San Antonio racers *be on the lookout*
09-06-2013, 01:00 AM
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San Antonio racers *be on the lookout* There's a white, brand new, 392 challenger trying to run. He's an undercover officer. Caught him on the highway and got lucky to see him flash his lights. He will instigate a run so be careful. It's white with blue stripes and tint all the way around. You cannot tell its a uc so watch out. I saw him on the i10 freeway.
09-06-2013, 01:34 AM
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Damn, that's shady! You got lucky for sure.
I remember back in 08/09 when R35 GT-R's first came out I saw one on the street and got excited. Pulled up next to him just trying to see him get on the throttle...reaches in the console, pulls out his badge and says "Do you want to lose your license?" As you can imagine I pulled back quickly. Last person I was expecting to drive it was an officer as I'm sure was the same in your case.
Be careful guys!
I remember back in 08/09 when R35 GT-R's first came out I saw one on the street and got excited. Pulled up next to him just trying to see him get on the throttle...reaches in the console, pulls out his badge and says "Do you want to lose your license?" As you can imagine I pulled back quickly. Last person I was expecting to drive it was an officer as I'm sure was the same in your case.
Be careful guys!
09-06-2013, 01:49 AM
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I have a question on this..... Say you line up with the uc, but you don't initiate the race. Instead you roll down the window and tell them to honk off the three... If they do, or count off the three, wouldn't they be initiating the race therefore making it entrapment?
09-06-2013, 04:36 AM
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I have a question on this..... Say you line up with the uc, but you don't initiate the race. Instead you roll down the window and tell them to honk off the three... If they do, or count off the three, wouldn't they be initiating the race therefore making it entrapment?
Entrapment, at least as I understand it, is a concept wherein the Law must induce, cause, prompt or otherwise encourage you to do what you otherwise were not inclined to do, without such.
Thanks OP… Not in your area, but that's a solid heads up and good on ya for calling it.
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09-06-2013, 08:00 AM
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Had a guy in a challenger try to run my old G8. I romp on it after him. When he knew he was going to lose he pulled out his badge. I just laughed.
Buddy had a all white civic rev a little at him in killeen about 7 yrs ago. Buddy got on it a little and then came the lights. Cop just told him to not act stupid luckily
Houston has all white 5th gen camaro's and challengers. Unmarked with integrated lights.
Buddy had a all white civic rev a little at him in killeen about 7 yrs ago. Buddy got on it a little and then came the lights. Cop just told him to not act stupid luckily
Houston has all white 5th gen camaro's and challengers. Unmarked with integrated lights.
09-06-2013, 08:10 AM
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Initiate…cause (a process or action) to begin.
Entrapment, at least as I understand it, is a concept wherein the Law must induce, cause, prompt or otherwise encourage you to do what you otherwise were not inclined to do, without such.
Thanks OP… Not in your area, but that's a solid heads up and good on ya for calling it.
Entrapment, at least as I understand it, is a concept wherein the Law must induce, cause, prompt or otherwise encourage you to do what you otherwise were not inclined to do, without such.
Thanks OP… Not in your area, but that's a solid heads up and good on ya for calling it.
It's fucked up but hey, that's the law. Instead of spending their time on catching murderers and rapists, they are out instigating races.
09-06-2013, 08:31 AM
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Some of you guys have a very poor understanding of entrapment.
If you race an undercover, you will go to jail regardless of who honks it off, and you have no valid defense. The officer did not force you to race. Doesn't matter if he honks it off, you have the option to ignore it and not break the law. If you don't do that, you're guilty. Period.
For entrapment to be valid, a cop must force or deceive you into breaking the law. Entering into a mutual agreement to street race is not, in any way, forcing or deceiving you into doing something.
If you race an undercover, you will go to jail regardless of who honks it off, and you have no valid defense. The officer did not force you to race. Doesn't matter if he honks it off, you have the option to ignore it and not break the law. If you don't do that, you're guilty. Period.
For entrapment to be valid, a cop must force or deceive you into breaking the law. Entering into a mutual agreement to street race is not, in any way, forcing or deceiving you into doing something.
09-06-2013, 08:38 AM
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Some of you guys have a very poor understanding of entrapment.
