Street Racing & Kill Stories - how fast is an 04 mach 1???

There is this kid in one of my classes who just bought an 04' Mach 1 about 1 or 2 weeks ago. Anyways he seems pretty cocky when he leaves the parking lot and I just know that one of these days we will be lining up next to each other so I was wondering just what do you guys think would happen from either a dig or a roll?

The Mach 1 is brand new and bone stock. It is an automatic.

My car is a 98 Z28 M6. Check out my website to see the car and I have written down all the mods in the first paragraph of the webpage. Here is the link to the page. http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/414383

With your mods you should be able to edge him out. Don't take him lightly. He should give you a good run.

Mach 1s are pretty fast. It's usually a drivers race. Might want some more mods before being cocky to him just in case but if you drive good enough it should be a close one. Is his a manuel or an auto?

It's an automatic?? Go stomp a mudhole in that stang son.

It's an automatic?? Go stomp a mudhole in that stang son.
Whoops missed that part lol. Yea stock autos arent so hot beat him down.

It's an auto so go from a roll....find your sweet spot and lure him in and proceed to walk him!!!! Also check out the post here about roll racing to pick up some pointers. Good luck!!

Ford Autos in the stangs BLOW so you should win, if he was a 5 speed, he could be running near 13.2's easily and he could give you a good run!

It's an auto so go from a roll....find your sweet spot and lure him in and proceed to walk him!!!! Also check out the post here about roll racing to pick up some pointers. Good luck!!

Yea, I'll try to go from a roll and I will definately read that post and pick up some pointers.

I forgot to mention that on last friday we were both leaving the parking lot at the same time he was behind me as I was turning out of the parking lot and on to a road that was quiet and no traffic so I punched it in 1st, spun the tires on purpose right in front of him and then I got to about 60mph and looked in my rear view and he didn't even try. And then instead of following me he turned off onto a side street. So maybe now he's not going to be so cocky?? Well see, and I'll let you know if we ever do race.

hey dude! I was just reading about the mach 1 today in a motortrend magasine. It has the 03 version, but im guessing its the same as the 04.
0-60 MPH = 4.7
1/4 mile= 13.20 @ 106.70
Add a vortech in there and you got
0-60 MPH = 3.8
1.4 mile = 11.96 @ 121.16

So dont worry you should easily get him. If he puts a vortech, watch out hehe.

A Mach1 auto is a high 13 second car that traps around 102-104.
If you can drive........you'll take him....from a roll or dig.

I raced my friends 03 Mach1 MTX and I beat him every time...and that was before headers! He isn't that good of a driver....but I gave him the jump everytime.

I saw '03 run mid 13s at my local track.

An ATX with stock tires running mid 13's? What do you consider mid 13's........13.8?

They can fast cars... I dont know much about the auto... but Roger got his at like 13 flat bone stock, and into the 12's with tires... but then again, not everyone can drive as well as Roger does...

hey dude! I was just reading about the mach 1 today in a motortrend magasine. It has the 03 version, but im guessing its the same as the 04.
0-60 MPH = 4.7
1/4 mile= 13.20 @ 106.70
Add a vortech in there and you got
0-60 MPH = 3.8
1.4 mile = 11.96 @ 121.16

So dont worry you should easily get him. If he puts a vortech, watch out hehe.

Oh man... :nono: :lol:




Automatic Mach 1s are slow as dirt. High 13s @ 100-103mph. You should kill him pretty easily. Careful though, the manuals are no joke for a near-stock LS1. They'll give you a good run.

Oh man... :nono: :lol:



Haha... I know, I didnt even wanna say anything... haha...

It's an automatic?? Go stomp a mudhole in that stang son.

