New LS1 Owners - Newbie Tech - GTP vs WS6??

hello. new guy here. :newbie: been readin up on this site for a lil bit. awesome site! my current car (99 GrandAm GT coupe) is paid off in a lil over a year. well so far my choice on cars is 2000+ WS6, or 2000+ GrandPrix GTP coupe. i know the WS6 is faster(obviously), but i recently test drove one(GTP), and i love the interior! heads up display, excellent build quality(at least compared to my grand am lol). and it drove great and is pretty quick, with potential. but on the other hand, the WS6 is kinda a dream car for me. i would LOVE to own one. love the looks. and there's just something about a nice american v8 and its exhaust i love! never drove one though. but the main concern is insurance. its actually cheaper with the GTP. havent checked for WS6. im 22, will be 23 by time new car time comes around. how much insurance do u all pay that is in my age group??

In my case the insurance rates for my 2000 GTP and my 2000 SS are comparable, but that may be a function of my insurance company. If there's any way you can get the WS6 I would recommend that path.

WS6 all the way. More power, and easier to get more power. Plus I myself hate all FWD cars. Just my $.02
Another idea is, get a C5. When the C6's come out the C5 will drop their value. They have HUD (heads up display) and the insurance is cheaper for Vette's. ;)

BTW- Welcome to LS1TECH! :cheers:






Peace,
Craig.

Get the WS6. I pay through the nose for my baby, but its worth it.

hello. new guy here. :newbie: been readin up on this site for a lil bit. awesome site! my current car (99 GrandAm GT coupe) is paid off in a lil over a year. well so far my choice on cars is 2000+ WS6, or 2000+ GrandPrix GTP coupe. i know the WS6 is faster(obviously), but i recently test drove one(GTP), and i love the interior! heads up display, excellent build quality(at least compared to my grand am lol). and it drove great and is pretty quick, with potential. but on the other hand, the WS6 is kinda a dream car for me. i would LOVE to own one. love the looks. and there's just something about a nice american v8 and its exhaust i love! never drove one though. but the main concern is insurance. its actually cheaper with the GTP. havent checked for WS6. im 22, will be 23 by time new car time comes around. how much insurance do u all pay that is in my age group??

So you've never driven a WS6? Once you do, that GTP will be a distant, distant memory.

BTW I'm 22 and pay ~$900 every 6 mos. for insurance on my car.

I own both.

I like my T/A better but the GTP has it's uses. I cannot haul my family around in the T/A with anywhere near the convenience of my GTP.

The GTP can be made as quick as your average LS1 Firebird w/bolt ons (12 sec 1/4) but it's gonna cost money and reliability.

thanks everyone. yeah, i'd definitaly love to have a WS6. and CRAGER...insurance on a vette is actually cheaper than a WS6? wow. that be sweet if i could afford one. but anyways, thanks alot everyone. im lookin around for insurance quotes now to see actually how much more expensive it would be. later. :cheers:

The insurance on my 97 GTP was around $65 a month while the insurance on the 98 Formula I had before it was $99 a month.

FYI. I pay 420.00 p\6mths on my 99 WS6 (40k miles). I am 27 yrs old.

NO PIP
NO uninsured/underinsured motorist
NO Rental car reimbursment
NO Towing reimbursment
500.00 deductible
Insured as a pleasure vehicle.
Multiple car discount!
Homeowners ins. discount!

:cheers:

I'm 21 and I pay around 130 a month.

Do you want to drive the meanest looking machine on the streets, that roars intimidation, fear, and attitude? Or would you prefer to drive a family sedan that is a mid-high 14's car with limited mod potential? HUD or not, I think you know the answer to this one. Do the right thing.

Get the WS6. You said it was your dream machine. You'll regret it if you don't

The WS6 :thumb:

The only thing I like about going to work is the 'going'....

I own a 01 Z28 and a 97 Bonneville and my insurance is around $180 a month for both. When I bought the Z my insurance only went up $20 a month going from a Dodge Stratus. Most insurance companies will give you a discount for more than one car.

Get the WS6!

I have a 99 Z28 and an 04 Comp G GTP. I like both cars fordifferent reasons. The Z is a toy. the GTP is an every day car. The GTPis a great ride on long trips and for hauling people. The Z is fun to drive beyond the GTP.

I guess I'll answer your question with a question. What do YOU want to do with the car?

I know a guy with thousands of dollars in his GTP and even a rebuilt transmission (the stock one can't handle it) and his best et is 13.6.