If you race an undercover, you will go to jail regardless of who honks it off, and you have no valid defense. The officer did not force you to race. Doesn't matter if he honks it off, you have the option to ignore it and not break the law. If you don't do that, you're guilty. Period.
For entrapment to be valid, a cop must force or deceive you into breaking the law. Entering into a mutual agreement to street race is not, in any way, forcing or deceiving you into doing something.
If you race an undercover, you will go to jail regardless of who honks it off, and you have no valid defense. The officer did not force you to race. Doesn't matter if he honks it off, you have the option to ignore it and not break the law. If you don't do that, you're guilty. Period.
For entrapment to be valid, a cop must force or deceive you into breaking the law. Entering into a mutual agreement to street race is not, in any way, forcing or deceiving you into doing something.
Revving/accelerating on and off to get someone to race you and an uc leo is entrapment.
I would love for someone to do this to me up north. I'd get a lawyer and have such a good case on the Dept.
Up in DFW there was a young leo who did this in a modified 60s camaro. Someone ended up fighting it and the guy got fired. Just because most people won't spend money/time to fight it doesn't mean it's legal.
09-06-2013, 08:42 AM
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Some of you guys have a very poor understanding of entrapment.
If you race an undercover, you will go to jail regardless of who honks it off, and you have no valid defense. The officer did not force you to race. Doesn't matter if he honks it off, you have the option to ignore it and not break the law. If you don't do that, you're guilty. Period.
For entrapment to be valid, a cop must force or deceive you into breaking the law. Entering into a mutual agreement to street race is not, in any way, forcing or deceiving you into doing something.
If you race an undercover, you will go to jail regardless of who honks it off, and you have no valid defense. The officer did not force you to race. Doesn't matter if he honks it off, you have the option to ignore it and not break the law. If you don't do that, you're guilty. Period.
For entrapment to be valid, a cop must force or deceive you into breaking the law. Entering into a mutual agreement to street race is not, in any way, forcing or deceiving you into doing something.
09-06-2013, 11:07 AM
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Some of you guys have a very poor understanding of entrapment.
If you race an undercover, you will go to jail regardless of who honks it off, and you have no valid defense. The officer did not force you to race. Doesn't matter if he honks it off, you have the option to ignore it and not break the law. If you don't do that, you're guilty. Period.
For entrapment to be valid, a cop must force or deceive you into breaking the law. Entering into a mutual agreement to street race is not, in any way, forcing or deceiving you into doing something.
If you race an undercover, you will go to jail regardless of who honks it off, and you have no valid defense. The officer did not force you to race. Doesn't matter if he honks it off, you have the option to ignore it and not break the law. If you don't do that, you're guilty. Period.
For entrapment to be valid, a cop must force or deceive you into breaking the law. Entering into a mutual agreement to street race is not, in any way, forcing or deceiving you into doing something.
a buddy and I almost got arrested about 13 years ago by an undercover in a camaro at the local "cruise" spot. He even rolled down the window and asked if we wanted to run at the light. so we raced and the we're surrounded by cop cars and on the side of the road in cuffs. Not a good time.
09-06-2013, 11:46 AM
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Good looking out op but,...in Florida...
We have:
Volvo's, Lincolns, fusions, new ecoboost taurus, dodge dulley's, escalades...every dodge car you can think of, escapes...etc....all unmarked. In vero beach, there is a mustang GT looking for people...in West Palm beach, there is a highway patrol mustang....unmarked.
This is the wave of the future people. Get used to it. Why do you think you see me posting less street racing stories? Bottom line, if it's questionable, if the windows are dark and you can't make out the drivers uniform(doesn't always matter as these douchers like to wear TACH gear)...don't do it.
We recently had some dick head attract a million cops to our shop neighboorhood,...85% of the 20 something vehicles, where unmarked, and not what you would expect a cop to get out of. A mini van pulled up,.....7 swat cops rolled out.
Things have changed, and there is nothing you can do about it other then pick a better race spot, and know who your racing. Kinda the reason why my daily driver is a tahoe now, and not a vette.