Yeah YO, bust him up home dog ... :jest: :jest:

i raced a mach 1 before i had my headers. We raced on the highway i pulled about 2-3 cars by the end of 3rd. it was a stock 04. manual

An ATX with stock tires running mid 13's? What do you consider mid 13's........13.8?
13.5 100% stock

Since hes an auto you should beat em, lol but let him break in the car first. It take these stangs almost 3000 miles to break in correctly.

the auto's will be quite a bit slower

my buddy w/a bone stock 04 5 speed turned a 13.1 @106 if i remeber correct 2.1 60' @HRP

A stock auto mach runs between 13.30's to 13.60's if its anywhere close to sealevel.

an m6 car like yours should beat him with a couple mods barring you dont spin and get a good launch.

after you beat him go find a nice 5 speed car to race!! :)

Yeah YO, bust him up home dog ... :jest: :jest:
mayyyyyyn that's wiggety wiggety whack brah

ok, so today as I was leaving school the kid with the mach 1 comes up and starts chatting about my car, which is cool. And then we start to leave and I pull out in front of him as were leaving the parking lot and we pull onto a street and there was no one in front of me and I smoked my tires right in front of him thinking he was gonna go, so I did the burn out in front of him and took off to about 50-60mph and he again just like last time didn't even try. So now I guess he is not so cocky anymore and he's probably not even gonna try and race me.

What a wuss. I will race anyone. I don't give a shit if I lose. You never know until you do it. Maybe he read this post and got scared.

What a wuss. I will race anyone. I don't give a shit if I lose. You never know until you do it. Maybe he read this post and got scared.

hahhahahah

maybe he did, lol

Haha, oh well, sorry to hear he won't run ya... Maybe you intimidated him with your burn out.

Stock auto Mach's run about a 14 flat. Manuals run mid 13's with a good driver. No way in hell an auto Mach runs low 13's. Hah!

i think mm&ff got 13.5@102mph out of a automatic mach 1 with dr's only. they would dyno low, like 250-260rwhp and 260-270rwtq.
and dal1as, there are ways in hell an automatic mach would run 11's. :), i can show a video of one. the car is not stock of course, but hey, i think a supercharge is just a bolt-on on our cars , j/k, :)

mach1killer....be easy on dallas....hes got a pretty low i.q. :D

auto machs run mid thirteens no matter what you think.

also stick machs run mid thirteens with a bad driver. :zzz:

mach1killer....be easy on dallas....hes got a pretty low i.q. :D

auto machs run mid thirteens no matter what you think.

also stick machs run mid thirteens with a bad driver. :zzz:

WEll, Im sure there are autos that run high 13's and even low 14s, just like there are LS1's running 14's, but, that depends on drivers and conditions and what not...

Roger, remember though, not everyone can be as good a driver as you... mr LOW LOW 13 second bone stock Mach 1(even paper filter). what did you end up getting with tires? 12.9? or did you get like a 12.6?

yeah you can't take good drivers and particularly good (freak?) engines as representitive of the entire breed. maybe it's possible, and not even uncommon, for a stock mach 1 to run low low 13s... but the majority of owners probably arn't going to do it. the majority of mach 1 owners are probably running mid-high 13s, or even low 14s. my ls1 ran a 13.7 last time i was at the track, and for a stock ls1, that's middle-of-the-road at best. i'm not a great driver, nor am i horrible. I think a better driver could get a 13.4 out of my car, while someone worse could easily run 14s in it. even so i'm not even close to the 12.9s (i believe) some magazine got out of a stock SS a few years ago.

not everybody, and in fact not most people, have the freak engines like venkman or something like that... nor do most people have whatever skill set it takes to wrangle those last 2 or 3 tenths out of a car that mere mortals can't get.

my point... is that it's interesting to know what a car is capible of, but far more useful to know what it's actually likely to do.

yeah i see what you guys are saying but honestly i am not a very good driver.there are about 4 other machs in my area that all run faster than me stock.and on the auto comment there are two guys that i know that went 13.6 and the other went 13.4 with stock automatic cars.

i think i could get better times out of mine with some practice but i just havent been out to the track lately,to many other things going on.