LOL

GTP's are junk. You will spend more money on repairs than the difference in insurance. My friend has one he bought new in 2000 when I got my SS. He has replaced the tranny 2 times, brakes 4 times in 40K, a head gasket ($4,000 @ dealership)and other small crap.

i am suprised only one person said this....

dont take ANY of our advise on which car to by....(we are biased)
but DRIVE the ws6 before you make up your mind....

i would be dumb struck if after driving the ws6 you could even remember the name of the ....what was that other car again? ;)

GTP would be alot more enjoyable if
you could get a manual. What's your
priority. If #1 is performance/fun to drive
its a no brainer. But there are drawbacks.
We just live with them cause the pros greatly
outweigh the cons. If your worried about
number of people it can fit, MPG or things
like that you might be better off going the other
way. A test drive isn't going to settle it. You have
to consider that if this is going to be your daily
driver, how will you be using it.

GTP's are junk. You will spend more money on repairs than the difference in insurance. My friend has one he bought new in 2000 when I got my SS. He has replaced the tranny 2 times, brakes 4 times in 40K, a head gasket ($4,000 @ dealership)and other small crap.

Hmmm... $4000 for a head gasket, huh? What's that - about 50hrs worth of labor? :rolleyes:

I don't think the GTP is crap at all. IMO its a very decent family hauler and the 3.8L is a very reliable engine. Not really a good comparison to a WS6, though, since its really intended to serve a much different purpose.

I went from a '00 GTP Daytona Pace car last year to my now, '00 Trans Am. I loved the interior of the GP, exterior wasn't all that bad either. I had that thing running w/ stock GT mustangs (on a cool day..LMAO). Anyways, I wanted a manual V8 RWD car... naturally I went TA ;) whichever you have fun in, I like both of them... had fun in both -->I just had the itch for the manual.

I know a guy with thousands of dollars in his GTP and even a rebuilt transmission (the stock one can't handle it) and his best et is 13.6.

LOL


Then he's either: A)An idiot or B) At a very shitty track




GTP's are junk. You will spend more money on repairs than the difference in insurance. My friend has one he bought new in 2000 when I got my SS. He has replaced the tranny 2 times, brakes 4 times in 40K, a head gasket ($4,000 @ dealership)and other small crap.

I have yet to spend one cent on repair of anything that was not a wear item on my now 4 year old 2000 GTP. The car has had a few problems. Nothing major.

I have a 3.4in pulley and some other bullshit and I beat the hell out of that car. No problems...

I just sold my 97gtp couple a couple of months ago when I got the TA. I do miss the room sometimes, but the TA is more enjoyable. Only thing I replaced on the GTP was an alternator and water pump. I had a few mods, and ran consistent very low 13's. I could have done 12's but I never invested in slicks so my 60 ft was never better than a 2.0. Matter of fact, the last run I made in it before the demod process, i took out a 02 SS, and he even got a slight jump on me. My 13.1 to his 13.3. I pulled about a car and a half until the 1/8th, wear we stuck like glue.

I drive my car a couple miles to work and sometime around town, so I don't miss the comfort too much. I had 88k on it, and was modded since 30k. I was getting a little worried about the tranny. So I decided it would be better to spend a little money and get a TA rather than since 2k into a good tranny. I got a good deal on my TA, so that was that.

DEE

I have had a 98 GTP with 3" pully SLP cold air box, ! U pipe and random tech cat.stage 2 TB and a 160 stat. best was a 13.7 at 101. With less than 4K on it my stock 02 SS ran a 13.4 @107.89 at Beech Bend Ky, in 97 deg. heat :) My GTP had 60K when I sold it and it never needed any type of repair, but I did maintain it well. The SS isnt quite as civil but a whole lot more brutal :D And so far has been every bit as reliable :)

DEE,
You ran 13.1 with a few mods in a GTP?
What was one of them an LS6.

GTP's are junk. You will spend more money on repairs than the difference in insurance. My friend has one he bought new in 2000 when I got my SS. He has replaced the tranny 2 times, brakes 4 times in 40K, a head gasket ($4,000 @ dealership)and other small crap.

:bs: :stupid:


do your homework. the 3.8 ltr is one (if not the best) V6 ever made.
Either your friend don't know how to drive or he just got a lemon. For a few hundred bucks you can easily add another 20 HP to that 240 HP motor.
The GTP is perfect for the everyday driver, very dependable and very comfortable.
IMO: if you drive the LS1 everyday as your everyday driver, you don't or won't "appreciate it" like you would if you drove it once or twice a week.
:usa:

The ignorance that flies around .. :eyes:

Please educate yourself before speaking...

http://www.clubgp.com/cgi-asp/qtrmile.asp

I only had two mods on my GTP, a 3.4" blower pulley and a 9" K&N cone filter, and it ran a best ET of 13.78 at 100mph! I spent less than $250 for those two mods.