We have:
Volvo's, Lincolns, fusions, new ecoboost taurus, dodge dulley's, escalades...every dodge car you can think of, escapes...etc....all unmarked. In vero beach, there is a mustang GT looking for people...in West Palm beach, there is a highway patrol mustang....unmarked.
This is the wave of the future people. Get used to it. Why do you think you see me posting less street racing stories? Bottom line, if it's questionable, if the windows are dark and you can't make out the drivers uniform(doesn't always matter as these douchers like to wear TACH gear)...don't do it.
We recently had some dick head attract a million cops to our shop neighboorhood,...85% of the 20 something vehicles, where unmarked, and not what you would expect a cop to get out of. A mini van pulled up,.....7 swat cops rolled out.
Things have changed, and there is nothing you can do about it other then pick a better race spot, and know who your racing. Kinda the reason why my daily driver is a tahoe now, and not a vette.
09-06-2013, 11:56 AM
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It's no different. People are just dumb and don't fight it. I'm telling you this DFW cop had busted tons of people then one guy fought back and got the guy fired.
You're making someone do something that if you hadn't revved/played with throttle they wouldn't of done. That's 100% entrapment and illegal. Sure you're not "forcing" the guy to race, but if you were not in the picture the guy would have never broken the law.
You're making someone do something that if you hadn't revved/played with throttle they wouldn't of done. That's 100% entrapment and illegal. Sure you're not "forcing" the guy to race, but if you were not in the picture the guy would have never broken the law.
09-06-2013, 12:20 PM
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It's no different. People are just dumb and don't fight it. I'm telling you this DFW cop had busted tons of people then one guy fought back and got the guy fired.
You're making someone do something that if you hadn't revved/played with throttle they wouldn't of done. That's 100% entrapment and illegal. Sure you're not "forcing" the guy to race, but if you were not in the picture the guy would have never broken the law.
You're making someone do something that if you hadn't revved/played with throttle they wouldn't of done. That's 100% entrapment and illegal. Sure you're not "forcing" the guy to race, but if you were not in the picture the guy would have never broken the law.
LOL,...and tell that to the cop that "pulled you over for no reason."
Post 911...people can be pulled over for any reason the cop/officer/trooper feels is probable cause. If you don't like it,..fight it in court, and hope your case is on point.
Don't you live in another country anyways?
09-06-2013, 12:32 PM
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i could definitely see the charge being challenged in court on the grounds of enticement (not entrapment because you weren't coerced or forced to do it under the threat of something) but seeing how 95% of cops and judges, especially traffic court judges, think they're crusading against the evil menace of street racing they'd probably just say you had the choice not to do it so you're guilty anyway. i guess it would depend all on the state law and case law.
09-06-2013, 12:43 PM
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YOu "street racer's" should actually get to know the street racing statute in YOUR state.
The street racing statute in MY state, was forever changed with MY own case,...and how it went down. No BS. Basically, the way the law in Florida was written,...was any form or acceleration,...with another vehicle next to you....you both take off from a stop light,...oblivious to eachother.....both accelerating to the SPEED LIMIT...technically, the way the florida law was written,..you where racing.
When I got arrested, for "racing"..among other things,...we went after the street racing statute and how it was written. Many, many people where following my case,..over the course of almost two years. Finally, it was thrown out,..and the street racing statute was indeed changed.
My lawyer,..bloodsucking mother ******...was big in the **** industry(representing) and big into "constitutional rights" .... so,..thats what we fought for, and that's how we won.
It was a big deal...glad it's behind me. Nevermind that the cop was full of ****.
The street racing statute in MY state, was forever changed with MY own case,...and how it went down. No BS. Basically, the way the law in Florida was written,...was any form or acceleration,...with another vehicle next to you....you both take off from a stop light,...oblivious to eachother.....both accelerating to the SPEED LIMIT...technically, the way the florida law was written,..you where racing.
When I got arrested, for "racing"..among other things,...we went after the street racing statute and how it was written. Many, many people where following my case,..over the course of almost two years. Finally, it was thrown out,..and the street racing statute was indeed changed.
My lawyer,..bloodsucking mother ******...was big in the **** industry(representing) and big into "constitutional rights" .... so,..thats what we fought for, and that's how we won.
It was a big deal...glad it's behind me. Nevermind that the cop was full of ****.