Stock auto Mach's run about a 14 flat. Manuals run mid 13's with a good driver. No way in hell an auto Mach runs low 13's. Hah!
They can do better then that, Ive seen and have a buddy w/ a stock 02 auto GT that ran 14.1 3 different times. Believe it or not but I saw it with my own eyes. The best I saw a stock 5spd Mach run was a 13.3 tho.

i think mm&ff got 13.5@102mph out of a automatic mach 1 with dr's only. they would dyno low, like 250-260rwhp and 260-270rwtq.
and dal1as, there are ways in hell an automatic mach would run 11's. :), i can show a video of one. the car is not stock of course, but hey, i think a supercharge is just a bolt-on on our cars , j/k, :)

I said stock, not with DR's or any other mod. A Mach1 auto runs high 13's to 14 flat. A stick runs low to mid 13's.

I said stock, not with DR's or any other mod. A Mach1 auto runs high 13's to 14 flat. A stick runs low to mid 13's.

Read Roger's post above... Auto Mach1's can be gotten to go quicker...

I'm talking averages people. Not the best or the worst.

2003 Mach1 Auto ='s high 13's, 14.0
2003 Mach1 Stick ='s low to mid 13's

Most F-body sticks run low 13's, stock auto's I'm not sure.

Oh and DR's do not come stock.

As for the low IQ comment. (shrug) Should that bother me considering the source? No, it doesn't. People need to get real. I've seen so much false info put out by Mach1 owners it's unreal. 250 pounds lighter? Try about 40. Pulling on a car with 30 or 60 hp more than you? Um, no. A race from a dig may be up to the drivers, but to pull on someone requires better gearing, horsepower, and to some extent weight and aerodynamics.

Read Roger's post above... Auto Mach1's can be gotten to go quicker...


Yes, I know that but I'm talking averages. For every good driver who broke his stock LS-1 into the 12's there are 30 or 40 run low to mid 13's (close to sea level)

Hell we've had a few people here in MD run 12.7 to 12.9 in a stock LS-1 on stock tires. That's not cause to say the LS-1 is a 12 second car. On average it is not.

Yes, I understand that, and I even mentioned that earlier... but, you said it as if that is a set in stone number... Thats all...

Ive seen claims on both sides of high 12 second passes,and from reliable peaple but i havent seen it with my own eyes.does that mean it hasent happened?NO!!

just because you havent seen a auto mach run 13.30's or so doesnt mean they are not out there.

Yes, I understand that, and I even mentioned that earlier... but, you said it as if that is a set in stone number... Thats all...

My bad, I never meant that the numbers were set. Hell, most people after they learn there car can take up to half a second off of there times Car and Driver and such usually state. Professional driver or not, most of those guys don't push the car to the limit and don't know the car.

My whole point is that the stock LS-1's average better than stock Mach1's in the quarter, have more horsepower, and almost weigh the same. From a dig on the street it's pretty much a drivers race but from a roll (stock) a Mach 1 is not going to pull on an LS-1. Especially one with LT's, exhaust, and some other bolt ons like Roger or whoever said.

Ive seen claims on both sides of high 12 second passes,and from reliable peaple but i havent seen it with my own eyes.does that mean it hasent happened?NO!!

just because you havent seen a auto mach run 13.30's or so doesnt mean they are not out there.

Considering your other statements I don't believe you, but what should that matter. I have a low IQ, lol, about 158 or so.

There is an easy way to settle this.

i have brought this up numerous times that we need to round up 5 or 6 bone stock ls1 cars and 5 or 6 bone stock machs and line them up!!every time this has been brought up we get almost no replies.its not like we are to serious or anything.this is just for the fun of it.

doesnt that sound easy enough?

There is an easy way to settle this.

i have brought this up numerous times that we need to round up 5 or 6 bone stock ls1 cars and 5 or 6 bone stock machs and line them up!!every time this has been brought up we get almost no replies.its not like we are to serious or anything.this is just for the fun of it.

doesnt that sound easy enough?

Hard to find stock LS1's or really stock anything anymore. Pretty much anyone who would race them mod them. Hell, if I still lived in the DFW area I'd drive down and race you but I'm not stock.

I am 100% bone stock. legitmatly. no shitting. paper filter and stock gargantuan lid and everything.

unless you count the Sumitomo HTR+ tires, which you shouldn't considering they're all-weather/all-season performance tires.

