
Even for the guys who know how to counter-steer on the street with average or harder tires it doesn't directly apply: the days of counter-steering being something you can think about then do are gone when most cars now come with tires sticky enough to embarrass drag radials of just a dozen years ago. Hell, drag radials embarrass slicks from 10 years ago. **** happens fast when you are piloting a sticky tired car like that ZL1. Your reactions have to be instinctive and instantaneous, counter-steering just as or even BEFORE your car fully reaches the apex of its swing. She was counter-steering after the car had already started its backward swing which is woefully late. sticky tires dont fully "return" on a slide but instead somewhere from the apex itself to half way back they snap to full traction which sends the car wherever it's front is pointed. Trust me, it's effin' quick when it happens and always a surprise, and the shock of those tires locking down when every instinct tells you they should still be sliding is unnerving.
And another thing: your counter-steering has to be vicious once you feel even a hint that the tires are gonna grab: I'm a big **** but last time I had to correct a counter-steer like what she had I pulled a forearm muscle doing it along with nearly breaking my steering wheel (the spoke bent but popped back from my grip).
06-30-2013, 04:42 PM
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she is just learning . she said it stepped out and was coming my way so she took it a lil to far the other. she didnt want to hit me and i would probably done the same it easy to say that when its not u in that position .thats alot of car tho for that place. its just a old airport with alot of bumps and only time it attention is 2 times a year. she does good for how long she as been at it. but that place is 100% unprepped and traction is just not there. but the tires she is running were new never run. she was gonna make a solo pass to see how it done but they wouldnt let it go to run with me. she is learning and soon to be the top of the list for zl1's . its alrdy there they dont want to turn it up till she gets use to it. very fast ride .
thats what they bought that car for is for her to race. she was racing her gullwing .
thats what they bought that car for is for her to race. she was racing her gullwing .
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06-30-2013, 04:45 PM
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I agree with sticks on this one. It was simple inexperience. Not the tires...the tires might not be optimal... but physics still apply. Quite simply... the stickier the tire... the less time you have to correct.
06-30-2013, 07:09 PM
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only pic i got. but that how u learn . im pretty sure 90% of the ppl on here have done this or worse. i like how most are sayin how to do this or that.
06-30-2013, 09:37 PM
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I've seen this kinda thing happen with experienced drivers and a radial on the front and bias on the rear. Not a good combo. Some do ok with it.......but there is a reason NHRA made a rule against it. And you just seen why. It's all good till something bad happens, then it gets very hard to save on that set up.
06-30-2013, 10:22 PM
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I remember running a et street bias ply with the factory 20's upfront. I didnt know any better. Needless to say my ******* was puckering every time a made a pass. *** end would just float with the slightest movement of the wheel. I cant imagine what it would have been like in a 140mph car...