GTO - great interior with WS6 power - if a little slower speeds due to the weight. Plus the insurance rates are about $40 less a month for a brand new car than if I'd have bought a 2 year old TA.
Dan

I've got both an '01 GTP (4 door) and an '02 WS6. Once you drive the WS6 you won't want the GTP. Although, I do love driving the GTP at times because of the heads up display and 4-doors. It's been a champ so far too on reliability, but so has the WS6.

I will be suprised if insurance will make much difference. With the "supercharger" tag on the GTP the insurance is really not that much cheaper for me! The WS6 is MMMORE than worth it.

DEE,
You ran 13.1 with a few mods in a GTP?
What was one of them an LS6.

Rockers
home ported supercharger, heads(stock valves), intake
3.0" sc pulley(making about 13psi)
DHP pcm
MAFT+(running 21* of timing)
LS1 TB
exhaust, no cat.
headers
~95 octane.
stock tranny, with crappy 2.93 gears
stock suspension
race weight of 3650
I trapped at 105mph. :eek2:

I say a few because I didnt' have the big power mods like an intercooler, cam, '04 SC conversion, and my heads were not as good as the aftermarket ported ones. You have to remember the 3.8L can be a torque monster. I was probably making about 310-320HP, but my torque was likely in the 380 range. I could have went alot faster, but I got out before I had to pay for a rebuild. And I really wanted a TA. :burn:

DEE

thanks for the info guys. i know reliability isnt a problem in the GTP, at least keeping it close to stock and minor mods. i never drivin or owned a WS6 but i always here the drivetrain in them is pretty much solid too. only complaints i hear about the WS6 is the interior, which i could care less about. i would need it for a car to go to school in and work. and i want the speed and power too. the insurance on the GTP is about the same as my GrandAmGT coupe. i visited a dealership the other day and checked out a 02 Trans Am, non-WS6. silver with only about 28k miles. the guy wanted 17,500 for it. i knew the guy. he said he was asking 22k for it. so is that really a good price or what?? it had leather and ttops, but no WS6 like i'd want though. auto too(which i want). what do u guys think? i still have a lil over a year, but if its a good deal, i might pick it up. :)

EDIT: oh yeah, still no test drive. :bang: was pressed for time

The ignorance that flies around .. :eyes:

Please educate yourself before speaking...

http://www.clubgp.com/cgi-asp/qtrmile.asp

Wow that's even sadder than I thought.

So you're telling me there are only about 10 GTP's in the country that can run with my near stock camaro?

That's good news!

Seeing this list should make up your mind for you :chug:

The ignorance that flies around .. :eyes:

Please educate yourself before speaking...

http://www.clubgp.com/cgi-asp/qtrmile.asp


ditto

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/etdb.php

:jest:

Wow that's even sadder than I thought.

So you're telling me there are only about 10 GTP's in the country that can run with my near stock camaro?

That's good news!

Seeing this list should make up your mind for you :chug:

really... your *near stock camaro* runs 11s/low 12s ?? The 1/4 mile link from ClubGP is a very good indication of the potential the L67 has...

Whats your best ET ? Timeslips ?

Moreover, the mere fact that a 4 door-fwd-v6-auto-family sedan can dust a good majority of stock LS1 for less than $1000 in mods, run smooth/quiet, is drive-able in heavy snow, and easily accomodates 5 people, says more than enough for GTPs ;)..

Just because the GTP next to you isn't roaring and growling, doesn't mean you won't be playing catch-up down the track .. :burn:

BTW, sorry to high jack the thread :devil: but there are some LS1 owners who think they own the streets...

No one owns the street. There is always someone faster. But dollar for dollar an LS1 will spank a GTP everyday. The GTP is a great car but you cannot compare the two fairly on dragstrip results.

ummmm.. perhaps you missed my reply....
your still just peewees...

our list you have to go to the end of page 2 before you even get out of the 10's...
and before you get out of the 11's you could read till you go blind...lol.....

you have less then 1/2 a page in the 11's and faster...
i will fell just fine pullin up next to a gtp ;)

No one owns the street. There is always someone faster. But dollar for dollar an LS1 will spank a GTP everyday. The GTP is a great car but you cannot compare the two fairly on dragstrip results.

Agreed! .. I'm not saying GTPs are superior to LS1s in performance.. They aren't even in the same class...

I was simply highlighting the fact that GTPs aren't slugs or *junk*.. They respond very nicely to mods [like most FI cars], and the fact that they pose a significant threat to stock or lightly modded LS1s, is commendable for a car that wasn't designed for this purpose! [gotta be the longest sentence :zzz: ]

Finally, if I was anti-LS1, I wouldn't be looking to buy one ;)

If I were to do it all over again, I'd buy the LS1 to begin with... but that wouldn't negate the advantages, potential, and ever growing aftermarket of GTP :cheers:

ummmm.. perhaps you missed my reply....


perhaps.. no I'm sure you missed the whole point of my argument...