I'm in if you guys ever manage to round something up in the eastern half of the united states. that's 1 (one), bone stock LS1 (A4 no less).

Yeah, but Pat, you will be too high to do anything...

There is an easy way to settle this.

i have brought this up numerous times that we need to round up 5 or 6 bone stock ls1 cars and 5 or 6 bone stock machs and line them up!!every time this has been brought up we get almost no replies.its not like we are to serious or anything.this is just for the fun of it.

doesnt that sound easy enough?

Bone stock A4 Mach 1 on 12/5/03 ran a 13.5@105 at Houston Raceway Park.

Roger, I have a cousin with a bone stock WS6 2002 you need to race. You'll have to do it on radials though... he won't put drs on his stock rear. I've raced him from a 30 mph roll, got 2 lengths on him right away but he caught up at around 110 or so.

Stock machs are a little slower than stock '98 Ls1s, quite a bit slower than 01s and up..... I destroyed a modded Mach with my '99 Ls1 but I did have a cam at the time. Pulled him quite a bit worse than other stock ls1s Id raced..... They run like the 01 Cobras...

Stock machs are a little slower than stock '98 Ls1s, quite a bit slower than 01s and up..... I destroyed a modded Mach with my '99 Ls1 but I did have a cam at the time. Pulled him quite a bit worse than other stock ls1s Id raced..... They run like the 01 Cobras...

Since you have a '99, I destroyed one from a 30 mph dig by about 2 car lengths and embarrassed him from 2 digs we raced. It's a driver's race from a dig, but when you go from a roll, there's little room for error unless you miss a gear or something. I'm not saying my Mach is the baddest Mach around, but it's better up to about 110 mph or so compared to an '02 WS6 that's in the family. A stock Mach simply will not pull as hard as an LS1 at that speed.
Fortunately the 1/4 mile has passed by the time the WS6 could get ahead of me. My motor is stock, but I have a few goodies with me... :burn:

Thier pretty damn close cars, in a normal street race, it will be up to the driver. On the track however, an SS Camaro or WS6 T/A will take a mach 1, but not by much. Just simple logic will confirm this. Anyone who knows shit about cars knows about the LS1, its just an overall better, more powerfull motor than what ford puts in thier stangs. The powerband is much wider, and torque curve is much flatter. Its also known that GM drivetrains are better at getting power to the ground than fords (Motor Trend dynoed a 2002 SS, and a 2001 cobra (Dec. '01) , 325 hp for the SS and 320 for the Cobra, the SS dynoed at 268.4 rwhp and the Cobra at 240.5 rwhp). In that same issue the SS beat the Cobra by .2 seconds to 60, and .3 seconds in the quarter @ 4 mph faster. Can the Mach 1 really be that much better than the Cobra?


And we cant compare times from two completely different test. This comparo was at the same location (same elevation) with the same driver. These times your all spittin out come from different locations, w/ different drivers, some track tested, some road tested (tracks will always give better times w/ stickier pavement) and different tempuratures. Anyone who knows anything can admit that 66 more cubes in a more powerfull motor and a lighter car ( 02 SS weighs 3411, 03 Mach 1 weighs 3471), not to mention a lower geared 6-spd vs. a 5-spd, will be faster. There is nothing that gives a mach 1 the edge over an ls1 f-body.

You are correct about the LS1 being more powerful than the 32VDOHC in the Cobra and Mach 1. The Mach has about 15 more hp than the '01 Cobra has, making the Mach better than the Cobra. There's too many Cobra owners who are now Mach owners who will tell you that the Mach is more powerful.
Gearing IS better for us vs an SS or WS6. We have a 3.38 first gear mated to a 3.55 in the rear which gets a Mach off the line better. I'm not for sure what the first gear is for you guys, but I know it's not near the 3.38 ratio we have, plus, the LS1's axle ratio is 3.42...close to but not a 3.55.
Anything after the 1/4 mile goes to the LS1 hands down, that's why I work hard getting 1.6 and 1.7 60 ft times to spring ahead and stay ahead.

ok, first off, Mach 1's put out 305 bhp and 320 lb-ft, pre '03 cobras put out 320 bhp and 315 lb-ft. Giving it 15 less hp not 15 more, w/ 5 more torque at a lower rpm, this is what ford wanted, more low end torque to give the mach 1 a more muscle car feel.

