GEN IV 6.0 LQ9 swap (in progress). Help.
07-23-2013, 06:01 PM
#1
GEN IV 6.0 LQ9 swap (in progress). Help. Ok. got all the pulleys and accessories on.
Apparently, The oil pressure sending unit is in the same place as the old one, but the knock sensors go on the side, therefore the block needs to be tapped. That will be easy....
my question is....will I most definitely need an LS2 front timing cover to run the cam sensor? If so, will I be able to modify/lengthen my harness to reach that sensor?
Is there anything else like this I may run into before I pull this all off and do it again?
I was also told the 2002 0411 PCM will not control this motor? That just sounds like bullshit. The tuner is Mike @ Vegeance, and I forgot to ask him when we spoke, but seems that since i gave him all the info on the car...hed know if it were going to run or not.
Apparently, The oil pressure sending unit is in the same place as the old one, but the knock sensors go on the side, therefore the block needs to be tapped. That will be easy....
my question is....will I most definitely need an LS2 front timing cover to run the cam sensor? If so, will I be able to modify/lengthen my harness to reach that sensor?
Is there anything else like this I may run into before I pull this all off and do it again?
I was also told the 2002 0411 PCM will not control this motor? That just sounds like bullshit. The tuner is Mike @ Vegeance, and I forgot to ask him when we spoke, but seems that since i gave him all the info on the car...hed know if it were going to run or not.
07-23-2013, 06:25 PM
#2
Since it is a gen 4 engine, you will have to run the ls2 style front cover with cam sensor and an ls9 style cam gear with the pickup. You can buy an extension harness for the relocated sensor.
The older computer will run the gen 4 engine with an idiot box from lingenfelter. It's a 58 to 24x conversion box that plugs in between the crank sensor and the harness.
The older computer will run the gen 4 engine with an idiot box from lingenfelter. It's a 58 to 24x conversion box that plugs in between the crank sensor and the harness.
07-23-2013, 11:17 PM
#3
my callies crank has a 24 tooth reluctor. i found the racetronix adapter wire for it. I ordered an LS2 timing cover, and a new sensor to mount on it.
All I need to do is find out if my JP LS1/LS6 double roller is right.
something about 1x and 2x and 4x cam signals. I think the 0411 reads in 2x.
not sure. all foreign territory on this one bud.
All I need to do is find out if my JP LS1/LS6 double roller is right.
something about 1x and 2x and 4x cam signals. I think the 0411 reads in 2x.
not sure. all foreign territory on this one bud.
Last edited by I8UR4RD; 07-27-2013 at 10:32 AM.
07-23-2013, 11:40 PM
#4
From info above, 2002 ecu, gen 4 block,callies crank with 24x reluctor. Things you will need:
1) ls2 front cover kit.
2) ls2 valley cover kit.
3) ls2 timing chain 1x.
3) knock sensor extension wire.
4) cam sensor extension wire.
5) ev6 injectors adapters if that engine has that style injectors.
Assuming you have the 2002 ecu as stated above and the 24x reluctor on the callies crank you won't need a 58x to 24x converter. The 24x reluctor works with the ecu.
1) ls2 front cover kit.
2) ls2 valley cover kit.
3) ls2 timing chain 1x.
3) knock sensor extension wire.
4) cam sensor extension wire.
5) ev6 injectors adapters if that engine has that style injectors.
Assuming you have the 2002 ecu as stated above and the 24x reluctor on the callies crank you won't need a 58x to 24x converter. The 24x reluctor works with the ecu.
Last edited by allan808; 07-24-2013 at 12:28 AM.
07-24-2013, 12:34 AM
#5
And yes the ls1/ls6 chain is correct I recommend a single roller. If you choose to go double roller youl need to clearance the timing cover by grinding the crap out of it and youl need to get the spacers for the oil pump. More hassle then its worth.
07-24-2013, 12:42 AM
#6
Since it is a gen 4 engine, you will have to run the ls2 style front cover with cam sensor and an ls9 style cam gear with the pickup. You can buy an extension harness for the relocated sensor.
The older computer will run the gen 4 engine with an idiot box from lingenfelter. It's a 58 to 24x conversion box that plugs in between the crank sensor and the harness.
The older computer will run the gen 4 engine with an idiot box from lingenfelter. It's a 58 to 24x conversion box that plugs in between the crank sensor and the harness.
Last edited by allan808; 07-24-2013 at 02:33 PM.
07-24-2013, 01:55 AM
#7
That's funny, the ls9 cam gear I have is a 1x...
And I don't recall he stating that he had a 24x reluctor until AFTER I answered his question. And btw, there never was an ls1 or ls6 cam gear with a reluctor pick up. The cam sensor was in the block and the reluctor was part of the cam.
Pay attention dick.
And I don't recall he stating that he had a 24x reluctor until AFTER I answered his question. And btw, there never was an ls1 or ls6 cam gear with a reluctor pick up. The cam sensor was in the block and the reluctor was part of the cam.
Pay attention dick.
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07-24-2013, 02:29 PM
#8
That's funny, the ls9 cam gear I have is a 1x...
And I don't recall he stating that he had a 24x reluctor until AFTER I answered his question. And btw, there never was an ls1 or ls6 cam gear with a reluctor pick up. The cam sensor was in the block and the reluctor was part of the cam.
Pay attention dick.
And I don't recall he stating that he had a 24x reluctor until AFTER I answered his question. And btw, there never was an ls1 or ls6 cam gear with a reluctor pick up. The cam sensor was in the block and the reluctor was part of the cam.
Pay attention dick.
Pay attention dick!
07-25-2013, 02:07 PM
#10
It's not just an LS2 timing gear...it has to be an early LS2 gear, best bet is order the part number for an 05 or 06 GTO...if you get an LS2 gear for a 2007-2009 LS2 vehicle, it'll be a 4x pickup. If you go with a double roller timing set, again make sure you spec out for an 05/06 GTO...but to be honest, that's old school thinking, I don't see a big pile of C5-R timing chain failures...run that chain on GM gears and you're good to go.
07-27-2013, 10:37 AM
#11
I appreciate the info.
I ordered all that stuff, I think I may return the double roller I got....and ask them for the single roller with the C5-R chain you mentioned. I have an ls1/ls6 style JP billet double in there now, and an LS2 style double on the way. AES said the one I already have installed is 1x.
The spacers for the oil pump do not sound easy to find, but I will look.
I ordered all that stuff, I think I may return the double roller I got....and ask them for the single roller with the C5-R chain you mentioned. I have an ls1/ls6 style JP billet double in there now, and an LS2 style double on the way. AES said the one I already have installed is 1x.
The spacers for the oil pump do not sound easy to find, but I will look.
07-27-2013, 02:33 PM
#12
I appreciate the info.
I ordered all that stuff, I think I may return the double roller I got....and ask them for the single roller with the C5-R chain you mentioned. I have an ls1/ls6 style JP billet double in there now, and an LS2 style double on the way. AES said the one I already have installed is 1x.
The spacers for the oil pump do not sound easy to find, but I will look.
I ordered all that stuff, I think I may return the double roller I got....and ask them for the single roller with the C5-R chain you mentioned. I have an ls1/ls6 style JP billet double in there now, and an LS2 style double on the way. AES said the one I already have installed is 1x.
The spacers for the oil pump do not sound easy to find, but I will look.
