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Old 10-22-2013, 10:12 AM
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Default Cel+metal on metal rubbing sound=bad morning

Put in my new alradco radiator last night, took her out for a cruise, all is good.

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Cel comes on hear a horrid metal on metal rubbing sound. I still have oil pressure. I don't know a whole lot about these motors, haven't read the code yet, but to me it sounds like the crank is hitting the windage tray, but that's just my initial though. I'm gonna see what I can do after work today to figure it out. Any suggestions?
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Maybe your fan hitting the radiator?
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Something to do with something you touched during install. Fans, belt, pulley, etc. Changing the radiator did nothing internally to the motor unless you have the worst luck imaginable.
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I heard the sound with the motor running and the fans not on. Checked the pulleys and they all clear. Check the harmonic balancer, that's not it.

With the motor idling I can feel a vibration in time with the sound through the oil pan.

Is it possible the windage tray can be loose, or some how out of wack coming in contact with the crank?
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Could it be the water pump?
Old 10-22-2013, 11:13 AM
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I'm open and would love that possibility, but could that cause the cel?
Old 10-22-2013, 11:15 AM
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The sound varies with engine rpm. Didn't feel like it lost any power, though I wasn't really testing that when she broke.
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your only way to know is pull the code before you drive your self nuts. the windage tray isnt just gonna come loose...unless you removed it for some reason in the past and didnt torq it to spec. pull the code and we'll go from there
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P0341--Camshaft position sensor.

I'm gonna do some searching but if anyone knows where I can find it I'd appreciate the time saved.
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Well after a few minutes of looking, I'm gonna guess I managed to smack the sensor some how and broke part of it off in the block maybe. Sucks, I just dropped 1k on headers, and I was so close to doing a cam instead.... Sons of bitches.
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Easy fix Atleast. Doesn't account for the metal on metal sound though. For piece of mind pull those valve covers and check the springs
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Unless the sensor is physically broken and it's being tossed around?
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Um i just had the cam shaft position sensor code come up a few weeks ago. Changed the sensor and it wasn't it. It was the three bolts that hold the camshaft in. They backed out. Enough so that they were hitting the cover. Not much but enough. Maybe that gives you a direction to go. That was on a 2004v.
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Good to know. Kinda suckish I have to pull the whole front of the motor apart... Is there a shot in hell I can do this without pulling the radiator....again. I've already got the sensor on order, for $45 it's to cheap to not do while I'm in there.
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That's makes the most sense with the noise and CEL
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****...

Ok, got the timing cover off, cam sprocket was loose, timing dampener was wrecked. Tighten sprocket replace dampener cover plate back on, test fire... Hellacious squeak I can only guess it's from the cam sprocket area. Could it be from the chain rubbing on the dampener?
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I DO have oil pressure.
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Take any pics ?
LS2 I assume. Has anyone else been in there before ? Cam swap ?
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It is an ls2, it all looks stock and I did take pics. Anything specific your looking for? The cam position sensor was destroyed, and I replaced that, but still noise. I ran it with no water pump on it, no balancer nothing, just to make sure it sounded ok. And I feel like throwing up.
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You have accounted for all the sensor parts ? If you spin it by hand can you feel any resistance ? Mileage ?
Not looking for anything specific in pics.


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