Also, a stock vette (not Z06) tuns 13.1 quarters, and stock '03 cobras w/ 390 bhp, run 12.9's. how can this justify low 13's for the mach 1's on the street? maybe at a sticky track with non-stock tires and professional drivers, but not on the street. peroid.

Where do you get your numbers? Motor Trend or Car and Driver? That's why I don't read those mags, they can't drive. Mach 1's are underrated in their hp numbers, a little research and you'll find out. I dyno'd at 288 rwhp stock, giving me about 335 at the flywheel. My goal for this car was 12.9xx's for this car stock, however that ended when I snapped an axle at the track. The mods began... My best before I broke was a 13.337 @ 105, which is a typical try for a Mach 1 with a good driver.
A friend of mine in New Orleans ran a 12.88 on stock tires at No Problems Raceway with his stock Mach1. They have a very good track and he was on radials. 13.1's are not a dime a dozen for Mach1's, but there are two in my area doing it now, one of them is on this forum.
Enjoying the site!

Ok first off, where do u get this supposed "underrated" info? Think for one second, if the mach 1 really puts out 335 hp, then why would ford underrate it to 305? the 30 hp difference wouldnt make any difference in any insurance costs. Does this also mean that the new supercharched cobra is underrated too, or does ford just suck and making power by only getting 55 more hp from an eaton blower? This really just doesnt compute.

Im not bashing mach 1's, thier a great car, cheap, fast and great lookin. But toe to toe, the SS's or WS6's are capable of more. Where do u get ur info? None of this ur saying makes any sense. even 335 hp wont make 13.1 quarters in a 3400 lb car, not on the street, esspecially w/ the 245/45's that come stock on those. My 275 hp LT1 has trouble hookin up with 245/50's. A stock mach 1 5-spd on a good day should do a 13.5 @ about 104 tops, any more is pushin it. A 13.1 quater would call for under 5 sec. 0-60 runs, now dont even start tellin me that these will do 0-60 in the 4's, cause they dont. 5.1-2. Even that, a stock WS6 will do 5 flat all day long, and after 60 is where those LS1 cars really shine. Like i said before These are both great cars, and very close performance wise, but the f-body is capable of faster.

I'm not sure why Ford went with the lower numbers on the Mach. Real numbers (even though a dyno is only a tuning tool) are what I'm dealing with here from a Dynojet Dyno using WinPep 7. With 335 hp at 15% drivetrain loss = 285 or near to what I dynod at. Most Machs dyno in the 280 range.
I'm not much on the 0-60 times since the racetrack doesn't have a device that measures that. Have you been to a track to see these cars run? How about yours? What does it run? You say a stock Mach "should" do 13.5@105 and you're right they can. But a better driver can turn the clocks down into the high 12 range with good prep, and often the 13 second range. For that matter, the same should go for the LS1.
You say that Mach 1's are great cars, but you have trouble believing what I say. I don't want to keep rambling on and make this thread boring, but Mach's are a contender in the 1/4 mile along with the LS1. But as far as all the 0-60 times, I'm not so sure, I don't read those mags...
Maybe someone here would like to make a challenge at the track just for proof?

Ford Autos in the stangs BLOW so you should win, if he was a 5 speed, he could be running near 13.2's easily and he could give you a good run!

BigBronco knows!!

MA1384.....man you need to get out more and see what some cars are running.i wont get into an argument on weather the cars are underrated or not but most mach dyno in the 280 range and the cobras dyno in the 370 range.

as for times my mach ran low 13's bone stock at a weight of 3590 at the time,what kind of power does it take to do that fromn your calculations? :confused: also with just drag radials bolted on my car went high 12's and i am not a good driver just a little better than average.Jester can vouch for my times.its been said a million times on hear that a race between a ls1 car and a mach is a drivers race.i have to agree with this statement for the most part.

also i have yet to loose to a stock ls1 car,will it happen?....maybe but i am still waiting.i have asked previous times before that if anyone in the houston atrea wants to race i am up for it.

Ok first off, where do u get this supposed "underrated" info? Think for one second, if the mach 1 really puts out 335 hp, then why would ford underrate it to 305? the 30 hp difference wouldnt make any difference in any insurance costs. Does this also mean that the new supercharched cobra is underrated too, or does ford just suck and making power by only getting 55 more hp from an eaton blower? This really just doesnt compute.

Im not bashing mach 1's, thier a great car, cheap, fast and great lookin. But toe to toe, the SS's or WS6's are capable of more. Where do u get ur info? None of this ur saying makes any sense. even 335 hp wont make 13.1 quarters in a 3400 lb car, not on the street, esspecially w/ the 245/45's that come stock on those. My 275 hp LT1 has trouble hookin up with 245/50's. A stock mach 1 5-spd on a good day should do a 13.5 @ about 104 tops, any more is pushin it. A 13.1 quater would call for under 5 sec. 0-60 runs, now dont even start tellin me that these will do 0-60 in the 4's, cause they dont. 5.1-2. Even that, a stock WS6 will do 5 flat all day long, and after 60 is where those LS1 cars really shine. Like i said before These are both great cars, and very close performance wise, but the f-body is capable of faster.

what is this then :)
stock mach1 vs stock 01 cobra (with 320 bhp and 315 lb-ft) :drive:

http://home.kc.rr.com/kchof/01%204v%20vs%2003%204v.jpg

mach 1: 331hp and 358lbs/ft at flywheel asuming 15% drivetrain loss
is just simple math man :)
why they were underrated??? i don't know and i don't care, all i know my car went 13.4 stock and high 12's with $1000 in mods. try to do that with your lt1 :devil:

and for the records a 03 cobra is putting at least 420hp at flywheel, since the average would be 360rwhp :cheers:

i find it ammusing that a guy who drives an lt1 (slightly underrated), and is posting on a forum for ls1s (significantly underrated), cannot understand why ford would underrate the mach 1 or the cobra engines.

plus, does the '99 cobra debacle ring a bell? ford learned their lesson from that one.

i find it ammusing that a guy who drives an lt1 (slightly underrated), and is posting on a forum for ls1s (significantly underrated), cannot understand why ford would underrate the mach 1 or the cobra engines.

plus, does the '99 cobra debacle ring a bell? ford learned their lesson from that one.
Some people are just born ignorant? Seems like he doesnt want to listen to anyone but the magazine publishers. Shoot, I need to drive my arse to houston, that track is eleventy billion times better than SAR :drive:

Since you have a '99, I destroyed one from a 30 mph dig by about 2 car lengths and embarrassed him from 2 digs we raced. It's a driver's race from a dig, but when you go from a roll, there's little room for error unless you miss a gear or something. I'm not saying my Mach is the baddest Mach around, but it's better up to about 110 mph or so compared to an '02 WS6 that's in the family. A stock Mach simply will not pull as hard as an LS1 at that speed.
Fortunately the 1/4 mile has passed by the time the WS6 could get ahead of me. My motor is stock, but I have a few goodies with me... :burn:

Well the trap speed in your sig would not have competed with my 99 from a roll or a dig. But like I said I had a cam at the time. BONE STOCK my 99 would still have pulled your mach from a roll as it trapped 108mph....though very close. ;)

Also Jester care to run a stock Ls6? ;)

Well the trap speed in your sig would not have competed with my 99 from a roll or a dig. But like I said I had a cam at the time. BONE STOCK my 99 would still have pulled your mach from a roll as it trapped 108mph....though very close. ;)

I've beaten several LS1's that have trapped as high as 111. ;)

Also Jester care to run a stock Ls6? ;)

Hey, I'm always up for a good race! :nod:

Hey, I'm always up for a good race! :nod:

Cool lets get together sometimes this weekend and do a few little runs if the weather permits. Send me a Pm. I havent raced any Fords yet. lol ;)

I wanna watch!!!!! :)

Wish I could go.