Drag Racing Tech - Is it possible to run a 2.0 60....

with the 255/50/16 stock tires. And btw, any guesses to what I would run, w/a 2.0 short time. 13-6@104 2.3-60'

Thanks

Alan

[ November 14, 2001: Message edited by: SlowZ28 ]</p>

i have run 2.0 60's on 245-16 gscs

it is possible <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">

Don't know about those tires, but I've got a best of 1.95 on 275 Firehawks totally stock.

Yup, very possible. Of course it depends on track prep too.

I believe Big Mike (on LS1, don't know if he has gotten here yet) has gotten a 1.7 60' on the stock F1's <img src="images/icons/shocked.gif" border="0">

[quote]Originally posted by SlowZ28:
<strong>with the 255/50/16 stock tires. And btw, any guesses to what I would run, w/a 2.0 short time. 13-6@104 2.3-60'

Thanks

Alan

[ November 14, 2001: Message edited by: SlowZ28 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'll take a guess. About 13.15?

A4 or M6? i run 2.0 60's with goodyear 245/50's

Ryan

I got a best of 1.90 on my GSCs when I only had a few mods. I made a few runs on my Yokohamas Saturday and ETown and it was a disaster. I couldn't even get close to the 12s, I need to practice running this thing on street tires again!

Even on Nitto's I can't get lower than a 2.1 60'. I heat them up pretty well, and when I launch, I don't feel much spin... wheel hop if anything at all. So I am not completely sure what I'm doing here, I guess I am lacking in finesse and judgement as far as slipping the clutch out, waiting for the tires to hook and then getting on it. I just drop the clutch and hope I hook.

I think it's possible. I have Dunlaps with 30K miles on them and have gotten high 1.8 60'. If I had to guess, I would say 13.1x's to 13.2x's.

Brian

Look at my sig...remember that 2.1 is on all season rsa's!

[ November 14, 2001: Message edited by: Jacobi ]</p>

I think it can be done on stock tires with stock gearing...

[quote]Originally posted by WS6 TransAm Girl:
<strong>I believe Big Mike (on LS1, don't know if he has gotten here yet) has gotten a 1.7 60' on the stock F1's <img src="images/icons/shocked.gif" border="0"> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Is this true?? He cut a 1.7 on F1's with a 6sp car, now that is amazing <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0"> . What track was this at??

1.7.....thats why i posted that topic IVE ALWAYS WONDERED...i know some awesome drivers with cars unmoded to very modded and no one has ever run that kind of 60ft at any of the tracks with a street tire.....sorry...dont buy it, not a flame, i just dont buy it.... <img src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Is my 2.1 not exceptable? Remember all season's!

Well Misty, you can buy it or you don't... doesn't matter. I'm not sure at which track it was, he did say but I don't remember now. He has no reason to lie <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0"> I believe his car runs 11's... but regardless of what it runs, a 1.7 60' on street tires is AMAZING.

[quote]Originally posted by WS6 TransAm Girl:
<strong>Well Misty, you can buy it or you don't... doesn't matter. I'm not sure at which track it was, he did say but I don't remember now. He has no reason to lie <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0"> I believe his car runs 11's... but regardless of what it runs, a 1.7 60' on street tires is AMAZING.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No kidding, alot of guys that know how to transfer the weight to launch can do a 60 like that....my b/f can do 1.89 shorts on Nittos and stock 3.42's, its all in the launch. I got alot of 11's cars in my club....but they have DR's on or M/T ET's on.

Me however...I suck cannot get better then a 2.2 on F1's, but they came off today for Nitto DR's and I will be at the track next weds...I hope I can get a 2.0 and get a mid 13 run in atleast a 105-106 trap <img src="images/icons/grin.gif" border="0">

Update to that later! <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">

Talk with other folk in the lanes. Ask what they are running.

Don't compare your 60' or ET's or MPH to national Internet numbers. Compare it to people at YOUR track the same day. Some tracks are AWFUL. Ours has grass growing in the lanes, and you can EASILY spin stock F1's past the 1/8mi marker. 2.3's are pretty good on stock rubber.

I'm positive a stock LS1 could cut a 1.9 60' on stock tires under the right conditions. But few of us get the chance to find out. As soon as we realize that traction is a big issue, we get more rubber. It's cheaper than buying a new dragstrip.

I heat ET streets up at 17psi and launch at 3000 rpm and spin all through first gear to a 1.9 60'. Some of it is my fault, but DAMN, those are some sticky meats. You'd think 3000 rpm would bog, but it won't.

[quote]Originally posted by WS6 TransAm Girl:
<strong>Well Misty, you can buy it or you don't... doesn't matter. I'm not sure at which track it was, he did say but I don't remember now. He has no reason to lie <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0"> I believe his car runs 11's... but regardless of what it runs, a 1.7 60' on street tires is AMAZING.</strong><hr></blockquote>

please dont call me MISTY, i know you woulndt like me calling you transamguy....
<img src="images/icons/tongue.gif" border="0"> thank you....

I ran a best 60ft on my stock GSCs with stock gearing of 2.001 in my 98 Formula. That was when the car was running 13.0s.

McRat you are right, tracks do vary, alot of us had our best nights up in Orlando at the Speedworld vs. our home town Moroso<---or Moro-slo!!

<img src="images/icons/grin.gif" border="0">

But we are talking M6 here, atleast I am....

I got 2.05-2.07 out of mine (only mod was K & N) with 3.23 gearing on 245/16 gsc's at about 27 psi, car ran 13.45 at 103.50 best in that configuration. I have gotten 1.82 on 275/60/15 radials (not drag radials either) on my nova, so that says a lot for possibly getting killer 60s on radials, just need a good suspension.
Racer, no kidding, moroso with the humidity there can make a car that hooks great at other tracks spin like crazy.

Derek

Well, at least I know it is possible to run that kind of 60'. It must be practice, practice, practice.

Alan

Great information everyone. Generally the colder it is outside the more difficulty everyone will have hooking up with Nittos. That is why it is very important to do a 'nice' burnout on them. Erin, you may have seen what happened to me last Saturday. I did my burnout on my ET Streets and got up to the line. The guy next to me obviously was new to racing because he staged about 10 feet in front of the beams. The track officials came over to him and finally he realized his mistake. By the time the kid backed up and realized what he was supposed to do, I would say 3-4 minues went by. I was pissed! My ET Streets were now cold and I knew I would not hook. The lights turned and I nailed it, the ass end stepped out to the right and I had to get out of it for a second. The result was a 1.76 60 ft. I was very pissed because the car felt very strong on that run, except for the take-off. Surely it would have been another 12.1X run for me had I gotten my usual 1.72 60 ft. If that happens again you can bet I will back up and do another burnout, I paid my money and shouldn't have been penalized because a new-jack chose to not ask questions before he raced....Anyways back to my point, doing a nice burnout is 'very' important, even on ET Streets unless you have a lot of suspension work and a weak car....

As far as 60ft times, Mccrat is totally correct, comparing 60 ft times with people 1000 miles away is tough. ETown doesn't prep very well, surely not as good as Atco. A 2.10 60 ft at ETown could probably be a 1.95 at Atco.

MINTY, Minty, with an N... sorry about that. There is a guy with the handle Misty6 on LS1, I guess I am used to seeing that. Sorry- simple typo!!
Kenny- I didn't see that run, but I know what you mean. The guy next to me on one run didn't pull up far enough to trip the stage light, so I sat there for about a minute or so until someone told him to move up. Then he went too far, had to move back, had to move up again, back again... wonderful. All I could think about were my tires cooling down LOL The last time I was there on stock tires, the rear end of my car kicked out so bad, it scared the you know what out of me. That's when I decided I would do a real burnout LOL... anything to keep that from happening again.
But regardless, 1.7x 60's are impressive, especially having problems and still running a 1.7 60'.
It's one thing to be new at the track, but people should ask questions and find out what is the proper protocol before they decide to race. I remember seeing the one guy race off the end of the track because he didn't know when to stop!!! He ended up hitting the gravel at 110mph in a 300zx I believe. I guess he just missed those huge traps, and the what...3, 4 turnoffs? oops!

I've managed to cut a 1.83 on stock tires at 28 psi. That's with an a4, yank 3000 converter, and 2.73 gears. I'd post the timeslip but my kitten decided to use them all as a bathroom before I could scan any of them.

[ November 15, 2001: Message edited by: Z00 ]</p>

I managed a few mid 1.9s on the 255 GSCs before switching to 275 F1s which have gotten me mid 1.8s several times on the stock converter.

Yes it is possible, I cut consistant 1.9s with a manual trans SS (LT1 car) and did that at the ripe old age of 17 <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">

Well I have only made 5 runs with my new 01 Formula, with the 245/50-16 GSC's, and every run is in the 2.0X 60ft's. 2.03(best)-2.08(worst), but this is at an excellent track. On the street they just spin anywhere in 1st gear(A4), from a stop or a roll.

Good Luck. <img src="images/icons/tongue.gif" border="0">

I went 1.88 on stock goodyears and converter.

I ran a 2.03 60' on kuhmo tires. I ran 5 passes so far and all of them were 2.0X's My best run is in my sig.

I've managed a couple of 1.9's on the stock F1's with about 18 PSI in them. They really suck for track tires... <img src="images/icons/frown.gif" border="0">

I got a 1.95 in my old 99 T/A M6 on stock GSC's and stock gear (3660 lb race weight). It did, however, have a few minor suspension mods (LCA and Panhards, but also lowering springs). I didn't have a lot of time to experiment before I sold the car, but it seemed the best launches were when I launched just off-idle, and let that wonderful low-mid range power pull me out through first gear.

In other words...I'd bring the motor to about 1500 rpm, dead-drop the clutch and nail the gas. Just a little chirp and off I'd go.

As for Nitto's...if done correctly, they can REALLY work. Not an F-body, but I have a friend that has gone mid 1.7's - consistently - on 17" Nitto's, with a 99 Cobra...had the IRS, no less. He runs 15-17 psi, and does a really good burnout - much like a slick.

The comparison likely isn't very good though, as the T45 has a 3.37 1st gear, and when combined with his 4.30's, give him quite an advantage on launch (even with a 3525 lb race weight).

Anyways, I hope some of this is useful.

My best in my '99 was a 2.07. Bone stock with 17" OE wheels and tires and a 6spd. This was at a mediocre track. I've seen automatics with 1.87's on GS-C's at Norwalk - usually a better prepped track.

[quote]Originally posted by Jacobi:
<strong>Look at my sig...remember that 2.1 is on all season rsa's!
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Here this should make everyone feel better:

My best 60ft 2.7 on GSC's

ran many a 1.90 60ft on stock tire on the way to a 12sec pass. got one or two high 1.8s also