I'm just wondering at what point this became a conversation about which car runs a faster 1/4 mile?

If you're going to drive the car everyday and you're in a climate that involves rough weather, pick the GTP. But if you're in a warmer area that sees snow very rarely then I'd go for the LS1.

I chose the GTP because I live in Ohio, you don't see many GTPs going sub 13.0 so having one is that much more enjoyable, there's a great community where you know all the people, and you don't have to know there's 700 other modded cars just like yours in the same city.

Why not combine the two and get a M6 GTO? I've had mine for nearly a month now and is always enjoyable. Anybody who has something bad to say about the car has A. never even seen it in person or the spec sheet for it or B. Hasn't driven it!

Some people have even said "nice car, its FWD right?"

I don't know jack about modding GTPs
but I can't see how < grand is going to
make you faster than an LS1.
What are you doing boosting it up to 20lbs.
Yet you claim driveability and reliability.
Seems to me that if this were the case,
we'd be seeing alot more of them and a bigger
aftermarket.
Then again LS1 Fbods only need slicks to hit 12's

Not flaming, inform me

i live near new orleans. almost 0 sea level but rains alot. and it can get pretty cold in the winter, but never any snow. but thanks for all the info guys! as of now, im kinda leaning toward the WS6, cause just somethin about a v8!

Wow that's even sadder than I thought.

So you're telling me there are only about 10 GTP's in the country that can run with my near stock camaro?

That's good news!

Seeing this list should make up your mind for you :chug:

Since when do stock camaros run 10's and 11's , the funniest thing of all is you havent even posted any of your times, are you afraid that a V6 can beat you???

If you're going to drive the car everyday and you're in a climate that involves rough weather, pick the GTP. But if you're in a warmer area that sees snow very rarely then I'd go for the LS1.

I chose the GTP because I live in Ohio, you don't see many GTPs going sub 13.0 so having one is that much more enjoyable, there's a great community where you know all the people, and you don't have to know there's 700 other modded cars just like yours in the same city.
I drive my cars year round in WI, 20-40 below in the winters at times, plenty snow too. Never owned a truck, but my 94vette was one of the best "winter vehicles" I've driven. As good as my old saab 900s. With ASR, corvettes and fbodies are fine in nasty weather WITH ASr and good tires. Hell, the vette had 285 width Goodyear GSC's for most of the winters, but when I went to 335 width pilots MXX3's, I lost a bit of traction in the heavier snows. No ASR, heavy snow and 300+horsepower RWD makes for permanent white knuckles.

I own both cars.. but If i had a choice of only 1 I would choose the WS6 ... when I drive my GTP it's fine... but it just feels like a commuter... yea it's more comfy than my TA and has more luxury type items... but really look forward to driving my TA every week ...



GimpsGTP if you don't have anything useful to contribute to this post please do not post... if you want to talk trash we have a section for that and this is not that section...

GimpsGTP if you don't have anything useful to contribute to this post please do not post... if you want to talk trash we have a section for that and this is not that section...

:werd:

one of the reasons i like my fbody is the sound, got any sound clipz of that gtp? just curious. My mom-in-law just bought a new one, nice interior. Didn't get to drive it.i wonder if you can put that steering wheel or anything less than the giant fbody one in our cars lol. never seen such a huge airbag steering wheel in my life.

GTPs sound ok, not aggressive by any means stock. I've heard some nice ones w/ borla catback... nice stuff. I scared a friend in a GT mustang once...she was behind me and I revved it quickly. She said it 'growled' :lol:

23 here, What we do for our cars!!!!! :D

Live your dream. Soon you might get married, have kids, etc., etc., etc.....

You only live once, and in the afterlife there is no currency... no debt!:D

WS6 Deffinatly!!!!!

I used to drive F bodys for my job all the time. Man I'll tell u first hand when it comes to the WS6 I could dream of a car I would reather own.

lol Thats could not by the way

I used to own a 12 sec 97 GTP. I grew tired of the lack of a manual and the grunt of a V8. The GTP was a nice car in and out. But you see a hell of alot of GP's now on the road. They all look the same. I would never go back to a FWD car again.

This is something to keep in mind before you buy. A $500-1500 beater will get you through any bad weather. Driving a junker makes me appreciate my nice cars. :pimp:

Live your dream. Soon you might get married, have kids, etc., etc., etc.....

You only live once, and in the afterlife there is no currency... no debt!:D

why in hell would I let something like family get in the way of my car?!? :eek2: :jest: Compromize... girl doesn't like car, girl can get out at any time and walk :drive: